Day 1,092: Senate begins Trump impeachment as Giuliani cohort Parnas makes new allegations
Tonight members of the US Senate have taken a sworn oath to do impartial justice. The unusual side of the chief justice presiding it means the impeachment. Human trial is underway meantime on twitter. The leader of the most powerful nation on Earth said. I just got impeached for making a perfect phone. Call later in the day president. Trump says he's never met left Parnasse and doesn't know the guy all evidence to the contrary including the mounting photographic evidence of their time spent went together. Lev was back at tonight part two of his interview adding to the mountain of new material and by the way he says he was with trump when he ordered the firing of our ambassador Basseterre to Ukraine. Also tonight Lindsey Graham sounding very unlike the Lindsey Graham. We've come to know all of it as the eleventh hour gets underway. This Thursday night. Well good evening once again from NBC. News headquarters here in New York Day. One Thousand Thousand Nine hundred ninety two of the trump administration that means we have two hundred ninety two days to go until the twenty twenty presidential election. Donald Trump's impeachment trial is now officially underway right alongside his reelection campaign and even as we continue to sort through a mountain of new ooh potential evidence from a man initially described as a bag man for Rudy. Giuliani left Parnasse. Parnasse has been indicted in the southern outhern district of New York the feds in New York on campaign finance charges in his telling of what happened and what he was up to. What what he is describing off the book shadow foreign policy run by a former big city mayor at the direction of the trump White House? It reads if true like elements of some sort of criminal enterprise yesterday. Parnasse talk to our colleague Rachel Motto last night he described in great detail tale. How trump directed him through rudy to pressure Ukraine to open investigations on trump's political rival? Joe Biden he offered more detail l.. Just tonight in part two of the interview that goes against trump's claim that he was concerned about corruption in Ukraine Somehow Parnasse described how there were efforts to steer conversations with presidents alinsky and Ukrainian officials toward the topic of the Biden's every time somebody would means Alinsky the with Lake agree and then they will walk it back so the mountain something of corruption that he's going to be on the corruption but Giuliani blew his solidify. That saying. That's not what we discussed the wasn't supposed to be corruption. Invested announcement has to be about Joe Biden by the reason he said the name by needs to be spoken with always Parnis also straight up alleged tonight. The former secretary of Energy Rick Perry had been told by Rudy to convince against the Ukrainian government to announce an investigation into Joe Biden describes those and the president's immediate circle as a cult and he says he spent two years in Washington never left the trump hotel. He said he was with trump as we mentioned when I ordered the firing of Our Ukraine Ambassador Astor but today the president said he doesn't know and has never met this left Parnis response to whether foreigners you said that your your brain were all about twenty twenty. You just want a job. I don't know I don't know aren't as other than I guess they had pictures taken which I do thousands the people that I just. I don't know him at all. Don't know what he's about don't know where it comes from. No nothing about him they probably make a deal on it other than I guess he attended Ed fundraising. I'm in a room. I think thousands and thousands of fissures people all the time thousands I. I don't know him. Perhaps he's a fine man he's not. I know nothing about the warnings take. I don't know ooh the normally dependably trump friendly daily mail of all places took the liberty of putting together. They're a photo collage of some of the photos of the two men together and today the lawyer for Parnasse released this video of the two men together at mar-a-lago Lago back in two thousand sixteen and again Parnasse also offered up new details about what he says where the president's repeated efforts to fire are then then. US Ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich chief fired her. Probably at least to my knowledge at least four or five times to different he even had a breakdown and screamed fire. Heart's Madeleine has assistant secretary before he fired. And she said Mr President. I can't do that. He was directing directing the State Department to remove her in the State Department was refusing correct. Spoke to the president wants about that. We're twice once or twice once directly at our dinner when he fired her actually at the dinner which was the most surprising thing ever I tell me Marla basically at that dinner We had the conversation. It was like six of us. There was intimate dinner and I. It was trump hotel but it was at the Private like area. There looks like a little White House. The president was. Oh absolutely. Yeah it was. It was the president. was there his son John. Junior was there and let's back up. There was another big headline today. We learned today that the nonpartisan Partisan Government Accountability Office concluded the trump administration broke the law. When it ordered the months-long hold on that military aid? Hey the money to Ukraine approved by Congress this is an extraordinary finding by an agency like the GAO. Then there was this and let us is not forget how this day got underway for just the third time in our nation's history and impeachment trial is now underway in the. US Senate here. Here is some of what we witnessed Harry Harry. All persons are commanded to keep silent on pain of imprisonment it while the House of Representatives is exhibiting to the Senate of the United States articles of impeachment against Donald John Trump president of the United States. The managers on the part of the House will now proceed. Donald J trump president of the United States is impeached for high crimes crimes and misdemeanors. The House adopted the following resolution. which with the permission of the Senate I will read? President trump used the powers of the presidency in a manner under that compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process that presiding option will now administer the oath to John G Roberts shoot justice of the United States. Will you pay your left hand on the Bible. Raise your right hand do you solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald John Trump president of the United States. Now pending thing you will do impartial justice according to the constitution and the laws. So help you God I do. We'll all senators now stand or remain standing and raise their right hand. Do you solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment each moment of Donald John Trump president of the United States now pending you will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws. So help you God ought again. That's how this day got underway and here for our leadoff discussion on a Thursday night. Any Carney White House reporter with the New York Times Ashley Parker Pulitzer Prize winning White House reporter for the Washington Post and Shannon petty piece senior White House reporter for us at NBC. You See news digital good evening and welcome to you all anti. I'd like to move quickly to your new reporting on what was going on. Inside the White House as is that was getting underway well as that was getting underway. Donald Trump had on his schedule a public event in the Oval Office where he was supposed to be celebrating. Think announcing a new rule on prayer in schools that ended up being delayed by about an hour because John Roberts was being sworn in and the senators. We're going through this long roll. Call those take votes taking up the chirons and and we we. Donald Trump was spending his day in meetings and following along on television when he finally came out. We saw someone who tried to. WHO said basically we should? This should be a week when we're talking about my trade deals. The China a trade deal signed yesterday the USMC that passed the Senate today instead he's bogged down and what he called a hoax He's trying to dismiss say there's no story here in reality while the end result of the Senate trial most people are assuming he's going to be acquitted. There's a lot of unknowns for something where we know the end and Donald Trump is very aware of that and has been talking to allies expressing concern about his own legal team and whether they will look aggressive televised trial. He's he's concerned about. Not being able to call witnesses. Even though he's falling Mitch. McConnell's advice to keep the child short and that witnesses are only more unknowns And he's just worried in general about a Senate Republican senators not defecting. He needs only one more to say we do want to call witnesses and he's nervous about that. Happening happened and holding Republicans on his side. So there's a lot of unknowns and he feels uncertain about what's coming his way Ashley. Parker last night must not have been a great late night for team pants as left. Parnasse dropped the vice president's name like a lead balloon. Tell us about your new reporting on that front. So our new reporting sort of takes what left Parnassus said and it's worth noting. The allies of the president including White House Press Secretary Vice President. Didn't pence's chief of staff have called into question his credibility as someone who was facing criminal charges that said what he's been saying also backed up by a trove of documents and text messages suggestion calendars released by the house. We sort of when inside all of that and what we can see from. That is what starts off. As sort of an irregular shadow campaign gene to pressure Ukraine to trump's bidding and this is being spearheaded by Rudy Giuliani and left Parnasse and it's happening outside the traditional corridors in channels of government. There comes a moment when that sort of Intersex with official. US foreign policy in that moment is when president pence. Sorry President trump orders vice president pence to cancel a trip that was planning was underway for to Ukraine for presence. Alinsky is inauguration. In to be clear I've talked to senior administration. Officials who say Vice President Pence may very well not have known why his trip was being canceled. He did not know they say about any of these shadow back act channels with Giuliani and Parnasse. But when pence decides not to go to Ukraine that is the moment when the Ukrainians initially were a little skeptical of Parnasse didn't really know who he spoke on behalf of certainly didn't think he actually spoke on behalf of the president realize these people this unofficial channel is quite serious and in its official channel. And so you had Giuliani kind of overtaking in subsuming. US foreign policy and diplomacy with Ukraine and pence. Unfortunately for him is sort of in the middle of that whether or not he actually did anything wrong Shannon. We have staffers on the hill. Senior staffers at that working twelve to twenty four hour shifts wading through the parnassus material. Getting it ready for potential Senate trial. What are the Republicans you you speak to in the trump camp saying about these two elements the timing and tonnage of what Lev Parnasse has put out there well? I actually spoke to a few Republican allies of the president today and they at least on the surface so they're not too concerned about Aparna is actually they said. First of all he's Repeating what a lot of witnesses have already said they don't feel like that much is necessarily new now. The stuff about the vice vice president might be a bit new some of the things he said about repair new But they feel it's mostly in line with the narrative that is already out there and the Republicans feeling is that the narrative Out there already is not hurting the president support with Republicans and is a for the most part split fifty fifty between independence and a couple of the sort of outside advisor to the president. I spoke to today. Said they actually think they could use it to their advantage. If Love Parnes was called as a witness because they feel elect Republicans would be able to cross examine him and attack his character in a way that could potentially backfire on Democrats so bringing up the fact that he is indicted bringing we know the US His shady past which we've already seen them trying to do in their push back today and reiterating the this argument that they've made for other witnesses that he doesn't necessarily have firsthand knowledge of firsthand contact with the president though tonight. We seem to get a sense of veto him being dinners and having a bit more firsthand conduct but I don't think they think it changes the dynamics too much at least any carney join us in watching a little bit of a refresher in what has happened in the past two former members of the trump circle when he makes the decision to hit the button and distance himself from a slew of different people in his life. If it took okay I never met Putin. I don't know who put James Comey. I hardly know the man. Oh man afford worked for me for for a very short period of time Matt Whitaker Matt Whitaker worked for Jeff Sessions Michael Cohen. Tell me about your relationship with him while he was a lawyer from me for One of many have not somebody that was with me. That much shorter. Just tell you I I hardly know the gentleman. What conversations have you had with lev partis earnest and eager? Prove those gentlemen so anti Carney in plain language English. What's that about what we just witnessed that aspect of? This man's sounds personality and his being. It's about survival on the minute. Looks like Someone close to him is going to cause trouble he. He cuts them off one. It's been interesting to watch that one person. He has not pulled the I hardly know him card with ever. Even though many White House officials wish you would is Rudy Giuliani on his personal lawyer. WHO has caused him a ton of problems not just with regard to Ukraine? But you'll remember where the car to the stormy Daniels Story Rudy. He's gotten a lot of trouble and he always continues to be close to Rudy But this this is the general pattern of when someone gets in trouble with the law. WHO's close to trump trump the distances himself ashley the parnassus telling of the numerous attempts by the president to have our ambassador into Ukraine? IANOVICH fired kind of border on pathetic in the telling of left Parnis. Why do you think there were repeated? Attempts by the guy at the top of the administration that were unsuccessful. Why was he rebuffed in his efforts? Having made the decision that she had to go well I think he was rebuffed because a number of people in his administration including some who recently went up on Capitol Capitol Hill and testified under oath about. This felt that this was a very bad. If not dangerous and problematic idea so that's one of the reasons he was functionally only rebuffed but in left parties retelling it was also a very interesting inadvertent window into just how this administration functions and operates generally when you look at some some of the people who said trump told to fire the ambassador. He's not necessarily going to the State Department. He's turning into do his personal assistant a young woman in her twenty s and telling her to fire Yvonna Vich. He's turned into a White House. Mid Level White House political critical aid at a dinner at the trump hotel and telling him to fire. You have on a veteran. That's not how things traditionally working government in these people who spend a lot of time on the president sort of understand. He says thinks he's angry. He's frustrated and sometimes their job is to sort of ignore him. Placate him put off the decision. Diffuse the situation and hope Hope that it ultimately goes away in this case shale timidly was recalled and Shannon a critical question that speaks to the people use spoke to today in in your reporting is the thinking inside the White House inside the trump circle migrating from not if there will be witnesses but which witnesses who will be called I think it is privately which witnesses will be called. I think there is an increasing certainty. That there we'll be a vote on witnesses and I think it's probably split fifty fifty whether or not those witnesses are called so while the White House is trying to portray this public image that they don't think there will be witnesses. Certainly their allies in the Senate are preparing for witnesses and trying to think of who who will be called and how. They're going to manage that if it was a long day for us here. I know it was a long day for the three of you. Great thanks to the three of you for joining us this late at night to any carney to Ashley Parker to Shannon Petty piece coming up for us the president tries to keep a nation focused on his reelection and not his impeachment trial in the Senate and later accused Felon love. said he should be the Senate's number one witness but is there proof for all the things he's saying and for that matter again. What about with us the eleventh hour just getting underway on this Thursday night? Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard to keep get more exercise. Save more money. Here's a resolution that's easy to keep don't waste time going to the post office US STAMPS DOT COM instead stamps dot com brings all the services of the post office to you plus stamps dot com. Gives you something you can't get at the post office big discounts on postage like five cents off every first class stamp and up to forty percents off priority mail print official. 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What can the lessons of past impeachments teach us about the future of this process? I answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment search now our wherever you're listening and subscribe. Thanks for listening. A Republican senator from Arizona was having having none of it when CNN's veteran Capitol Hill reporter mono rows you approached her for comment shortly before the impeachment got underway on Capitol Hill. The Senate consider new. Evidence is part of the impeachment. Trial here liberal hack. I'm not talking to you. You're not gonNA comment. I'm a Senator Senator Martha mcsally of Arizona and soon after that abrupt exchange the trump war room posted it its own video of the encounter with a caption that read quote. Three cheers for Senator Martha Mc Sally. This is how you handle fake news news CNN. Donate to Martha now. They are using her remark as a fundraising vehicle for a reason back home in Arizona her a challenger for Senate the former astronaut mark. Kelly has thirteen million dollars in the bank. Mc Sally is far behind with seven million last hour mcq. Sally appeared on Fox News. Do you regret what you said. No Laura I do and I said it again actually. Actually I went in. I said you're a liberal Hag Buddy you know I mean these these CNN reporters but many of them around the capital They are so biased. they are so in cahoots with the Democrats. They can't stand the president and they run around trying to chase the Republicans as trapping questions with with us for more tonight is Tamra Keith. White House correspondent for NPR. Timur first off here mono is one of those few reporters who is well. Well liked by. I guess we can exclude the Arizona senator but well liked by the vast majority of people on the hill who served their and cover the news their second for a senator who wants marketed herself as a moderate Republican as a kind of cautious conservative. -servative this is a new look and I guess she's taking the chance that this will sell back in Arizona. Well Mani Roger who had something of a hallway in the capital bromance with John McCain. And so it's quite a turn for Martha mcsally the senator from Arizona and talk to Raja in that way. But here's the thing not only. is she looking at a general election in Arizona but I there could could be a primary. She doesn't have a challenger yet or serious one but the filing deadline isn't until May and so for a lot of these Republicans who are running for re election election in two thousand twenty there. Is this very big question of how do you deal with President Trump and the impeachment times particularly perilous for them but most have determined that putting space between yourself and a very popular president in the Republican Party. Doesn't really help your reelection chances Tell us about your current understanding of the current trump campaign. Plan to deal with the rare confluence of a re-election campaign during the impeachment trial what what is their plan their plan is to be a rapid response team for the president. The United States is he faces impeachment at the same time that this impeachment trial is happening. There are primaries caucuses coming in Iowa and primary coming in New Hampshire. The campaign is going to be in both of those states with a really big presence and really what they they are saying saying is they've been doing rapid response and crisis communications. Essentially I three years three plus years and so you know for President President Trump. He has a very well funded organization outside organization his campaign that can amplify his message can push its own message can run an ad during the super bowl. That could if the trial goes more than the two weeks that the White House wants could well be an ad that is played eight in the middle of impeachment and by going to Iowa and New Hampshire on the eve of Democratic primaries. He will get media time and attention attention and kind of a platform for his views. Well and something that you know well is that all of the political reporters in the universe are going to be an Iowa. Right before the caucuses and then New Hampshire right before the primary and so here you have the president of the United States coming in and consuming a little bit of that auction oxygen counter programming and the campaign also sees this as an opportunity to sort of practice in do dress rehearsal on Bass Mobilization Timor case the reporter and the voice behind in the same town where Keith we know from NPR. It's always a pleasure having you. Thank you so much great to be with you coming up for more new allegations from the man and the President says he does not know when we come back. Here's the man of the hour. During part two of his interview with Rachel Maddow Tonight Love Parnasse revealed that he was urged not to cooperate with the the impeachment investigation on Capitol Hill. You got a request from Congress to come to you for you mister fromm into come testified investigations. You were inclined to say yes absolutely. I have nothing to hide. Would not doing anything illegal on your lawyer. John Dowd however advise you not to cooperate and said the president would give you cover for not cooperating. What was a little bit more Gordon that it was I was brought into John House. And we he he got Jay seculow on the phone and also wrote the and Victoria's and then basically they came up with the situation that said that because I worked for Rudy and because worked for Victoria and because we work for the president we have three way privilege and basically patsick alone was going to be writing a letter to Congress telling him to that nobis cooperating and that would protect us under the same order and he followed up with that again. This was the president of the United States. So I mean I thought okay I said this is all the information I have. I did my duty. I gave him whatever paperwork ahead. That's a lot right there and without delay let's bring in Barbara mcquade veteran federal prosecutor former. US Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan Barbara. Let's start right there. Is that what he just described at all part of the normal normal legal world there actually is some validity to what he's saying there. Imagine if your lawyer has secretary secretary or a paralegal who works for him that person would fall under the realm of the attorney client privilege just as much as lawyer would so if left partners was working as an assistant assistant to Rudy Giuliani as a translator. Whatever he was he could be part of president? Trump's legal team. Now that's one thing the other is to then say we're all going to to assert privilege. Nobody's going to talk. That's a different thing. Because he has a right to his own counsel here into his own independent legal advice. What's best for president trump and is not necessarily what is best for left parties and so if his lawyer is giving him advice that's not in his best interest and that is unethical on the part of of the lawyer? And I need your help in how we should view this. We've had the better part of two hours of love gripping television over two nights with with Rachel and I hear proper names and titles flying out of this I hear mentions of the president. The Vice President Cabinet officials with someone under indictment who is in the hands of the feds. Do you take what he's saying and put it into different buckets. provable with evidence unprovable provable and is there any rule that people with nothing to lose make effective witnesses or does it cut both ways so someone like love is actually not unusual in the criminal justice system. You get people who come in who say they want to cooperate and they give you all kinds of information that it sounds potentially valuable but you really have to work to pin it down because as you suggest Brian. The there is some potential bias here if he is seeking to get a deal deal with the southern district of New York to reduce his own sentence than perhaps he feels some incentive to fabricate extraordinary information that could be perceived as very valuable. I don't know that I would call him as a witness. At least not at this point but I would consider him to be very valuable for lead purposes. He provides a lot of information about about conversations with Rick. Perry Rudy Giuliani. He suggests that there was an additional quid. Pro Quo here to get to Mitri for Taj off in in exchange for a part of this deal that he is someone who's been under indictment by the Justice Department for bribery and faces extradition so he offers an awful awful lot of information. But when you ask them about how he knows it he says things like everyone was in the loop he does. You can't really pin him down or at least we haven't yet heard him pinned down on. Tell me who told you this. When did it happen where were you? What documents do you have to support other people who were present? Who could confirm the? This also occurred. So I'd WANNA spend a few days with him to try to pin down all of those things and it may be that would use those other people as witnesses and not left parnes himself and and finally the title you once held which we throw around in some form or fashion on this broadcast every night. United States attorney. That's a presidential appointment. Put yourself in your old job if you were. US Attorney and this guy whose investigation is part of your purview shows up for two nights on MSNBC and then other interviews. What are you feeling? I feeling that he is likely desperate. Desperate for attention. I don't know what the Southern District of New York has told them about. Whether he is a cooperator I worry about his ability to keep his story straight but it is also sort of the ultimate crucible if he can go on national television over multiple nights until a consistent story that is consistent with what he's telling me. That does tend to corroborate him. I think that most. US Attorneys and lawyers are very reluctant to see people talk publicly this way but in some ways it's sort of bolsters his credibility that ladies and gentlemen is why we always ask to talk to former. US Attorney Barbara mcquade Barbara. Thanks as always coming up for us. A new book calls it a marriage of money and power there are new revelations about the trumps and the Kushner's which will get to when we come back a new book coming out is reporting that your grandfather lied on his immigration form. Use a different name. took the name Kushner to come in. Does that make you more sympathetic to immigrants who are facing acing immigration violations. Now Look I have my personal opinions. My personal sympathies but I work for the president of the United States. And you know my job is to When and he asked my advice on things give him my advice but then when the president makes a decision my job is to help them execute that decision its voice we seldom here? He may be the most powerful man Dan whose voice Americans would not recognize time. Magazine sat down with Jared Kushner for a rare interview just as his father-in-law's impeachment trial is about to get underway. The new book. They're talking about right. There is American oligarchs the Kushner's the trumps and the marriage bridge of money and power. Its author is with US tonight. Andrea Bernstein a veteran journalist and co host of the podcast conveniently trump INC produced used by. WNYC public radio here in New York. It's so interesting that that puts the story in this book into circulation and tell the immigration story of the Kushner's why it's Germane to who he's become and would he ever have been the organic choice for a job search for the role he's end. Were it not for marrying the president's daughter so questions there and then you break that down. So Jared Kushner's grandparents were Holocaust survivors and and they survived. Nazi Germany's living some of the time. In the forest in Poland camping out hiding from the Nazis after the war they fled fled the Soviet Union which was then and ended up in Italy and displaced persons. Camp could not get visa to the United States or anywhere they were stuck stateless weightless so they struck upon this idea. Where Jared Kushner's grandfather would take on his father in law's name? He was born Yussel Berkowitz and he changed his name to Joe Kushner and as such taking on the role of his father in Law's son he and his family were able to emigrate to America. And why is that Jermaine on the topic of immigration to what jared Kushner has become it's Germane because I mean I don't. I don't think there's anybody that wouldn't be sympathetic to them. They lost everything in the cost. They had no property no documents. Nothing and they had nowhere to go why it's Germane is because they did did what they had to do. For their family. To survive and thrive their grandson ended up one of the most powerful people in the United States in an administration where immigration is now being restricted and refugee quotas being restricted to historic lows. How unlikely or likely the in life is the one? Jared Kushner has such incredible proximity to the president of the United States and incredible edible power a lot of which has been heretofore undocumented right. I think that he is someone when you think about who has survived so many people Kelly Kelly Priebus Bannon Mattis. The list goes on and on McMaster. Flynn Jared Kushner has survived all these people because he has an incredibly loyal to his own family but also to his father in law's family. We have called you here before as an expert witness on Donald Trump because of your years in media in New York given that given your understanding and deconstruction of him. How is he likely to react in real time? Were just getting getting underway in the Senate trial next Tuesday but what I can see in my book from looking at Donald Trump is. He has a history of evading legal consequences. Whether it it'd be cajoling prosecutors or charming. FBI Asians or giving donations to the favorite causes of District Attorney's he escapes escapes legal consequences again and again as has his family and we see for example. Muller testified it was kind of a dud the very next day president president trump called the cranium president and said do us a favor though he is emboldened by not having consequences. I think there's a real question about what happens to the republic if he's acquitted and believes he simply cannot be held to account in any forum. The word the term oligarchs in in my view did not originate in our home language. It is a notion that we learned about the people were called overseas. It is now more and more being applied here in this country is it's something that really came to the fore with the arrival of Donald. I'm trump and the business-minded well it's really been decades in the making because we in this country have made decisions to collectively to allow more and and more money into politics and each time you allow more money into politics you create a system where the wealthy can tilt the democracy towards their direction. It's we it with trump every day. Wealthy people patronize his hotels. They go to his golf courses. They pay him in some way and he gives them a favor and that kind of the system is an oligarchy system. And it's where we are headed if there's some serious reckoning about the restrictions and disclosures and transparency we have about about who is able to contribute to the president. And let's go ahead and say it without using to broader brush the Harvard Business School crowd of hyper educated rather rather ernest culturally. Moderate Republicans. Time and time again goes with this guy because it's good for business right absolutely. He's making them money money. And as a result they are giving him money and he has a record breaking campaign coffers and that's just him that's just Donald Trump but doesn't count all the packs and the Republican Party committees that are supporting him on behalf of all of your listeners. Thank you for coming again with the book. Andrea Bernstein is the author it is called American oligarchs the Kushner's the trumps and the power of money. A marriage of money and power. Let's get it right. It's is just on the market so there's plenty of time to rack up at standing on Amazon coming up the latest Democratic candidate to work his way into the president's mind and and thoughts when we come back. Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day a onslaught of news and take our broader. Look the issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is this happening? Were exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is climate change will be to the twentieth century. What modernity was to the nineteenth century? It'll be the central subject of questions about economic justice. Everything you care about when the world will be affected by climate and digging deep with guests uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you get your podcasts was truly truly an outstanding example? His endorsement of Bloomberg Got Bloomberg elected. At first. It may seem out out of place for the president to bring up Michael Bloomberg at a religious freedom event today but according to The New York Times quote the president himself has been closely watching Bloomberg unnerved by his campaign spending and then there's his suggestion that he may spend one billion of his own fortune opposing Mr trump even if he does not emerge as he's the nominee one of our favorite guests here with us tonight to talk about it Mara Gaye importantly former New York City Hall Bureau Chief at The Wall Street Journal. Now a member of the New York Times editorial board. They will announce their endorsement for the Democratic nomination. On Sunday we'll get it out of her tonight. Doubt Mara. You've already got a billionaire in the race. Tom Steyer has the plaid tie the needlepoint belt. That's all done. Second billionaire enters the race. Why would trump be so interested interested in Mike Bloomberg? Oh my goodness this is. They're both New Yorkers. Let's start there. I'm so donald trump is somebody who grew up in Queens always wanting to be a member of New York's inner sanctum high-society in that social world was never quite accepted even when he got rich while he was born rich but when he got richer he's still wasn't ever accepted in the in the society that Bloomberg plays in and I think this has just stick in his craw so much that the former mayor has decided at the last minute to jump into this race along with all of his money and and I think honestly Michael Bloomberg is actually the self made billionaire that Donald Trump pretends to be and so I think it's. It's gotta be quite quite unnerving for sure so this is this is kind of I think a what we called mind games in politics. Let's talk about what's going on in the Democratic Party hardy what we saw transpire onstage and moines was it was a two nights ago or a year ago. Now and the calls for a ceasefire fire between Bernie Forces Elizabeth Warren Forces. This goes back to a deeply held. Fear that things like a fight on the far left and impurity testing at all these events would open a path big enough to drive a truck through or in this case big enough to drive Joe Biden through. It was hard to watch approach for me. I have to say I think a lot of American voters especially Democrats really want the candidates to put the infighting aside they'd normally on primary. It's it's quite normal right as we know you've covered many campaigns. It's a normal thing to go after your opponent and primary. The problem is this isn't a normal election. It's not a normal time. And the differences between the Democrats are miniscule compared to the differences between Donald Trump and the democratic view and vision for what this country should be and I think the focus really does need to be for Democrats on talking about what trump has done wrong what they can offer the country instead and frankly finding as many voters to turn out to the polls as they can and this is a sideshow now that is going to turn people off and keep them at home and not at the polls and it's just it's really bad for the country given your status us as a member of the New York Times editorial board you may know this is coming. I'll raise the name. Peter Hamby Peter. Hamby is a veteran journalist. I I I came to be aware of him when he was with. CNN He is with Vanity Fair and he works at snapchat and he writes editorial L. and board endorsements mostly left leaning only fuel bad faith attacks on the biased media and confused modern readers leaders on what the press does and is supposed to do. It's not nineteen fifty seven communities no longer look to editorial boards to tell them how to think how vote Mara Gaye. That is a shot across your editorial bowel. How do you defend your profession? Yeah I would say hey that we've learned over the past several years. That information is not the same thing as knowledge and I think there's absolutely a huge value in in having a newspaper and journalists everywhere who are trained at what they do and looking out for the public interest to ask questions tough questions of candidates and I think it's really important to just understand that what we do we do in the service of readers and in the service of voters. We don't do it in the service service of candidates and so. I think that's the message that that would really like to stand in. There is value in that. And as soon as you say that I should remind our reviewers that the New York Times endorsement comes out in the Sunday paper on the web. I guess late Saturday night. It'll actually be well. You can and stay tuned to our television. Show the weekly which premieres fax ten PM. Thank you thank you for pleasure. As you're coming up for US comments from Lindsey Graham. That don't sound like the Lindsey Graham. We've come to know last thing before we go here tonight. Here's the headline Lindsey Graham coming out in favor of calling witnesses during the impeachment trial but don't take our word for it here era Senator Graham making the case witnesses in his own words. Why do you need a witness? The whole point that we're trying to make is that in every retrial the that there's ever been in the Senate regarding impeachment. Witnesses were called the big problem. I have if we don't get to call meaningful witnesses. Direct witnesses to the point is that you're basically changing impeachment. Impeachment in the House is not the trial you can have three days of lawyers talking to each other. Her on both sides sixteen hours questions and basically bore everybody to death. Talk everybody to death but when you have a witness who was there who was engaged aged in it who was in the middle of it telling you about what they were doing and why is a totally different case. And it's the difference between getting the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth uh-huh oh that they're explains what was going on. That was nine thousand. Nine hundred ninety nine Lindsey Graham when he was impeachment manager in the Clinton impeachment. But we're here to assure everybody nothing's happened to Senator Grammy's finest back to normal. This was him tonight on Fox News. If you want a witness then do what Ted Cruz says. Everybody gets witnesses. Bjorn attorney the trial and to complete circus. You're allowed to do that but not with my vote. Lindsey Graham to play us off the air tonight having taken a sworn oath today to do impartial justice in this upcoming trial. That is our broadcast for this Thursday. Evening thank thank you so much for being here with us good night from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York it. Hey Guys Willie geist here. This week on the Sunday. Sit down. PODCAST asked I get together with Ed Harris to talk about his prolific career from the right stuff to westworld and now to kill a mockingbird on Broadway. Get our conversation now for free wherever you download your podcasts.