Day 949: Trump defends Russia, skips a climate meeting, and plugs his club at the G7


Tonight president trump comes home after barreling through the g seven locking horns with u._s. Allies on trade russia and climate change into it amount to anything plus in a move that could millions for trump's business the president pitches his florida resort as the site for next year's g seven it using his farewell news conference to tout its abundance of parking and finally good news for the residents of newark new jersey. Who's water contains dangerous levels of lead but more waiting lies ahead. This eleventh hour monday night starts right now good evening once again from n._b._c. news headquarters here in new york. I'm steve kornacki in for brian williams who has the night off day nine and forty nine of the trump administration. The president is back in washington. After a weekend of erotic behavior unexpected pivots in romania statements in front of some of america's closest allies at the g seven summit in france aside from brazenly pitching his own miami resort as the location for next year's g seven more more on that later trump closed out the summit with a new line on a possible trade deal with china and a new set of claims janika last night. I'm trained people and say. Let's get back to the table. Do you had many calls over the last twenty four hours but certainly over the last forty eight hours so the chinese are saying that there weren't aren't any decrees and that saying that an excuse me let me explain something vice chairman of china. Do you get higher than that other than presidency the vice president the vice chairman flight the vice president the vice chairman made the statement that he wants to make a deal now whether or not we make a deal. It's got to be a great deal for us. The president xi is a great leader who happens to be a brilliant man and he can't lose three million jobs in a very short period of time. Trump was asked about his various statements about negotiations with china and quickly became defensive this from is the back and forth the changing statements from yourself so that salary negotiate. Is that a strategy a strategy called old president xi of enemy one day and then say that relations then negotiate. It's done very well for me over the years and it's doing even better for the country trump also had a lot to say about iran that nation's foreign minister appeared at the g seven summit on saturday french president macron who was trying to preserve the two thousand fifteen nuclear agreement trump abandoned invited foreign ministers. The reef at the last minute trump did not meet with him today. He did not rule out future meeting. If the circumstances were correct toward the right i would certainly agree to that. We're not looking for leadership change. We're not looking for that kind of change. We're looking for no nuclear weapons. No ballistic missiles macron instead. He talks between you and president ronnie within weeks. Does that sound realistic to you. Could you see yourself in talks with your audience with him as i don't know the gentleman i think that i think i know a little bit just by watching over the last number of years what's happened tell you one thing is great negotiator but he i think he's gonna wanna meet. I think iran wants to get this situation. Straightened out. Vladimir putin was not at the summit in person but trump made sure he wasn't forgotten. The president continued to advocate for russia's readmission to the g seven. I think that having president putin in what was the g eight hey he was a member of the and i heard he was a good member of the g at having a minute i think is more of an advantage because you're also russia's foreign foreign ministers saying that it's not air foreign policy pursue to return to eight. What's your reaction well. We'll see i know i know one thing if they were invited back. I think they'd be there. Trump also read reiterated the false allegation that president obama push russia out of what was then the g. eight because he was embarrassed. When russia annexed crimea from ukraine which was the official reason for russia's suspension from the g eight in twenty fourteen fox news had this fact check president trump says the russians were removed from the group because president putin outsmarted president obama that is not true through the decision to remove russia from the group was unanimous. The reason putin invaded and annexed crimea nevertheless trump managed to bring up his predecessor's name more than a dozen times look at what they did to get the deal look at what they did to john kerry and to present in an obama a very very big important area in the middle east with red line was drawn and then president obama decided that he was not going to do anything about it. I know you like president obama but it was annexed during president obama's it was sort of taken away from president obama and not taking away from president trump taken away from president. I don't know bama but president obama was unable to stop it. President obama was pure. Him simply outsmarted somebody had to do this. This should have been done by president obama. Among the president was a no show at the meeting on climate change despite worldwide concern about fires in the amazon given trump's past skepticism about climate climate change. It may not be surprising. He was not at the meeting but here's what he said when asked about it the in fact. It's going to be our next session but we haven't had in fact though the meeting had already the happened here is trump's empty chair while other leaders opened the talks. According to the white house press secretary the president had scheduled meetings with germany and india however her photos of that meeting show the leaders of both germany and india at that meeting well trump's chair remains empty waiter trump was asked about his past comments on the impact climate change. There was a significant talk about climate change. I know in the past. You've heard some skepticism of a scientist comma change. What what do you think the world should be doing about climate change and do you still harper. That's up to them. I feel that the united states has tremendous wealth off. The wealth is under its feet. I've made that wealth come alive. I'm not gonna lose that wealth. I'm not gonna lose it on own on dreams on windmills which frankly aren't working too well and along with all of that there was this from trump about the first lady in north north korea's dictator with respect to north korea kim jong on gotten to know extremely well. First lady has has gotten to know kim jong un. I think she agree with me. He is a man with a country that has tremendous potential. You may not recall seeing any images of the first lady and kim jong hoon together because as the white house press secretary explained they have actually not met quote president president trump confides in his wife on many issues including the detailed elements of his strong relationship with chairman kim and while the first lady hasn't met him the president feels like she's gotten gotten to know him to your leadoff discussion on a monday night philip rucker pulitzer prize winning white house bureau chief for the washington post christopher dickey veteran foreign correspondent ended in paris based world news editor for the daily beast who happens to be with us in new york tonight and tamra keith the white house correspondent for n._p._r. Thanks to all of you for being with us. Oh chris let me just start with you. Maybe to put this in some bigger picture perspective these g seven g eight. Whatever happens to be called in any given year. These meetings have been going on on for decades now. This one produced for all of the noise and for all of this sort of chaos. That's been stirred up by by the president's various comments today today in actions over the last few days this did not produce any broad-based agreement between the participating nations on major issues. How different is the g. seven under trump versus past presidents. I'd say it's almost worthless under trump. It was never worth that much to begin with. It was a club of the richest democratic nations and they came together when there was still a soviet union to present a kind of alternative vision. We're rich. We're democratic. This is the model that you should follow they brought in russia in the one thousand nine hundred ninety s because not because it was very rich it wasn't but because they thought it had democratic potential and they wanted to encourage is that vladimir putin basically shut all that the hell is murderous autocrat and trump now basically access is he's a club that he knows he should be black balled in and he runs around and bullies his way through everything and the the only consensus that really existed at this g seven was let's just try and keep him from going crazy because they didn't want it to blow up up the way it did in canada and the last one or even entire amina in italy the one before they wanted trump to just sort of be there make his show show and leave and mackerel president across france he sort of has a reputation as the trump whisper the person who can sort of influence lumens trump although it's been disappointed on a lot of issues and he had a couple of little prizes for trump one is you're going to make advances on iran. We're going to hold that up as a potential central breakthrough and of course trump was busy also touting his new breakthrough with china. I think the one thing that you report didn't mention is he announced that breakthrough through with china before the stock market opened here on monday having crashed the stock market on friday with his erratic behaviour as radic attic statements about china is main thing was that he wanted to see the stock market. Go go up again. This is all tactical stuff and it's all embarrassing but the reason why do we have a g seven anymore. And why are we going to have it at at a trump country club. I if what chris's outlining is perhaps the other participating precipitating nation's leaders viewed this. How does the trump administration viewed. How does the white house fewer do. They think they actually got anything out of this. The president eh seemed pretty happy at the press conference certainly and and you know everyone is talking about him talking about his performance and if they're talking about him <hes> generally speaking he feels like he is winning and and certainly in the case of of today he a was able to go out there and on a number of occasions say so and so wants to make a deal. He says that iran wants to make a deal. He says that china wants to make a deal now. Whether there's actually a deal in the offing or whether this is vaporware and and nothing happens isn't clear at this point but it certainly gave the president another day to to move forward a day when the markets did perform better certainly than they did on friday in phil rucker. I wanna read something you wrote in the washington post. He said the entire forty four year vision of the g seven gathering authoring according to the non u._s. Participants is to hash out global issues among like minded democracy so the discussion quickly turned even more fundamental whether the leaders it should assign any special wheat to being a democracy officials said most of the other participants forcefully believed the answer was yes. Trump believed the answer was no painting a bit of a vivid senior explain that a little bit more. Could you steve senior official who witnessed all of this told hold my colleague michael birnbaum that it was trump himself or a dictator in knows meetings the way he talked about democracy versus other forms of government the way he he defended and even promoted vladimir putin quietly he obviously talked about putin in that press conference but he also talked about him extensively in these private sessions actions with the other leaders really advocating on putin's behalf becoming a cheerleader of sorts of course he said he would plan to <hes> to include putin invite putin to next year's g seven summit <hes> that he plans to host it his own golf course down in florida but it's a really a noteworthy move for an the american president to be advocating on behalf of the russian autocrat and to not be the forceful defender of democracy in that setting given the long history of the g seven fanatic group and previously eight in crystal. You just expressed a bit of a pessimistic view about the role of the lack thereof these days but the united states is due to host it next year. There's the question of where it's gonna be. We'll get into that a little bit later but also this issue of the president going out of his way to say he would like russia back in his group. He'd like putin to come to the united states next year for this session. How will that go over with the other members in plano on it. They said no already they they support democracy and and trump has a real serious case of dictator in the mean he loves to talk about his friendship with kim jong un who is probably the worst higher and live on the planet right now <hes> he loves loves vladimir putin for reasons. We've never really known or understood and and he has all kinds of admiring things to say about jean ping. He doesn't talk about any democratic leader leader in with the same tone of admiration that he tends to turn or even love that he tends to turn on these tyrants now should then then the g. seven be modified to embrace more tyrants. No look there is an organization that does that and that's the g. twenty and in fact when the reason that putin is not pushing to get back into the into the because there is the g. twenty and he can sit around with other tyrants mohammed bin salman on he can sit around with zine ping he can sit around with leaders of the twenty richest countries not the not the <music> seven richest countries and feel right at home. I think probably a president trump would feel more at home in that environment too because the only measure there is money money and the only measure that trump really understands is money not democracy not ideals not human rights not science none of those things wchs just money timur there was that exchange we played a little bit of it earlier where the president was asked about his statements about the status of negotiations with china's china's seem to be all over the place and he basically said at the press conference look. This is how i negotiate. You're saying a minute ago. It's unclear what the status of of the negotiations or lack of negotiations lack of talks is china when the president says look. This is how i negotiate. I think there's a questionnaire in their interpretation does that mean it sort of is a self contained thing. It's it's entirely how trump is thinking about something. As the mo- at the moment or is this does it reflect a broader strategy that the administration is pursuing the administration's strategy is the president strategy and we've seen that repeatedly heatedly and certainly in this case <hes> president trump with these china's negotiations really has been all over the place as michael shear of the new york times pointed out in that question on friday kim <hes> he was referring to xi jinping the chinese president along with his handpicked fed chairman as enemies and now he's once again lavishing praise on she president trump ah going back to win. He was in real estate which of course is very different than international negotiations but he's always been all about keeping people people off balance that has been perhaps the most recurrent character character of the trump administration of the last last two and a half years another characteristic. I think feel that we've seen before and heard before from this president was he invoked his predecessor by name. We'd be played at their multiple times. Barack obama's name coming up the president taking all sorts of shots at him there again something you may not have seen past presidents do edited occasion like this again with this president. It's almost standard. I suppose yeah we'll see there's no norm or tradition or or protocol that president trump feels he needs to honor honor and in this case he wanted to place blame on on president obama even though as as i believe ship smith at fox news for saying in clip you played at the intro it was actually putin who invaded crimea that was steamed a violation of international law by all seven members of the g seven they issued a joint declaration kicking kicking out russia from the group and lane conditions preconditions for for that russia would have to meet in order to come back into the group and that would include recognizing the sovereignty auburn team of ukraine and de escalating crimea which are thinks that putin has not done so trump wants to bring putin back into this organization without russia doing really anything to to atone for its misdeeds one other important piece of context with all of this if trump were to have putin come to the g. seven summit next year in the united states. That's an election shania presidential election year and as we've talked about on this program time and time again the u._s. Intelligence agencies have directly warned the president and the public that russia is trying actively trying to interfere in the twenty twenty presidential election just as they did in the two thousand sixteen presidential election to help trump win that election and so that would be a pretty extraordinary move for this president to to welcome putin to america in an election year while his country is trying to interfere in our election year right right. I mean a year from now. You'll be pretty much moving into the home stretch of the twenty twenty election. That'd be the backdrop for the next. One of these g seven sessions phil rucker timor a keith christopher dickey. Thank you all for being with us and coming up from russia. If you're listening to russia. Are you coming president trump aiming to bring next year's g seven to his florida lord golf resort. We're gonna take a talk to an expert on trump's finances in later forboding numbers for joe biden another new poll out just a few minutes ago. We'll have have that for you. While the former vice president's campaign insists his support is solid the eleventh hour just getting started on a monday night. We have a series of magnificent buildings. We call them bungalows. They each hold from fifty to seventy very luxurious rooms with magnificent views and what we have also as miami and we have many hundreds of acres so that in terms of parking in terms of all of the things that you need in my opinion. I'm not gonna to make any money to make money. I don't care about making money. The united states will host next year's g seven summit and just before leaving this year's meeting. Donald trump made something of a pitch to hold it at his own gulf resort endow florida west of miami that would also give him the chance to host vladimir putin at one of his properties is if russia were readmitted to the g seven or if trump simply invited him today. Trump was asked about inviting the russian leader to the summit. Would i invite him. I would certainly invite him whether or not he could come psychologically. I think it's a tough thing to do. The prospect of a summit at one of trump's properties raises all sorts of questions about mixing his for profit business and the presidency. Here's what trump and his advisors said about potential conflicts after he won the two thousand sixteen election. Do you think he'll turn it over to the family or put it into a blind trust. I'm not ready to re to reveal any of that. People in this country knew and accepted accepted and celebrated this business that donald trump has built throughout the entire life so so now we're working on making sure that all those conflicts <hes> are taken care of his so focused on taking over as president that only focus the only thing he's working on. He's completely getting out of the business handed over to the family. We might two sons who are right here. Don and eric are going to be running the company. They are going going to be running it in a professional manner. They're not going to discuss it with me here to talk about. All this pulitzer prize winning reporter david farren fold all of the washington post david. Thank you for joining us. I was looking back the last couple of times. The united states is hosted the g seven summit. I think in twenty twelve it was is at camp david in two thousand four it was a georgia <hes> it was not at a trump property either one of his recent times the possibility that it would be in twenty twenty ethically legally constitutionally. Are there specific provisions there that that could come up against well. The most important is the emoluments clause in the constitution which was the original anti-corruption that the constitution it says that presidents can't take emoluments movements which means payments from foreign states and so by setting this up this way trump would basically invite that you might even say compel that he'd compelled these foreign states that they want want to go to the g. seven summit. They gotta bioterrorism's from they. Gotta buy food from them. They got to put money into his pocket. A trump has said that emoluments clause shouldn't mean that you just mean bribes. You can't bribe arrived president but it's okay to do business with him but if you believe doing business with the president is a violation of the emoluments clause that an enormous scale he. He said that he was saying look at this happened. He wouldn't make money off of this. Is that a claim you can. You're able to check in in verify no right now. He says that his company donates what it calls foreign prophet so prophets from doing business with foreign governments and so it's only about three hundred and forty thousand dollars to that end to the u._s. treasury but we don't really know what that number represents. We don't know what the overall amount of revenue trump gets is from foreign governments. We don't know how calculates that profit if it figure and even if he's giving away the profits derived is hurting this is this is a resort that is in a lot of financial trouble. What's declined a lot under trump's leadership and so just putting money into it to keep it afloat even if you don't make profits would still be a huge boon for him. It's interesting right. There's the question of what what the direct benefit of an event like this might be an also the publicity city benefit of all the talk about it and get the name out there given what you're saying about its current financial state david farrant thank you for taking a few minutes appreciate it and coming up to important horton numbers from this weekend fifteen thousand and twenty per cent. We're going to get into that at the big board on the eleventh hour continues <music>. Guess what folks. We have another another day another four actually two new polls. You can call today a pick your pull day when it comes to the democratic race for president. There's one that came out early today. I'm going to show you that. I got a lot of people talking because look joe biden. We've seen joe biden all year. Running in first place in the democratic race will in the monmouth poll that came out at this afternoon. Joe biden running behind bernie sanders behind elizabeth warren sitting there at nineteen percent best pull bernie sanders is basically had since is biden gotten the race great news for elizabeth warren. She's been steadily climbing in this race in obviously for biden that a big drop a big drop from what we've seen in other polls. That's a big drop from what we see in the monmouth poll before this now what in this monmouth full was fueling that drop for joe biden a couple of things first question of ideology. We've seen him struggling ling among liberal voters in the democratic race even third-place here but in this monmouth poll moderates and conservatives in the democratic party air are still moderates. There are still some conservatives serves in the democratic electric biden's been cleaning up among them in other polls in this one only twenty two percent barely ahead of bernie sanders so he was struggling there. He had some weakness. Is there also there. Was this age divide again. This is something we've seen it in poll. After poll this year you can basically divide the democratic party. Half democratic voters are over fifty half half are under fifty in the fifty and older category biden leading by double digits poll. We've seen that before but in the under fifty category biden falling all the way down to six percent. We've seen him struggling with these motors in this poll this monmouth poll today. That's as bad as it's been tied with injury the former vice president among democrats under under fifty so that's the point if you don't like joe biden that's the poll you want to be talking about right now but now in the last hour another poll has just come out morning conso also they do a weekly survey of the they've been doing this all year the morning console poll came out in the last hour and look at this. They got joe biden at thirty three percent. They also have sanders at twenty. He's twenty and both of them in warren back fifteen again morning concerts doing a weekly poll for months now. This is where it's been for awhile in the morning console thing so you got one poll. All that's got really alarming news for biden. You've got one. That kind of looks like status. Quo if your average everything together biden still in the lead in this race in the average probably in about the high twenties if you average every poll that's out there but really it got two polls today. You can pick your poll depending on the narrative you want craft by the way the poll that monmouth poll also did did make some news critically next democratic debate middle of september. You have to qualify for these ten. Candidates are on the stage the deadline to qualify wednesday. Hey at midnight one candidate. Tom steiner the billionaire. He is one poll short of the threshold. You gotta hit two percent in four different polls. If you do that that and you raise the money you can get on stage tires raised the money. He's one poll short. He did not hit that number. He did not hit two percent and that monmouth poll today so style fire is still short of qualifying again. He would need some other new poll to come out either tomorrow or wednesday he'd have to be at two percent. Otherwise style tire will not make the debate. Only these ten candidates will end if only these ten candidates to guess what that means all on one stage all on one night all together together one night one stage one debate something we haven't seen yet so keep that in mind if things hold as they currently are coming up after months of the front runner status the biden campaigns forceful forceful response to today's numbers eleventh hour back after this joe biden's campaign pushed back on that new monmouth poll that shows him in a virtual three-way tie with elizabeth warren and bernie sanders is that poll comes as elizabeth warren drew. Another large crowd over the weekend. This woman was out in seattle. An estimated fifteen thousand people showed up to hear her speak at a town on hall for more we welcome to the broadcast natasha correctly national political correspondent covering the twenty twenty campaign for politico and back with us tonight also covering the twenty twenty campaign pain n._b._c. news correspondent mike mentally thanks to both of you for being with us. Natasha let me start with you. It's always interesting when you see these candidates get those giant crowds cbs. Sometimes it seems to mean something you can remember barack obama. Sometimes it doesn't translate when they actually start voting. I remember howard dean back in two thousand three early two thousand for what is it looking like when it comes to elizabeth warren well. There's no question there's a huge contrast with what warren was showing the people that were showing up to warns owns events back in january in iowa and so forth even in massachusetts they were nothing like this <hes> she's creating a movement a bit by bit. She is and and it. It didn't start off this way but it's growing <hes> you know. Will someone able to take her down. Will she lose promo momentum bantam that remains to be seen but so far what's interesting about it. It wasn't like she shot up quickly. <hes> she had actually very difficult bumpy rollout in january but she overcame that and steadily she's growing in not just in the polls but in crowd size in mike again. We showed look there. Is that morning console so pull out tonight so the biden cam sure is that win or genetically are <hes>. If you look inside that police you take the horse race number out of it. One one thing they also did find in there was that elizabeth warren they found among democratic voters to now be the most popular candidate and they just popular in terms of the favorable rating in biden's negatives to have risen over the last few months again with where the exact horserace stands here. It does seem that biden's taken some hits in among at least some. I'm democrat voters. Here as negatives have gone up a little bit. Yes the biden campaign as you say forcefully pushing back on this monmouth poll saying it's an outlier looking at that very small sample size pointing out that in august it's sort of a dead period for polling to begin with this was conducted over a summer weekend and you're not going to get the kind of response rate that you like. They also think that the fundamentals the theory of the case for them is is really still strong that the number one issue for democratic voters continues to be donald trump and who is the best candidate to beat donald trump and they still believe in voters do show so far in these polling still that they think joe biden is that candidate but the risk of this kind of electability polity focused strategy is that it exposes them to these kinds of media new cycles that they hate frankly which is an emphasis too much on a bad poll an emphasis as well on the kind of gas verbal miscues. Whatever you wanna call them that. We've seen mounting over the past month and i also think to the warrenpoint you know as the tasha points out as well the i think she started out sort of undervalued in large part because of the concerns about the dna test this issue and what you've seen over the course of this primary campaign his she's reminding democrats of why they liked her to begin with and so it's really created a situation where we essentially have two three person race heading into the next debate eight into tasha in that first democratic debate a couple months ago. You saw biden <hes> obviously you had that encounter onstage with kamla. Harrison helped her momentarily almond terribly. It certainly seemed to hurt him back then as well. I think now folks are looking at it. Looks like elizabeth warren is going to be on the same stage with biden in the next debate in september. I think wondering if if something similar might happen then well it's certainly the battle that everyone's been waiting for. People have said that fight in the skated <hes> by being able to avoid warren the first two debates <hes> but on the other hand warren has really dominated because she was sort of central <hes> <hes> at least in the first debate and you know with with biden they were with bernie sanders in the second debate <hes> the two of them sort of joined up so it'll be interesting to see how both of them respond how both think on their feet but warren is you know no question a formidable debater in just quickly mike. I'm curious there. Was this widely publicized. I think most folks have probably seen the video over the weekend joe biden in keene new hampshire talking as if he was in vermont. What do you hear from the biden. Campaign ain't about that and about the concerns that it raises a about whether he's up to this yeah i was there for that it was frankly baffling moment reporters there and that guy go looking at each other wondering wondering how he could make that mistake and this is the kind of thing where the biden campaign will respond to say we make too much of an issue out of this that there are other candidates making mistakes on the campaign but we're just trying to play into this issue but that's why as i said this is a matter of of making that elect ability case then that exposes you to these kinds of issues the candidate as i say who can most disqualify joe biden likely joe biden himself all right mike memory natasha correct. Thank you both for being with us all right in coming up today's as breaking developments in the newark water crisis how the city intends to bring safe drinking water back to its residents sooner than anticipated. We're back after this and we actually here to announce. After i said earlier one hundred twenty million dollar investment made possible by essex county improvement authority to expedite the modernization of drinking water infrastructure at no cost to the effect that homeowners after weeks of controversy officials in newark new jersey today revealed their one hundred twenty million in dollar plan to speed up the process of restoring clean drinking water instead of ten years to replace lead pipes officials now say it should take less than thirty months to replace about eighteen thousand service lines in new jersey's largest city proposal still needs the approval of county and city officials who are expected to hold meetings and to vote tomorrow. Many newark residents have been relying on bottled water for weeks in tonight frustration. There is still growing. Dozens of people demanding clean clean water protested outside newark's prudential center. That's the site of tonight's mtv video music awards and earlier today our own ron allen spoke to one newark resident about about today's developments. They said today that they're going to replace. The pipes the bagpipes over the next thirty months okay thirty miles. That's so long he. I understand why they can't doodo enable. Come on that's thirty months. It was going to be ten years now. He years now now. There's speeding it up. Okay well. That's still a long time. It is a long time back with us. Tonight is new jersey native nick courson eighty. He covers his new jersey for the new york. Times also here dr john torahs medical correspondent for n._b._c. news nick well. Let's let's pick up on that reaction because i think when you hear it just thirty months in isolation two and a half years i think everybody says that's a really long time to fix this. You have the mayor there saying. This is a great triumph. Why why is that a fair framing this well. If you go back to march when they first broke ground on replacing their lead service lines it was a seventy five million dollar binding plan it was going to take ten years and it was gonna cost residence up two thousand dollars per household so that's a lot of money in a city like newark where the average median income is thirty four thousand dollars so fast forward today once the crisis is really accelerated. They were able to announce a new one hundred twenty million dollar plan that was going to expedite it from ten years to less than three and eighteen eighteen thousand pipes pipes so the even the ability to do that in thirty months giving some skeptics some hesitation so when you frame it like that it does look like a significant development and it's one of the first bits of good news and progression that we've seen in a long time in newark because we've been talking about the city handing out bottled water residents forced to rely rely on that does that mean there are residents who for the next two and a half years are going to have to stay with bottled water. They certainly hope not all we know so far about the current bottled water distribution abuse is that they've been testing for two weeks. They're going to be testing for at least two more. They have an updated us whatsoever on what these tests are proving <hes>. We asked the mayor today a. and he's going to wait until there's a scientific sample right now. They're working on getting the a corrosion inhibitor in the water set. It's called an ortho phosphate and that takes up to six months but once that set in a worst case scenario. Hopefully they wouldn't need to use bottled water anymore but we won't know when they can stop distributing until these tests are done a doctor tours i we we all know sort of instinctively. You don't want leading your water but but specifically medically for children for adults. What are the consequences inches of that for. Everyone and it's toxic. It's a heavy metal. It gets into our body. It disrupts the cells and how they work and specifically gets to organs of the central nervous system the brain spinal according to the kidneys and the heart it can cause a lot of problems and it's a cumulative process so the more you're exposed to it the more problems it's going to cost. It's going to start building up and that's why three years here's even though it's not going to be ten years three years. That's still very longtime. Six months is a long time to be exposed to lead it affects children especially under the age of six more effects developing being fetuses and particularly their brain their brain development. That's probably the biggest issue can lower their i._q. Can cause cognition issues later on in life for adult hypertension high blood blood pressure type situations so again. This is one of those things that the longer they're exposed to the more problems. It's gonna cost is there. Is there treatment for for somebody who's been exposed. Maybe exhibiting exhibiting some of these symptoms. Is there a treatment for lead poisoning. It's effective so if it turns out that their levels are high and those liberals and people have dropped what we consider standards and say it's high at this point point if they're high the first treatment you do is you remove the exposure to the lead. That's the very first immediate thing you do. Once you remove the exposure. The lead levels will naturally start dropping opping. If they've gotten too high enough level especially in the developing child they can be permanent issues in permanent damage if it gets high enough which means very high in their bodies then there's a medicine call a key location that they can use to try and take the to let out of their body. It doesn't work as well as we'd like to work and it's only reserved for for children have very very high levels but for most of them the the main point is that just remove the exposure as soon as you can the big question i think <hes> the backdrop for all of this is how it ever reached this crisis point in newark in the first place especially ashley in light of everything we saw in flint michigan years ago nick. You're part of a team at the new york times. It really took a dive into this question over the weekend. We're gonna talk about that in just a minute. Nick and dr tours are staying with us and again coming up more on that critical. The critical lessons learned from the drinking water crisis in new jersey's biggest city. That's eleventh hour continues. We mentioned a minute ago but over the weekend the new york times reported on a long long line of questionable decisions that led to the current water crisis in newark our guest nick chorus needy shared a byline the story it reads quote in investigation by the new york times based on dozens of interviews and hundreds of pages of public records reveals blunders at all levels of government in safeguarding newark's water infrastructure city officials brushed aside warnings and allowed the system to deteriorate while state and federal regulators often did not intervene forcefully enough to help prevent the crisis still with with us nick horace needy and dr john torres nick so take us through this because the political response from the city of newark initially when the when they're indications <hes> began emerging was essentially there's no crisis here and you also uncovered technically speaking what apparently happened to trigger this crisis in the first place. If you were to go back to two thousand fifteen it appears that that's when the city started tinkering with with its water a little bit to deal with the problem with them some carcinogens and to do that. They started started making their water slightly more acidic. Now what that did was for for twenty years has been combating lead. It's got these ancient old pipes and they were using this chemical called sodium silicate to prevent the lead from reaching into the water now when they made their water more acidic to deal with one problem kind of rendered the other sodium silicate ineffective now what we found in our reporting is they never did a test before doing that. The state was unaware that they were doing this city. Officials couldn't produce any tests that show that when they were looking to change the acidity they wondered what other the impact that might have in their water so that's what started the snowballing effect for at least from what what our reporting shows that brought us to two thousand seventeen when the first level excedence tests came to newark work now those came in june july twenty seventeen and the mayor was basically his entire message was the waters completely safe to drink. Don't worry here now. There's legal things that the city you had to do like start testing male anyone who's house specifically turned positive test. Those were the random samples that you then extrapolate from so for about eighteen months. The the entire message from the city was these are outrageously false statements coming in about our water and the water is absolutely safe to drink when if you were in one of those fourteen or fifteen thousand households that was getting elevated lead levels in their water from the lead leaching in from the pipes that was not true. The mayor is trying to say that the water source from the reservoir was not contaminated and that that is true you but when it comes to what the residents were hearing and what was coming out of their faucets. There was a significant amount of them. Were that water was not safe to drink a doctor tours when when you read nick story you think about how big this country is in how just common political dysfunction is and you'd have all these sort of intermingling agencies at different levels of government. We've seen it in flint. We've seen it in newark. Are we likely to see this in other places and i think we are because the infrastructure in this country is aged and it's has a hard problem of trying to get that up to date modernized saturn is in nineteen eighty six is when the standard came out saying anything after nineteen eighty six. You cannot have lead pipes in the house so at the e._p._a. Says house built before nine hundred eighty. He's six more than likely has lead pipes or lead solder. The join those pipes together so it could be leaching lead and so those are houses that definitely need to be tested and talk different sources are saying there could be hundreds of cities out there that have similar problems. Maybe even worse problems. We just don't know about them yet. Nick very quickly the mayor just given what you've told us given what you've reported. What's his standing in newark right now. He's an incredibly popular mayor up until this moment. There hasn't really been much controversy much for scandal for bracha raka. He took over from cory booker who was pretty popular but as he left the refu- issues there were some rising crime. Do some budget cuts. There was some corruption the watershed commission under him so up until until now the mayor has been very popular. He's very important. Now i have governor phil murphy and he's pretty well like the round the state which is what's kind of surprised so many people to see how his messaging and his handling i'm dealing with. This issue has been almost contrast how we've seen him when the city so far okay. It's it's a depressing story. Somebody's a fascinating story as well done very well reported <hes> by you and your colleagues appreciate that nick course sneak touched on tourists. Thank you both for being with us tonight and that is our broadcast for this monday night. Thank you at home for being with us in good night from far a._b._c. news headquarters here in new york <music>. Hey it's chris hayes from m._s._n._b._c. you every day. 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