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Joshua Wong has been arrested fervour among other things violating an anti Masque law during a protest. His allies says, it's another warning shot from China turn on tune in drop out. I wish I mean wage Couple in Wales turned on their second hand TV every morning to tune into the news it made everyone's Broadband in the entire town Dropout been there done that Uncle Ben's rice has an oil changes to its racist branding but rapper and entrepreneur Master P has already cooked up a better idea and a hard case a New York state man pleads not guilty after being arrested for erecting a two meter tall wooden penis in his yard and tells us he's not going down without a fight as it happens the Thursday Edition radio that gives you the Willies off. Justin Trudeau was back in the House of Commons today after his address to the nation last night and he was immediately fending off conservative attacks. The opposition accused the prime minister of trying to bury the we investigate with a bogus prorogation and an empty speech from the throne. Mr. Trudeau begged to differ if we hadn't stepped up as a federal government right across the country in every Province and territory to put money directly in people's pockets from the beginning of this pandemic. What what Canadians have you every step of the way we had Canadians back we are committing now as we approach this second wave to continue to have people's backs in the conservatives would rather vote for an election right now rather than support people who are true. Debating the conservatives over his governments speech from the throne. But while the conservatives have made it clear that they'll oppose the government's plan. The NDP has said it's willing to negotiate jug meet sing as the dog. Of the NDP we reached him in Ottawa. Mr. Singh. Are you willing to force a pandemic election if Justin Trudeau doesn't give you everything you want but I've said from the beginning that money goal has never been throughout this endemic throughout this minority government to find a way to tear down government. My goal has always been to find a way to fight for people to deliver the help they need and right now that remains my goal. I'm using the platform that I have the leverage I have to fight for Canadians to fight for workers. So they have paid sick leave to fight for people who can't go back to work to make sure they get the same amount of support that it's not cut like the Liberals had initially proposed to do and we're proud that so far we've been able to win. Okay. So again for Canadian, right? So you got that you you were able to get them to agree to put that returned it to a $500 instead of $400, which was the income replacement money and but what else you asking for, I mean what this point would make you support the liberal? Well, two things one. We we put out that they shouldn't cut the amount and you're right. So they we've forced them to return it to the full $2,000 a month instead of $1,600. The next piece is the paid-sick-leave wage and we are very close. We're optimistic that we can we can work this out. But I want to make sure that any Canadian worker who falls sick during this pandemic and onwards can have the confidence they can stay at home and know that they will still be able to pay their bills. So the paid-sick-leave piece is what we're working on right now. We're in negotiation and I'm very optimistic that we can come to a resolution where there will be a pay check back in place for Canadian workers. What do you say that you're able to get these two things accomplished within just I mean less than a day of the throne speech is it seemed as though I don't know it was a bit scripted that they thought they waited for you to knowing what you would ask and then you give they give it to you so quickly and then it all seems to be close to being resolved. No. No, we we had been fighting for this for weeks now for months now dead. The paid sick leave is actually something that we had obtained as a commitment from the liberal government. We fought for it months ago in exchange for a vote on a a crucial vote that the Liberals needed our support on so for a crucial vote, we we negotiated the paid-sick-leave. So this was months in the working we needed this to be in place. So we've been fighting and saying it's not enough that you committed to it. We needed in place and then I was up until the last hour. They were committed to cutting the help from 2000 to $1,600. And we said that is wrong in a second wave when people might be losing their jobs again, there might be locked down the Canadians that cannot go back to work those in tourism in service sectors and Hospitality who simply don't have a job to return to we cannot cut the support they receive so those are two vital things wage agency things and we're really proud of the work that we put into making sure the government did not go down the wrong path of cutting the help we forced him to keep the help and to commit to what they had promised to do months ago. Yep. You two things the liberal government knew that we wanted for months. I don't know why it took them so long but we stayed strong and fought till the end to make sure these two really important components of a response. It takes care of people, please write what they wanted to give you something and maybe they held back until we got to this point. I'm just wondering if you couldn't have asked for more given the fact that conservatives and the Bloc quebecois are playing Hardball. They said that they're not going to support this maybe they're doing that because they know that you're going to Well, I don't know why the Block in the in the conservatives are feeling every step of the way to actually win and fight for Canadians to get something done for people. I don't know why they're not taking the opportunity to do that. But I can tell you for sure throughout the pandemic every step of the way when people were excluded we fought for them students were completely ignored. We fought to bring in a c e s b which was not on the tables at all. The Liberals had not considered it off. We fought to bring in serve in the first place initially liberals were talking about changing and we said no we need direct financial support to all Canadians. They initially started a thousand we fought to make it mm the wage subsidy. They had put openly at 10% We set it has to be at least 75% So that workers can still be connected to those jobs every step of the way. We've been fighting to make sure people get help and there's still much more to do and and this is the point in it because I mean the Liberals need you to in order to pass this and to avoid an election which seems nobody really wants right. Now. You have a lot of Leverage. It seems you have a lot of Leverage. Are you really? Um, I mean isn't there more you could push for your agenda given the strength of your position right now? Well, we're the fourth party and I've just listed a pretty massive amount of support that we were able to win over the past couple of months. I would challenge anyone to come up with another minority German. We're in recent history. This many victories are one four people. So we're going to continue to do that. I I've been saying from beginning that I'm worried about people and what they're going through Thursday. I know that there's a lot of uncertainty and insecurity and so every step of the way we're trying to find what is it? What is something that will help people right now immediately dealing with this crisis and so far we fought for real these two components that the amount of money to remain the same and the paid-sick-leave and there'll be more how next things that we think about our our testing and seniors and long-term care. I think the practice should be removed there should never be profit. And as a question when it comes to the care of seniors, we know that a lot of families can't go back to work particularly women. So childcare is really fundamental and priority. Peace for us to fight for and and we know that moving forward the recovery cannot be something that everyday people work working class people have to pay for but those who profited off depending should be the ones wage pay for the recovery. So those are some of the priorities that we have moving forward, but there are certain emergencies like that because we're just the last thing you said you're talking you mentioned this last night as well. You talking about wealth wealth tax. I mean, what's a good? What is it? What are the chances that the Liberals would ever accept a wealth text. Well, I mean there are unable to even say the words in the throne speech. They say taxing extreme wealth inequality. I don't know how old taxes inequality but I certainly know how we can tax. Well extreme wealth and we proposed that those who have fortunes of over twenty million should be paying their fair share. We should close the loopholes that allow companies to make profits and off but not pay any taxes in Canada. And we also need to end the scenario where you've got companies like Amazon and Netflix will meet massive profits during this pandemic that also virtually pay no profit wage. No taxes here despite making profits here. There's a lot that we can do to raise revenue. It should not fall on every day families to pay for this pandemic right? But again, it just just briefly the closest. So I mean you walk in position to actually push for a lot of this including things that there were now promised again, I guess the national Child Care Program pharmacare urine into position that you could you could get a fair bit of the n d. And on the books couldn't you? Well, we're we're trying our best to to fight for Canadians. And and for me the priority is right. Now we know two days from now people are going to be faced with their serve ending so that was an emerging and that's a priority and there's lots of people that are still working while they're sick and append emack. So those are two really emergency immediate needs and we're going to continue to fight for the immediate needs of Canadians as well as a longer-term planning in terms of recovery. We will leave it. There was just saying thank you. Thank you very much drug meeting is the leader of the NDP. We reached him in Ottawa. Right now we're being told over and over again about the importance of wearing masks. But for Joshua Wong wearing a mask could mean prison time today. The Hong Kong pro-democracy activists was arrested and charged with taking part in an unauthorized assembly last October just after a law Banning masks during protests came into effect. He was also charged with violating the mask law after he was released on bail. Mr. Wang spoke with the Hong Kong Free Press even facing the maximum penalties of five years in jail related unauthorized assembly and 1 years in jail of wearing a mask. Probably on the empty Maslow as no regret at all, because the first can't defeat us make us even strong determination. And even I might be a bit hired under the cross-examination and also Thursday, we don't have an interview inside the police station being questioned by those police sergeant and officers. I still realize that that's my responsibility Duty admission. Let the voice of Hong Kong Being hurt and that's the reason for me continue the fight and I realized there's no reason for us to give up pro-democracy activists Joshua Wong speaking today after he was released on bail off in law is a fellow pro-democracy activists who led the umbrella movement alongside. Mr. Wang, but after the new National Security Law was enacted in July Mister La fled to London. That's where we reached him today about Nathan. First of all, what do you make of these charges against Joshua Wong who we just heard they're saying that he has no regrets. He was arrested for wearing a mask. Yeah. It's definitely a dog person and he's the most tenacious person I've ever met and regarding to the case. It was so observed that they charge him for an unauthorized Emily and also wearing a message regarding an event last year and it's obvious and warning signal from the government saying that while we can arrest you and charged you whenever you want whenever the authority wants dead. With the most upsets charge he was also charged with knowingly taking part in an unauthorized assembly. Is that right? Yes. Yes. This is trash the government boys used to prosecute a political dissidents and he wasn't alone another activist who who was also charged with that. Can you tell us about him? Yeah. He's a democratic veteran and has been involved in social movement for that cakes and he is recently downloaded with a cancer. So he is actually fighting wage is lives in the hospital and his now suddenly being arrested again because if he took part in a demonstration last year you pointing out these jobs, they're being arrested both men were arrested for things that happened some time ago. Why do you think there are now pursuing Joshua and Coosa you for things that happened last year wage? So I think specifically for Joshua under the national security law. Joshua is in grave danger as we all know, there's always been the target of the governments and by arresting him and charging once more. It sends a strong signal to Joshua that basically telling jokes are not to do anything else. Otherwise, we will arrest you under the National Security Law wage is much more Draconian and the maximum penalty will be less on sentencing. I think that kind of like intimidation is clear speaking the National Security Law. This is this is Draconian legislation that that many are very concerned about in Hong Kong but he wasn't charged under that National Security Law was he yeah, he was not about I think it's not yet found. The government is definitely having some plans on it it just a matter of time when the government think is politically suitable to do it. Do we know of of how many people who is being charged under that law? What are the consequences so far of that legislation? Yeah more than thirty people arrested under the law and because just the legal procedure has not finished yet. So we we still haven't seen any result of that but there are people being arrested just because they post a post on social media wage or the transfer is Logan or they have some stickers or flats that have the movements Cogan song. So it's clearly targeting freedom of expression and peaceful wage families rather than what the government has been saying the violent protests. There are three, I guess the most recognized of the pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong. Are you and I've also Joshua Wong who has been arrested. The other one is Agnes chow, and she has been charged under the new law hasn't she? Yes. Yep. She was arrested along side with Jimmy like a couple weeks ago and we were all shocked by by the arrest because that was so obvious political mood and thought it was definitely time consuming calculus and angles has not been really commenting on sensitive political issue since the law was in place. So I definitely a trauma patients to her. She possibly faces a lifetime imprisonment doesn't she Yes, and it really makes us so worried but she's a brave active person. I believe that she could calmly deal with all the way. Sure do you think the storm will pass it seems that what China is doing that with the Communist party is doing is is is working from its point of view because it has people in jail. It has people afraid it has you not even living in the country anymore fearing that you might be subjected to these same laws. So that is is is trying to actually winning in this regard. Well China actually risk a lot to implement the National Security Law as we have seen off the massive backlash of his actions and and the statement supporting Hong Kong from all the other countries. So I think that is actually a desperate move from the from from the government and even though it could like sign of people in short-term that kind of high pressure situation is not sustainable and there's a really much that though. You can do given that well, you're the I guess one of the last few people the the leadership that is not facing these kinds of charges. They they want to charge you and but you're in in Exile is there much that you can do actually to try and keep this momentum going and Hong Kong charged is not the only way to contribute to the movement. Will understand that that is important International front of the movement, which we need to Garner more support from the democracies. So for me, my my duty is to be the voice of off because under the National Security Law. There are many things that you cannot speak on the ground because the government could trauma cases on you in regards to what you have spoken, but for me, I am free from the threats of National Security Law, and I could speak all the things freely and to build that consensus in the restaurant democracies of going out with the human rights violations in China. So I think my role that they're still certain things. I could even though. I'm not in Hong Kong Nathan. We will leave it there and we'll keep in touch and we'll appreciate you speaking with us today. Thank you. Thank you so much, bye-bye. Make some law is a pro-democracy activists who fled Hong Kong in July. We reached him in London. You couldn't say he died since he never existed. But Uncle Ben of Uncle Ben's rice is no longer with us the company that makes the brand said it will drop the name and logo because of its racist connotations. Now, the rice will be sold simply as Ben's original and now it has a new competitor Uncle peas rice. The new brand was created by Percy Miller a New Orleans entrepreneur better known as the rapper and producer Master P. We reached him in Los Angeles Master P. First of all, what do you make of the departure of Uncle Ben? Well, it was shocking and I think that it was a long time coming when we think of Uncle Ben. We think of the mockery for African American wage, which we all spent a lot of money into that brand in their private thinking that it was African-American owned the thinking that you know, it was us it was our Culture Club grandparents made me buy that product cuz when they seen black faces on that it connected to us as a culture. And what did that image that this picture Uncle been a black man with white hair wearing the bow tie. What does he represent? Well what we understand now, he's a model and he signed a lifetime contract for $50 and what it represents now to us is when you look at the the black lives matter movement is Injustice. It's not nothing that's doing nothing to help our cultural Community out people but I take my head off to Quaker Oats for dead taking it off the shelf, but you know, I'm kind of puzzled what's going on with it. Now the image itself. It's evokes the idea of servitude. Doesn't it that this is a man who is is serving others with his wearing the bow tie and he's not the only model of that nature or the images. The other one is Aunt Jemima who is also now our understand is off to come off the packaging and I guess that that's a stereotype of I guess the Mammy a black woman who would serve the her white Masters. How do you think why do you think that's been around for so long? Well, like I said, I mean, it's African-Americans you walk in the store. It's just exciting to see that it's somebody look like you on a package. So imagine if it had real private that can connect to people that we can give back to the culture. We could educate and feed our families off of this page in his brand and that's the thing that's missing the diversity putting package full Goods on the shelves being able to connect to people that look like us economically for us to change the Injustice. Then we have to be able to put money back in a community off of these products and Brands and you're not just talking through your hat and that one you've actually gone the distance and created alternative products to Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemima's and that's products. That would actually read Resent you think that the black community? Yeah. Well it represent the African American community in all Community cuz I'm just saying that diversity. We just need something to age in these grocery stores to say that we can Empower our culture now community and that's what I've done. I've created a brand Uncle P brand what we have the rice the pancake syrup. We came out meal we have grids. We have noodles we have cereal we are creating a brand that's giving our people opportunities giving our people jobs. We able to put money back into the community the more we make the more we give you know, it's a real person that come from the struggle and pain that understand economic empowerment that want to help the Next Generation off and I just think that this is so important for us as a culture. They made billions of dollars off of us imagine. You got real people real people that care about the community and the culture and that's investing back into the community and the Culture Club just tells a bit more about how you how your business will benefit to black community. Yes. Well give him back to the elderly cuz people forget about the elders making show that they have shelled to make sure the exact closing the you educate in the U the more we make the more we give scholarship programs put money back in the community buildings safe havens for these kids off unity and that's what Uncle P product is about PG Foods building Productions building warehouses building factories with people that look like us giving jobs being a verse for the community saying that look what we are doing with not just talking about it. We actually doing it. Now your Instagram says when we owned the product we control our future do you think that others will pick up on this that you'll see other products like yours that will be on the shelves? Yes. So for me, we just a spark plug we want thousands of African American Latinos Menards to own a product and say that we created this this controllers and that's how we control our future this how we able to send our kids to college and not send them to prison this how we save our community we buy off blocks back with not burning them down. This is this is the start that all start with ownership it all start with ownership, which do you look at even the top fortune five hundred companies wage is only two African American. CEOs so we have to change that narrative and this is how we start because if we don't own the company, how can we control it narrative to make a change in our community wage at least brutality equality. It's it's it's all economics. I don't want this to stop at us. I want to create thousands of Brands. So where did you see the diversity in these stores? And I tell anybody that's coming up with product no ideas of whack ideal believing it master your product and make sure you have good taste thousand private and you can't change the game and we we will change the game together. This is a movement when you talk about the African American culture that we're taking over. The shelving space and replacing it with real African American-owned product Master P. It's really good to talk to you. Thank you. Thank you, bye-bye. Master P also known as Percy Miller is a rapper and entrepreneur. He was in Los Angeles. You can find that interview on our website cbc.ca each month. Hi, I'm Michelle Shephard host of uncover sharmini from CBC podcasts in nineteen. Ninety nine fifteen year-old sharmini and on devel disappeared on her way to a job that police believed in exist wage for months later. Her remains were found in a wooded Ravine. 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Tom mountainy is a salmon fishermen who works for petuna aquaculture. He's been helping Rescuers lug healthy Wales back out to see all week. He found Evan Port Australia time. I know you're about to head out on the water again today. What do you expect to see out there? I think when we get out there this morning, we're going to find out probably hoping for that 20 more miles to say, I think the total was was 88 up until last night that we've managed to get back. You been doing this for days alone now, so what does it feel like in terms of what you've accomplished? It's been a fun experience pretty I think pretty rewarding. I mean, yeah, it's been a fairly natural event. We've just yep. What we can to save as many of these whales as we can get really big team on the ground. I think the morale is actually quite High given how how sad whole event is just seeing, you know, quite a quite a decent amount of Wales actually swimming fingered. Can you just describe what the strategy has been? What do you how do you go about rescuing the whales majority of the wild we tried to say that then sort of up on a sandbank about 3,000 miles from from the ocean up inside the harbor and were able to use use the jet boats that we have from the fish farms to sort of straddle the the whales off in the South we prepared all the ground crew on while map just sort of gently guided me out to sea and release them and as you're doing that how much contact you have with the animals? Yeah quite a bit of money, especially if y'all began it's taking probably about 12 or more people for each while to prepare them in these things. And then the guys on the boat. Are we spending quite a bit of time to to gently wage? Secure them to the side and they're trying to take two at a time. So I want an excited boat. So yeah, it's quite a bit of contact and it takes about half an hour each trip. They spend a bit of time with the whales and try and keep them calm. And now am having the same thing pretty good and it just for people who have never seen one what these are pilot. Whales can you just tell us how large they are all the Wilds the big ones are young ladies and over about three tons of carbs are quite small. So probably you imagine like a fairly small dolphin. So those those cars were actually able to lift onto the boat down and and then take them other out at the same time and release them together, which has been a pretty good strategy. I think you've been able to identify the Cavs of the mothers you be able to find them together and and cuz because they you can't separate them right that would that would be counterproductive they try to get back. So how are you managing that when it's a mother and her baby usually the the babies just just basically swimming wage. Around the mother. So the mothers stranded on the sandbank, but there's still enough water for the car to swim. So the the mother is still being alive, but unable to really move that you can hear them communicating and yeah, obviously the the stress but at the same time we can we can sort of get the the mother in the in the swing get them to the boat and the captain going it'll just hang around and then we the 12 or more people we can we can try and grab that. Get it off in the boat and then release them will shine asleep. Yeah, let's see you mentioned that there are remarkably calm and other people who have been involved in this kind of whale rescue bots have remarked that it's it seems that the whales know what you're trying to do. Do you have that impression? I think so like being such a you know, big and very strong animal you see when they are struggling their lifestyles are extremely strong and they can move extremely quick but when you've got them, you know around people and trying to move them. They they're really quite calm. I mean, they're moving a little bit but they're not they're not really coughing. Much danger to pay for it just yet remarkably can't which is is making it a lot easier than it would be so struggling so you're having people who are who are experts who are helping you with this, but for the most part there are those who are involved in this whale rescue are they volunteers? I think the majority of volunteers there's the the experts are certainly coordinating it and then there's three fish farm operators off the harbor and they've they've all put in including myself from proper. Tuna. We've got the the jet boats and we all obviously quite proficient at the rigging and dealing with the same. So that's what we're quite well with actually transporting the oils everyone sort of after moving as he really got quite a bit of a system in place and got pretty proficient at it. And when do you get the wheels on the sides of wage and you're taking them back out especially with the babies kept them out to see what's it like when you release them? Yeah, like I saw the hang around the boat for the 30 or more seconds, and then then there's other boats. Yep. Smoking sort of hurting them and trying to keep them together and and not let them come back in obviously with so much distress in the harbor and so much noise that they're probably still calling out to those those whales so they attempted to come back out of the the ID. I we didn't see any get ready to go as far as I know they were tagged so we will know a girl's end back up on the beach but to my knowledge they've all gone out the city and Worcester got success because there's always that issue isn't there that they try to go back in because they the ones that have been left behind the ones who are possibly dead. They have contracts they they they returned to them right? That's that's one of the problems with trying to save whales in this way. Yeah, that's right. I think geographically where the whales are and we're taking wage is quite a distance. So they go out through its called hell's Gates and Cory hardrict the narrow passage that they've actually made it through to get beached. So we're returning them back out through there is actually quite a bit of suck. Upload current as well and out around a fairly Rocky outcrop, which you know, I'm not not too sure but maybe enough to sort of break that communication and and maybe that's what's helping us as well. It's been recorded not being reported as the possibly the largest whale stranding that anyone's ever seen. Have you ever seen anything like this yourself? Not definitely not. I mean, I think I think we have ten years ago in in the same place. There was a Amana one which might have been fifty or so animals heard by a New Zealand a few years ago, which was two hundred or more. But yeah, this is this scale sort of Buzz or later weights. And when do you have to turn to that gruesome and sign a task of dealing with those who are dead plants sort of been put together as we speak and I think they it's one of those things where they need to need to start sooner rather than later I think wage while while it's a relatively fresh it makes it will make life a lot easier. I know that it's early in the morning there in Australia and you're heading out to sea to do that work and Tom I'm glad you had time to practice this morning. Thank you. No worries at all. Thanks for having me by by Tom Milne is a salmon fishermen with petunia aquaculture. He's been helping with the pilot whale rescue operation on the west coast of Tasmania this week. He was in devonport, Australia. Parliament resumed today for the first full day since the death of John Turner MPS took the opportunity to offer a few words in celebration of the former liberal prime minister and the conservatives weren't just paying respect to a performer political opponent Deputy leader Candice Bergen explained that the old Progressive conservatives owed Mister Turner a debt. It seems that he saved the life of one of their leaders. We have a tendency moments like this to turn men into monuments and with the prime minister with the past as an Olympian athlete and a Rhodes scholar that would be very easy to do but to Canadians who shared their stories this week of a man who remembered their names years after first meeting them of a politician who inspired them to get off the couch of an adversary with without a shred of malebolge his heart the John Turner who comes through is one who always had more interest in being a person than he ever had in being a portrait. As The Story Goes and this is a very interesting one and one when I first heard Mister speaker, I almost quite well I did question. Is this actually true and when I tell you this story for those of you who haven't heard it, I thought you're going to share my my awe in this story. So as The Story Goes The Young liberal MP John Turner and his wife were vacationing in Barbados while on the beach one morning, his wife noticed a man out for a swim who appeared to be in trouble. The surf was rough that day. There was a strong undertow and the elderly man was not a strong swimmer Mr. Turner's wife anxiously allergic her husband to the situation the young MP who was a competitive swimmer in his university days without hesitation plunged into the surf grass the man in a life-saving hold he struggled against the undertow and finally made it back to shore once on the beach Mister Turner set out to give the man mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. When the when the the resuscitated gentleman came to his senses who was the person that Mr. Turner had saved none other than Progressive conservative leader and former prime minister and the then off of the opposition John diefenbaker. Isn't that unbelievable? It's one thing running into a colleague on a holiday. It's one thing running into an opposition colleague on a holiday. It's another thing back in that individual's life. But what what an amazing story and what a wonderful story I was conservative Deputy leader Candice Bergen paying tribute to the late liberal prime minister John Turner today in the House of Commons. A New York man. Wanted to give the middle finger to his local Town authorities, but he did so by erecting another kind of rude appendage in his front yard for all to see and now his penile protest. He landed him in court. We reached Jamie gagne in Wilton New York, Jamie. First of all, what inspired you to erect this symbol of protest election. My wife's I am I had can some of Information Act requests back in the town was tired detailed what was going on with my life building permit cuz they were refusing to talk to me. This is a building permit. If you were trying to get a shed built and you found out that you couldn't they were saying you had didn't have the right permits, right? Yeah. I was getting a little frustrated and wanted to draw their attention and Kind of brute force a conversation. So your way of communicating with them was too too. Well install a giant penis on your front lawn. Is that right? That's correct. It was about seven feet tall i-card it with a chainsaw. Okay, so I'm seeing images it's hard to get images because the other news media are sort of blocking it out. But from what I've seen a it's a has a lot of detail in it that you did this with a chainsaw. Yep with chainsaw was my first chainsaw carving actually and I've always been an artist at heart so I came after Okay. So this this is radio, so maybe you could describe your wouldn't penis for us. It's 73,000. It's got a little bit of veins the chip is very well-shaped. I don't know. It's it's very anatomically, correct in which direction and what is it pointing? I mean birth Has a particular trajectory doesn't it? So Not only was I having problems with the town itself, but I was the neighborhood that had recently moved in across the street was making a lot of complaints about what basically reporting every activity that I was doing to the town and he's got a camera set-up pointed at my house and and it was it was getting really irritating. So I pointed it directly at his front door to kind of send a message to stop being a jerk. How did The Neighbourhood response most of the neighbors actually thought it was hilarious. I never had traffic slowed down to such a crawl in front of my house before everybody was just stopping and turning around taking pictures. A lot of people just like with hilarious. It just took one person to file a complaint with the The police before they took action against me. Okay, what happened with the police showed up the first day it was a State Trooper stop by and he just kind of stopped by to check it out. He I asked him if there was any problem and you said well not not at the moment everything, you know, maybe if somebody files a complaint there could be but I did mention that if it was not erect it would have been part but erect penis is not part, but we're not that drunk sense to me. So but I did think it was interesting that you mentioned it and he knew so much about penis part. But it was about nine days later after I directed The Statue but Tuesday through first came to my house at 8 in the morning and they told me that to age is going to have to happen one the statue have to come down and to I had to go to the station with them to get processed and arrested actually got books in handcuffs and brought down to the station. So you got cuffed put in the in the what were you charged with penal code violation of displaying of pornographic material? Penalizing penal. Yes. Yes p e n a l as in yeah, so what what kind of a charge that what could be the consequences of that? It's a misdemeanor criminal charge and I could be spacing one year in jail or $1,000 fine. Have you had a day in court yet? So I finally had my first court appearance Tuesday and it's looking like everything is going it's too early to tell but it's looking like it's going to get dismissed. My lawyer is took that the law doesn't even apply that is this is very clearly First Amendment case Christmas First Amendment protected conduct of freedom of speech and free expression. So it should get thrown out. It's looking like so creating a giant penis and putting it in your front yard. Whether it's you wrecked or not is still considered to be a matter of free expression in the United States. That's correct. Yes, you said okay, the two things happened that you got arrested and that you were supposed to take the penis down. Where is the penis now. I have a set it back up in the back yard. I had a lot of fans stopping by and asking about it wanting to see it. So I put it back up my backyard. It's not currently visible from the road, And if you win will you put it back up front? Absolutely and point it pointed at the same neighbor. I may not pointed up that neighbor or anything anymore. My biggest quality. I was really with the town really. I just I just want to finish building my workshop. This is my primary goal. So that's that's what I'm shooting for. But if I went in court, I will put it back up and once my workshop wage Complete I will either auction it off or perhaps rent it to other disgruntled residents who have shown interest in borrowing it. They feel they're right. I want to make a point. Yep. It works pretty well Jamie. It's good to talk to you. Thanks. Thank you, bye-bye. 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