Danica Patrick: I am coachable. Whatever it is, tell me. Because I want to do better.


Today's skin from the couch is presented by John Hancock. We are partnering with them to help you face the future more on that later but for now let's get into the episode. You're able whatever it is like. Tell me because I want to do better her. I'm Carly's Aken. I'm Danielle Weisberg. Welcome to skim from the couch. This podcast is where we go deep on career advice from women who have lifted from the good stuff like hiring and growing a team to the rough stuff like negotiating your salary and giving or getting hard feedback. We started the skin from a couch. So what better replaced to talk it all out than where it began on a couch. Buckle up skim listeners. I love that I say that today. Danika Patrick is one of the most recognizable professional female athletes in the world. She succeeded in the male dominated. Industry of professional motor. Sports broke the record for the most top ten finishes of any female in the NASCAR. Actually she almost has too many first female to titles to count. She's been named Time's one hundred. Most influential people list appeared in fourteen Super Bowl ads and grace the cover of sports illustrated. She may have retired from racing. But it's far from slowing down. Danika is also a winemaker clothing designer author and most recently a podcast host. We are so excited to have you Danika. Welcome to the couch. Thanks I'm on a chair. Technically you're we are on the couch. You're on the chair to the chair. Dang it okay edit it is take that as a lawyer would say so they ride it for us to talk to you one of the most celebrated drivers of all time because you were talking to people that are the worst drivers of all time so it just feels like this is a big moment for us. Yeah do you guys have cars. No I had to get better at driving licences which is scary that we were given honestly. I remember when I got my license. I got my license. The day I turned sixteen. You can take classes in school drivers identifiable or or drive right as I believe it was called when I was growing up which is out of school so that you can time it right to get it on your birthday as opposed to waiting till the end of the semester stor anyway so I get my license and I think that I scared my driving instructor because I usually didn't slow down until the car in front mm-hmm backed up as in like I saw tail lights but until they are actually closing the distance between my front bumper and his rear bumper. I didn't break and I freaked him out. Okay I want to get into your background. Just Skim your resume for us. I grew up in Northern Illinois. I was actually born in Wisconsin. Born in beloit late Wisconsin grew up in south boy and I started racing. Go karts when I was ten. My Mom and dad met on a blind date at a race. Some like my mom has been going to the racetrack and my dad has been racing racing since he was a kid. I came along not far after My parents Probably I think they got married in nineteen eighty. There were twenty one. I came along about twenty two years old old and then I started racing at ten and at sixteen I moved to England lived there for three years racing. I left highschool my junior year and got my ged. My good enough diploma And at that point in time thought man I better make this racing thing work and came back to the states. Didn't have a job for a couple of years. But then got taken in by Bobby Ray Hall Hall. Who is a guy who used to race indy cars and had an Indycar team and he started a lower level team for me and that went well and then two years of that and I was racing? Indy cars ours and then I did any cars for seven years and then I RACE NASCAR. For about seven years. There was a little overlap in them but I did each of them for about that long and retired tired in two thousand eighteen super easy. So that's great. I WanNa talk about all this. I have so many questions for you before we kind of dive into how a passion and a hobby became not only your career but really a historic moment for female athletes. What is not on in your wicked pedia or website that we should know about you? I don't know what's on my wikipedia at one point in time on my wikipedia. I went to college. So that's sure as Hell L. Notch as I only have. Ged Did you ever think about going to college. Now Well when I was a kid when I was ten when I started racing I thought I would go to college for engineering so I could learn how to work on my car Because I want to be a race car driver but that was ten and then probably by eleven. I stopped thinking about that. You you had other things now. What do you consider your driving force Pun intended my dreams? I'm just kind of a dreamer so I like to do things. At their furthest extent goals that go beyond something. I think it's important to have goals that. Go beyond the obvious What's the pride of the simplest example is my winery so I make a wine? The name of the wine is SOM- NEOM which mainstream in Latin and if my goal Oh was to make money which I haven't done yet and it's been ten years I would have sold it a long time ago right because that's dumb business but my the goal is not to make money. I believe it will when I- -CCOMPLISH my other goal which is to help people come together from wine To to share and put their phones away and connect like we just don't do so well anymore To go to the valley and Experience Napa Valley and experience since how wonderful it is to just be nature and understand the farming and understand the details of everything the romance of popping the Cork like just the whole thing so so I want to share. That experience helped people. Just feel that. And that's what made me fall in love with it and why I wanted to winery. So that's really my ultimate goal. If it my goal was to make money I would have sold it right so you know. Just have a goal that goes beyond. Let's say another example be fitness if my goal was to lose weight well. What do you do once you've done that? My goal is is to challenge my mind so it keeps me going back into the gym to make up new workout. See what else I can do. See how far or I can push myself Create new challenges new goals like I love the mental challenge of it but if my goal was to be fit well I'm fit now what you're done done. It's like weight. Loss with eating. My goal is to feel good so if my goal is just to lose weight through eating and I do that. Then what you'll never not wanna feel-good I'd eat to feel good. That never ends so. It's about creating a goal that goes beyond something either obvious or more shortsighted. So as we've mentioned were partnering with John Hancock for our face. The future Our series power for that. You're welcome John. Hancock it's all about helping skimmers take the guesswork out of their biggest money. Any moves like buying your first home growing your family or thinking about retirements sounds lovely. One day it got us thinking about the kinds of money decisions and making as we were trying to grow the Skim and there are many many many decisions that we were trying to make and trying to Avoi- While we've been growing the business one question we get asked a a lot. All the time is when did you start paying yourself. When you're starting a business thinking about one do take a salary from that? Where does that money go first? We get a big financial decisions. are hard to navigate. We've been there. We're also going through it and we break them down all on our face the future page. Check it out at the skim dot com slash feature. Do you WanNa do a sound effect. The future you can also head over John Hancock to speak with a financial planner. Who can help you navigate the future? Whatever that looks like Frio? I WanNa go back what I always find interesting when we interview people who knew from a very young age they wanted to do you are ten was there an a Ha moment that you were like. Oh this is what I WANNA do is. Is there anything else that was interesting to you or was this always driving your passion in the beginning before I wanted to do that at ten. I think the first thing I wanted to be was a veterinarian because I love animals still do and then I wanted to be a singer. But don't ask me to sing and I wanted to be a secretary actually think that was the first thing because my sister and I would pretend secretary with like old calendars. Your phone was plugged in. Yeah Yeah Yeah so my sister and I would do that so I'm going to be secretary then actually might have got him completely backwards secretary singer than veterinarian and then racecar driver. Once I started I just thought well I want to be racecar driver. Kids will say singer. And you're like Oh yes you are like good luck with and then they grow garage that how did you figure out. This was something that your family is GonNa Invest Time and money in for you to be able to do this and then also that you're really good at it Um We tend to like to things that we're good at right. I don't think anybody really likes to do things that are terrible at so it's about finding that which I always say as part of the battle rate it is finding things that you're really good at. I probably wasn't going to be a basketball player. I'm five foot one So that wasn't really going to be very realistic nick for me like you said that kids go. I WanNa be this when I grow will then you have to actually start doing it right so I mean we raced where if I wanted to be the veterenarian I needed to start working at the local local shelter or right. You've actually start doing something. It's just like self care or self help like if you're trying to retrain your brain and think new thoughts and create new patterns. It's great to have an idea but if you don't actually implement something thing that takes steps in making that a reality and practicing it you're never gonNa do it. We went to the tracks so I was like. Oh here we are. We're there a lot of other kids at your age at the track and other girls series at the track. All there weren't other girls really. My sister did try it. I too But Yeah Oh yeah I mean I was in there's age category so I wasn't just wasn't all for one out there from you. Know eight to fifty. It was the eight to twelve twelve to fifteen. What did your parents here about? What made you stand out at ten? What was the skill set that you had that started to get noticed? I heard this way later. Way later. but it was that I wanted to keep going back to the track. I kept asking to go to the track. I don't remember that at at all. I think instant gratification is something rare to come by and with racing. You get that because it's time so I'd come in and I'd be like what what was the lap time you know so I love that process of making it handle better going faster. You know pushing a little further so for me. There was some instant gratification -cation rewards with it but I guess I just kept asking to go and also I am coach -able so I think that's another thing too is is that not. Everyone is comfortable and tell anyone that like I mean. Hey if when you hear me doing a podcast I should ask something else or I'm interrupting too much. Whatever for it is like tell me because I want to do better? You take the feedback. Yeah Yeah I am really curious about your family and how you grew up so you left high school during your junior year to race on the European circuit. And then you move to a on your own and this was all while you were a teenager cracked and we've known you for about nineteen minutes looking at the timer but you seem pretty grounded normal. How did that happen? I don't think that if I had been left to my own devices or had success early on when I was even a late teenager. I don't know high what it turned out. How did how did you get? Yeah well with racing. It's a little interesting because there isn't that Markan time where you aren't with your family anymore. Now yes I did move to England. I was sixteen. I was there for three years pretty much on my own but I he came home and moved back in with my family. You know there was that break like you see in college where somebody goes to college and then they move away and they go play for team they get drafted apted and start to make millions of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars in professional sports at the age of twenty one and that just is not how it goes does and racing so much so I think that's part of it being around your family and the norm that you grew up with you know having good values and being undisciplined. Your parents seemed like they were obviously insanely supportive of you and this journey. How did they handle saying daughter? Grow into such a success. Asa a young age I mean I know they were proud like obviously they tell me that a lot on my dad for sure loved racing more than me. I mean it was definitely his thing so I think at times he would kind of project his own feelings onto the situation which wasn't always the best. It wasn't all just like roses but I think accounted They couldn't imagine if I didn't have the opportunity especially with going to England. They're like it's hard but I couldn't imagine that she didn't have the opportunity that'd be even worse. They're they're really supportive and yeah. They weren't scared to let me try either. Sometimes I think parents can project onto their own fear of things. That's one thing being that they didn't have didn't do right. I mean you could be afraid that your child would be endanger. You could be afraid that your child would fail and you're trying to protect them from that but really most all the time. Whatever you're feeling and projecting onto someone else has so much more to do do you than it does with them do you everything about the danger much more when I was done I was part of the broadcast for the indy? Five hundred this This this year after finishing up with that race last year and I felt the weight of like Whoa. These people are crazy. They can climb a wheel and launch into the stands pretty easily. You Know I. I was able to reflect on that when I was done but during it was an awareness but but not a real long thought process. Because it didn't serve me if you had to wait how competitive you are with yourself versus with others. How do you kind of think about how that works out I'm probably more competitive with myself. I guess holding myself to a high standard. I'm more hard on myself than I am with the other scenarios just to kind of scituate. That's in terms of timeline. You spent time in Europe. You come back. You're with your family and then you start with indie kind of a few years. I was nineteen eighteen and I came home and of Nineteen beginning being twenty years old at another ride when I was twenty. Three rows racing indycars. A what Moammar wet part in this kind of trajectory did you realize not only like. Are you getting a lot of attention because you're really good at what you're doing but also because you're really breaking ground for women when I was fourteen. Yeah Yeah Way earlier I was a freshman in high school. I think and I wasn't a very many years so probably was a couple of really wasn't even there my junior year So freshman high school and I had two different shows that came to my high school and filmed me One was ABC The network they were running a Sunday special called passenger. Play making a champion and the three girls Were Myself Alf. Tara Lipinski Annakournakova and we were all fourteen and so we were featured in that and then the other one was MTV. When MTV was really cool when they played the full music video loved it? When it wasn't just shows how did you make friends like being on the track where other people you're erasing visit other athletes in? Yeah Yeah I mean a lot of friends. I'm like don't I friendly west. Of course I'm friendly. I am too. You're from the Midwest I'm from Chicago. Oh yeah yeah well. Then I grew up near Rockford. Roscoe's those right on the state line. You make friends who kind of vibe with right like sometimes your teammates you love. Sometimes you hate them. Sometimes someone else you know. It's like everything else. You find your little spot lot with people because they are like you. I was reading about you. I was sort of struck that there was a moment in your career. Where you were having trouble getting funding and your dad add helped underwrite your career and you got a lot of criticism around how you were living your life and how you're spending money and what kind kind of came out with A? You're doing nothing different than how a male driver would be spending their time. But you were the one that came under fire and I am curious when you started to realize that you're getting judged differently. My parents were paying for me while I was racing in England for a big portion of that and my managers had caught wind in that I was going out too much and I mean I was going out I mean I was. I was living alone and I was You know I was probably seventeen at that point in time time so pretty much anything goes over there. Yeah and But yes I wasn't doing anything more than anyone else. So this wasn't as far as this was public criticism schism. I wasn't well known at all but this was more of a scenario internally about whether or not my managers we're GonNa continue to hell and so my parents thought well if you're not not really serious why are we doing this. What was I therefore So I think we all have these moments in our life or like. Yeah you're probably right you know. L. Human Nature is to kind of do the minimum and everybody's minimum is different but my minimum was different now. Because I was like I can't do any of these things anymore so I had some new rules going back If I was going to be supported I mean it was a little miserable but it was part of the growing. They're called growing pains for for reason. Because it's not that fun. What's Poon the race or the competition? That's meant the most you that you've done. Well I one. In Japan that was my indycar erased. I one and there was a big relief but I would say that the most pivotal thing for me was my very first indy. Five hundred just about qualified on the pole and I bought one the race Qualified Fourth I finished fourth. I almost spun in turn one on my lap of qualifying but still qualified fourth. which is kind of amazing? Because you know you have one little lift often you could drop a bunch of spots but still qualified really well and then it was really close and You know fuel was a little bit issue so that was the one that put mean on the map to stay away so I'm from Chicago. 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Dot com slash. Skim Quip. The Good Habits Company when you think about not being just an athlete but also an icon to a lot of women who are girls else that are considering racing or just I think any young girl growing up and seeing that this is something you can do. Is that heavy to you is. Is that something that you've ever actively think about while you were racing or has that come after more after the men. That kind of leads leads into why I have my own. podcast now is because when I was finishing up the last few years I did recognize that just is being out. There was enough for some people which you know. I think the reason why had such success along the way was because that was never enough for me to just be participant so I wanted to have that ability to inspire and help people grow and help people believe in themselves after my career And I was actually allows promoting my book pretty intense last year at the very beginning of the year. And I don't a few podcasts. I went on Joe Rogan. I went on rich role I went on John. Lewis houses show and I hadn't even grasped the podcast thing for me. I mean I know it's been around for years but I just not that actually I remember going on an atom corollas way way back in the first ever podcast ever existed back in his garage. Probably remember remember that and I was like what is this pot I mean so. It's not that I didn't know the word but I just didn't listen to him Watch clips on Youtube or something like that like people that posted it on Youtube. That was much more of my source and so I was like. How long is this interview like? Well take forty five minutes or I'm like what. Oh God how many and I did on but I felt such an energy from it and a rush of just like excitement and connection and you were able to go so much deeper and my life was twenty plus years of yeah way more thirty years of five to seven minute interviews right. That's all I knew. And this whole format Matt of podcast was so much different. But I felt energized by an hour of talking to someone deeply versus the drain of of a five minute interview or a couple of five minute interviews. So that was what really gave me the idea to have my own podcast. Who are your mentors when you're coming always an interesting question Because I just didn't have them I talk about being the person for other people but then on the other hand I also say they're like I wanNA grow up and be like you'll make you should want to grow up and be better than me like you shouldn't be like me. You should want to be yourself and I should maybe be some kind of inspiration to think big and not be afraid to do what you want. But it shouldn't just WanNa be like me right because you could never be like me and also I could never be like you. I can only do me right and you could only do great so I just didn't have them. Yeah I never wanted to be like anyone else. Was it lonely being on the circuit. No no I do think that the part that maybe made it the hardest was that karate because of a big office here and lots of people and you know camaraderie goes a long way in that environment that you work in the connection action and people working hard for each other and so it didn't dawn on me until the end of my career when I realized why I don't WanNa go to the shop and hang out and why don't like like get really into that side of things of team building. I'm a girl it was like. I had the thought of if the whole team was made up of girls I probably really the friends combat. I'd probably hang out all the time. But they're not and so either I don't relate to them at all or then you run that other different scenario of it's not appropriate appropriate Going to dinner with one of the guys on the team. I've thought we've had this coming up with work a lot for us. It's been obviously well documented. Most sources of funding come from men and part of how you start develop relationships with the investors is like you need to socialize with really closely with them and we're lucky that there's always usually two of us but there have been instances we had One of our male advisors now we laugh about it but there was supposed to be a dinner where it was gonna GonNa be the two of us in him going and she had to cancel and it was just me and him we kinda afterwards. Todd we both were hoping the other was gonNA cancel because we felt uncomfortable being spotted spotted. Friday night Jenner. And we laugh about it. Now get so stupid but you had to think that way and it obviously at times can limit access to mentorship it can limit access now. It's comforting to sort of hear that you experience that yeah you to commit. That was my whole existence was with all guys and so it makes sense. That's why it was harder for me to develop the personal relationships and Camaraderie within because I either didn't relate. It wasn't appropriate so so now you've got books you've got the clothing line. You've got the wine company. What did you learn about business from the years on the circuit or do you feel like you were starting from square one in starting all of these different business ventures? There was a lot of a feeling of square one. uh-huh running businesses versus being an element of business because with racing. I wasn't calling a ton of shots like I wasn't hiring. My engineer was an hiring. My crew wasn't hiring. My who's endowed by the team. Does that okay. So the sponsor comes in and pays a chunk of money and and I give them x amount of days of my services of appearances and photo shoots and whatever else and then I go drive the car. So so there's like so much that's out of your control So there's less to do. I find that so interesting because part of what I imagine you love about racing is that you are in control and then when so much of your existence then is not in your control. Well that's what I learned a NASCAR. The car was so critical to performing. And so if they didn't believe in you And they didn't put the time and effort into developing Matt car and massaging on it as they would say and taking care of the details than the difference between good and average was big as you go into these other ventures and really kind of solidify your role as a business woman. What are you scared of? I mean I just don't want him to fail. I was the same in Racing Mon asked me what was my biggest fear. I'd say failing that's the same thing. What is one venture in your growing business empire? You haven't taken on yet that you want to Probably something in in the space of cooking. I mean. My Book has recipes that I wrote but I really love cooking. Actually somebody asked me recently. What do I do that I love to do that? The result doesn't matter you know 'cause I'm pretty result yeah oriented And I just like to be good at things so I just don't really like to do them so so but cooking and mind you. I'm good at cooking. But the result isn't so critical. Yeah a guy just enjoy the process and something that I really just just enjoy doing casually I love to entertain. I love to cook for myself. I mean I can make my plate for one at home if I'm alone. Look beautiful just because I enjoy the art of it and we with our eyes and it's part of the process and it's just something creative so whether it's for a lot of people are just myself self just a process I enjoy so that's probably one thing that hasn't been realized in a business sense Other than the recipes in the book. We're GONNA move to our favorite segment. Okay the lightning around. You should be good at this fast paced expectations first job job. I worked at the limited to worst loved limited to to to. I wasn't a very employees. Though last book your at I'm I'm in the midst of reading mindset but I finished meet your soul by at least Romeo. I reread that Not a pun intended this time but What drives you now now Doing things that energize me whereas professional mistake you've made ours at the indy five hundred and I qualified really well every year until this year and I got out of the car and I said it wasn't my fault and I heard that for for the rest of my career for quite a while. Anyway for years I'd qualified in the top ten or eleven every year and this time was really bad and it was scary as hell out there and that was pretty dumb to say. First call when you get good news. Also probably Hayley Erin. WHO's the first is calling? You got bad news. It's either Haley. My best friend business manager assistant do all. I can't even call you anything because you just do too many jobs but or my boyfriend Aaron. When was the last time you negotiated for yourself? That's what I have to do. More all the time with businesses as in coming to New York here and doing podcasts shows I have a booker. And she's been helping but sitting down with my boyfriend and he's he's like you need to reach out to people you can just send a message to create relationships. Unlike you're right like I am so used to everybody doing everything for me down to opening the door I I mean years ago I realized I walk through I all the time. I'm like I gotta let people walk through the door. I I'd they have to be like that and so I am so autopilot to just giving someone the job of doing something. So that's probably the most recent thing that I'm like. Yeah you're right right. I have time critic relationships and talk to the people. You WanNa talk to. Instead of just someone that had talent booker you know finds in their rolodex. WHO's your dream? PODCAST GUEST OPRAH same. Do you WanNa teach me on a drive if you want me to okay. Thanks Shameless Plug podcast pretty intense. PODCAST by Danika Craig. 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