Democrat Beshear defeats Trump-backed Bevin for Kentucky governor


The show we had nine stern on. MSNBC turning out to be a very interesting election night tonight all across the country tree voters headed to the polls tonight in off year elections and off your elections means that there's like a little something happening electorally everywhere and in a few states. There's is a lot happening for example every two years on the off years we get every seat in the Virginia State House and Senate on the ballot. You might remember in two thousand seventeen gene so two years ago right. Last time we had a big off year election. Virginia there was a huge blue wave in Virginia. Remember that the Democratic candidates running for the State House in Virginia two years ago got more than two hundred thousand more votes than their Republican opponents and they were running against but it was a fascinating thing to watch election results two years ago in Virginia because getting the most votes didn't translate into Democrats getting the most seats in the Virginia House that year because because the Republicans had gerrymandered the state so badly to make it easier for them to win more seats even when they didn't have more votes when the results adults came in in Virginia two years ago tonight Republicans even though they'd had to wonder thousand fewer votes than the Democrats they had won fifty seats in the State House House while Democrats and only one forty nine. It was nuts it was like a perfect distillation of how gerrymandering works. Get all the votes you want. Were still taking all the seats in the Virginia House. Couple years ago there was one race outstanding that actually took weeks to call the winner of that last race ultimately decided who who got to take control of the State House that last race in the Virginia House twenty twenty seventeen came down to a literal tie. Each candidate had received the the exact same number of votes and so to break the tie which ultimately decided who got that seat which decided partisan control of the house they ended ended up writing the candidates names on pieces of paper they slip them into film canisters. They drew the winner out of a blue ceramic bowl. It was the Republican candidate who ended up winning that race. His his name got pulled out of the ball and so it was the Republicans who ended up with control of the State House even though they were wildly outvoted by the Democrats in two thousand seventeen. That was Virginia last time. That's how the the crazy way. The balance of power in the State House in Virginia got decided two years ago. Democrats winning more or votes. Democrats not therefore getting more seats and ultimately the whole thing being decided by scraps of paper and a bowl. Well now two years later. It's election day again. Among other places in Virginia every single seat in the Virginia legislature is on the ballot and this year for the first time since the drawing names out of a bowl election. Virginia voters will head to the polls in a state that has been on gerrymandered. Oh the state's legislative map got gerrymandered by court order which means that this time unlike two years ago if Democrats again win tons more votes than their Republican opponents though those votes have a much much better shot of actually translating into Democrats taking seats in the legislature and thereby taking control of the state government to win Democratic Control Role in Virginia Democrats would have to flip just two seats in the State House tonight and just one seat in the state Senate if they pull that off tonight. Democrats would be ultimately taking full control of Virginia State Government for the first time in about a quarter of a century so off your elections are always interesting they tend to be sort of bellwethers. People tend to extrapolate from them a lot in terms of what's going to happen in the next big midterm election year the next big presidential election year. They're always interesting particularly Virginia. Jinya has been dramatic of the last couple of years but for states all over the country that are having big elections right now tonight turning out to be very intriguing evening for example Yep. We are keeping an eye on two big governors races tonight one in Mississippi and as of right now that is too close to call. It's only four percent in so don't get yourself too excited there. But the difference there is less than three hundred votes between the two of them again wildly too early to call with only four four percent in the Republican candidate. There's tate reeves. The Democrat candidate is Jim. We're also watching the governor's race in Kentucky this. We've got a lot more vote in and this one that is getting so interesting. It's got me worried about Steve. KORNACKI SR blood pressure. The Governor Kentucky is a Republican named Matt. Bevin Bevin has been the governor of Kentucky ocoee since two thousand fifteen in theory on paper. It shouldn't be an open question whether a Republican governor can get reelected in a deep red state like Kentucky but but Matt Bevin is a special kind of guy a special kind of Kentucky Republican governor in the sense that people don't seem who like him very much as governor he has pushed hard to claw back Medicaid expansion in his state and that may sound like a wonky issue. It's not something up on but in the bottom at the bottom line. What he has been trying to do with Medicaid expansion with throw hundreds of thousands of Kentucky inns off their health insurance prince and the governor has championed that he has also picked? Aggressive fights sometimes sort of dirty fights with the state's public schoolteachers and also with the state's law enforcement community. And so when you when you pick fights with those kind of folks who tend to be heroes to most regular Americans you end up as Matt. Bevin is being pretty wildly unpopular as an incumbent sitting governor. He's one of the most unpopular governors in the entire country. And so there have been sort of low key rumblings for several weeks. That Governor Matt Bevin and Kentucky might be in trouble as he tries to hold onto the governor's mansion in today's election last night. President Trump held a rally in Kentucky to try to give Matt Bevin a boost on the eve of election day today president trump. Of course one in Deep Red Kentucky lucky by thirty points. This is the map of his electoral victory right. Just a Red Swath and Kentucky from November Twenty Sixteen President Trump himself last night night basically warned Matt Bevin that he shouldn't blow the enormous built in advantage that trump was throwing his way and this plus thirty trump state. If you lose they say trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world. This was the greatest. You can't let that happen to me. Me President Schlepping to Kentucky to support Republican governor. Matt Matt Bevin last night again. A state that trump won by thirty points sort of been a huge huge push to get Matt Bevin over the finish line not to mention the fact that it's a red state not to mention the fact that he's an incumbent may not have been enough though. This is what we are watching watching right now. The Kentucky Governor's race is too close to call and look up in the upper right hand corner of your screen. There ninety nine percent of the vote in with ninety nine percent of the vote in it is the Democrat. Andy Ashir who is in the lead. It's a slim lead less than ten thousand votes. The Democrat in this race is Andy Bashir. He's the Attorney General Right now in Kentucky Kentucky is Red Estate as they come but Kentucky has had a democratic governor before and not that long ago the last Democratic governor happened to also be named Bushier because it was Andy. Beshir's dad so attorney general. Andy Bashir is not an unknown. Norris's family name an unknown named Kentucky voters. But it looks like tonight. They might make him their next governor. They may have him ousting the state's incumbent Republican although again too close to call at this hour joining us now to make sense of all of this as MSNBC national political critical horse binding. Steve Kornacki our elections wizard. Steve What can you tell us. Wow so to put this in some perspective here you say ninety nine percent we can show you exactly what the margin margin is in where the votes are left the margin right now that means not sure why this is green but we'll go with that nine thousand nine hundred forty seven. That's Andy Beshir's lead lead now. Where are the votes left? You can see there are two pieces of gray left on your screen. That's not all but that is most these are two county sheriff Grayson County. So there's no vote vote here now. This is a Republican county. Here's what I can tell. You can do a little bit of the Matthew and figure out where this may be going in. Two Thousand Fifteen with Matt Bevin ran for governor the first time in one one one Grayson County Republican. We expect that he's margin here was about fifteen hundred votes. Okay now we've been seeing much higher turnout across Kentucky Today Eh. We've been seeing BEV and do well. In this part of the state so his margin we can expect will be significantly higher than fifteen hundred. Just a ballpark. Guess you're let's say it was twenty five hundred okay. So let's say he. You got a twenty five hundred or so margin Grayson County. I think they'll just disappear when I press this. Let's see unfortunately it did but remember that number twenty five hundred because the other big the other big county left is Ballard. The other outstanding piece of real estate and hear his margin was three hundred and twenty two votes in two thousand fifteen small county again. Let's let's say higher turnout strong Bevan. Let's say he got that up to six hundred so remember the numbers I gave you. Were twenty five hundred and six hundred. What does that add up to? That would add up to about thirty one hundred and a real rosy scenario for Bevan he'd get about a thirty one hundred vote plurality out of these counties you can see that would eat about a third of Beshir's here's margin so and then it'd be a Bevan. Did incredibly well add another thousand or something to that. He still wouldn't be at half of Beshir's total so you look at those counties and you say if you are the Bashir your campaign you like where you are. These are the two counties that are entirely out. There's a scattering of about a dozen other precincts that are left throughout the state. They are all I just checked. They're basically weekly oil in Republican counties these precincts are producing about three hundred and fifty votes each give or take so they're very small pieces of real estate so it it is. I know our decision desk. Not Call this. You see too close to call on your screen. They want to make sure there's no big surprise at Baylor County. They WANNA make sure. There's no big surprise Outta Grayson County. I WANNA make sure there's no big surprise out of any of these other precincts but if you look at the math and you just extrapolate from everything else we're seeing tonight. I think there's a reason why Democrats right now are feeling a little bit better than Republicans about where this may be going. And Steve. When you talk about those dozen precincts outside of Brayson Ballard County that are yet to come in and those being largely Republican precincts just sort of enveloping the math here in terms of what you just said about the total number of votes? That would be seems to me like what you're saying about what you expect. Effect in Grayson and Ballard even in a good scenario for for Matt Bevin if even if they're cleaned up and those other dozen outstanding Republican heavy precincts wchs. He still wouldn't be Bashir sleep. Yeah it's it's tough to look at what's left and find a scenario. Where Bevan gets there but I think when you see absolutely no vote coming in and yet from either county? I think if you want to be sure about this from the standpoint certainly of NBC calling this race you just want to make sure that when the precincts don't start reporting there isn't some major major surprise something totally unforced being but yeah if you just extrapolate from everything we had Bevan. We'll get closer. He will eat into this but it's hard to see him overtaking the other thing we should notice when it gets this close everybody starts asking you within one percent. Here is they're going to be a recount Kentucky Law on this there's no automatic trigger for a recount any candidate losing candidate can request a recount. They have to go to court for it. They have to go to a judge for it and so if Bevan were to fall short and he decided he wanted voted to file some kind of a suit a judge decide if there was going to be a recount and Steve in terms of how these things ultimately get shook out. Is there anything that we should now. In terms of fighting over the the actual mechanics of voting election board politicization these sorts of having a potentially have an impact if this does become a knockdown on drag-out particularly if it becomes a court battle. They're ugly scenes like that and Kentucky. We should worry about. There's nothing that's jumped out today and again this would be if Bevin Bevin waterfall short. Let's say if he were to fall short. Decide to challenge this. It's unclear what the grounds would be that he would say. I haven't seen anything that would obviously jump out. Obviously lawyers are paid to come up the reasons in a in a close election a losing candidate certainly has the right to pursue whatever they want to pursue. But I haven't seen anything tonight that jumps out in that regard. This is extremely extremely high. Turnout turnout gubernatorial election. Really look at the numbers here. This is over one point. Four million with more to come put that in some perspective ends up one point. Four million give or take the last gubernatorial gubernatorial elections in Kentucky. Two Thousand Fifteen nine hundred seventy three thousand. Wow so in the two thousand sixteen presidential election one point nine million so you're right in in between presidential election sort of off year gubernatorial election. That's extremely high tournus. We've been seeing that across the state and if Bashir is is going to end up pulling this out and again we don't know still too close to call that will help with the Democratic Maxim that higher turnout almost always benefits a Democratic victory. And I can give you just a bit of News as you're asking me that question Grayson County County just almost entirely came in and you can see here Bevin ninety six percent in. Let's do the math. That's two thousand six hundred ninety eight yeah again we said fifteen. Fourteen gene was his margin in two thousand fifteen he gets up to twenty six ninety eight. Probably one precinct left here so he could probably get that up to twenty eight twenty nine hundred. You see what that did to the overall lead statewide seventy two forty nine right now. Seventy two forty nine a few more pre one more precinct will come out of Grayson. And then we'll get Ballard county where again. It was three hundred twenty two votes the last time and needing more than seven thousand right now is Bevan. So as all eyes are on Ballard County and watching that and for that last precinct. Thanks Steve. Let me just ask you. I've got you about Virginia tonight. Obviously Virginia always has off year elections. They're always seen as an interesting bellwether last year. They had a fascinating thing. It happened in terms of their state legislative races. What should we be watching for in Virginia? Or what are you expecting. I'm going to press this button and hope it works because we have a graphic there it is okay so the bottom. I'm line in Virginia is coming into tonight. There was a vacancy it was a democratic vacancy. It was essentially fifty one forty nine in the house of delegates. Either Party does not want to end up in a tie. You want end up winning. It's a Democrats needed to get a two-seat gain net a to see gain out of the House of delegates. NBC News is not characterizing individual state legislative races were sort of deferring to the Associated Press the Associated Press right now has so far with more to come has called one. Flip has called one Republican in the House of delegates. Going to the Democrats Democrats need need end up with two according to the Associated Press at this hour they have one on the state Senate side again. It's a forty seat body there's a vacancy. It's a Republican vacancy. So it's really twenty one. Nineteen nineteen here. The Democrats just need a net gain of one. Lieutenant Governor Democrat would basically break the tie they're sort of like the US Senate and right now. Not all of the seats are accounted for but right right now. The Associated Press has called one flip Republican to Democrat so right now. Democrats are where they need to be in the state Senate side although with the State Senate in Virginia there's always always craziness yes in terms of people declaring themselves independence after the everyday so we'll have to. We'll have to watch. That closed overnight Steve. I know you've got more map to do. We'll be back with you as we continue. Watch these racist come in right now. Actually want to stick with this drama in Kentucky Tonight von Hilliard as political reporter for NBC News. And Right now. He's at Andy. Bashir headquarters quarters at the headquarters of the Democratic Gubernatorial candidate in Kentucky. Von I know that it is a bustling room behind you. What can you tell us about the mood there? And what you're hearing being from Beshir's folks can evening. Rachel is this evening. Gone on the part about. When you're looking at Kentucky you've got two different different time zones so folks were watching the close one hour and then seeing more results come in next hour and slowly over this while the room has been bubbling here? You see what he'd be ninety. Nine percent ascended the precincts coming in. I've been talking with the campaign. This evening has been going on in the area that they were pointing me to the Eastern Kentucky. You know this democratic it Cardi used to rain and Kentucky and there is one names Steve Fisher. That'd be the father of Andy Bashir. Who of course was the governor of Kentucky before Matt Devon was when you're looking at it those eastern counties there a lot of those are small counties whether they be Perry or Johnson County? But what you see in those numbers so far on I need to cousins sensually really bottom so I never liked interrupt anybody for any reason but we have a hole in this race that Andy Bashir according the associate skiing excuse me Andy Mature according to NBC News. The apparent winner of the governor's race in Kentucky again apparent winner is a very specific type of declaration from NBC. We see news here. But that is a brand new declaration With ninety nine percent of the vote in a difference of sixty two hundred and fifty one votes between the two candidates. So von I again. I apologize to you for interrupting you there while you were talking to us from Andy Bashir headquarters but As this news filters out to people there I imagine that things may go a little nuts it also. We haven't got that announcement on stage yet. But I think this is GonNa join the conversation about this Republican Party today Rachel earlier today. The chance to talk with Matt Bevin for anybody that listened on the stop or listen to his campaign speeches or listen to the TV commercials here. It has been about Donald Trump. Donald Trump impeachment which made about Donald Trump essentially is trying to nationalize this race. Is You look at Indy. Bashir he talked about education talked about healthcare talked about entering reforming jobs odd. He went with that approach. Essentially separating himself there were no national Democrats. They came here to this state to campaign for. Andy Bashir Rachel with Steve. uh-huh Matt Bevin earlier when I asked him why did you nationalize this race. And he said Iraq he said look at what the conversation is around Kentucky and and I said you're not running for the House of Representatives or the Senate Sir and he said that people here care about Donald Trump he is going to campaign and talk about Donald Trump. And what you're seeing Now it's essentially a thirty point. Swing Rachel this is a place that Donald Trump won in two thousand sixteen by thirty percentage points into put that in perspective go back to the mid terms. I looked through some of that voter data. There there's voter data firm catalyst and essentially five percent of voters voted the twenty eighteen election. Rachel about five hype percent of trump voters as you would call them voting for House Democrats. So when you come here and look in Kentucky where Mitch McConnell's on the ballot last year near talking about a thirty point swing wing. This is enormous. And I mentioned Mitch McConnell because there is a lot of talk among Democrats here about what this election would mean you have a primary about facing Mitch. McConnell ultimately next year it Mitch McConnell's numbers approval. Numbers were about the same level as Matt. Bevin here. Matt Bevin is somebody who is mentioned tied himself to Donald Trump speaks like donald trump. I just want to mention one conversation or even with Susie Campbell. I talked with her last year and a half ago Rachel. She's a grain farmer out in Spencer County. I called her up. She voted for Donald Trump. In Two Thousand Sixteen Jello voted for Matt Bevin in Twenty Fifteen. I called her up and I said what are you going to do tomorrow. She told me I'm going to go to the polls and vote for the Democrat. I'M GONNA go and vote for Andy Bashir because she said that Matt Bevin tied himself too much for the prior to the president hadn't shown independence and said that he was a boy was not talking about issues. And when you're looking at across the state here I think particularly the area that Steve was talking about. We're going to go up to is northern Kentucky area those suburbs around Cincinnati Sanada ten point swings not only ten point swings but you also saw voter turn out of one hundred and fifty percent of what they were back to this two thousand fifteen numbers Rachel. Wow that turnout number turns is GONNA turn out to be a huge part of the story. Also those dynamics that you're talking about in terms of the national national things at play or not at play great reporting von Hillier at NBC News. Political reporter at Andy Bashir headquarters in Kentucky. And we will be back with you later on. Thank you very very much. I want to reiterate that we have just had a call in in this race. NBC News is declaring that the apparent winner of the Kentucky Governor's race is the Democrat in the race. Andy Ashir upsetting Matt Bevin. The incumbent and Republican governor of Kentucky as Von Hilliard was just explaining their the thing to keep in mind about Kentucky is not just a red state a state that went for Donald Trump by thirty points president trump in Kentucky as recently as last night throwing the full weight of his presidency behind incumbent Republican Republican governor traumatic goven. Who appears today to have been ousted again? NBC DECLARING NBC Bashir. The Democrat to the apparent winner of the Kentucky. Governor's Race Steve Kornacki Kornacki. Let me go back to you. Tell us what else we have learned. Yes I mean. We were just kind of put the curator at the end of the sentence. We said we were waiting on those two counties. We showed you Grayson when it came in this is what finally a triggered the call. I believe Ballard the final outstanding county came in. You see Bevin wins that he wins it by about one thousand votes. That's up from two thousand fifteen but obviously nowhere near what he needed to turn this around again about a sixty two hundred vote margin here for Bashir Ivonne made some a couple key points there. He was going over one. I just want to emphasize because I think to me in addition to the high turnout. It's the story of the night. It's sort of an extension of the national story we have been telling we certainly saw this in two thousand eighteen in the midterm elections actions. Why the Democrats were able to get that Nikki and forty six? The suburbs the suburbs moving away from the Party of Donald Trump towards the Democratic Party. Yes that's a story story and Kentucky's well into story right here. These three counties in northern Kentucky see them Kinda jutting out right there those three counties actually make up about ten percent of the population. Listen to the State of Kentucky. What are they suburbs of suburbs of Cincinnati Cincinnati? Right across the river there. These are traditionally Republican areas and they swung farther than just about anything I saw on on the map tonight. Let me take you through these Boone County right here now. Bevin does win boone. County fifty six percent of the vote. This was the first sign tonight. That Bevan was in trouble because in a county honey this size in this traditionally Republican. He needs a big number. He got sixty six percent the last time Donald Trump. I think I can show you this. Donald Trump got sixty eight percent of the vote here in two twenty sixteen tonight down to fifty six percent there for Matt. Bevin in Boone County. Go next door to Kenton County. Ken Look at this Bevin. Didn't even win Kenton County. How big of a departure from what we're used to that? Here's the two thousand sixteen result. Trump got sixty percent of the vote. Here Bevin when he ran a couple years ago wasn't far behind that tonight he he didn't even win this county. And you go one more after Campbell county right next door again. A solid Bashir win. This was you can see trump by twenty five points in in two thousand sixteen and Bevan himself one this by double digits when he ran in two thousand fifteen so these are the biggest shifts we saw and not just big shifts in terms of the percentage is changing changing. Keep in mind. These are high population areas. And if you're losing that kind of ground if you're Matt Bevin and you're losing ground in a densely populated region that accounts for ten percent of the state schools. As far as anything else I can think of to tell you why that number turned out what it did again. NBC News Declaring. Andy the apparent winner here Steve. Let me just ask you stepping back back from the math on this a little bit. I think also raised an important question about the Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell who of course from Kentucky who is facing probably one of the stronger challenges he's ever ever faced in his Senate career next year. Obviously every racist specific Andy Beshir's a specific candidate Matt Bevins' a specific incumbent and the wins in the country maybe blowing differently differently a year from tonight. Then they are tonight but do you think that it is fair to for people to start extrapolating from these results tonight to to think about what Mitch McConnell might be up against trying to hold onto his seat so I beat cautious. I mean if you're Mitch. McConnell you're not happy with what you're seeing tonight if you're Mitch McConnell and you look at some of the poll numbers we've all seen in terms of his standing in that at state right now and you think. Also of the Standing Devon had. He was the second least popular governor according to the morning console poll of fifty states. You look at what happened to him. And you're Mitch. McConnell you might be nervous is to the things that McConnell has going for him. I think you have to keep in mind number one. We'll be a presidential election year so donald trump on the ballot trump won this by thirty points. Last time we will see his presence on the ballot changes thing the other thing is if you go down ballot in Kentucky tonight the result is looking a little bit different more favorable to Republicans. So I think what you'll hear from McConnell. McConnell side is still a trump state you'll have trump on the ballot next year and there were specific problems with Bevan that made him one of the least popular governors of the country. That won't be the in effect next year and also McConnell running a federal race. US Senate versus running the state government in Frankfurt. Sometimes voters distinguish though so you still look at McConnell earliest say running in Kentucky. That's probably in better shape. He's probably more favored than underdog. But yeah you see results like that. Yeah and it's a state wide race. You'll nervous the nervous. I'd say. All Right Steve. I know we've got a lot more to cover over the course of the Nice. We keep watching results come in from Virginia Mississippi and other places. We'll be back with you. We're going to get in a quick break right now. Just because actually WANNA go back to Kentucky after the break again we are covering this breaking news developing political news. That's just fascinating. NBC News has declared the apparent winner. In the Kentucky. Governor's race is Democrat. Andy Bashir upsetting an ousting in public incumbent. Republican Governor Matt Bevin again. It's it's a very close race. You see the difference of less than seven thousand votes but this ninety three. This is ninety. Nine percent in an NBC has made their call an apparent winner in this race. We'll be back with more from Kentucky will also be watching. The Mississippi Governor's race and what's turning out to be a pretty fascinating race to control the state legislature in the Great State Native Virginia among other elections. We're watching tonight. Stay with US lots to pay MSNBC listeners. 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It was his fifth best best state after only West Virginia Wyoming Oklahoma and North Dakota one of by thirty points tonight after he spent the eve of Election Day Eh in Kentucky polling for the Republican candidate there. The Republican governor appears to have lost joining us. Now is Joe Sock. Politics Reporter for the Louisville Courier Journal Mr Soccer. Okay thank you for joining US tonight. I appreciate you making time. Make your hobby ritual so NBC. News is calling. Andy shared the apparent winner. I have to ask how much of a surprise prize that is from your perspective covering Kentucky politics up close and and this election in particular. I have to say that I was surprised I expected. Zid Andy Bashir to better than any of the other Democratic candidates. That were running But I kind of expected Devon to hold on even though it was close but It turns out that the anticipation sympathy for Governor Matt Bevin which is so strong that he Not even donald trump himself mm saw. That could come in. And until Rotarian Lexington The eve of the election and And Save Him. In fact Fayette County was one of the worst Counties for a dozen in the election. He was blown out in Lexington in populated cities Where Democrats the crap are heavily in the city's in it turns out that probably motivated both bases you saying the president? The president visiting those cities on that I evans behalf might have actually energized the other side. Yes I would say might have been a motivated Democrats and And I should also note that Governor Rabab is kind of an atypical kind of candidates He's very brash. in two thousand fifteen He he was kind of trump's before trunk in two thousand fifteen when he won When trump went in two thousand sixteen which kind of Kentucky Kentucky was because of an accident similar to trump I insulted people And doesn't apologize for it and it turns out that All the other Republican candidate state quite well They swept to all the other state. Wide Races We have the first Republican Attorney General and seventy years right now The Matt Devon couldn't survive. Joe Santa Joining us from the PLO political reporter for the Louisville Courier Journal joining US tonight from Kentucky. Joe Thank you for being with US I know it's going to be still more to come in terms of understanding the implications of this race. Thanks for joining us on short notice while I was talking to Joe Songa there the politics. Let's ex reporter. For the Louisville Courier Journal we got some more news. The Associated Press has just made an interesting call in Virginia. We had been talking earlier. You're about how Virginia always has off your elections. That every seat in the state house in every seat in the state Senate were up tonight just two years ago. In Virginia we saw aw incredible turnout of Democratic voters. Democrats in State House for example Received two hundred thousand more votes than the Republicans they were running against. Nevertheless the state was so gerrymandered that the Republicans by Hooker by Crook ended up still in control of that of the legislature of both houses the legislature while as of right now the Associated Press has just declared that the Democratic Party has gained control of the Virginia. State Senate We we are still watching. The House to see Democrats will also be able to flip the house. We're GonNa can we bring Stephen Lee on this now. And we're GONNA take a break and bringing Steve. Okay we'll take a quick break. WE'RE GONNA have Steve Kornacki have a look at this. You should know in Virginia though that this has potentially huge policy implications in the state because Democrats right now already hold the a statewide big statewide offices in Virginia Governor Lieutenant Governor AG those things they have not controlled the legislature. Virginia Republicans have had narrow. Oh control of both the house and the Senate despite how well Democrats did in two thousand seventeen if the Democrats are able to flip both houses of the legislature in particular again the AP saying thing. They've already got the Senate that would put the Democratic Party in control of every major statewide office and the full state legislature in Virginia. That would have huge implications in terms of policy making in the state and in terms of just whether or not people still consider Virginia Purple State so again. AP is calling the Virginia Senate for the Democratic Party. We are waiting on the news out of the house in Virginia turning out to be a very interesting off year night for Democrats again with the news that we continuing doing to cover out of Kentucky that the Democratic challenger has taken the governorship from Republican Matt Bevin in Kentucky Even as Kentucky Republicans were able to hold hold on or take some other statewide races in that state. We'll be right back with the latest from Virginia and more stay with US recapping. The breaking news gave you right before the commercial break. The Associated Press has called that Democrats have officially flipped control of the Virginia State. Senate Senate now. This follows the other surprise news of the night that Democrat. Andy Bashir is the apparent winner of the governor's race in the Great State of Kentucky. A state that president trump. Of course I won by thirty points in two thousand sixteen now in Virginia. The significance here is sort of more than just the state legislature Virginia Democrats. Democrats control the big statewide offices in Virginia already. But it has been the Republican Party that has narrowly held both houses of the legislature. While Democrats have controlled the governorship and other statewide seats. One of those two houses. The State Senate has now flipped to democratic control according to the Associated Press just moments ago. We're still awaiting more results right now to see if Democrats might also have a shot at flipping the house as well. If they're able to do that. That would give the Democratic Party. Complete control of the state government in Virginia. For what I believe would be the first time in a quarter century. Joining us once again. Is Steve Kornacki Steve. Tell me what I need to know about Virginia well we just got another call from the AP. I can show you two parts of this so start in the house of delegates coming into tonight. Fifty one forty eight there was a vacancy it it democratic seats so essentially fifty one forty nine coming into tonight. What was just called in the last minute on the house side right now? The Democrats have flipped type three seats a net of three seats on the House of delegates side. So right now remember. They needed to or more right now. They are exceeding the number they need. They're they're hitting their number. Basically there are are still. I want to get the exact number. There are still nineteen races in the house of delegates that have not been called by the Associated Press so there are still nineteen that are outstanding but right now the current net gain for Democrats is three. They need to end the night at two or more to control that on the Senate side. It's now been called as you said by the Associated Press the net gained. They have is to the Democrats again. This was this was vacant Republican seat. It was twenty twenty. This basically puts the Democrats as you can see that puts them in the driver's. Excuse me that was twenty. One Thousand Nine knew that number was twenty one nineteen but that essentially puts the Democrats in control there with that with that too so that would if this holds and this has already been called as you say complete control for Democrats just the bigger picture and all of this. Just think of the change in the state of Virginia and how that is accelerated recently. Look at this is very presidential. Essential election result going back to sixty eight with Richard Nixon in Virginia. We used to call Virginia a safely red states as the Republican margin all these years Republicans winning the state it changed with Barack Obama in two thousand eight. I remember I was down in Virginia Election Day. Twenty twelve. We thought it was a big swing state that year it was right on the national margin. It is moving from swing being state to blue state status and certainly having Democrats in control the governorship in both houses the legislature and voting for Democratic presidential candidates. It would really solidify that reputation mutations estate. Not really even a swing state anymore. Maybe a Steve and let me just go back just for a second to the issue of the House and Senate races with what you described there in terms of the number of seats that have flipped already again. The Associated Press has already called the state Senate and said that it will be democratic control of the state so according to the AP that has flipped democratic control in in the house. You said there's been three seats already. That have correct to democratic control and what that means with one thousand nine hundred seats still to be called if none of them flipped if they they all stayed in partisan terms what they are now that would more be more than enough for Democrats to take the house as well in fact yes if they stay the same Democrats get the house. If if Republicans pick up one of the outstanding from Democrats right that would knock down to two for the Democrats still enough because you need to or more if you're a Democrat to get control raw so really. In what is outstanding on the House side those nineteen seats Republicans in that pool of nineteen need a net gain of two. You could look at it that way. A A net gain of two in those remaining nineteen. If this makes sense would knock the democratic net gain for the night down to one which wouldn't be enough so the Democrats they end up at two. We're more here. They've got control okay. So we'll continue watching again. We're watching Associated Press tallies right on the on the associates as they come in but right now the Senate is cooked in terms of the EPA called the Senate to the Democrats Democrats are up there. Thank you Mr Carnegie. That's going to be exciting Knight's still to come all right so there's lots going on politics and other news and actually have no idea what we're going to do after the break. Let's see we'll be right back in the midst of all the other things that are happening coming right now including tonight in the news. This is the main banner headline right now at the front page of the New York. Times quote key witness revises testimony Tony citing quid pro quo. With Ukraine Sunlen says he told Ukrainians aid was held up over inquiry demand. Gordon Sunland the on on board of the European Union said he told the Ukrainians they needed to comply with investigative requests by Rudy Giuliani. Here's the companion piece in the Washington in post tonight. Quote with revised testimony sandline ties trump to quid pro quo in a supplemental declaration to his earlier. Testimony the ambassador to the e you said that aid was linked to the opening of an investigation that could damage twenty twenty presidential candidate Joe Biden just in case there was enough going on in your Newsnight tonight. Joining us now live here. Onset is congressman. Eric swallow is a member of the Intelligence Committee and the Judiciary Committee in the House. So nice to hear of course so first of all one of the things recovering tonight. Is this sort of surprising. Electoral news tonight. A Democrat. NBC News Projects. The apparent winner in the Kentucky Governor's race. It appears the Democrats also taken back at least partial control of the legislature in Virginia as a Democrat. And somebody who was recently running for your for your your your party's presidential nomination. That has to be good news. This deal it's an exciting. I think it started in two thousand seventeen after Donald trump is elected. We go to Alabama and we win there and then we pick up seats and Joan state. Doug Jones NSA pick up seats in the house in the Mid West in Kansas Iowa Texas we saw gains and then here in Kentucky into just really make it hyper local. I just learned my wife's hometown town. Columbus Indiana Hometown Vice President Mike Pence their city council just went majority democratic. So I think a lot of these issues are local and we can't read too much into what what impeachment means four these places in Kentucky for example the governor the governor Bevin was working overtime to reverse the affordable care act and that that was on the ballot there in Kentucky's liked that the the apparent winner tonight his father had worked to put Kentuckians on the affordable care attractive so that that matters and campaigns matter candidates matter local issues matter and off your elections. I think it's it's it's easy to extrapolate late from them when you're in favor of the results and it's easy to write them off when it's not different candidates the lesson they take away. Yes Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania. Those are going to be important but look everywhere. There's opportunities everywhere. Let me ask you about the impeachment proceedings right now obviously it's factoring into at some some level factoring and every race in the country. It's also still appears to me in its early stages while it's also moving fast. How quickly do you expect? We're we're going to be moving into the public hearings part of this. We're moving expeditiously. And I think the fact that the transcripts from the depositions are coming out and shows that there is enough evidence to have public hearings. We want to do that soon as possible. We have John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney supposedly coming in this week. They've been asked to come in. And you know we're kind of getting at least to the end of on this Ukraine shakedown. WHO's relevant if they don't come in? We're not going to do what we did last year. which was trying go to earlier this year? Go to the courts fight their resistance. We're just GONNA file that away one a conscious of guilt. If the White House thought those witnesses could help them they would let them come in and to consider that maybe you they define a lawful subpoena and the president telling them to defy. That subpoena is something that should be an article for obstruction congress. You have been outspoken about the legitimacy appropriateness. Even the wisdom of starting with these behind closed doors depositions. You've made the point specifically that that witnesses shouldn't have the opportunity to basically line their stories up with each other to tell each other how they want each other to testify to make sure their stories lineup. That's been effective. Yes but we have seen efforts you know by witnesses to still get around that as a prosecutor I learned that you. We'll have a close hold in an investigation to keep the integrity of investigation. Otherwise fax get out in the public. It could compromise whether a witness really knows something or they heard it from someone else or they're trying to manufacture an alibi here in the song ambassador Sahlins testimony. You see that the night before he testified to us. He's on the phone with Rick. Perry sorry and Rick Perry a couple days in question. Yes about the events in question couple of days before that Rick. Perry gives interviewed to The Wall Street Journal and we believe that that was a way way to kind of get his side out so other witnesses could see that and so republicans are also leaking parts selectively of Kurt volkers testimony in the days leading up into ambassador Solomon's testimony so we've seen efforts even in the close hold that we've had to try and get around that so people can tailor their testimony and that's what we want to protect against ambassador. Oster sunland testimony came with a remarkable addendum. That just yesterday. He changed his story on one of the main questions. At the heart of this he came in and told you. Just tell if I've got this right as far as I can tell. He came in and told you a couple of weeks ago basically. Yeah there was a quid pro quo in terms of there being a White House meeting for the new Ukrainian president that he wasn't going to get that unless they pursued these investigations. I didn't really know. What the investigations were? But yeah. That was the quid pro quo when it comes to military aid no I would never be involved in that now. He's admitting yes. There was was a quid pro quo for military aid and yes he was involved in it and he said that after ambassador Taylor's Opening statement was released ambassador. Taylor said that ambassador Sunland told him everything's on the table. It's not only the meeting at the White House. It's also the military assistance in in Rachel. If all the president did was asked the president of Ukraine to to investigate his political opponent that would be an abuse of power but he did much worse he leveraged the White House meeting in three hundred and ninety one million dollars in taxpayer dollars and I have a different take though ambassador. Sure sunland where people are really beating them up for his original statement and that's really for prosecutors to determine what that means but investigations. It's often times the case that people will want to do the right thing and tell the truth and I think it's important that if other witnesses have not been truthful to us or not come in. Because they've they've been told to not do that. We should give them the space to do the right thing especially before These public hearings. Let me ask you something. That's kind of a part hypothetical about that. When I was looking at ambassador Sunland testimony today? Particularly this revision. He still insists that he has no idea why the military aid was withheld have held or who did it at the same time. Your Committee also released the seventy five pages of text messages in which we see ambassador. sunlen being directly really informed by Bill Taylor that was holding up the military aid per the president. And so he still telling you as of today in his revised statement statement. I don't know who did it. With withholding military aid. We can see him respond in real time on his phone to being told that the president was doing that he responds to that. By saying I'm all over it as as if all work on it so if it turns out that these witnesses are lying to you even if they're not trying to but they are lying to you should they expect that there will be some consequences offenses that for them not just in terms of how it plays for the President's defense I'm sure a Department of Justice that actually cares about what happened here. Not Bill Bars Department of Justice will look at the truthfulness of witnesses but again this early in the investigation. I do think it's common you see. People evolve oftentimes people. There's just some facts that witnesses is will even if they know it they'll have a close hold on it. Fortunately here ambassador Solomon's not the only one that proves that there was knowledge that the security assistance was being withheld. We have other witnesses witnesses that no that was going on. We've heard that in public statements and we can prove that in other west and all of those mutually corroborating statements from all these different witnesses all telling the same story from everything that we've seen in terms of their released opening statements now. The Ford deposition transcripts that we've had released from your committee looking at it from the outside and trying to keep up with the tide tide of paper. I feel like with some nuances like Gordon. Sunland saying I have no idea who did that or why doesn't seem all that believable to me with some nuances like that set aside. It does seem like all of these witnesses. State Department National Security Council former officials. Kern officials are all telling the same story of Rudy Giuliani leading an effort at the president's direction to get information that president trump thought he could use against his political opponents and yeah it was a request but there was also leverage behind it both in terms of White House meetings and in terms of military aid. I feel like that story now that we understand it. I do feel like every witness that we know you've heard has backed that up. Has any of them. Contradicted the core narrative. No all the arrows pointing the same direction. The president was running an extortion shakedown scheme. But I do think it's important that we focus is on the president's conduct because we have to sharp straight lines now from the President Rudy Giuliani and the president to ambassador Sunland where he is saying that four the Ukrainians to get this aid and the White House meeting. They have to investigate his political opponent. That's our taxpayer. Dollars being leveraged by the president solely for his benefit and focusing gene on his conduct an understanding that Rudy. Giuliani is the president's lawyer and lawyers. Don't act outside the interests of their clients that those two are connected. Yeah this is inconsiderate. Nobody was freelancing that this was all being directed by the president and it was pretty simple and now very understandable scheme process now in you know evidence will be tested and that's that's important. Evidence is not a conclusion but we have enough evidence certainly to bring this Four publicly congressman. Eric swallow a member of the Intelligence Committee. The and the Judiciary Committee. It's great to have you here and I have to say I am. I enjoyed your your presidential run but you seem healthier and happier. I'm very very happy. Liberated right back stay with us. Get a good night's sleep. You're going to need it. The Roger Stone in trial expected to get underway in earnest tomorrow. The president's longtime adviser is charged with lying to Congress and with witness tampering. Today was jury selection and even that was a lot but somebody somebody in the courtroom collapsing person a spectator who appears to be okay. Then later Roger

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