Jimmy Hoffa Pt. 2

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July Thirtieth Nineteen, seventy five, not a cloud in the sky in Pontiac Michigan. Wildlife. Called peacefully across the lakes until a plane hummed over the horizon startling them, the craft flew so low. It nearly skimmed the surface of the great. Lakes inside were three men all dressed for business. All armed with guns, badges, and the same stern look on their faces is they stared at the man across from them. The handcuffed man return there stare trying to appear apathetic. He looked rather unassuming in a dark polo in slacks. Yet, his hand shook like a man in serious trouble, he told the federal officers, his wife was waiting for him at home. He promised to cook her stakes. She'd worry if they took too long, one agent replied. I'm sorry to say, but your wife, maybe dining alone, the other agent pulled the door of the plane open. They forced the unassuming man towards the edge and taunted him saying you've gotTa love that view before he could respond one of the agents shove the man he plummeted through the air toward Lake Michigan. Landing, with an unforgettable splash, the former captive would never be seen again. Welcome to conspiracy theories a podcast original, every Monday and Wednesday. We dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events and search for the truth I'm Carter Roy, and I'm only Brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists, but we are open minded skeptical and curious don't get US wrong. Sometimes, the official version is the truth. Sometimes, it's not. You can find episodes of conspiracy theories and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream conspiracy theories for free on spotify, just open the APP and type conspiracy theories in the search bar. This is our second episode on Jimmy Hoffa. The former president of the teamsters labor union who disappeared on July. Thirtieth. Nineteen, seventy, five throughout his career. Jimmy. Rope the Union into illicit business ventures and gave money to the mob, combine his role as a union leader with his high up mob connections and the US government wanted him gone last time. We covered his rivalry with Senator Bobby Kennedy and HOFFA'S SCHEMES TO BRIBE, President Nixon to release him from prison. But not long after he got out. Jimmy Hoffa disappeared off the face of Detroit. Today, we'll look at the conspiracy theories surrounding Hoffa's disappearance first off conspiracy theory number one. Jimmy Hoffa was killed by federal agents who wanted to ensure frank fitzsimmons maintain the role of teamster president. Conspiracy theory number two, Jimmy Hoffa was murdered by serial killer and Mafia hitman Richard. The ICEMAN. Kuklinski. At the time Kuklinski was known for making people disappear and conspiracy theory, number three, Jimmy was killed by his longtime friend and associate frank, the Irishman Sheeran who was sent by Mafia Don Russell Bufalino to keep Jimmy quiet. Have all that and more coming up, stay with. US. To this day, no one has been convicted for Jimmy Hoffa's mysterious disappearance in nineteen, seventy, five over the years. The FBI narrowed their search to nine suspects, all of whom were involved with either the teamsters or the Mafia. Get each of them pled the fifth when brought before grand jury. The lack of evidence makes the death of Jimmy Hoffa. One of the most notorious cold cases in history, and it doesn't help that his body was never found not for lack of trying tips on Jimmy Hoffa's missing corpse led the FBI on a wild goose chase across the country Mafia hitman Donald, Tony. The Greek Franco's claimed that new. Jersey. Mafia dismembered Jimmy and buried him in the end zone of giants stadium anonymous tip suggested that Tony Pro and his associate Salvatori Bruguera Leo. Murder. And ground him into pieces than they scattered him in the Florida everglades. But there was one eyewitness testimony that led to new suspects, not the mafia nor the teamsters, the federal government which brings us to conspiracy theory number one. Jimmy was killed by federal agents perhaps on orders from a former president. The theory starts with a man named Joseph Franko. Franco was a former aide and strong arm for the teamsters for over thirty years. He was closely tied to the mafia, but he also worked intimately with Jimmy Hoffa Franco was called to testify before the grand jury twice regarding Jimmy. HOFFA's disappearance. Franko claimed he was worried about exposing the truth. He didn't want anyone to come after him. So he never told the jury what he saw and stayed silent about what he witnessed that July afternoon until nineteen, eighty, seven when Franko published his book offers. Man. Franco's story went something like this. On the day of Jimmy's disappearance, Franko happened to be at the same shopping center as the mattress Red Fox restaurant where Jimmy was set to meet the two tonys. Franko said he was there on personal business. It's unclear if that meant Franko is there for the meeting or it was completely unrelated leaving the Strip Mall Franko notice Jimmy standing by his Green Pontiac in the parking lot. by Franco's estimating Jimmy, probably just phoned his wife and was headed back to the car Franko, didn't have time to approach before a black. Ford Ltd pulled up beside Jimmy. According to Franco to federal marshalls or federal agents stepped out of the vehicle and flashed their badges Jimmy talked to them for a moment, and then climbed into the fords backseat without protest. The car exited the LA. Down Telegraph road around two forty, five PM Franko, hopped in his own car and pursued them to the small Pontiac Oakland airport. This was a public use airport that housed private planes, but Franko didn't have clearance. Clearance to follow the Ford inside the gates of the airfield, Franko waited and watched for a while it's not clear how long could have been ten minutes maybe a couple of hours, but Franko insists the Ford Ltd never exited back onto the main road. He says the only way Jimmy could have left. The airport was by plane and sense Jimmy was never seen again. Franko insists the feds were responsible for his disappearance. In fact he believes government agents may have pushed Jimmy out of the plane over the great. Lakes. After a decade-long rivalry with the federal government, it's not hard to see why they may have wanted Jimmy out of the picture. And at the time of his disappearance, Jimmy was threatening to expose the shady practices of current teamster president. Frank. fitzsimmons fitzsimmons allowed the mafia to withdraw vast sums of money from the unions pension accounts. At the same time, fits was making regular contributions to Richard. Nixon's campaign. Now, Hoffa had done a similar thing allowing mafiosos to borrow money from the teamsters to build casinos. That's how he wound up in jail, and he'd been involved with donations to Nixon to get back out of jail, but fitzsimmons had successfully kept his mob ties a secret. This grew more complicated because Nixon and Fitzsimmons were publicly aligned as well. The two appeared on television together on one occasion on their relationship wasn't a secret. If fits is ties to the mob came out, it could be detrimental to Nixon's career, perhaps even send him to jail. But there are a few holes here. Like, the fact that Franco waited until nineteen eighty. To publish his account. In Jimmy's son, James P. Hoffa publicly denied the claims and Franco's books and said that a Franko was truly a witness. Then he should have come forward twelve years. Prior. Franko did admit that he was afraid of challenging the feds the time. He said, he was worried he'd get wacked or sent to prison, and in one thousand, nine, hundred, seven Franko said, he'd take a lie detector test. If he was granted federal immunity, he also said he could identify one of the Federal Agency saw that day. If a photo was provided, Franko also defended his argument by hinting that other great leaders of this period may have been assassinated by the government. We've covered a few of these previously, but conspiracy theories suggest that the C. I. A. Hired Lee Harvey Oswald to kill John F.. Kennedy. and Bobby, Kennedy's assassin was allegedly a victim of government mind control even Martin. Luther. King Junior was thought to be assassinated by the FBI, still the FBI. Roth. Franco's claims since they came out. So many years after Jimmy, HOFFA's disappearance. They never searched the Great Lakes for Jimmy's body probably because they felt the accusations were unsubstantiated or because they were directly involved in the disappearance. Still Franco never could provide proof of what he saw that day. As far as we can tell, he never took a lie detector test nor did he get to validate his theories with photos of former agents? which leads us to the biggest plot hole in Franco's theory. Nixon had already resigned by nineteen, seventy five when Jimmy went missing. He resigned in Nineteen, seventy four after the disgrace of Watergate. So. Why would Nixon Care About Jimmy? Exposing his ties to the mob at that point. And how would he have sway over federal agents? Let me. Remind you Nixon used former CIA and FBI agents in the Watergate scandal. So it's possible. He also used former agents to threaten or kill Jimmy Hoffa. President. Ford Pardon, Richard Nixon, which meant he couldn't be indicted over the scandal. But if we're got out that he received dirty money from the mob via Fitzsimmons and use that to fund Watergate. That could have led to an even larger mess. Did Nixon had the motive? Sure but the resources probably not? It seems like Franco's story was nothing more than a publicity stunt. So on a scale of one to ten with ten, being very likely and one being very unlikely I'd give this theory a to at of ten. Give it a three. The sticking point for me is the connection to Nixon and Watergate. We know what Nixon was capable of and how far he'd go to get what he wanted. Wouldn't put it past him to attempt to have Hoffa eliminated to save his own skin. That said there were far more bloodthirsty individuals with motive to put a hit on Jimmy? HOFFA. Including, they known serial killer. Coming up next the infamous serial killer. Richard. The iceman Cook Linski now back to the story. According to his friend and fellow teamster. Joseph Franco Jimmy. Hoffa was lured into a vehicle by federal agents in one, thousand, nine, seventy, five. Franko claims he tailed the agents to a private airfield believes Jimmy was put on a plane, then dropped into the Great Lakes never to be seen again, but there's little evidence to suggest. This was true. And President Nixon the only government figure with a motive to kill Jimmy had already resigned from office bought. Our second theory takes more sinister turn in July. Nineteen, seventy, five Jimmy. Hoffa was meeting MAFIOSOS, Tony Pro and Tony Jack at the matches. Red Fox. Restaurant. Jimmy and Tony Pro had been fighting since prison and the meeting was to settle their differences. Jimmy needed Tony pro support. If he was going to be reelected as teamsters union president, officially, the duo never showed and Jimmy got into another vehicle around two, forty, five PM. But that vehicle may have held both Tony's as well as their hitman which brings us to theory number two notorious serial killer and Mafia hitman Richard The iceman Kuklinski killed Jimmy Hoffa. Kuklinski was a monstrous man. He was six foot five and wait three hundred pounds. He had no distinct way of killing his victims. He was careful to never use the same weapon. Twice, his tools range from handguns and grenades to ice picks, chainsaws, hunting knives, and crowbars. He even admitted to shooting a motorist with a crossbow just to try out the weapon, he says most creative weapon was a nasal spray bottle filled with cyanide, his favourite victims, loudmouths, and those who angered him. But he had no problem killing at random eighteen, Kuklinski sold pornographic videos to the Gambino crime family. He built a friendship with mobster, Roy demeo. DEMEO had Kuklinski help was small crimes that I like petty theft, but Cook Linski told Demeo that his dream job was to kill for a living. So one day demeo pointed out a victim at random a man. Man was walking his dog down the streets of New York when Kuklinski's shot him in the head without hesitation after that Kuklinski became the main Hitman for multiple tri-state area crime families including the Genovese family which Tony. Pro Was a part of the mafia named Kuklinski the iceman because he would often store bodies in industrial grade freezers, then dispose of them later. This made it harder for a time of death to be determined in Hartford detectives to solve the crime. But Kuklinski also dismembered bodies tossed them in lakes or lit them on fire in a fifty, five gallon oil drum. Essentially, he knew how to cover up a dead body. As for how we know about this Kuklinski happily brags about his exploits to authors and psychologists. Over the years he took credit for almost two hundred different deaths. In the early two thousands, journalist Philip Carlos spent six weeks interviewing the iceman in prison Carlo published. Kuklinski's stories in his book, the ICEMAN confessions of a Mafia contract killer in two, thousand, six among Cook Linski as many violent confessions was the kidnap and murder of Jimmy, Hoffa by nineteen, seventy, five, Kuklinski. had been working as a Hitman for East Coast Mafia families for almost fifteen years. Yet. Kuklinski didn't know much about Jimmy Hoffa. The two had never met in Carlos Book. The ICEMAN Kuklinski says the order to kill Jimmy came from Tony P. who we can assume Antoni pro. Allegedly Mafia don. Russell Bufalino had permitted tony pro to execute the hit. So Tony Pro offered Kuklinski forty thousand dollars to do the job or roughly one. Hundred Ninety thousand dollars today. Kuklinski preferred to work alone. But agree to work with a team for this specific hit, he could tell it was important. Kuklinski only referred to the others as Gabe, Sal? And Tommy but they were likely fellow, Mafia members, Gabrielle and Salvatore Rubio and Thomas on drita. According to Kuklinski the four men and Tony Pro arrived in Detroit around mid morning on July. Thirtieth Nineteen, seventy, five, the day Jimmy went missing later that day the men drove to the matches Red Fox, restaurant Jimmy. Hoffa was waiting outside when they arrived allegedly tony pro got out of the car and chatted with Hoffa in the parking lot for a moment. Then he walked Hoffa back to the car. Tony Pro got in the front seat and Jimmy Hoffa got in the back. With a crowbar, his hand Kuklinski waited for his signal. After. A couple of miles, tony pro nodded, and Kuklinski knocked Jimmy unconscious Kuklinski. Then drew a hunting knife in positioned it at the base of Jimmy Skull. He thrust the knife directly into. Jimmy. HOFFA's in the group pulled over at a nearby rest stop and put Jimmy's. Into, a body bag. They then threw him into the trunk of the Car Tony Pro one to take Jimmy's body back to New Jersey. So they could put some distance between the crime and the evidence. Kuklinski volunteer to drive the body back while the others took a bus home Kuklinski. In New Jersey that night and went straight to a mob own junkyard in Newark. He. Put Jimmy's body in a fifty gallon drum in doused it with gasoline. Kuklinski says he welded the drum shut and burn it for thirty minutes before bearing it in the junkyard. Later, Kuklinski heard that sal. Gulia had been talking to the feds. It was just a rumor. But as a precaution Kuklinski returned to the Junkyard and dug up the drum, he placed the drum in the trunk of an old car and took the car to a junkyard. It was then smashed into a two by four foot cube in a compressor. Cook Linski believes Jimmy's compacted remains were then sold with a scrap metal to Japan. The detail that Kuklinski used to describe Jimmy's murder was extremely chilling. Kuklinski claimed to have known gyms biggest rival Tony Pro since they were kids. But could Kalinski was known for exaggerating? Philip Carlo had two hundred and forty hours of audio recordings from Kuklinski. Many of his stories became more gruesome and twisted as the tapes went on former FBI agent Robert Garrity. Said, that could Kalinski story about Jimmy was the quote most embarrassing one to date and quote he dismissed the killer as a fantasist and didn't help the Cook Linski couldn't keep his story is consistent. The number of deaths he claimed responsibility for ranged between thirty and two hundred, still officer. Patrick Kane who arrested Kuklinski in Nineteen eighty-six. Believe that Kuklinski was responsible for Jimmy. HOFFA's death. He was quoted saying who is a more likely candidate to do this than him despite that? It wasn't until he was interviewed for Carlos Two, thousand, six buck. That could Kalinski finally took credit for Jimmy? Death? and He seems like the kind of man who loved to sound his own horn, all the fact that he waited. So long to take credit for this famous murder is a bit suspicious. He'd had multiple interviews before Carlo including some with HBO. What seals it for me is, there's no evidence other than Kuklinski's confession. It's a compelling tale certainly. And it matches the known facts. But there's no proof. So as far as believe ability goes, I'm giving this theory, a three out of ten. I have to write this one a little bit higher, Kuklinski likely murdered more people than he was accused of I. Don't think all of his stories are true. But he makes himself seem like a professional and he had some pretty creative ways to get rid of evidence hand dead bodies for that, I'll give this one. A five out of ten is more than capable, and there's a confession. One thing is obvious. Many people had a vendetta against Jimmy Hoffa particularly, Tony? Pro. And Russell Bufalino. If anyone had the motivations and resources to quietly take care of the problem, it was the Italian mob. They may not have contracted the ICEMAN, but they could have cut deeper by pushing one of Jimmy's. To execute the hit. Coming. Up Next, we'll look at frank the Irishman, Sheeran. Now back to the story. On July, Thirtieth Nineteen, seventy, five, Jimmy Hoffa waited outside the matches. Red, Fox restaurant for Tony Pro and Tony Jack to arrive. But according to I heard you paint houses by Charles, Brandt Jimmy Hoffa was expecting a third person that day frank. The Irishman Sheeran which brings us to our third and final conspiracy theory. Frank. The Irishman. Sharon received orders from Russell Bufalino to kill Jimmy Hoffa. Towering at six foot four, Sharon was an intimidating presence. At Age Twenty One, he enlisted in World War Two. There, he got his first taste of the dark side participating in revenge killings, mass executions when Sharon return to. Pennsylvania. He worked as a truck driver. He got married had kids, but he had a hard time supporting them. So he took up additional work as a nightclub bouncer. And engaged in petty theft in nineteen, fifty, five. Sharon was on his usual trucking route when his vehicle broke down. By coincidence Russell Bufalino saw him pulled over and helped repair it from then on Bufalino, took share and under his wing and hired him to act as muscle for the Sicilian mob. Bufalino got Sharon back on his feet. He the. Irishman. Well to intimidate enemies and make a few hits. He even connected Sheeran with Jimmy Hoffa. So that Sheeran could join the teamsters and his stake in the Pension Fund Sharon was a smart man who knew his place? He never asked questions knew when to keep his mouth shut and he had a stomach for crime. which is why he was perfect for mob hits. Though there are rumors of other mafiosos killing Jimmy Hoffa Sheeran story in I. Heard you paint houses is one of the most popular. It even inspired Martin Scorsese's two, thousand, nineteen film, the Irishman according to Shirin Jimmy had gone mad just a few weeks before his disappearance. Jimmy was so desperate to regain his position as teamsters union president, he was willing to expose the mafia to the government. If, he did this. It would hurt them off his access to the teamster pension fund which the Mafia had been stealing from. For years. They had taken billions to invest in their casinos in both Vegas Nevada and Havana Cuba. Unfortunately. Jimmy. Made the mistake of confiding in Sheeran sheeran leg Jimmy, but Sheeran's loyalties were with Russell. Bufalino. SHEERAN and Bufalino tried to warn Jimmy. Not to follow through with his threats, he had to keep the mafia secret, but Jimmy didn't listen. Something had to be done to keep him quiet on July twenty, ninth nineteen, seventy, five a day before he disappeared Jimmy, Hoffa asked Frank Sharon to join him at the meeting with Tony Pro in Tony. Jack. shearing agreed to be there. But when he asked Bufalino for permission to attend the meeting. Bufalino told him to hang back. Sharon knew Jimmy wasn't in trouble. His fears were confirmed when Bufalino told share in the plan, sheeran would personally carry out the hit. On Wednesday, July Thirtieth Nineteen, seventy, five share in claims. He and Bufalino got in the car with their wives and drove to Port Clinton Ohio. They were all headed to Bufalino daughter's wedding in Detroit. On the way they stopped at a diner. The women had coffee. While Bufalino, claim, they had a small errand to run. Sharing, would meet back up with them. Later, that night Bufalino drove Sharon to a private airport where he boarded a small plane in under an hour, he was in Michigan, were an empty car was waiting for him keys in the ignition. Sheeran drove to a brown shingles and occupied home in the Detroit suburbs when he walked in Salvatore reportedly Oh and brothers, Thomas and Stephen on Drita were waiting Burgio. Told Sharon that CECCHI O'Brien Jimmy's foster son was also joining them, but CECCHI was running late delivering fresh water salmon to a teamster official. The problem was Chucky was driving Tony Jacks son's car. A Burgundy Mercury Marquee. According to Shirin, they wanted to use this car for the hit because it was familiar to Jimmy. It's unclear why Sheeran felt this way. But maybe because chucky borrowed the car often and Chucky was one of the few people Jimmy felt he could trust. So if Jimmy saw a familiar car, he was more likely to get inside when Cecchi arrived Bre Guglielmo and Sheeran got in the car Chuckie wasn't informed of the hit, but he was part of the plan. Jimmy wouldn't resist getting in the car. If he saw Cecchi there together, they drove to the matches Red Fox restaurant and arrived around two forty, five PM. Jimmy. was calling his wife. Josephine when they arrived. When. Jimmy made his way back, his. Green. Pontiac. Chucky pulled up beside him. Chucky apologized for being late in Jimmy. Yelled at him. What are you even doing here? Bre Gulia informed Jimmy that he was an associate of Tony Pros. Frustrated Jimmy, yelled at Tony. Pro stood him up. Bystanders were staring. So sheeran spoke up. He told Jimmy that Bufalino wanted to meet with him. Jimmy got in the car and continued arguing for the few miles back to the house there Jimmy and Sharon got out while Burgio and chucky drove away in the Mercury Marquee Jimmy walked up to the front door with Sheeran following close behind Jimmy opened the door to the empty living room. No bufalino no. Mafia. No. Witnesses realizing he had left his gun in his Pontiac. Jimmy panicked and turned sharply bumping into. Sheeran. Jimmy tried to shove past Sheeran to get to the door. But he was unsuccessful Sheeran shot Jimmy twice in the head. Sheeran. Dropped the gun on the floor, gotten his car and drove back to the airport. He boarded the private plane and flew back to Port Clinton Ohio that night to rejoin Bufalino and his wife for the wedding sheeran says the ANDROMEDA brothers cleaned up the house input Jimmy in a body bag. Bufalino told Sheeran. They took Jimmy to a funeral parlor, but you're never confirmed if that was the truth. Following a few anonymous tips, the FBI searched all the mafia own funeral parlors in Detroit for Jimmy's ashes. They found nothing, but they did find Jimmy's hair in the trunk of that Mercury Marquee. However according to Shirin. Jimmy was never in the trunk. The FBI also searched the house where they hit supposedly took place. And while they did find blood, it didn't match Jimmy's still this story gave the FBI enough to question nine men. They believed were involved in the disappearance before a judge, they were Anthony Tony Pro Provenzano. Stephen. And Thomas, and Drena Russell Bufalino Salvatore and Gabriel Guglielmo Chuckie. O'Brien. Anthony. Tony, Jack Jack Loney and of course frank the Irishman Sheeran, they were all represented by Jimmy's former attorney. Bill Bufalino. Every one of them pleaded the fifth sheeran even pleaded the. When asked if the prosecutors yellow pen was yellow since the FEDS had no concrete evidence for a conviction, they offered immunity to anyone who came forward with information. About Jimmy's death or otherwise they wanted to put these men in prison for something. Especially, if they were going to get away with killing Jimmy Hoffa in nineteen, seventy, six charges rolled in Sal, Leo and Tony Pro were indicted with murder charges while Tony. Jack was convicted of tax fraud. Russell Bufalino was found guilty of extortion and the Andretti brothers and Gabri Guglielmo were charged with Labor racketeering meaning they exploited union workers for Prophet then in nineteen, eighty, eighty-two, sixty, two year old. Sharon was found guilty of eleven instances of labor racketeering. He was sentenced to thirty two years in prison. Check Yo Brian was cleared of suspicion by July. Thirtieth nineteen, eighty-two, the US government finally declared Jimmy Hoffa. Dead. Most of those men remain suspects in Jimmy's case remains open today. Sheeran story is accepted by some as a confession. But others close to Jimmy like his foster son Chuckie. O'Brien discredit Sharon's account as a work of fiction. Chucky claim that Sharon was known to be a pathological liar and shouldn't be trusted Jack. Goldsmith CECCHI stepson claimed Sheeran. Story was by far the greatest depiction of a false charge against my stepfather. Goldsmith worked for years to clear his stepfather's name. But let's consider the source here. Perhaps chucky the one person who wasn't. Wasn't charged with the crime is just trying to protect himself. Of course, he's not going to admit to his involvement or say Sheeran story is true. It's also important to note that Frank Sheeran denied involvement with Jimmy's murder for years in nineteen, ninety-five. Sheeran claimed that Salvatore Brazilio had killed Jimmy Hoffa, he didn't confess anything until he wrote his book which wasn't published until two, thousand, four a year after he died. Either way he lied at some point, notably, an early publishing deal for I. Heard you paint houses was thrown out. Sheeran was caught forging documents for the book including a fake letter from Jimmy. The letter was supposedly from the seventies, but forensics determined. It was written in the ninety s and called it laughable forgery. It's clear Sheeran was capable of ally. But the question is, was he doing it to protect himself and the men he was loyal to or was he just another person trying to make a buck off of the Jimmy Hoffa conspiracy due to the lack of evidence, and the fact that most of the suspects are now dead, we'll have to form our own conclusion. Which is why we're giving this a seven out of ten. Even if it wasn't Sheeran, who pulled the trigger events describes seem like a plausible final chapter in Jimmy. HOFFA's life. Jimmy upset the mob and the mob is well mob. If some was a threat, they took care of it. Sharon happened to be one of their most loyal hitmen and he was close to Jimmy Hoffa. I agree the most plausible theory points to Frank Sheeran. But unfortunately after forty four years of searching for Jimmy Hoffa's remains, there may never be a conclusive and his story. His family may never get the closure they deserve. His body may never be found his true story never told Mont one thing's for certain. Karma caught up with the duplicitous union leader. If he'd kept his dealings with the mob, the federal government and the teamsters above board, he never would have gone to that final lunch at the matches Red Fox restaurant. And as the old Sicilian, proverb goes. To kill a dog, you don't cut off its tail. Cut off its head. Thanks for tuning into to conspiracy theories, we'll be back Monday with a new episode. You can find all episodes of conspiracy theories and all other park originals for free on spotify. Of the many resources we used, we found I heard, you paint houses by Charles Brandt in Hoffa shadow by Jack Goldsmith and the iceman by Philip Carlo helpful to our research not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music. But now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like conspiracy theories for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream conspiracy theories on spotify, just open the APP and type. Type conspiracy theories in the search bar until then remember, the truth isn't always the best story and the official story isn't always the truth conspiracy theories was created by Max. Cutler is a podcast studios. Original executive producers include Max, and Ron Cutler sound design by Dick Schroeder, with production assistance by Ron Shapiro, carly, Madden, and Joshua. Kern. This episode of conspiracy theories was written by Taylor bright with writing assistance by Maggie Admire and Stars Molly Brandenburg and Carter Roy.

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