S11: Infamous: Zodiac Killer Theories
Time listeners, it's. And Elena, and we are thrilled to kick off the second season of Parkas presents infamous with a chilling episode from our new series crime countdown. In today's episode is definitely chilling. It's about one of the most talked about serial killers of all time. There's just one catch. We still don't know who he is. Nuts. Right? We're rounding up suspects and counting down the top ten Zodiac killer theories. So if you like what you hear, be sure to follow our new series crime countdown free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. We have some incredibly creepy topics lined up that you do not want to miss, but in the meantime enjoyed this episode. When you hear Zodiac killer, you probably think of cryptograms and coated notes, how a violent murder played cat-and-mouse games with the COPS and journalists. Maybe picture the crosshairs symbol or the four innocent couples whose dates became nightmares. But people forget the most important part of solving a crime. I, witness accounts to Zodiac victims live to tell the tale. Another lived long enough to describe her killer. There's literally an witnessed report from police officer, but somehow, no one's ever caught. Caught him and not for lack of suspects because today, we're covering the top ten Zodiac killer theories. The hunt for the Zodiac killer is more than just a murder investigation. It's basically a three ring circus public amusement, and the ringmaster is the Zodiac himself. Exactly. The Zodiac wants the public distracted by the codes and the Halloween cards and horrifying notes about killing children on their way to school that way, we don't look at the real evidence and catch him. weirdos welcome to the park asked original crime countdown. I'm ash and I'm Elena every week will highlight ten fascinating stories of history's most engaging and unsettling crimes all picks by the podcast cast research God's this week's topic is going to be top ten Zodiac killer theories. This is one of those cases in its this and Jon. Benet. Ramsey that I'm like I need answers give me the answers somebody needs to give me what happened in these two cases I feel. Feel that way about the Bryce Pisa case. Yes. That's exactly if I had like a genie lamp. Yeah. I wish for two things and it's to know who killed Jon Benet Ramsey, whose, Zodiac, killer. There you go. I. Mean I love a mystery. We both do we do for sure and I love being able to like connect dots and find like missing strands that connect in baby find things other people have been found I mean that's my favorite thing when. No one else has found him. Look Good Dude, found out founded and I think this one is so enduring, probably mostly due to like the ciphers in the theatrics because you know a theatrical, a whole is a memorable one. That's very true. Let me remind you the cool part about this show is that Elena has topics and so do I. But neither of US knows which five, the other one has. Let's start the countdown. Ten. Starting off at number ten for the top Zodiac killer theories is George Hodel who Dell is known for being a suspect in the black. Murder case, thanks to his son Steve a retired LAPD had signed detective. Steve has put the theories out there that his father George killed the Black Dahlia and also is the Zodiac killer real busy, real. Busy I personally believe he is the Black Dahlia killer. Oh, me too. We talked about that on more we did and I think after going through that I really do believe Joe turned out at least said something to do with me too I. Don't know if I'm sold on the Zodiac killer theory. Well, tell me about this one. The reason is the theory is a little flimsy. Y now this is this is a very small detail, but it kinda throws a wrench in the whole thing. Okay. He wasn't in the US when the killings occurred and he only returned to the states in one, thousand, nine, hundred. Well, there is such thing as. Flyer miles or maybe he was just like flying back and forth. I'm not saying it's impossible. Jet Blue points you know. Who del also would have been a few decades older than what they stink. The Zodiac killer is okay. But again, thank, the Zodiac killer is we don't know. In a costume, we don't know he could have been a hundred and four in one of those guys that like runs marathons when he's like one, hundred four. Doing it did you don't solve this whole thing right here? I think it's a marathon runner who has one hundred and four at the time. All right. We can all go down. That's it. Well, Steve. His. Son is also an author retired LAPD homicide detective, and also an author. So that is an appealing narrative. You know homicide detective finds father guilty of most notorious murderer. It's yeah. He's like that's definitely going to sell my book. He's literally like Cha Ching, they're gonNA be flying off the shelves and whenever the Narrative is particularly appealing, it's kind of like. he has a horse in the race and I don't love that. But hotels shoe size was ten e like the Zodiac killer although another alleged Zodiac victim was killed by someone wearing a size six or seven shoe. So could just be wearing different shoes. I could throw on John's like size thirteen and go trump's and into a murder scene, and we'd all around a few times. I'm not saying it would be easy. I'm not saying it would be graceful, could do it, but I could fool you all I'm just saying. So who Dell was a columnist also for. For The San Francisco? Chronicle. In the nineteen thirties, that's the same paper that Zodiac was sending his letters and ciphers to during his killing years. I'm going to be talking about that later and it's interesting that he happened to be. You know a columnist for that paper to connection, but it's like, would you be like doing your columns and then on the side like inserting, you're like that's a lot of work to do. I'm not saying it's I. Mean writings heart and also it's a lot. That's a lot on your. I think that's what Kinda. Kicks it over the edge I'm like. Yeah, it's a lot. Does Not enough hours in the day? No. Nine. At number nine is Bruce Davis, a member of the Manson Family Heo and a convicted killer. The Bruce. Davis theory has been mainly championed by author and conspiracy theorist, Howard, Davis who claims that Bruce Davis was never pursued as the Zodiac because it would have interfered with the Manson case I mean. Okay. Now I like it would have been a good thing because it's like kill two birds with one stone. You would think so right? I would think. So while Bruce Davis was actually one of the first members of the family to commit murder on Charlie, Manson's orders. All right and he was convicted of killing two people. So he has it in him. Yeah. He definitely has it in him. But. I don't really think any of these fools were capable of planning their own murder without Charlie's instructions I. Just I agree with you, I think they need the blueprint. Yeah. They definitely do need a quick outline of the nights. Need a how to guide. Yeah, they do. Well, I had mentioned about the conspiracy theorist. Howard Davis was involved. Now, he feels like Bruce's involvement in the Manson, family murders was, what made it possible to cover up the fact that he was? Zodiac. Okay. Okay. I mean. I think we're relying too heavily on that. I, think we are too I. Think it's a bit of a Crock Okay Howard, but Howard thought that it was covered up because it would have jeopardized the Manson murder convictions. I can see where he's coming from, but I also have like an argument or fresher. So Howard could actually be onto something though because the Zodiac murders took place around the San Francisco Bay area where the Manson family did live for some time. Interesting. So there's that there were also other people in that area. Many other people. I. Mean Not technically not like convicted murderers. So like okay, that's like a check one for go off, Howard go and according to Howard. One of the victims of the Manson. Family had a relative. That hired a Pi to find evidence on the Manson family for the Zodiac killer. Well, that's a little more appealing to me. It definitely is if a family member of a victim thinks. So then like what are they going to? Tell me what why I know. I wanted to that. I want to know more and you know he also says that a source in the La District Attorney's office. told him that there was evidence leading Manson to the Zodiac. We'll show me the evidence I know whereas an iron said, it's been a while I. Want It. I mean, it could be legit because if you remember the Manson women did take most of the spotlight. It could have been like a cover up and Bruce could have been quietly able to kill as EAC while the girls were getting all the attention. That's true. I? Mean they did put a lot of focus on them. The only thing is I just don't believe those dirty hill people would come up with ciphers and stuff. Yeah. They're they're too busy trip seems a little more like high level than what they were working out with all that Bella Donna. They were third trip and on, I was trying to remember what that was called. Thank you. Ain't. Number Eight on our list of Zodiac killer theories is a man named. Jack Terrence this theory comes from Terence's Stepson Dennis Kaufman who claims to found suspicious items like a black hood and Terence's belongings way. So like are we talking like a black hood like or like a Black Hoodie? People have black hoodies. I'm assuming it's like the black like executioner's hood. I would think so that the Zodiac I mean, I don't have one of those. No. I don't either just for the record, but I, if I found one I, don't think I would necessarily be like Oh. No, my dad is the Zodiac at Billy Dad. What is this was like dad what Halloween? Did you dress up for? You? WanNa, Talk Dot. Well Dennis Kaufman also claimed 'cause right now. It's like okay. I don't know if I believe. Her Ramsey, well Dennis. Kaufman. Also claimed to have found a knife food tried blood on it. Well, that's a little less flimsy buried. The lead on that one. Definitely, Kaufman claims that the handwriting on Zodiac ciphers also looked very much like his stepfather's I, feel like his stepfather like fucked him over somehow. Yeah. Something happened there. Yeah. It's all these people being like my dad. Did it. My. Dad I'm real Madam on. Dad Today. Zodiac. There's a running theme so far. I barely been mad at my father, but I've never been so mad at him that I'm like, I'm GonNa accuse you being Zodiac killer. I don't know if my dad listens to this. I'M GONNA, go ahead and plead the fifth. I can say that you've never written into a newspaper accusing him of being Zodiac killer that you know of that I know of at least Oh. Maybe, you should be on this list. Totally kidding now, there was no follow from investigators on Terence's suspicious items claim. So I'm thinking it's either there was nothing worth pursuing in the first place or they just didn't find or maybe they just didn't feel like at that day, you know how this police work can be. Yeah. I mean they lapd and like the nineteen thirties was not killing and definitely not. I mean or maybe killing it, I don't know. He not only believes his father could have been the Zodiac killer, but Ding. Ding Ding, he thinks he killed the Black Dahlia as well. Oh. Yeah. What like why? Like my dad did this and this, and also this, it's like let's just bring the hammer down. Right. Just throw everything in the kitchen sink along with it. Coffin also described tarrant as someone who talks about killing often. Often which the same could be said for us now, that makes me nervous. So like I'm not the Zodiac killer in case anybody was wondering read tweet. Let me just state that for the record. Was He like one of those people that was like Oh my God shut up I'm GonNa tell you or was it like I'm going to kill which I say it all the time like I'm GonNa kill you you do so. Now. Nervous. Somebody could bring this fourth later and I back up a little more. Go over here. Thank you. There was ultimately no solid proof which I'm sure is not shocking, but a fair amount of links came about which is why the theory still endures to today and still they're still does. Seven. A number seven. This week is Ross Sullivan. There is a history channel documentary featuring sallow Barbara, a retired LAPD homicide detective. WHO believes the evidence supports Sullivan as possible suspect. Tom Listening. So there's quite a few fingers to point out Ross Sullivan Ooh, we're going to start with the smaller I have ten. So let's do it I. Don't know if we have that there's a few. So Ross. was never far from the bay area. We know that Zodiacs hotspot. Hotspot we do, and it feels like a lot of people are never far from everyone was in the bay area altogether, every the whole world's population just rammed into the bay area through. He always wore army boots, which is strange dot only because there were army blueprints found at the crime scenes, but also because that really wasn't a fashion trend at the time. Yeah. That makes sense. Now, we'd be like, okay. Army boots, people wear combat boots or. Thing like in the nineties, we would have been like who will never find him again. Early everyone everyone in the bay area would their combat oh? Yeah. Well, it wasn't like that at the time. So that is a good finger to point him. Sure. Also, while he was at university, he studied cryptology which would have assisted him in writing those ciphers that Zodiac used to put in like everything ever see that's compelling to me one. It's like how many people do you take that course? Exactly I don't know that's a very big connection to me I mean I could barely like right calligraphy. So. Alright, Ross Yoga, and another thing that there was an occult store right near where he was living at the time in that store had like a ton of similar images in stock to the ones that Zodiac used to illustrate his letters with weird. Right seems like he probably lived around that store least. Yeah. He did. Yeah. I mean, I mean like real Zodiac -Ted Rails Odia. He see in those illustration. Obviously. So that's a good connection wall. Where did this theory come from the first place? You ask, where did it come from? I? Knew you were Gonna ask I asked well raw. Raw. Sullivan was actually a suspect in another murder where the person was killed in a manner like really eerily similar to the way that Zodiac did his killings. That's pretty coincidental. It is I would say all, but it's like, Whoa, weird, another murder I'd say so and not for nothing. Ross Ullivan bears like, oh, spooky resemblance to the Zodiac, and this is our done him. All right Ross. So how many fingers are you holding up at the end? I? Don't know. But I got ten point them at Ross right now. Never have. I, ever the George. Hotel. Not so much. But Ross Aman. Six. Also on our list at number six, Lawrence, Kane, who has put forth as a possible suspect by former police officer, hard behinds according to Hines Cain. had been near many of the areas where the Zodiac crimes happened when the murders occurred. However, authorities dismissed Cain after questioning to hines, his consternation Harvey Hinds pointed decanes, pretty, rocky relationship with women. He wasn't a charming. You would say, okay, and he often became very argumentative with others in moments when he wasn't just being a loner and it seems like the Zodiac probably was exactly the same. It seems like it's exactly because it's like he explodes and when he's doing his murders and he's argumentative. Argumentative aggressive murderous bright, and then it seems like he goes in hides off in a dark corner somewhere as loaner. So because it's like, why did nobody likes suspect him like they are, they're doubt I guess bomb. Their Daddy was always someone's dad you know hines pointed out that he had a brain injury that was wearing away at his ability to self regulate urges while that'll do it to which I say, even if you're not the Zodiac killer, get that fixed, attract act out Yup, just get it regulate had into the doctor plus Cain lived where in the San Francisco area, just a few blocks from one of the Zodiac murders wait. Lived there I I mean I know. We have not heard this before from any of these is compelling, Elena. He lived there I mean, he lived in San, Francisco he's the hot ticket right now, it would be easier to say who didn't live in San Francisco. Because I feel like everybody was on this list. It's like and they lived there and they lived. Hissy CAIN had also been in the military for some time, which of course, is gonNA give him access to combat boots, which were found at the scene or not the boots, but the prince right again, the nineties. So this is a compelling piece of evidence young too weird footwear for the time combat boots were apparently few and far between they were. So I like it so far like he was also in the South Tahoe area. When Donna Lass who is one of the Zodiac suspected victims disappeared Okay. So that's some serious evidence because now we're getting smaller, we're getting closer to the actual Yeah. We're. We're dropping a pin on the map appear for the because now, he's in the actual South Tahoe area. When a victim disappears, we're pulling the registering over. We aren't little step. We're doing it. We're ready for this while the case was dismissed. Oh. Okay. which infuriated hines because he believes that Cain lied and investigators did the interview basically just to shut him up not to actually get the truth while like they really just didn't feel like at that day maybe. Yeah. They had other stuff to do. You know I'm really sad that we have to take that board down, but the red string I'm really sad too. You know I saw George Hotel on this and I was like Whoa like he killed. Black. Dahlia. What are you doing? I know. I was confused at first I was like wait was the psych labeled wrong. This supposed to be my guy. And you know what I was like. All right. I'm ready and I listened and I do not think he's disodium I thought you were GonNa say that you like do you really it's only number ten. No, I don't believe he is also, it's weird that there's more than one connection to Black Dahlia in this whole thing. So far I know that is really weird. Right. Real. I'm interested to see if there's more black Dahlia as we continue on. So am I I mean five down five more to go. Five. Alright. Let's jump back in with number five on our list of Zodiac killer theories, maybe not the most plausible theory. But the links are interesting in nineteen, ninety, six San Francisco police pursued the theory that the uni bomber Ted. Kaczynski was the Zodiac killer. I'm interested your interest men are you ready? so as everything started to unfold and all the details became public about Kaczynski's crimes, a ton of people started calling in to investigators and they're like, whoa. This is similar. This is similar. This is similar to head the Zodiacs crimes. They're like I feel like I know something I. Feel Like I've seen this before no Well, like those mentioned before Kozinski lived in the bay area. Oh my God. Mind boggling lived in the area he did from nineteen, sixty, seven to nineteen, sixty-nine. He did it which, I. Mean. That was the exact time that Zodiac was doing his killing. I. Mean It really was he lived there I'm saying well, both, Zodiac. An Kaczynski jide written to. To The San Francisco, chronicle. To Brag about their crimes? That's true and I mean, that is pretty weird. Yeah. It's like I. Mean it is. It's a newspaper that's like and it was probably a big concern at the time. So so lake at first, it's like, yeah. WHOA. Then it's like what is the newspaper now? Did I think of it? I'm like. Were they writing George Hotel? Who are no? It was the other guy, the other. There well, the other weird thing was that Kaczynski back in his day, signed a high school yearbook with a symbol similar to those that the Zodiac used to use Liu. So I think that's weird because I definitely don't draw those and. I mean their crosshairs. is a little weird designing someone's yearbook. Yeah. But it's like compelling Iraq compelling at the same time. Normally, you just write like hacks have a good summer tags bags, twelve ash. Well. I never thought the Zodiac symbol was like particularly interesting to know. Lame. It seems why pick crosser like that. So on the nose. Bt K. enjoyed water. It's just like. And like he tried to make his own symbol and it just didn't work out for him amongst other things but. I always think like that the symbols are always just. A while back to Ted. endzone back because there are similarities between the two, but you're right the theory doesn't hold up and it's for a couple reasons really. They actually bear no physical resemblance whatsoever. No, because Ted Kaczynski, like went to live in the wilderness for awhile and got like real lean. Oh, he got really like very lean very while he was out there even very mean and the Zodiac like we're not gonNA lie was like Kinda thick. Kind on thicker side and I mean in relation to Ted Kaczynski. Absolutely. Yeah. And the ammos of the two were completely different because we know Zodiac used knives and guns and all that drowns. And Ski obviously used bombs. Very different, she's very big different ammos. While and then to go even further, the San Francisco police compared Kaczynski's fingerprints to a bloody print found out one of the Zodiac. And theory was completely dismissed I was gonna say in what happens nothing. Zodiac, remember it's still unsolved. It is and funny story that connects the bomber to this I a series of articles when I was writing for bustle dot com and it was about the unabomber because there was like a teeny. And I got to interview James. Fitzgerald's who is criminal profiler and linguists that helped get him. You've done like so many cool. Random things in your life is very random unlike one time I watched Zodiac movie. Look me. Four. Next at number four, we have earl van Best Junior. This theory about earl began from a man named Gary Stewart, who wanted to find his biological father that led him to his mother's rapist Earl van best junior gross in the process of his investigation Stewart came to strongly believe that url was the Zodiac killer. There's like a big theme of Dad's here. Yeah. DADS are. Killing it in this list for say, ooh. But. So even a major publishing company spokesperson, Harpercollins? Publishers. Big Deal Big Big Publishing Company. This spokesperson said that the Zodiac Killer and Earl van best junior had quote more than a passing resemblance which if you look it up I, did they really look alike, they're exact twinning like twinning hundred percent. The extreme. Even the knows. I. Mean. They have the same glasses which I always like anybody more glasses I was gonna say knows like everything it's every single part of him looks exactly like that. Scott's the Harold con because it's only number four I'm saying. Well best was a bad guy from the beginning. Obviously because he was a rapist raped Gary Stewart's mother when she was fourteen that's horrific which. So it's like even if he isn't Zodiac, let's just pin it on him. anyways. Because he sucks I am in full. Agree he'll. Like he did it. He's the worst. It was him stuart found the words. Evey best and. And Junior, in one of the cryptograms that the killer sent to the San Francisco Examiner like a little word search, I'm saying in those aren't just words that he disliked pull out of thin air. Yeah. That's weird. They literally matchup someone's name to his exact name. Also a handwriting expert tied best signature on his marriage certificate to letters killer sent to the media. Okay Yeah. Where does this fall apart and the thing is he is the Zodiac killer. Branding on number four debut and could nights you next time Stewart goes with the fingerprints on cans. His father's fingerprints actually match some of those at a crime scene from Zodiac and he says, they both have a diagonal, scar. Oh, that's. Weird I, say, that's like a biggie young. I agree with you like we don't all have diagonal scars that our children can point down. No fingerprint can't say, I, do Stewart alleges that the police wanted to wrap up the investigation early because one of the officers was married to Stewart's mother while that'll do it i. mean to me I'm like this is number one right i. know now I'm like rap. Well, he says, they believed the embarrassment of an officer being with a killers. Former lover would tarnish their departments reputation I would go as far as to say that. Yes, there correct, it's like. Probably, it would be a little scandalous for like. Are we really going to take that over catching? One of the most was going to say chillers on the planet might be a little more scandalous. If you dislike, let the killer go because he is dude, my vote is that's more scandalous. Yeah. Apparently, the vote didn't go so. Stewart wrote about this in the most dangerous animal of all, which gives him unfortunately kind of like Oh del, it gives him a financial incentive to stick to this theory. No matter how any any holes that come about. He's like Nope nope. I wrote a book about best seller in. It's like Shit Stewart had made. It is pretty compelling. Until you had of course in the race, and then I'd just immediately I'm like gotta go. Maybe we're trying to like shoehorn these series and maybe Three. Number three on our list of Zodiac killer theories is Richard Reid Marshall who was born Joe. Don, dickey same thing. Obviously. There's no explanation why he went by two names, but Marshall allegedly made some suspicious. That resulted in him. Becoming a person of interest. You tell me. So he lived in the bay area. No, he did it. You. Did IT Gracie? No, and he worked out of San Francisco, movie theater while the Zodiac murders were happening. And works there I mean creating on everybody? He did seem like a pretty good fit for Zodiac because his appearance matched the description of the killer. Okay. He was like a stocky thick guy who wear glasses. All right. I mean. There's a lot of them out there. There certainly is He was in the navy and because of that, he had been trained in codes. All right. So interesting, there's another one that's a good one he also had. Had A portable typewriter which is what does Odiaun used to type out his letters. This is not something everybody has okay. That's weird. Now, I'm trying to figure out how small a portable typewriter is because those things are heavy. They certainly are like, wow, that's quite something to be carrying around in your briefcase and I'm pretty sure Leopold and Loeb had one of those two I. Think they stole one. Yeah. You're right and he they were like stoked about his portable typewriters. There were like the hot commodity One of the victims of the Zodiac was. Darlene. Ferron and Marshall reportedly lived just blocks away from her at one point. All right. Close he's we're really like jamming that puzzle piece entered seems like it's GonNa fit? I'm feeling real good about this one, but it's a number three and there's an issue. He wasn't known to be controlling or violent, and there was literally not one piece of physical evidence that matched him. So even though he is considered by a lot of people don't get me wrong. A lot of people consider him a prime suspect, but the theory just really isn't substantiated. Yeah. That's a tough one and also profiling wasn't like an its prime then. So it was like your shore, you're kind of stocky and you wear glasses i. think you did it like at this point, I think they're like he killed people, he's probably angry and aggressive. And it was. Oh. Nailed inside of the killer's mind was. Does he do? Yes. Did it. I mean I'm still I'm feeling good about Ross. I'm feeling good about Earl van, Best Junior. I'm feeling real good about best fan junior. Yeah, Earl. Feeling good about earl did it. It's like a dixie chicks song. Yeah. It's like goodbye goodbye goodbye I'm ready to say Byron Goodbye Earl. I'm ready to say by them anyways because he's gross. Yeah. I, agree I'm excited to see what's coming up while I have number one salon. I know. To. A number two is Richard Guyq Hausky. This theory is widely championed by Tom Voight who has run the website. Zodiac killer dot com for over two decades. Most of the evidence here seems to be possible coincidence, but it's interesting stuff. Nonetheless, tell me more that website is really interesting by the way, everybody should check it out. So. GEICO ski had a military career which we know lines him up with boots. Right, and he was a medic which means he was well trained around injuries and body. So he would also know where to inflict though he certainly would. Now I'm also well trained around injuries and dead bodies. I am not the Zodiac killer so I don't know, Elena? Did you live in San Francisco at one? One point. Oh. No, you caught me. You actually done. So it's fine. I. Didn't So fingerprint comparison is impossible. Now since geico skis records from jail were long gone before the investigation really began. So that sucks that does suck because fingerprints are thing that really could crack this open. They're like the thing they're literally the only thing at this point. GEICO, ski also allegedly moved cross country at. At the same time that Zodiac Victim Darlene Farren moved. Oh okay. I mean that's weird and she's making another appearance. She is Darlene. She's everywhere. That is very, they were both moving cross country at the same time. was He following her exactly? Like did he know her D. C. R. Once he also worked in the same building as her husband for a rival newspaper Oo, it's getting hotter in. In here, scandalous, the Zodiac allegedly never mailed letters on Wednesdays, which is interesting. One statement says day off. Now, this is important because that same day is the day that Guy kaos-gl day job was really busy day. Okay, and he didn't have time to write letters getting weird. Yeah. This is getting really weird. Guy Ski would also shorten his last name to four letters in use multiple spellings well. She y. k. e. can be seen in Zodiacs three part cipher mailed July thirty, first nineteen, sixty, nine, I'm like on the edge of my seat for this one now, Nancy Slow Ver, the police dispatcher who spoke with Zodiac, which is crazy to me that. So not master with them being like I did, yeah. Like she spoke to the Zodiac in July nineteen sixty-nine, she identified geico skis voice as being the same voice. Okay. Why is this not number one? I don't know I don't know. freaking out at the end of the day, the evidence was not substantial enough to warrant arrest. But I say is apparently none of this evidence is this is all good of it. Hausky. Did it. One. And that brings us to the number one spot on our list of Zodiac killer theories. A name. You've heard surrounding this case for years Arthur. Leigh. Allen has been the only suspect named by authorities who investigated the Zodiac murders, but he died before a case could be brought against him, and all of the evidence linking Allen to the murders can be called circumstantial. So. That's a real bummer. But circumstantial evidence is like it could get you. You know what? They always go ahead and die before. You can do anything about it. How dare real? Nice. Arthur. Yeah. Come on man. Well after reading a book Zodiac that's the name of their ego you know. The point it is by Robert. Goldsmith many people started to think Arthur Leigh. Allen was a suspect. This is like, what really made them feel that I did too. I forgot about this guy. Did you read them that you said the actual name? I'm like? Well, Shit. You're like, well, that makes sense and argue with the goals Dannatt. So Alad spent time in the military, which made him a good candidate because it would explain the boots again, the boot Lubbock. Say. That, heat, your the army boots were not his only Zodiac esque fashion statement either me. So he owned now, this is Weird Zodiac, watch that was adorned with what we now know as the infamous crosshairs symbol who I remember reading this. So that is weird. Why do you have that watch and if you had that watch the time, why would you not get rid of it? Exactly Weird, and it's like that's pretty. Pretty sloppy to use symbol. It's on your watch yet. You're dumb I'll in, did confess that he had knives covered in blood on the day that there were attacks at lake various, but according to him, those knives were used to kill a chicken. Of course they were, which is a little different. It's like come on guys. He's like I just really wanted chicken nuggets, chickens, kill chickens, we all killed chickens all the chickens. She says, well, one of his former friends, Don Cheney told the police that Allen admitted to him. He wanted to kill couples at random and not only did he want to do that? He wanted to use the name Zodiac while he did it. So he admitted to wanting to be Zodiac before Zodiac, existed more like I. Wonder if he did, it means scratch your head a little bit a that one that also reminds k. because he like named himself. I've do this and he named Soda How cool is that name? Yeah, stupid. While he was in fact arrested and it was the only official arrested in the case. So that's kind of a big deal. It is. There were search warrant served, but no concrete evidence ever came up of course and Sadat's annoying, and then in two thousand and two, they did a DNA test and found that couldn't have been Zodiac. Killer hate that. But a lot of people are like will y how is that test conducted? People have a lot of questions. I got a lab report. I'm still an Arthur purist I totally forgot about him. Yeah. I. Definitely think he's a good in when I read that I was definitely like, yes, I read that book and Yes cousy was a pretty good one too though like neck and neck know about Guyq Hausky neither did I I considered myself to be an Arthur Leigh. Allen champion of he's the Zodiac. But now like you're converting your Zodiac faith I, have kind of thing so to like. Like I'm totally on Guyq Hausky for doing it, and it's like the watch. Yeah. The Zodiac Watch with the crosshairs symbol. It's like, why did you have that too much and then I want to be the guy just because I hate him and I want to be like you did it. Yeah. The word then is like somebody wrote that book. So it's like, yeah, that's the thing and has the convenient narrative about it. Right? I'm with Arthur or. I agree I really do think that. Yeah. ME. You know what the podcast research goes killed it. They always do you have yet to prove them wrong? I'M GONNA. Lay Seven, hundred. I, can't believe I forgot Arthur Leigh Allen. 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