GSMC Book Review Podcast Episode 211: Interview with Juliet Cutler


Golden state media concepts bring you book review podcast haven for Bookworm of all ages and the whitest genres from the mystery to memoirs romance to Comedy Fantasy Scifi. If you love to read this is a podcast. It's the Golden State the concepts Book Review Podcast Hello and welcome to the G. S. C. Book Review podcast brought to you by the GMC. PODCAST network I am your host. Sarah and I hope you're having a wonderful week so far coming off of a great weekend I just spent A little over a week on jury duty. It was my first time ever sitting on a jury. It was a criminal trial. We reached a verdict. I'M NOT GONNA go into detail tale about the case but it was equal parts interesting and insanely boring. That's all I can say about that Sometimes yeah it was. It was interesting at other points it was like poof. I mean I knew it wasn't going to like it was on TV. But wow I wasn't expecting the my coffee is not strong enough for this bottom portion of the trial at any rate it is Tuesday and we have an author interview as says usual. This author is Well a former coworker of mine. Her name is Juliet Cutler. And it's it's kind of strange. Hey it's kind of strange. How many people I know who have written books and who have been coming on the podcast? I think that's amazing that I have so many writer and author friends in my relatively small circle of acquaintances. It's also interesting for me to have spoken with Juliet yet about her book because we were together over twenty years ago at a Lutheran summer camp in Montana. I may have spoken about it before. I don't even know so. We knew each other for ten weeks one summer in nineteen ninety seven. I think maybe ninety the eight think it worked there ninety seven and ninety eight so ninety seven probably and I have not seen her since you know our lives took us in different directions directions in fact before we started recording. We spent some time catching up. You know incredibly briefly on the last twenty three years since we not quite right twenty three years but over twenty years since we last saw each other and so it's strange to have a conversation with someone that you knew in a very specific setting for a very brief time breath and then over twenty years later have a conversation so you know you kind of know them but not really at any rate it was. It was a lot of fun to catch up with Juliet and to talk about this book which I found fascinating and you might be thinking to yourself. Would you just tell me the name of the book please. And Yes yes I shall. The book is called among the MASCI. It is a memoir of that. It is by Juliet Cutler. In one thousand nine hundred nine Juliette Cutler leaves the United States to teach at the first school from SL girls in East Africa marking the beginning of a twenty year journey to empower young Masci women. Through education working alongside local teachers cutler is transformed by the community she finds in Tanzania and by witnessing the life-changing impacts of education on her our students many of whom face staggering poverty forced marriages genital cutting and other forms of gender based violence. That is the description of this memoir. It covers those two years of teaching but also A lot of what has gone on in the in the twenty years since Since she started teaching there and her continued relationship with the school and her her evolving role in that relationship. I I found this book to be so fascinating a because it's calm again. Someone I knew very briefly and now I'm getting this glimpse into her life and a life that I didn't know much about but also because I didn't know a lot about the mass I I I know a little bit. He from readings here and there. But this gives a really good perspective on how their culture is changing because they are a nomadic society so how that is evolving as the world around them changes how is changing in terms terms of education especially educating girls and Juliet's perspective on that especially coming in as an outsider and and a white outsider. She she's so thoughtful conscientious of that role her role as a white American coming in being being perceived in a certain way her history. You know maybe not personally sleep but obviously the cultural history of of colonialism and how that affects a white person's relationship with with a colonized people she just does really masterful job of delving into all of these topics and bringing it together in a memoir are that is so engaging and so easy to read and experienced I say it reads almost like the novel. It's not quite a novel. But because she intertwines not only her story but The story of some of her students you get different aspects in different perspectives. And so you get a bit of those novel like qualities and I really really enjoyed. It and I learned a lot of from Tom this book. So let's go ahead and turn out to the interview with Juliet Cutler again. The book is among the Masci a memoir. Hi Juliet Eliot welcome to the PODCAST. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for having me Sarah. It is wonderful to have you here and I am excited to talk about your her memoir. It's called among them aside before we get to the memoir though if you could share just a little bit about yourself So my listeners can get to know you a bit that would be great. It sure My Name is Juliet Cutler and I currently live just outside of Atlanta in a small community called Sarah and be. That's that's focused on art the environment and culture so it's sort of an interesting place and then it's built around an organic farm as well I've lived lived a number of different places. I moved to Atlanta from Amsterdam where my husband and I lived for about six years. We've also lived in Minneapolis. Saint Paul and I grew up in Montana part of that. biography is is in the narrative of my memoir. But that's a little bit about who I am professionally. I work as a planner. Planner and writer for clients around the world developing educational programs and exhibits for places like national and State Parks Museums museums. Nature centers places like that. Wow that sounds like a really fascinating. I mean just from the overview sounds very interesting I We could probably have a whole long conversation just about your life but Since the book podcast. We'll the jump to. The book is a memoir. They said And it's called among them aside. So can you give a bit of an overview of the story right so the story is largely set Right at the twin at the turn of the twenty first century so I went over or just after I had finished my undergrad degree and I had I was partway through my graduate degree I came out of my Undergrad as a certified English. Josh teacher and I heard the stories of these young Maasai women who so desperately wanted to go to school that they would run away from. I'm home Show up on the doorstep of the Secondary School and beg for a place there The Maasai has historically herded cattle saddling goats in the Great Rift Valley. And I think as the twenty percents you wrote twenty-first-century approach Based a lot of changes to their historical land and water rights as well as encroachment of globalization and. I think these young women really saw education as a pathway to a better future and so I was really moved by those stories of these young women and their plight and volunteered to teach in east Africa for two years. I was there as a volunteer English teacher. And so this this memoir really tells the story of what it was like as a young American to go abroad To work there for two years in a culture that was radically different from from my own. It talks a lot about my transformation. The things that I learned from that process it also shares the stories of some of my students students and the issues that they faced as young Maasai Women So it's sort of a coming of age story in many ways The story continues continues through though really almost to the present in that it talks about what it was like to come back to the United States and then sort of paint the picture of what this school aw has achieved over the last twenty years in the transpiration of young women's lives who live on the margins where poverty the and and violence is very prevalent. We're going to go ahead and take our first break of the podcast when we come back we speaking about a young woman in the book who has certain parallels to Juliet's story so stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC Book Review. PODCAST and I'll be right back. Are you tired of the same news or are you sick of the seemingly endless political spin negatively the diaz. MCI America's Still Beautiful Pot path is the weekly news podcast covering all the top positive and uplifting news stories we cover stories that will inspire uplift and remind remind you love the good in the world tune into the golden state media concepts. America's still beautiful podcast to get all the great and positive news stories of today. Download the GS empty. America's still beautiful podcast on itunes stitcher soundcloud Google play or anywhere podcast just tight GS MC in the search bar welcome back to the MC book. Review podcast I am speaking today with Juliet Cutler about her memoir among the Maasai. And let's go ahead and get back to that interview. Yeah and There is a young woman in the book. it. It feels like you kind of tell her story in parallel with yours and Please pronounce her name for me. Because I don't want to butcher it starts yet. It's the Nita and I do. The book starts really with with her story of what it means to grow up being Maasai aside and the the challenges that she faces as a young woman trying to find her way in the world and and that leads her to more or less run away from home to this school and it traces her story sort of what she faces related to things like arranged emerges. And the Maasai. Still Practice of female genital cutting as part of a coming of age ceremony and then and then traces her all the way through college education and Well my story obviously is radically different from hers. And that I come from a very different place in a very different culture I also left home to explore a big broad world and learn from that process and so there are some parallels in the ways in which ninety two and I come to understand that the the world is a lot bigger than we thought. It was at the beginning of the book and one thing that really appreciated about the book. Especially your time I am teaching. There was obviously you went over with you. Know your experience your life experience and encountered a vastly different culture alter some of your students that were also encountering a different culture than what they'd grown up with. But what I as I said I appreciated about the book. Was Your your your struggle your journey however you want to describe it with figuring out what your role. was there how you could help without bringing I mean so much cultural baggage in terms of being. Oh wait person in an African Community CETERA. Can you talk a little bit about That process for you and and what you learned from the experience absolutely So as I said earlier earlier I grew up in Montana and a crow Indian. Reservation is not that far from where I grew up so I grew up understanding the long history of of white intervention and indigenous populations. And how that's led to a lot of challenges for American Indian communities here in the United States and so. That was the lens that I brought with. When I went to Tanzania certainly I wanted to help I went there because because I thought I could help but I didn't want to inculcate my own ideas or cultures on on a different culture church and so I was very careful in terms of doing my homework about the school? It was established by a group of Maasai elders who really saw the ways in which their culture was being stressed and threatened as a globalization approached. When I was there we didn't have any telephone service? But now if you go to Tanzania you'll see them aside still hurting their cattle and goats while talking on cell phones and so you know sort of this global culture was approaching and So these Maasai elders saw education as a pathway forward to develop new leaders that would face new new challenges in the twenty first century and in their wisdom They saw that girls had traditionally not had many opportunities that all for education right and and so they really needed to create a special place for girls. workers could thrive and and gain education in order order to sort of develop a balanced leadership for the future and so those are really the roots of the school in terms of The idea and the inception exception for it. Of course those Maasai Elders partnered with a nonprofit organization here in the United States called operation bootstrap Africa that provides most most of the funding for the school. So the roots of the school really are coming from Through the Maasai request for assistance in doing this work doc. Certainly one of the things I learned as part of being there is that we always come with our culture that sort of impossible to leave behind and and so now I did my best to sort of follow the lead of local people and Rather than sort of coming in and saying you know I have the answers and I'm here to save you Sort of saying I'm here to help please guide and direct me in the ways. I can be most helpful to you. Yeah and you You went with your then boyfriend fiance. And now you're married. You went with another person. Did you A and he worked at another school close by. But did you have have a lot of. What Am I? Trying to say. I would imagine that your conversations on all of these topics were a huge part part of your lives and your relationship at that time Did you find that it helps to have someone that very close to you. to have those conversations nations with the clarify or two or Did it help give you any different perspective. How with that in terms of that? That's a pretty Incredible label relationships steps. So how would that for the two of you I think this experience in Tanzania really defined who we who we are individually and who we are as a couple it shaped the way we view the world and our role in it it And so all of those things are sort of foundational ultimately to marriage that you have a similar outlook. But I think it wasn't just mark. Who's my now husband who I shared this journey with? I think whenever you have a big experience in life that that challenges you and shapes you it's important to have friends and mentors along the way and certainly mark was then then. Is that to me but there were also some key people. I talk about in the book. who were a bit older than us and served as mentors or one of those was a Tanzanian educator named Doctor Geely he served as a local mentor to both of US guiding us as we navigated our way in a different culture and then we had some Americans who were there who also served as mentors to us and resources just in in in dealing with some of the things that you deal with when you're when you're in a different culture and also when you live in a place of of deep poverty and so I talk in the book a little bit about out to Jean and Marv they were a couple that were placed at the same school that I taught at and then there was another couple Doug Again Linda. Also Americans who served as volunteer coordinators in Tanzania and they also served as a resource to us. So I think you know for the people who might be considering undertaking of volunteer excursion and another place. Finding a support system is important into whether it be amongst local people amongst the people you go with or or even amongst sort of resources that maybe foreign but familiar on the ground there And how was it to be in a relationship and get married need From your own cultural perspective well living in a place that has very different understandings of marriage and gender roles so that was a little nervous for us at first you know we went into the experience so sort of having been coached that courtship looks a lot different sprint in Tanzania than it does your in America among the Maasai there. There isn't really courtship marriages are arranged. And so how how you behave as a young couple in a context where the rules are different about how you relate to one another that said I think we were granted rented a lot of leeway because people understood that we were different and we came from a different place and so once we got there. It wasn't as awkward as we thought it might be and the local schools that we taught at their As you said earlier I was at the Maasai Girls. Secondary School and mark was at Marine Gays Acquaintance Secondary Mary School so both are boarding schools as are most secondary schools in Tanzania. Because there aren't the resources for a robust system of public like high schools anyway and These schools were only about a mile apart and the staff came together to throw us a wedding shower our when we when we came back from getting married and so it was really delightful to be welcomed in that that way as a couple and To be part part of their culture cultural sort of celebrations related to marriage. But then we also had a wedding here in the states and I talk in the book a little bit about about how that was a sort of odd experience to have been living in Tanzania and come back home and sort of walk back into your own culture. Sure which now seems somehow a bit foreign as if you don't altogether fit and also to come from a place of deep poverty to place of wealth and you know. How do you navigate? When you know your friends and colleagues back in Tanzania Antonia sometimes struggle to send their children to school struggle to for the Maasai many of them struggle to feed their children? You come from that kind of a context to context next of in some ways excess. And how do you navigate that. How do you come to terms with that? And so I talk a lot in the book about that that in relationship to our wedding but also in relationship to coming back to the United States to live on a more permanent basis. Let's go ahead and take our second break of the podcast cast when we come back Juliette what we're talking about Some of the big picture things that she learned from her experience. Some of the non big picture things. She learned learned from her experiences in Tanzania so stay tuned you're listening to the GMC Book Review Podcast. And I'll be right back. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than podcast lists with endless Hours of podcast covered from news. Sports music fashion cooking entertainment fantasy football and so much more so stop blurted around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guarantee to build that podcast. Whatever it may be visit us a sad? WWW DOT MC podcast dot com follow us on facebook and twitter download on itunes soundcloud and Google Claire. And welcome back to the and the book of You. PODCAST and the continuation of my interview with Juliet. Cutler what would you say The biggest learning learning experience was for you in those two years. Well I think there are a couple of big takeaways as for me One I alluded to earlier. That as an out I I. I sometimes say change doesn't come from the outside in. It comes from the inside out and so as a foreigner coming into place with good intentions. I think I learned that. It's always our role to follow rather than lead and I think that's not always easy for Westerners because we're used to coming in with that's our plans and our timelines and our budgets and getting everyone in order and sort of moving toward a goal but that's not always helping operate great and other places and so really to come in and take a step back and listen rather than lead and so that was sort of a big piece of learning from mm-hmm and also just a recognition that there are many Tanzania Maasai people who intimately know the issues that they face and how how to solve them and our leaders in their communities already and so really we have to empower those folks to solve the problems that they alrighty know how to solve but sometimes lack the resources to solve and so we're really there as as helpers and supporters of those local people so that was sort out of one big takeaway and then I think the other takeaway for me was. I think it was the first time in my life that I had really been confronted with my own privilege and just the opportunities that I had simply because I was American I was white. I was you know relatively affluent compared to the rest of the world and it never had really occurred to me that all of that was just kind of a given and for a lot of people around the world like eighty percent of the rest of the world. They just don't have access to the same things that I have access to just because of where I was born and so that was something that should've squarely hit between the eyes many times while I was living in Tanzania. Yeah yeah and I can only imagine that it was just an incredible Two years there's Full of a lot of Learning and You know amazing experiences but also difficult experiences. I know you have had a relationship with the school there since you left teaching so Can you talk a little bit about that relationship. And how it has evolved. Sure so so I think one of the realizations sort of came from those two pieces of learning that I just talked about was that Those of us who who have some privilege and have some power have a responsibility to wield that privilege and power responsibly and to empower and give back to to those Who who are looking for those kinds of opportunities and so I think coming back I really felt that it was important to maintain this relationship with the school and to continue to support the work of local leaders there and so I go back almost on an annual basis now Largely my role now is as a fundraiser here. In the United States there are a couple of organizations nations that continue to support the work in Tanzania I smoke about one earlier operation bootstrap Africa. They provided all the funding to construct the school. Oh but also scholarships for all the students who attend that school and they've been doing that for twenty five years now so along deep connection there and then what are the other pieces of learning. That came out of my time in Tanzania is that sometimes it's not enough just to give a girl a scholarship colors ship and get her to school because if she doesn't feel safe at home or in her community than she may not finish school and I talk in the book about a couple of young women who face issues of violence at home and the effective active that ultimately on their lives and their education and so doctors and Julie who was a mentor of ours there he he started a safehouse shortly after we left and the safehouses a place for young women who aren't safe at home To be during school breaks so that that they don't sort of face the risk of not being able to come back to school for for whatever reason whether whether it be that they're forced into a marriage or In Tanzania this law has changed within the last six months but it used to be that It was illegal to readmit a young woman to secondary school. Once she'd had a baby and so that that law has fortunately just changed. I but so for a young woman who might go home during a school break get raped. She's pregnant that sort of immediately then answer education. And that's still a pretty prevalent practice in Tanzania but fortunately it's no longer the law and so you know he would create the safe house He created the State House. Where are young women could go and have a safe place to be so that they could finish their educations and that work has been funded Largely largely through Luther partners in global ministry but also is partnered with a local. They call them NGOs in the international community but non-governmental organisation which is what we call nonprofits called One Gaza and Gaza is led entirely by Tanzanians and they. They're focused on how to make school safe places for kids. But also on empowering women and girls through community based education programs around so those are the ways that I remain connected there in supporting those organizations in the work that they're doing By raising money here among Americans by by writing this book. All proceeds from the sale of the book are going back to support these two organizations. That are just spoke about so the impetus for the book really came about. I think on the one hand. It was an effort for me to sort of process what this whole experience had meant to me but it was also meant to be a tool to raise awareness about the issues that young women and girls face not only in east Africa but around the world and the ways in which we might support an uplift. These young women. Thank you for that. I really appreciate it what would you hope that readers would take away from the book I think the biggest takeaway I would have for. Readers is the profound effect that education has on women and girls who live in poverty It really does have the power to transform lives Research in the field of international development sort of bears out that the single most effective intervention for poverty alleviation is the education particularly for women and girls in the developing world. And so I think the the book really paints that picture of how Young Maasai Women and have benefitted from education. One of the really great things about twenty years of retrospect is that I know what's happened to many of my students percents No graduates of the Maasai. Secondary School for girls are now in all sectors of Tanzania. They are Leaders within is in their own communities. But they've also started nonprofit organizations that are addressing some of the most pressing issues for the Maasai which are landing water rights rights access to education and healthcare They are teachers pastors attorneys We have one graduate WHO's spoken at the United Nations Nations Permanent Forum on a digital issues a few times now and so These young women have come from very very humble beginnings to it really be leaders not just among the Maasai but internationally in some cases and so that's really the way's education then makes a difference. I think you know. Readers may not have a particular affinity for supporting Maasai Girls' education. But what I would say as Airways to support the education of women and girls where you live and this is the need all over the world and so I I hope readers there's will be inspired by the stories of these young women in the ways that education can transform lives. Yeah Thank you for that. It's obviously Something that is very near and dear to your heart in Europe passionate about it so I appreciate that. And it's it's time for our final break of the podcast when we come back Before we get to the conclusion of this interview we will get my normal random question. Awkward Heard Interview Question. You know how it is so you won't you won't WanNa miss that stay tuned you're listening to the MC Book Review Podcast and I will be right-back pep springs such joy to our lives and the MC pets podcast is here to a share in that joy. We'll tell stories of pets finding their forever homes acting in unexpected ways being helpful or just being silly whether you love dogs cats llamas reptiles fish or you'd never met an animal you didn't like the MC pets podcast is for you. Yeah yeah welcome back to the the book view. PODCAST and the conclusion of my interview with author Juliet Cutler lightly random question. Are you fluent in Swahili I think fluent would be taking it too far far. You know it's been twenty years. They lives there and so Of course I go back and I have an opportunity to practice when I'm there but my swale healey is very rusty and So I think I was somewhat functional when I lived there but to say that I was fluent would be probably probably an overstatement of my language skill. I I asked because you know a they do a ten project a lot while I'm reading a book and think of myself in a situation and I'm just amazed when people go to a culture where we do not speak the language You know fluently or I mean conversation. Lee is one thing but I I just don't know that I'm that brave to go and try to speak to people the language that is not my own so I I am impressed with people who can do that. Well one of the first things we did when we arrived in country was spend spend. I think it was about six weeks at a language school and I mean that gave the a working knowledge but learning foreign languages has always. It's been a struggle for me so I think I cobbled it together and made it work but I think it wasn't without i. I mean I think you have to have a good sense of humor sometimes the things that come out of your mouth or not what you intend or or there's just funny situations that arise but we. We had to learn to laugh at ourselves quite a bit there. would you Would you like to write another book whether a memoir or something else. I think the short answer to that is yes. I don't have a specific project on the horizon right now. I did just finish Book for the National Park Foundation. It's a junior ranger book about the transcontinental railroad so professionally. I do a lot of writing and I think it would be fantastic to write a book for one of the sites sites that I work at. I often get to work at historically significant sites or places that have beautiful natural resources this is and I think that would be possible for me in terms of a book. That's this close to my my heart heart and sort of this personal. I don't know that I have another book like that but maybe another book. Okay thank you and I. I know you do a lot of writing as you said for your for your work and you've written It's throughout your your professional life. How was writing this memoir different or or even Inspired by some of the other writing that you've done in your life well. I think anybody who reads the book will find that I. It's a deeply personal book. I don't I don't pull punches. And I- reveal a lot about what the experience agreeance meant to me. And in some cases the toll it took on me and so in that way writing. This book was a very emotional process for me and said earlier that I wrote it to process with the experience meant and so it took me almost a decade to write this book and it really did start As an effort to make sense of of the experience and then sort of evolved into a Book Project and the manuscript was finished for a couple of years. I sat on it because I wasn't really sure I wanted to make myself vulnerable. And the way that I do in the book and put this into of the world and some friends read it and said you you really need to. You really need to publish this and and so then it took me a while to find a publisher and and go through that process so I would say you know. This book is something that's personally important born to me And was an emotional experience to rights and sort of a processing kind kind of experience whereas professional in writing that I do is I mean I think they're still emotional components to the professional writing. I do because frequently the work that I do it was about protecting these really important. Natural resources are talking about history. That's shaped who we are as a nation or as a culture and so really the way to draw readers in no matter whether you're writing a book or rather your writing exhibit content is to appeal to those sort of universal rely deals and emotions that we share and so I think that that sort of commonality and the writing that I do but I think in my professional life It's sort of feels a lot. More like an academic process than than the writing of this book was sure. So out of your Your particular Experience with writing and Writing this book. Would you have advice for aspiring authors. I think for me writing as as much art as it is discipline discipline and so I really have to sort of identify writing as my job. And it's the thing even on days when I don't feel like it that I sit down and I do and and that and it's a job and so I think for aspiring authors. You you know. Sometimes I do what I what is called time boxing. Where like I don't WanNa right today but I know I need to write today and so time boxing is saying I'm in Right for thirty minutes and then I'M GONNA stand up for ten and then I'm a right for thirty minutes and I'M GONNA stand up for ten. Where where you sort of? Give yourself a set amount of time that you're gonNA write even if it sucks in every way and so sometimes I just have to do that in order to to force it and so I say for aspiring authors. Sometimes it's about creating discipline about of around your writing practice. That's been important to me but also I think in terms of aspiring authors who inspired fire to publish I think the publishing landscape is shifting radically and has been for a while and so i. I think it's important to find your niche in terms of where you fit and for me it was a small independent. The press that publishes only women writers but for other writers that there might be a different niche. But I think educating yourself as much as as you can about the way. The publishing industry is changing and Finding your path there is not without its challenges but important as important as the writing work. So when you take the time to read for for yourself. Do you have favorite or genres that you turn to. That's a good question choosing favorite author favorite genres kind of like asking. You need to choose a favorite food. It depends on the day and what I feel like I will say that I am a big fan of Nicholas Kristof and Sheryl Real Wudunn. They wrote a book a number of years ago. That sort of inspired me to write the book that I've written which is half the sky and that title title is based on A. I believe it's a Chinese proverb that women hold. Hold up half the sky and they tell story of a number of different women's women across the Globe and the challenges that those women face and they're out with a new book right now that at the top of my list. I haven't read it yet. But it's called tight rope and that's actually really focused here domestically around the plight of the middle class and I'm excited about that book I've also recently finished Melinda the gates book moments of Blessed and again she. She's talking in that book about women's issues around the world and so certainly I like to read other authors. Who are writing about issues that are important to me? Sort of more on the fiction side. I I've I've finished a book recently by Yossi called home going and that's the book of fiction that set both in West Africa but also here in the United Right States and I think the theme that runs through that is the way that violence resonates through generations. And so it's really the story of of slavery and its impact here in America but also in West Africa specifically on a specific family. And then I think sort of my all time favorite books are the Harry Potter series. A great escape into a world. Where are good rains over evil? Sometimes you just need that Yeah on any given day where can people find you on social media and the Internet. Do you have a a website. Where can people interact with you? I do have a website. It's it's just my name so Juliet Cutler Dot Com and there are a number of resources on there for people who are interested in the issues. He's that I've talked about today. namely empowering women through education. There's also a book group Guide with some questions for people people who might WanNa read this as part of a book club and then there's also links there to the organizations that I spoke about today operation bootstrap Africa Okay and when Gaza if you're interested in supporting this work further As I said earlier just by buying the book you're supporting to work because the proceeds proceeds are going back to these causes. But that's where I am on the Internet and then I'm on all social media platform so you can find me on facebook. INSTAGRAM and twitter. Okay thank you for that. We have talked about A variety of different topics. But is there anything that we have not covered that you wanted to mention in terms of the memoir in terms of the Maasai In terms of writing anything that we haven't talked about. No I think we've really covered the ground. I appreciate the opportunity to join you on your podcast. We'll thank you so much for being here with me I greatly appreciate it and The book is Great. It's it reads a bit like a novel. And so it's it's it's a good read and a very educational. Thanks so much. There'a thank you once again to Juliet for joining me to talk about her memoir. Thank you as always to you. My listeners Sner I appreciate you so much and if you are a fan of this podcast this is my usual spiel plea. What have you for you to subscribe? Subscribe to this podcast so you can be the first to get new episodes. Follow us on social media like re tweets do all of those wonderful things that help us out and the thing that helps us felt very most ticket this podcast out more book lovers like you is a a nice five star review on I tunes or what have I guess. It's apple podcasts. Now isn't it But those five star reviews are extremely helpful so if you are so inclined I would be very appreciative. Thank you as always to you my listeners. 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