July 30: Keeping up appearances

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President Barack Obama was there to eulogize the man who championed good trouble an inside job after spending months barred from visiting her dementia stricken husband. Husband of Florida with finds a way in by picking up a job as a part-time dishwasher in his nursing home diminishing returns today. Ontario, rolled out its plan for getting kids back to school this fall. But the head of the province's elementary teachers. Union tells us. There's a lot more to do before class is in session. Nice to see you. It's been awale. Kovic has made life underwater quieter than it's been in a long time. We reach a wildlife biologist in Alaska, the Hump. Are Thrilled and from our archives, give fleece a chance a Scottish woman has sellers remorse after letting go of her lamb norman and after a seven hour journey she discovers Norman misses her to as it happens the Thursday edition radio that defies an order to abandon sheep. If Justin Trudeau thinks his appearance at committee today will satisfy his critics. He should probably think again, the prime minister spent an hour and a half in the hot seat at a finance committee meeting a rare thing for a sitting pm. He told the committee that quote time was of the essence when we charity was chosen to administer nine, hundred, million dollars, student volunteer program. He said he was well aware of the possible negative perceptions given his family connections to the charity and regrets not recusing himself from cabinet discussions. Peer poly of didn't buy it. Here's the conservative M. P questioning the prime minister, Prime Minister you twice or found guilty of breaking the ethics to act. After those two convictions if you decide to read. The act. You got fourteen seconds. Prime Minister. Yes, I have read the number of times. Are you wear a section twenty one? A. Yes. Since I've read the AD. I'm aware of what does it say? I. Can pull it up for you, but if you haven't in front of you. Says Public Office holder of which you are one shell recuse himself or herself from any discussion decision debate more vote in any matter in which. Respective, which here, she would be a conflict of interest. Now, what you've admitted today is not just that you were in a conflict of interest. That you consciously recognized in your may cabinet meeting that's such. A conflict might exist. that. It didn't just slide by your ask that you were consciously aware that there was a an inappropriate link to your family that would put you in a conflict. Why did you at that moment? Not Call the ethics commissioner and recuse yourself my concern around with choosing myself was the question around perceptions because I knew wealth this candidates summer students, grant or sixteen. To. Directly benefit a my mother or my brother, how much money total have your brother mother and spouse received from this organization? How much that information has been publicly shared, but I will highland. As much has has the dollar figure throughout her life, the dollar figure, primate Harris ways, and his up. How much of the work that she's not an I'm proud of how much I'm looking for a dollar figure. We can get that number for you if you like it's an out in the media. Media, you don't know I don't have it in front of me. How. Much your family has received from this organization which you tried to give a half billion dollars. Really. I answer. Mr. I'm waiting. You haven't done an answer so far. Let's make this the first one. That was conservative or quality of grilling the prime minister. This afternoon David Hurley knows what it's like to work for a leader in a tight spot. He was an adviser to former prime minister, Paul Martin, and is now a political consultant we reached Mr, Hurley in Toronto. David Hurley. How did Justin? Trudeau hold up against this grilling today by the Finance Committee? I thought he held up pretty well actually to be honest. I think he emerged from this largely unscathed. I think that he had a terrific demeanor throughout was largely more normal and more likable than the people that were interrogating him. But more fundamentally, I don't think anything emerged in this testimony that advances the story from the opposition perspective. Mr Trudeau outlined a slightly new scenario around which he himself had been aware of disappointed that we was going to be doing the program and had pushed back against the bureaucracy on that too. Even further buttress. The argument that he had nothing to do with the wording, this contract we and that's the central point of the allegation. Is that the government itself conceived of this program for we and directed to we've for we've BENEFA-. And I don't think anything came out and Mr feudals testimony that advances that argument at all. But but David if he admitted as he did that he suspected there would be extra scrutiny because of his and his family's connections to we, and he pushed this back to the public service and said, really scrutinize this. We've got to be extra careful here if he knew that much. Why then didn't he recuse himself when it did come to cabinet? Yeah while. I don't think he answered that question and that's a that's A. that's a judgment question. It doesn't. You mean I hate to get technical about this, but recusals doesn't matter if you didn't conceive of direct the program. Now, there is the whole issue of conflict and perceived conflicts with him, and he makes the argument which is perhaps a little thin that because none of his family stood to benefit from this particular program that there was no conflict, the commissioner may have a different view of that. But I don't think it looks any worse today than it did yesterday. But does that get to the one big question surrounding this David? You mentioned judgment. You know what was the prime minister thinking? This is his third ethical lapse in five years. Why does he have trouble figuring this out? Well I I would only be speculating Susan. if I was to speculate, I, would speculate on two things that. he. Thinks of himself as somebody that is does good life. He thinks of himself very virtuously. He doesn't have the Prep self-awareness that is required to see how other people see you and other people see your relationships swipe don't don't think he sees the things. He's doing the way outsiders she them is that another way of saying David that he doesn't think the rules apply to him. No, it isn't be as what I was joined to say, Susan's that that's not uncommon to people. It's not uncommon even in in a normal people to not be that self aware about yourself. But you know in politics you get, you can get removed from things and you can develop some blind spots. Mr trill wouldn't be the first or only person I've seen with this and that comes to the second point. which is in order to not get in trouble, you need to have a situation in which people feel able and empowered to challenge you. Without fear of retribution and so you know it staff are the people who save politicians from themselves. They're the ones who who point these things out to them and fight with them. And convinced them. Either that it is a conflict or tell them, you can't do it. Even if you don't understand that it's a conflict and I don't know that they've got that culture inside that government and I think the combination of his own sense of himself and that lack of a challenge function leads to these kinds of things. David. What do you think the political calculation was behind his decision to volunteer to appear? I think that they correctly assess that. The issue was not going well for them politically. So I, presume that they concluded that he needed to address that and that this was the right forum in which to do that, and I also suspected that they thought when he was jammed up against Mr Paulie, oven, Mr Cooper, and Mr Barrot that he wouldn't do badly in that comparison and those exchanges and I think they were right. Okay. So we now know that on top of the speaking fees. The Prime Minister's mother and brother received today were also reimbursed for expenses in Margaret Tudor Case I. Think it was one, hundred, sixty, seven, thousand dollars in expenses. These her large sums to the average. Canadian. Do you think Justin Trudeau Convinced Canadians that he's not out of touch. No. I don't I think that's probably one of the one of the great. Problems for the government that comes out of this, is that no matter what the ultimate? Resolution of the facts tuition is even if it is completely in the government's favor, it is leaving an impression and it's leaving an impression that existed on all ready. That the government people at the center of at are either wealthy or well off, and they associate with people who are wealthier well off, and that is why just because issues starts to diminish in terms of its headline capacity. That doesn't mean you've gotten away with it. The next election is not going to be about this thing. The next election is going to be about who has a plan to create jobs and in the economic devastation that will follow the Kelvin virus. That's what the election's going to be about. But that doesn't mean that issues like this. Don't have an impact on your credibility. So I think the government is probably going to escape from this issue without further damage, but that doesn't mean damn. It hasn't been done from the time you get elected. You start putting bricks in a wall that will ultimately defeat you, and this is at least a couple of heavy bricks on that wall. David. Hurley. Thank you for your time. Susan it was my pleasure to be here. Thank you for asking. By. By. David Hurley. Is a political consultant and principal partner at the Gandalf Group and was top advisor to former prime. Minister Paul Martin. He's in Toronto. Following Prime Minister Trudeau's appearance today, his chief of Staff Katie. Telford us from MP's for two hours. Here's an exchange she had with conservative MP Michael Barrett, the prime minister testified today that the option given the cabinet was we or nothing why did the cabinet except this supposed binary choice? Why not ask for auctions you know? Is this a government run by the public service run by cabinet because the accountability rests with the the head of government? It rests with the cabinet. So I. I'm getting a pretty frustrated hearing. You know how much respect that the members of cabinet half for the public service while throwing them under the boss instead of taking accountability for their decision. So I wanna just address two things. You said there one is not trying to No one is during anyone under the bus here. I'm explaining and I'm happy to explain what happened and. And we relied on the public service in the recommendations and their recommendation was to precede the question you're asking around. You know you being frustrated. It was a binary choice that was exactly the kind of question that the prime minister and I were asking on May eighth, which caused it to be pulled from the cabinet agenda that morning so that we could confirm that that was truly the case. That was the prime minister's chief of Staff Katie Telford, responding to a question from Tory m p Michael Barrett today at a finance committee meeting. When September rolls around students in Ontario and Manitoba will be heading back to class just like their peers across the country. Today both provinces announced plans for elementary students to return to class five days a week. Some high school students in both jurisdictions will return on a part time basis relying also on online learning. In Ontario, however, the provinces plan includes masks for kids in grade four, and above along with more than three, hundred, million dollars in funding for additional staff and safety precautions, both of which falls short of what was being asked by teachers, unions, and local boards. Sam Hammond is the president of the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario. We reached him in Toronto. Mr Hammond today, the Ontario government rolled out its plans for September. Is this the plan parents and kids needed to hear absolutely not for months, the premier and the Minister of Education promised people in this province. That they would expire no expense to ensure the safety of people including kids in this province and today they broke that and a very good example. That is the fact that they have chosen not to decrease class sizes from K. kindergarten through grade eight with almost every stakeholder parent group and sick kids. In fact recommended. That's what should happen. What are you hearing from teachers about how they are feeling about this plan and heading back to the classroom? Well for months are members have been anxious, extremely concerned about What reopening of schools would look like someone just sent an email saying that based on this plan restaurants, grocery stores in gyms in this province, how more safety protocols in place. Then our costumes will in September and they're concerned about that. Still, what are your biggest concerns right now, about safety issues around safety issues first and foremost is the minister saying that class sizes will remain the same? We almost everyone else advocated for reduced class sizes, fifteen or lower induction happen because it's not happening It will be almost impossible for our members and educators to implement social distancing classrooms that are already jam packed in terms of if you look at a kindergarten class with twenty, nine, four and five year old teacher, a DC he, I'm not sure how they're going to implement even a one meter social distancing protocol that we completely disagree with him at be two meters and you can't do that effectively unless you have smaller class sizes. On the issue of what you described as an impossible scenario of maintaining social distance given the numbers. Does the fact that the provinces requiring the majority of students to wear masks, the masks are mandated. That that is going to provide enough safety. No, we don't think. So we think we should be. Taking a much more cautious approach to this. They're away too many uncertainties Even the authors of the sick kids document that came out yesterday over a third said that masks for students in kindergarten through grade three If you could not maintain two meters of social distancing needed in should be used and that's our position as well. Certainly, it will reduce the risk throughout the school, but we need to look at classrooms individually as well. Now the provinces hiring more public health nurses and providing personal protective equipment for teachers and staff will that mitigate some of your safety concerns. Well, frankly were pleased that the minister has committed to face coverings fuller a all staff in every school board across the province. That's a step. In the right direction, those five hundred nurses will be spread over thirty four health units in this province, and we really WANNA see how closely they'll be interacting with schools in this province, and we think the number of five hundred is too few frankly now, you represent teachers in Ontario, but you were recently named president of the Canadian. Teachers Federation What Are you hearing from teachers across the country about their concerns absolutely same concerns are consistent a across the country they're anxious, they're concerned. About their health and safety and that of their students across this country that Wanna be in costumes, but they wanted to be as safe. As possible and the plane here in a terro, really to step in the right direction. But it doesn't do a lot to reassure our members about their health and safety as we move forward. What is your sense of how? Well the parents are feeling about these issues? I can tell you here in Ontario parent groups across this province have been calling for one. They've said, yes, we want kids in school five days a week, but we want reduced class sizes every stakeholder in the province to set that along with them. And what I'm hearing from parents, and for example, one emailed me today and said that he and others absolutely agree with students who are four or five up to grade three wearing a mask. We're GONNA have to monitor that and help them with that, but that should be happening. So I think for the vast majority of parents, this plans not not enough in terms of when they consider the safety and wellbeing of their children. Do you think this is a done deal or can you negotiate and get better precautions? I hope what will happen is I know that numerous stakeholders in this province are announcing green much the same thing that I am and it is incumbent upon this minister premier to call those stakeholders together to have in-depth discussions and allow us to provide input on how this plan can be made better. But the first step in that is just governmen has to realize. That the three, hundred, million dollars that they've put into the plan is not sufficient. Mr Henman. Thank you for your time. All my pleasure. Thank you. Bye. Bye Bye. Sam Hammond is the president of the Elementary Teachers, Federation of Ontario we reached him in Toronto. When Melanie McLean arrived at her destination. After a long journey, she had another challenge actually finding Norman in a group of about seven hundred of his peers. But she found him in two shakes of his own tail. MS McLean raises and sells lambs for a living in Scotland. She's not sentimental about it, which is why she was so surprised to find herself feeling serious pangs of regret about selling one in particular in September of Twenty Nineteen, Norman and having realized, she'd made a mistake. She then had to find out what farm he'd ended up at Dr Hours and hours to that farm, and then somehow pick that single baby sheep out of the flock. But in the end, it seemed like Norman, had been waiting for her. Carol spoke with Melanie McLean in October of last year. Here's that interview again from our archives. Melania what made you so attached to him and you raised a lot of lamb. So what was it about Norman come up finger on it to be honest. But he's very affectionate nobody as they get older, they become a bit more independent. You distance yourself from them, but I don't know what it was was norman. He just he actually enjoyed cuddled just wasn't about sued him. He enjoyed affection and I gave to. To in abundance, which he enjoyed and you had a special bond with him, because you kept him alive, didn't you and he was born? Yeah. He will. He wasn't very well at all. When he was born I wasn't sure where he was gonNA make it, but I was with him for four eight Irish rains just to make sure that he had everything you need. It's a huddle under a heat lump for. and. Had to feed him by stomach tube goes delighted obviously what he made it through. Its routine for you, then to sell them off to those who are going to make them dinner, right? Yeah. I, run a small cross TM myself. My husband of whole be froze almost farm. So we just have twenty feet. Of the moral individually. An every year. It's the same thing for me I. I normally celebrates twenty five bombs and just got used to doing that. You know that's just what we do. When you told Norman what what three mine would affected that having it was the same as all the other lamps. No I mean, all this may selling my other Lam's, but I do tend managed to go over it. With Norman, I had the dilemma before I even went to the auction mart with him whether to take him or not because he was on his own and he hadn't really mixed with the rest of the I wasn't sure really how he would be with other lum's when he goes away I was just so attached to him. It wasn't like the rest of my mom's a totally. He was more like a dog on silly way. Describe it really at what point did you realize that you had made a mistake to go and find Norman? I mean I was very happy on the day. Head sometimes overrules your heart in these situations. Immediately I I wasn't happy about it. was talking to my husband to afterwards, and before you know after about a week should be okay. Tying when tone an eventually, I, just said I'm just not getting over this I was talking about to everyday to him. Eventually, he said read just please phone them on find out where he is. How did you find him on managed to get a phone number? Cool. The Pharma an iphone phoned him and his wife on the phone and. I was a little bit embarrassed. If I'm honest because I had willingly sold him and it just seemed a bit strange owning them back and say, can I have my mom back? What did they say you? Well, I mean she was so understanding I was surprised actually. You know she said, I fully understand exactly what you're saying, todd pit lumps myself in the past and is a struggle. Don't worry about it. Daily Sing is he's in the field of seven hundred. Lum's on a seventy five Acre field, which is a bit like a needle in the haystack, but she says very welcome to come and find him and how far away with the. Well. It's well, it's probably about five hundred, fifty miles for even forty miles, which to me is seven hours journey to get the. PSA to our boat rides than another five I was driving. When I got there, they welcomed me with open arms to be honest of is very grateful on the showed me where the field was. It was an awful day raining. Looking at this field and my heart just sank because I salute this. I'm going to be here for hours. You know I'll be lucky if I find him. So we drove into the field and there's all these little lambs lying around and none of them looked like my norman. But I noticed there was a little stuff at climb Lang by itself with the little tag on the, I tend to use the oil just try this one. So I asked the former to stop and. And he was about twenty meters away lying on I, just stepped out the passenger side of the car and he just let two feet. A have a pink castle. I wear on the Croft every day when when I was feeding him and keeping him company. So he probably would have recognized the hat. So he came running to me like a bullet I just couldn't believe it a night. Just crouch down on the gave him a big hug. Oh, was crying most overwhelms. Surprised that we manage to get to quickly, how did how did the other farmer reactionist saw this reunion? used the woods himself. He was astonished out. She said to me lots astonishing LAS. If you ever write your memoirs, you'll have to put that in because that is simply astonishing. Do you think that made Norman so special. It was the the the bond that you had. Because you've obviously raised a lot of animals STA turned into food and so. What is it about this one? Do you think? He was just very affectionate. He wasn't simply crude motivated, and he actually generally loved my company. I love this company to House Norman Binns Seger at home. He's been great. He's been getting a lot of attention as you can imagine. So yeah, he's. He's settled buck straightaway. He's behaving like a little spoilt. Is is all. You learn lessons in life and I I just won't let my head will my from now on. I, think the selling of alarms on cubs is is has always been a struggle for me and I don't want that to change in no, because I would never get complacent about them. You know on this occasion I, it was the right thing for me and probably would have traveled to the to get who had a great story. Melanie. Thank you so much. You're very welcome. Thanks to the interest. Good night. Thanks, bye-bye. From archives that was Carol speaking with. Melanie. McLean of Benbecula. Scotland in October twenty. Nineteen. I'm Keith Macarthur. Unlocking Bryson's brain is a podcast about my son. The rare disease that keeps him from walking or talking embraces perfect has life is really hard and our families search for a cure. Oh my gosh. Maybe science is ready for this. It's part memoir part medical mystery. We can do just about anything modifying DNA heart in my throat. is controversial unlocking. BRYSON's brain subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. The. Wrong From you. Use One small man. Joined wheel. I, wish to say official that I'm wrongfully right now. Uncover season. Seven. Dead. Wrong. killed pit bull, he maybe not. Available on CBC listen and wherever, you get your podcasts. In Two, thousand twenty were used to thinking of John. Lewis as an old man, a wise man, a seasoned lawmaker. But in his eulogy for the late Congressman Today former US President Barack. Obama. Reminded mourners that. So much of what John Lewis did. He did as an astonishingly young person, just a teenager when he first heard Dr Martin, Luther King Preach a college student when he spearheaded the Nashville, sit ins of the nineteen sixties in the first of the Freedom Rides and only twenty five years old when he was asked to leave the civil rights march from Selma to Montgomery. Alabama. In his forty minutes at the podium today at Lewis's funeral Bronco Bama. Those early achievements at length, and he also pointed out the John. Lewis, was a man who never stopped striving for better, and then Americans shouldn't either. You always saw the best in us. Never gave up. And never stopped speaking out because he saw the best in us. He believed in us. Even when we didn't believe in ourselves. And? There's a congressman didn't arrest. He kept getting themselves arrested. An. No Man. He didn't sit out. Any fight. Set in all night long on the floor of the United. States capitol. I know his staff was stressed. But the testing of his faith produce perseverance. He knew. That the march is not over. The race is not yet one that we had not yet reached that blessed destination. Where we are judged by the content of our character. He knew from his own life that progress is fragile. That we have to be vigilant against. The darker currents of this country's history. Of our own history. With their whirlpools, violence and hatred and despair, the can always rise again. Bull Connor. May Be. Gone. But today we witnessed with our own eyes, police officers kneeling on the next. Of black-americans. George Wallace may go. But? We can witness. Our federal government sending agents to use tear gas and batons against peaceful demonstrators. We may no longer have to. Guess the number Jelly beans in a jar in order to cast a ballot. But even as we sit here. There are those in power who are doing their darndest. To discourage people from voting. By closing polling locations and targeting minorities and students with restrictive ID long and attacking our voting rights with surgical precision. Even undermining the postal service in the run-up collection. That's going to be dependent on mail in ballots. So people don't get sick. Part of Barack Obama's eulogy for US Congressman John Lewis delivered earlier today, one of his most political speeches in recent memory and one worth hearing in its entirety. Also worth taking in are some of the congressman's own final words from an essay written shortly before his death and published today in the New York Times it. Mr Lewis writes quote though I may not be here with you. I urge you to answer the highest calling of your heart and stand up for what you truly believe in my life I have done all I can to demonstrate that the way of peace. The way of love and nonviolence is the more excellent way. Now, it is your turn to let freedom. Ring Unquote. John Lewis died earlier this month in Atlanta Georgia. He was eighty years old. For months covid nineteen kept Mary Daniel separated from her husband after his Florida nursing home band visitors before the pandemic Ms. Daniel would visit daily cherishing the time with her husband Steve who has early onset Alzheimer's, and so when the facility closed its doors, she employed various tactics to try to visit him in the end. However, it was being employed by the facility that got her in the door earlier. This month Ms Daniel began work as a part time dishwasher at the home, we reached Mary Daniel in Jacksonville Florida. Miss Daniel. We've caught you just before you begin your shift, the new GIG. going. Is going very well. I'm I'm doing there in about thirty minutes and I'll be washing the dinner dishes tonight. Take us back to March when the home stopped allowing visitors? How worried were you about not being able to visit your husband Steve. I was extremely worried. I've visited him every single day. I. Went in after work and ate dinner with them. We went to his room I got ready for bed changed in the short to the t shirt, and we would lie in bed every single night and watch television until he drifted off, does not have the ability to understand the virus or why I'm not there. So I was extremely worried about him being confused, being lonely and really really. Concerned that it would lead to a decline in his physical and mental state. And when you realize that this pandemic wasn't going to be over in a couple of weeks. What did you do? I immediately reached out to the facility itself. Okay. What what? What's The answer here, I've got to do something I've got to get joined. There has to be away can volunteer. Can I get a job? I'm just throwing everything at them and they say, let's just sit tight. You know this isn't GonNa last long we don't know what to expect. Let's give it a little bit more time so I tried to be patient and as time went on days, turn to weeks and weeks turn to months. I started to get a little bit more vocal about coming up with some alternatives because this was not working for. Steve. I'm or for the other residents in his facility, what about video calls or waving through windows? Were you able to do any of that? We tried both of those and we would do facetime, but he talks quite a bit, but is not able to articulate anything. So you can't understand what he's saying. So having a phone conversation or video call was just confusing to him, we did to window visits but he cried the entire time. So I made up my mind that I was just not going to do that anymore. It was an incredibly difficult decision to make a wife that I would rather my husband, not see me or MEC- him because it's just too painful and he just cannot understand what the world's going on here. and. So how did you feel when you finally got this call from the nursing home offering you the dishwashing job? I couldn't believe it when they called completely out of the blue, they had seen the story on the news on with me trying to get to the governor trying to come up with a solution and they said. We have a solution. We have a part time job if you're interested and I said I`am and they said it's a dishwasher and I said I'll take it dishwashing. It is I do it two days a week I, go in for the dinner dishes. So I'll work like tonight I'll work a couple of hours and then I get to go spend a couple of hours with him. What was that first visit like after that first shift washing dishes when you finally got to. To See. Steve for the first time. What was that moment like I was so worried that he wasn't GonNa remember me that he wouldn't recognize me and when I opened up his door to his room and he had his back to many turned around. He did not know that I was in the building. I don't tell him that I'm there because he he does not understand that I'm washing dishes. So when he turned around and sold me the first thing he said was Mary. And I knew that I had gotten back to only been telling. So we hugged. Huge. Hug, we both cried. And then we settled into our routine in his room getting ready for bed and settling in watching a little TV together. Obviously, the homes are doing this to protect the people who live there. They're. They're not trying to really keep families away. How worried are you about cove it and his safety? I. Of course, it's a concern and I absolutely understand that this being done with best of intentions. The problem is is that we are isolating these people to save them, but the isolation is going to kill them too. They are dying by themselves and I. Think. That's incredibly cool. I promise Steve You seven years ago when he was diagnosed at the age of fifty nine that I would be his side for the rest of his life that I would walk this walk with him and I would hold his hand every step of the way, and I didn't do that for a hundred and fourteen days and I was terrified that when I did get back to him, it would be. Be Too late for him to know me and to know my love, and so I am working very, very hard to come up with a compromise because there are ways for us to get to them safely. We don't want I mean it's why I just took a coca test literally five minutes ago. I'm sitting in the parking. Lot of my brother-in-law's medical practice to get the rapid test results. Before I, go to work today, I do not want to bring it into his facility that would be absolutely devastating. But there's ways that we can do this with outdoor visits with cleanroom visit. There's a program called essential caregiver designation that's working in two states right now, there's got to be a better way because this is going to cause immense collateral damage. The truth is the viruses getting it because people are having to come in. So we know it's not working one hundred percent. So if we can go about other ways just to get to them, get that presents to them. Dementia patients need love and they need touch. They need the presence of other people or their brain just is much quicker than it would normally would. So we're just pushing for there has to be a better way. So you're about to head into wash the dishes, and then you'll be able to see Steve. Given those one hundred and fourteen days that you couldn't see him. How much does this time mean to the both of you? It absolutely precious. He has really settled in and gotten used to me coming back. I'm only there two days a week, but it's enough to him. Go that I'm there and that I will be back. So it's just absolutely precious for me to be able to touch him to comfort him to lay down beside and he puts his head on my shoulder and seeing him relax and settle in with me is the best reward. I'm not washing dishes for the money. I'm washing dishes for that. Well. Enjoy your visit and thank you for telling us about it. Thank you so much. Good. Bye. Bye. Bye. Mary Daniel is now a part time dishwasher at her husband's Steve's nursing home a job she took. So she could visit him. We reached Ms Daniel in Jacksonville Florida. Every year around this time, Humpback. Whales. Migrate. From. Hawaii. To the cold waters of Alaska. But this year something unheard of happened when they reached their destination, they could hear themselves because of Covid, nineteen travel restrictions. There are hardly any tourists. So the waters are quiet the horns and hums of motorized boats have left the soundscape, which is important because Wales experience the world through sound and for years they've made their long migration through the constant background noise of boats. Christine Gabriel has been monitoring the whales for the last thirty years at Glacier, Bay National Park. She feels this summer has been something special. We reached MS Gabriel in. Glacier Bay. Christine, what are you finding out there on the waters since? The pandemic and the shutdown. Well. Fortunately, we've been able to continue our long-term study of Humpback Whales because we just go out solo on a small boat, and what we do is identify individual whales and basically we use that information to captured long-term histories of individuals. We count the number of the animals and we also monitoring their reproductive rate. And On my first survey out on the water, I was very grateful to be out there because the rest of the world has been so abnormal during the pandemic that it was kind of a little taste of. out there in nature, and my first day was remarkable actually because I saw three mother calf pairs right off the bat, and that was really unusual for an early season survey. And I'm really glad to say that as the summer has continued, we've actually seen sixteen mother calf pairs so far this year, which is a huge improvement. Over recent years. So what does that tell you? Well our population had gone through some really rough times with the Northeast Pacific Marine heatwave that struck basically most of the North Pacific in Twenty, thirteen, twenty sixteen, and that had a really. Negative effect on a lot of marine life including sea birds, as well as marine mammals and humpback whales, and in those years, we're actually seeing we had one year with. No cavs, one calf to cavs over the years. Our our average had been nine cavs per year. And so it's really reassuring to see that number come back up this year I. Think what it means is the feeding conditions have improved and that's a really good thing. What about the noise levels? How much quieter is it out there? So as soon as it became clear that the Alaska tourism season was going to be much reduced because of the pandemic. I made it my goal to make sure that we would be able to listen underwater and document what that changes and also made plans to collaborate with others to study what difference that would make to whale communication patterns and what have you found. Well. Previously, what we have had found about well, communication is that Kinda like you and I. If we were standing by a roadside trying to have a conversation when there's noise in the background, the whales do a couple of things. One is that they would vocalise louder Sometimes, they might repeat themselves. They might shift frequencies so that they could avoid the noise, but they're they're basically pretty adept at adapting to a noisy environment. So what we're wondering about this year when it's so quiet is whether that pattern will change whether those bouts of communication that they have with one, another are longer or more complex or different in some fundamental way. This quiet year has given us a really unique opportunity to study undisturbed natural communication. Yeah. Undisturbed makes me think. It must be so stressful for those animals. We hear about that all the time that it's so stressful to have this noise and and the interference in their in their communication in their daily lives. There are researchers who are going to be studying the stress hormone levels in this quiet year and compared to other times, and that'll be really interesting to see what those results are. Yeah, I think in the quiet. The whales are actually able to take up more physical space as well as acoustic space. So, if these animals are using sound to communicate with others. There used to their sounds being able to travel a certain distance. But when there's so much background, noise that really shrinks their world to a much smaller space over which they can communicate with others or listen passively for things like predators or. Other things like that. What kind of effect will this have on Wales? Do you think them them having a quieter environment and being able to use more space as you say? Yeah I think it'll be really beneficial for them to have this quiet summer particularly because we have so many mother calf pairs this year I think the females are in fact, I've seen it. the females are able to kind of leave their calf off by itself for a while, the mother can go off and feed undisturbed by the calf, as well as by other vessels and just kind of get back into good physical condition. So I think it's just more relaxing, less stressful for them. The feeding conditions however are really the most important thing that's going to contribute to the population health. What does this kind of work that you're able to do at this time? What kind of a an opportunity does it provide for your research? Well, it's really at once in a lifetime of. To to study natural, well, communication in an undisturbed state. The hope is that what we can learn about well communication in this quiet time, we'll. We'll help us develop ways to protect whales into the future. I mean studying the underwater sound environment is important because it helps us see the world, the way the whales do, but once we do that the better we can understand what their needs are. The more. We can develop ways to to protect that underwater sound environment. This is your thirty, th summer monitoring the whales. How Is it for you. This year. You you talk about it being a once. In a lifetime experience. Tell me what that's like. Personally. Well many days when I go out on the water, I actually don't see any other vessels or just few, and that's a really different experience I did just come off of a ten day kayak trip and Glacier Bay just for a vacation on a lot of the days, we saw no other human beings at all and on some of the islands we camped on on our way down the bay. there would be whales very close to shore and just hour after hour feeding and. you know, resting and socializing and breaching. It was really quite fantastic. Especially being there as a silent observer you know, and that's spoken as someone who's been studying these. Creatures for thirty years. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely going to be beneficial for the whales to have some quiet. What do you hope comes out of this? What I hope is that the research that we do to understand wail communication patterns better will be able to contribute to ways that we can conserve underwater sound environment. And accommodate the human presence. In that environment over the long term. humans in Wales are going to be co existing on the oceans in definitely in the future. So we need all the tools. We can get to really make that relationship work over the long term. Well. We wish you all the luck in the world without research. Thanks for telling. US. About, it. All right. Thank you for having me. Goodbye. By. Christine Gabriel is a wildlife biologist at Glacier Bay National Park in Alaska. That's where we reached her. 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