Cootie Shot (Rebroadcast) - 6 July 2020
PODCAST listeners around the world like you make it possible to produce to show like this herd millions of times a year. Give it wayward dot org slash donate to show your support. Thanks. You're listening to a way with words, the show about language and how we use it. I'm grant Ferret, and Burnett. I have a set of terms here from around the country for a particular thing and I would love it if you try to guess what it is. Okay. Okay. Belly stickler. dipsy doodle. Johnny lately. Duck in dip. How do you? tickle. Bump. Yes ma'am. Caro Caro who coty spell that either way C. H. O. T.. O.. Ringing some bells isn't I want to say that it's Horse tail weeds are Queens lays Sir something like that right? That's the tickle Part I. Love Your Brain Walking through it. That's not. No, but it's interesting that you got a jolt from the word coat. which is French for jolt. Colas or cow always this all electric shock. No. This is according to the dictionary of American regional English. This is an abrupt dip or bump in a road or path either naturally occurring especially in ice or snow or deliberately made especially to divert runoff or more recently to slow automobile traffic. Okay what'd you call him bumped something? But the names that I like for it our dipsy doodle because if you're going to bump and and yes ma'am because you nod your head as if you're saying, yes, man. The whole. Okay. Cool. Yeah. You can call it. Thank you, ma'am. When I've heard why did I not connect that? Left it out. But sometimes they're called a kiss me quick because you're writing in the in the wagon with your sweetie in the olden. Day. Bumps the two of you together in a real way. Opportunity and it's also sometimes called particularly in south Western. Pennsylvania is called a Yankee bump. Why is that I? Don't know the reason for Yankee, bump but people talk about piling snow and packing it down on a route where you slept. So that so that you get that kind of airborne. Always. That was that was the that was the holy grail as a kid and wintertime. Hit to catch air when you're when you're leading to catch. Yeah but all those terms for a bump in the road dipsy doodle. That's nice. Eight, seven, seven, nine, hundred, nine, nine, six, seven, three, or singer dipsy doodles two words we would radio DOT ORG or chats up on twitter at W. A. Y.? W. O. R. D. Hello you have a way with words cry this is Nice McGrath calling from Bellingham Washington welcome to the show. What can we do for you? I was listening to your podcast day when I was on a road trip on the Olympic peninsula. I saw a sign that said congested area and which was obviously meant to let us know that even though it looked quite wooded and beautiful but there were a lot of people living nearby and it reminded me of education that I talk to found Massachusetts in two thousand ten with a bunch of friends where we saw a sign that we thought was hilarious that said thickly settled. which took us a while to figure out the exact same thing. So my boyfriend sector and I'd that we're on the road trip. He said, Oh, you should call them and kind of on a dare I called you ask about this about these. These. Signs and how they get worded and how they're sort of affected by local vernacular I mean thickly settled. It it sounds so like a Massachusetts can almost hear about accent right that. Yeah I'm picturing pilgrims or something. Yeah. Almost felt like, yes. Something that a person from old rather than New England would. Right. Yeah that's a really interesting observation yet thickly settled was a term in Massachusetts law as far back as the eighteen thirties meaning someplace that has a lot of structures either a business district or houses that were within two hundred feet of each other extending for a quarter of a mile it was it was a legal term. So the signs on both of these cases are about warning you that you need to slow down because you're coming across businesses and homes and cars and people. Right and we thought it was in both instances in the car with my friends and my boyfriend we were like. Why don't they just say slow I mean many different ways to do this. You know. There's you can change that you can change what the speed limit is. It just felt like a quaint quirks of this community, but you're saying that these kinds of signs would maybe be found all over Massachusetts. I. Am I right there seemed to be exclusive to Massachusetts I think. So I mean it seems like seems like a road sign that Emily Dickinson with. Settled and. I thought about you guys in particular because that word stick. You know it just it's not how congested is how we on the West Coast. Would talk about you know a lot of something that you know stick. It seems like a very old fashioned way of expressing You know a large population or as you're saying like a lot of buildings in one place. Yes. Indeed, and the word sickly has has dropped I think in terms of its usage just just in general we don't say thickly so much and thickly settled. Is is pretty specific to Massachusetts as far as I know I was just up in Oregon myself and I remember seeing a road sign that either set. I. Think it just said congested which. I just wanted to take a picture of myself in front of. The T.. Area here's my faith right now. Because if you were there during the fires the. Fires you absolutely have been congested probably time and I WanNa go back to something that you hinted at their I. Don't think that there's a regional difference except that their regional laws are different that At the people are saying congested more in the northwest and they are in Massachusetts, but one of the things that I think you're hearing that we haven't really zeroed in on is that congested is a Latin word and thick and thickly are old English words and I think you're hearing this kind of this. We can kind of unconsciously classified these words by their origins in our minds. The Latin romance words tend to feel a little more high Falutin. They tend to feel a little more. A little more educated and. The Anglo Saxons last dramatic slash old norse old English word. So forth, they tend to feel a little closer to the earth a little more historic a little more a little more. Central to the language they feel like the parts of the language that you build the rest of the language upon. So. It really reflects. How. Kind of the culture of both places or at least you know? It's funny because in the Seattle area. Were often sort of called alita or snobby or learn it or you know a book loving. You are fans in. Massachusetts most there's so many universities and small colleges up there. They are readers they are I tell you what? I would love. The. Reading. Battle between Washington. State. Message. Something trying to start beef. In in particular on Cape, cod hat and Cape Cod in general such a exactly what you're saying like an earthy you down like all fashioned sort of feel and I love that as a visitor as a regular visitor to Massachusetts. I. Love that amount going there i. think it's really great and in fact when we were. When we were there my friends and I we found MOXY I. Don't know if you've heard of this it says asprilla and is really common out there that my grandfather used to love and we actually invented we were like we have to come up with some mock scales, some cocktails. Marks. And we? We invented one called thickly settled, which was a combination. And Bourbon. Other cocktail recipe for your listeners today. Thank you need one cranberry in their. settled. After that. Like a little mini cranberry bogs. Little wreak. Oh my gosh somebody who's listening please make us and take a picture of it. You. Know when you started your question, what we were going to break open. You're welcome. And thank you very much for your call. Call us again sometime. Okay. Thanks so much. Here's what have you seen. You've been out there on the road something caught your eye. You wrote it down. You took a picture now it's time to share it with US Eight, seven, seven, nine, two, nine, nine, six, seven, three. Hello welcome to a away with words. This is Pam Service on in Eureka California? Welcome to the show, my mother and grandmother when they earn would go into a dark room or bazaar dark at night they would say it was as dark as inside of goat. And that struck me as rather odd because lean neither lady had ever been inside a goat. I I just consider well, maybe it's just some little family. weirded he. But then I read a story novel sitting Orlands and like the early nineteen th century and there was a character in the story that said something was as dark as the inside of a cow. And I thought well, this is really weird where these people coming with this idea of inside of large ruminants there should be in darkness I wondered about it for years and finally decided well, you're the guys that would know. So I just give you a call and see what you say. You know what pin neither of us has been inside of a ruminant. You we know. Marks quote do you know that one? No, which one outside of a dog a book as a man's best friend inside of a dog, it's too dark to read, right? Yeah you right. Inside Goto So you were saying that you read the dark is the inside of a cow raise in. A book from the early nineteenth century well, no, it was. It was historic novel set in the early nineteenth century in New Orleans and some character says this about you know an inside account. That's really really like what mom and grandma used to say yeah we'll. It goes back even farther than that. Dark is the inside of a cow's been around since at least Mark Twain. Really Yeah. He used that freezing roughing it. Teen, SEVENTY-ONE INNOCENCE ABROAD Yeah and you can. Sort of infer what the idea is I mean if you were in there with no light bulbs, it's getting. Dark right and there are lots of different variations of it. I haven't heard the inside of a goat one. Before have you grant know but I've heard there are lots of other ways. Inside of a whale inside of a cat inside a black cat. A sack inside of a needle Joyce Carey wrote about. As dark as the inside of a cabinet minister which I really. Don't want to be in their. Magicians hats, coal scuttle the devils waistcoat pocket. Wow. But go have you you haven't heard No. So that may be a family where T I like that. We're. Family we're not as well I'm not sure. was there any kind of a regional thing about us I know that my mother's Tommy some of it came from the South I don't know my genealogy very well. Being regional across all of the English speaking world, you'll find it popping up in a anywhere English is spoken over the last two hundred plus years varieties of dark as the inside of an ex. Maybe my my relatives couldn't afford cows so they just say go. Go to great. I like owed. Paying. Thank you for sharing this family phrase. I'll keep my eyes open and see if what other animals of had their interiors invaded. You let us know if you hear of any more. Okay. Okay. By Eight, seven, seven, nine, two, nine, nine, six, seven, three. Teachers around the world at every grade level US away with words in classrooms as a launching pad for discussion learners of all kinds, use it to sharpen their skills in yet another language help us help them by giving it wayward radio dot org slash donate today. Thank you. You're listening to a way with words, the show about language and how we use it. I'm Martha Barnette Greenberg, and we're joined by Jim Eski Quiz Guy John Grant Hi Martha. You know guys when I do pub trivia every once in a while we have to do with sports question and everybody most people complain but some people like sports questions. So every once in a while, you gotta do them now as far as sports and words go I'm a fan of particularly well chosen team name now to my mind, the name has to fill several needs. It has to inspire or intimidate or should denote strength or power like the Saint Louis Rams or the Colorado. ROCKIES IT could speak to local pride like the New York. Knickerbockers of the Houston Texans could also have a clever connection to the city or the state like the Minnesota twins or the New England revolution right so I'll grab the providence of an actual sports team name that I find interesting or unusual and see if you can figure out the name of the team for example, the only team whose games I regularly attend may seem to be named for a large scale weather event but in actuality, this minor league baseball team is located near a legendary rollercoaster and that's where they got their name to happen to know which one it is the heat Miami. Heat. Funder. There's a thunder somewhere. This is this is actually a team that I clones yes Brooklyn site. The cyclone rollercoaster. That's right now it sounds great. It's perfect. You know it's a cyclone is very impressive and it's connected to the to the coney island's great. They are the minor league affiliate of the new. York Metropolitans. Let's sports knowledge when it comes a nomenclature. This NFL team may select their named for a dark avian associated with Halloween but more specifically or rather more literally their name references a famous poem written by a famous resident of their city Baltimore. Baltimore Ravens. Right This NBA franchise founded in one thousand, nine, hundred, five alludes to the most popular tourist attraction in its state and the kingdom that resides within it. The most popular tourist attraction in the state and it seemed resides and it right California no is it Florida it is in Florida. Yes. But it's not a Florida has a city name. So I'm going to say Landau Tinkerbell. Closed. Orlando Magic. Yes. Since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, this major league baseball team has been named in honor of its cities iconic industry and it may sound like they make coffee, but it's another very popular drink the brewers. That's right. Right handers what this major. League baseball team had seven players get married in its first year. So they were nicknamed the bridegroom's intimidating I. Know they were later given a name that referenced local mass transit the then moved to a city that doesn't have trolleys kept the last half of that name. What are they? Brooklyn dodgers right? Well, they were the Brooklyn dodgers are the dodge. The Brooklyn Bridegrooms? Right. They still had the tail end of the Charlie car system and the dodgers showed up right Aaron commitment he did. Marriage. Finally this major league soccer clubs name pays tribute to the men. Their city is named for and all the men who worked for him specifically on a series of voyages about five hundred years ago. Five hundred years ago. So Columbus. And Major League Soccer Club. Is the Columbus it's of course it's always important that your team name is alliterative. Columbus was in charge of Columbus means money well. Columbus end is men, Columbus, and his sailors of kind class. Ship what's that? Who who men's ship? What Group of real? Yes. The Columbus crew. sock soccer. That's Very good. You guys did fantastic. Very Good Sports. John did superbly affect facto. Perfecto. John. Thanks so much. Thank you. Talk to you next time, and if you'd like to talk with US call, US Eight, seven, seven, nine, two, nine, nine, six, seven three or send your emails, two words, Wayward Radio Dot Org, or you can find us on twitter at wayward. Hello you have a way with words. Hi there. This is Karen Galvin from Santa Barbara we'll. Hello care and welcome. To the show what's up one day my husband and I were driving along, and of course, it got me thinking about different words and I love how you guys dig through everything and there was a word. I've always been curious about the word I wanted to know about it. It's retire and retirement. Because I. Think of you know people retiring after thirty years. They've been dedicated hardworking five day week job. And I think they're gonNA have time to relax and. Go on indulge in hobbies and travel and just slow down a little bit. But the word retire to me SORTA says his tire all over again. Relaxing. Curious about that. Yeah you know when my dad retired he said I'm not retiring retreading for the journey ahead which. Thousand Miles. I was talking to my husband and we had another thought this morning. You know you usually at retirement age you raised your children but grandchildren come along and they retire you over again. Good. Home right that's the good thing. I I don't have any yet but when the day com fingers. Yeah. All right. So here's the here's the thing. English is a tricky ladies. She's got aces up her sleeves. An English is weird and one of the things that she does is she likes to throw words at us. They look exactly alike, but they're etymologically completely unrelated and so I R E in retire has nothing whatsoever etymologically to do with the tires to be tired or to to need to sleep it also etymological has nothing to do with the tire as the tire on the card cars three I'd just go looking parts of words that are unrelated. So that explains a lot of it right there. Right. So when you talk about retiring, we got it from French ultimately from Latin independent means to take back or to withdraw, and if you think for example about old fashioned meal experience, maybe you saw Downton Abbey and what happens after the meal they withdraw to another room they retire to that room, right? Maybe. The end they retired to their bedroom. So they were withdrawing from company and removing themselves from the regular situation to do something else and so when you were retiring from a career or an industry or a job, you are withdrawing yourself from that environment. Make sense at way there's a Lotta other languages use a form that were in Spanish and Portuguese the word for I believe the word for a withdrawal or with withdrawal is they tito something like not I are oh My. Husband meant he's fairly fluent in Spanish and he said there's the word terrar- to throw and he thought the same thing you're going to like throw a new spin on life and Over. K Kinda. Yeah we've done. And did he talk about the Spanish word? WHO'D BE LESEAN? No but I think you would feel that with retirement. Relation. Word for retirement. Yes. That's wonderful. Well I appreciate it. That's great. You guys I appreciate the the breakdown we appreciate your calling. Karen, thank you so much. Enjoy to care. Thanks. Bye Bye bye. Thank you, bye-bye. If you've got a different word for what it means to leave the working world and go to the volunteer world or the charity world or the grandkids world. Let us know eight, seven, seven, nine, hundred, nine, nine, six, seven, three or email words at radio dot org. Determine the other day step in repeat. Do you know what this step and repeat of it? You do the same place Yeah. It's the visual thing behind people who take photographs, Galas and special events that has all the logos that are repeated. Yeah. There's a long sheet of paper or foam core board or whatever behind the curtain. Yeah. It's called a step and repeat or a step and repeat wall or press wall, and it's one of those publicity backdrops that has all those logos behind the celebrities or whomever is getting photographed. What's really interesting to me is that step and repeat is an older term that has to do with photographic printing involving or. Pertaining to a procedure where you do something where it's a mechanism where you do one step and then another step, and then you do the same first step again like like when you're printing stamps or printing background checks. So I thought that was really fascinating when I learned that it was transferred to this backdrop. So interesting but still printing printing, it's a kind of printing but there's also the idea there of you have the celebrity standing there and you bring one person up to have a photograph with them and then the other personnel. Yeah so The name comes it, comes But I think it's reinforced by that idea, a step and repeat. Eight seven, seven, nine, hundred, nine, nine, six, seven, three. Hello you have a way with words. Hello. This is Ron from northeastern Wisconsin heireann going to the show around. Well. I. Am curious about the use of alternate words maybe and perhaps. I grew up with maybe I still use maybe. People that I talked to also do. But I've noticed that for quite a while now that. If I read the the word it's. Tends to be perhaps and if I certainly if I see it on TV whether news or a television show, it's perhaps So. Am I behind times or is this a regional thing or perhaps indeed a better word maybe more elite. I am not sure. Let me give you another option for that Ron as that they're both correct for the occasions in which they're being used. So it sounds like you're using maybe in everyday conversation, which is basically informal, right? Yes and you're seeing perhaps in print slightly more formal than spoken language and you're seeing on television is definitely more formal than just everyday conversation and that actually is the distinction between the two. There's almost no semantic difference. It really depends on the company that those two words keep what other words appear near them, what the sentences and paragraphs look. But they are generally sems the only difference is the register of the language perhaps tends to appear in slightly more elevated language and maybe tends to appear ends basically everyday language. I wouldn't even say informal language just like the run of the mill language that we speak with our friends and our family. Sure. Okay. Through throughout the it's not a regional issue. The formality or the formality of the. Of Discussion Lens it to perhaps or maybe, and perhaps it's not like it's this rarefied legal term or anything like that. It's it's just like. A little bit up. You know it's kind of like the assistant manager whereas maybe is just the the regular employee you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That makes sense I'll probably continue to use maybe but to. Understand. The differences that says it's good for me to know that we'll run. Thank you for your call. We really appreciate it. Thank you. All right. So by by you know I'm reminded of that old tasters choice commercial. Dear remember that one with only the hands in the clever voices. Well, it's it's. Like a man and a woman in the doorway. Okay and and at the end of one of them One of them says, look I'm in the middle of something right now. But perhaps and. Perhaps. Just a really, really sexy way. With maybe it wouldn't have been no. Works about that. I bet they discussed this for ages. And that AD agency. That roof that copy what works is that discrepancy between the register of the language and the letter intimacy the moment. You'll find a lot of humor. Particularly the better writers falls into that category this real discrepancy of register on occasion and for some reason that tickles your fancy almost every time. Yeah. Yeah. If you haven't seen that commercial, you need to look it up on the Internet eight, seven, seven, nine, hundred, nine, nine, six, seven, three. Hi there you have a way with words. Hi, this is Hopkins calling in from Suffolk Virginia. Will. Hello. Elizabeth Welcome. What do for having me? Sure. What we do for you I just became familiar with your program a few weeks ago. I was happening to listening to it while I was in the car and remember the situation that I was in when I was a kid of where I was. had moved from Hawaii to Indiana, and a rhyme had one word variant in a Hawaii to in Indiana and pretty much the only made a fool of myself but I was already an outsider moving from. A very diverse culture to not so diverse culture and and this one worked variant I. It was shocking in as a ten year old. It was pretty much expelled me from the in crowd. Yeah I got over it quickly, but it was it was awkward at the moment. So the saying, I believe in most the continental United States is circle circle dot dot. Now you have I, have my shot you have your could he shot so Someone who would be? ooh, would all of a sudden be accepted because you gave them the inauguration which is just circling and tapping the palm the back of the hand. Well. Children's rhyme well in Hawaii it was circle circle dot dot. Now you have your Yukos shot glitch means little bugs. Thank you I don't know how it was spelled I with you know nine or ten years old but I remember my mom explaining the word to me when I learned that she goes it means little like ukulele means little Qatar. So with a derivative from that. Interesting I love this. Okay. So you're on the playground and and you circle somebody and you you touch your finger to their. Magazine back of the. So you draw two circles in the back of the hand and then your tap it. circled. Dot Dot. And what's really funny I'm in a business networking and I had a a coffee with somebody after heard your program and I brought this up and he was moved from Hawaii here to Virginia and he finished the children's rhyme with me. With Lucas shot and we're both you know that you know I was thirty five years ago when I did this. We're both back back and Yeah and he was familiar. I was like okay I'm not remembering this wrong. It's not made up in my mind this is this really did happen so. Must have felt good. Yeah. Yeah. Confirmation. Five years played hurt right. When we can pile on more confirmation at least for the larger notion of Cudi shots the Hawaiian variant by the way is one that I haven't heard before and I'm delighted to get it because a lot of folklore is been done on the idea of Kuti's and things like cooties around the world because this whole game where somebody catches a thing on the playground and has to be inoculated. You can find you can find it in the last seventy years and Italy Germany UK Australia and whole bunch of other places, and it has a bunch of different names the. OBI's this husband and wife folklore team. They found twenty six different diseases that children could catch me. On the playgrounds of the United Kingdom is quoting conflict allergic. So are you saying, ooh, who Uku? Coup. Interest right yeah. Ukulele does come from Hawaiian words that mean jumping flea. Okay. Jumping Laos because of the way your fingers move on Ukulele when you're playing. I remember that now. Yeah. Yeah you're. In you cou you cou cou shot Okay I. Love. That better than cooties actually. I did you adopt? Adopt a the Cudi shot instead yes. Very quickly but and you know everything was fine. But I just remember later on it became a teacher and I just remember like you said languages so powerful and how includes your exclude you and that was the circumstance that. Excluded me at one moment Well, this has been wonderful. You've shared so much of your history in your story and we really appreciate it. Thank you for having me on the air will hopefully think of some more. Transitions with moves. Thanks. All right. Thank you bye-bye. Kim across a bit of railroad slang, bake a cake. Do you know what it means to bake a cake? Turn on all your lights I don't know what it means to build up steam locomotive. Stoking the Fire Yeah you're stoking the fire. In fact, another term from railroad slang for firemen is a bake hid a bake it. Eight, seven, seven, nine, two, nine, nine, six, seven, three. Support for a way with words comes from Jack and Caroline. Raymond Proud Sponsors of Wayward Inc the nonprofit that produces and distributes this program. You're listening to a way with words, the show about language and how we use it. I'm grant Barrett in Martha Barnett if you care about writing well, and of course you do because you're listening to our show I, want you to high yourself to the nearest bookstore or library and pick up a copy of a new book by Joe. Moran it's called I. You write a sentence, the elements of reading writing and life and Joe Moran is a professor of English and cultural history at. Liverpool John Moores. University in. England and the reason that I'm so excited about getting this book which I don't have yet but I know I'm GonNa love it is that I read an essay that he wrote in The Guardian it may be adapted from the book I'm not sure but just a taste of this pros made me want to get this book immediately he's talking in the essay about how to write the perfect sentence and it's it's really pretty close to a perfect essay. Let me just share a little bit of it. He says. A good sentence imposes a logic on the world's weirdness. It gets its power from the tension between the ease of its phrasing and the shock of its thought slid cleanly into the mind. A sentence as it proceeds is a paring away of options. Each added word because of the English language is dependence on word order reduces the writers alternatives in narrows the reader's expectations but even up to the last word, the writer has choices and can throw in a curveball. A sentence can begin in one place and end in another galaxy without breaking a single tactic rule. The poet Wayne cast inbound calls, it organizing lava this pleasure to be got from pushing a sentence in the wrong direction without altering its sweet grammatical composure. A love it isn't it gorgeous Composure. That book again is I, you write a sentence, the elements of reading writing and life by Joe Moran. If you've got a book, you'd like to share with US something. You think we should all read. Let us know eight, seven, seven, nine, two, nine, nine, six, seven, three, email us at words it wayward radio, dot org or talk to us on twitter at W. A. Y. W., O. R. D. High. You have a way with words. Hi, My Name's Darren I used I'm pronouncing I'm calling from Washington DC Hot Darren show what can we do for you So I have one of those classic I didn't realize. I. Was saying this weirdly until I moved into another place questions. I am originally from small town in southeastern Massachusetts. And I moved down to DC recently where we have all the Smithsonian's and all of that, and all my friends and giving me a really hard time about the way that I say the word. Museum. So I'm wondering. if you guys have a rebuttal for me of some variety on maybe why I might say museum the way that I stay museum. Do they want you to say. They want me to say museum with really enunciating that Um. I definitely remember being a kid and understanding how to spell the word museum getting stuck. I'm not all the time because in my head, it sounds like Z. a. m. but that's not how It's a quote unquote supposed to be pronounced. The second syllable rhymes with game. It's more like shes them. Maybe it's more like GAM- or Out. Okay Okay because what I'm hearing here is what I'm hearing is like a long a vowel it sounds more like a game to me the the vowel in game to me. But if you are doing if you if you are trying to do the the. Pam Lamb Cram vowel. Then you would be in line with the way that a fair number of people in the northeast do say that word now it's not that common. But I have seen enough anecdotal evidence of people in New York. Connecticut New England even as far south as Pennsylvania reporting that they say it is two syllables not three. They don't say museum but they say Museum. Like. Fat. So. To my ear that's a little different than what you're saying. But I think I think that there's room to suggest that because you're vowels even though you're vows a little different it's still Part and parcel of that same two syllable pronunciation of the word. Yeah I. Definitely agree that it sounds like it should be two syllables today. So my rebuttal would be is that you aren't alone. In pronouncing the word differently than most people pronounce it it doesn't necessarily make you wrong but it does make you different and so that's your task your task Taryn. Is How long can you stand up under the pressure of living in a big museum town like DC and constantly find yourself having this battle? I think I can hold my own. Okay. All right down the New England five. Give a sense of whether there might be other words but have that like e you am that could be pronounced as just one syllable with them. There aren't many anglicised native is. A words, the end with Seo the only one I can think of C. O L. E. M. How would you say that? That Coliseum Coliseum right? So you would you would you pronounce the end like most people say museum? Okay interesting. You know there's another word I WANNA toss at you which is idiot lacked idiolect is the language that you yourself speak and each one of us no matter who we are how we grew up aren't even for a twin or triplet and grew up our whole lives with close contact just a handful of people we each speak just a little differently than anyone else in the world and it says company Yeah Yeah. Yeah so it sounds like it. Yeah. I might have some other people speaking about part of my my language and maybe my own variations as well. Linguistic, tribe. That's awesome. Thanks for calling. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Take care to give by by Terence experience with having a word that they say differently isn't a rare one. We know that you've had this to call us and tell us about it. We'll explore it will figure it out together eight, seven, seven, nine, two, nine, nine, six, seven, three or email us words. Radio DOT ORG. We got an email from Johann bogue who lives in using Michigan and she was writing about a childhood confusion that she had. She said that when she was growing up, one of her neighbors was named Elden and one day she was playing nearby while her parents had a conversation with Ellen and at one point Johanna piped up with a comment she writes I addressed him as Elton my dad quickly shushed me and said not call him that from that point on I thought the name Eldon was a dirty word. I couldn't understand why someone would name their child and naughty words. It was much later that I realized that my dad me because I should have called him Mr. Begley. Not referred to by his first name and I love that story because it reminds me of that kind of limited period when you're a kid in your learning words and learning language but there are a few that are just out of reach They don't quite come in the packaging would tell you exactly when and where. And so all that time she thought it. Oh, you know he's he's passed away now but I had an uncle bud whose name was elden and he does not like being called eldest also that's. Going to. He was but he was a rascal and a character truck driver and he would have loved that story. Well thanks John. We love getting your stories about language. So send them two words it wayward radio DOT ORG or call us eight, seven, seven, nine, hundred, nine, nine, six, seven, three. Hello. You have a way with words. Hello. Hi this is written Malone instead Antonio. Welcome look at me do for you I had a quandary with a friend who is a musical person she teaches piano her father was a jazz musician and the forties and fifties. And somebody had. told her that they were going to the beach and they should bring her axe. She said to reach shopping would. And I thought well, that's really funny for her to say that her father that was a jazz musician. But I I've called my horn when I played was my axe. And I started thinking well, we're we're just term come from. What was your? What kind of instrument did your friend have? She plays piano the people that told her that they played various instruments, guitars and basis and stuff like that I play the saxophone. And you're looking for a background on ax to refer somebody. Musical Instrument. And I when I was growing up in the bands played and it didn't matter what you played. Your Horn was your acts. That conforms to what I know as well. So let me get straight people are asking her to bring her piano to the beach. Joke than anything? Bringing a Keytar or something like that yeah. Well, it's got a long history. A lot of people listening are probably going to be surprised that that an axe originally did mean a brass instrument and not a guitar because these days these days most at least casual musicians would probably think of a guitar I and the earliest that I've seen is nineteen forty forty-six in Billboard magazine but I would not be surprised if it's than that. So. Yeah. You can find people referring to trombone saxophone later even by the nineteen sixties and seventies people start to refer to things like their typewriter is their acts. or or even in the eighties nineties referring to their computer, whatever you use primarily as your means of getting money whatever your primary intimate is as it doesn't even have to look like an accent anymore. Now, the origin story is really interesting as far as I understand it. The best theory out there is that it comes from the term. No, this one would shedding. Do you get? Thought of that and you know. Well it's it's from intense practice by yourself usually, right By yourself are not in public in any case. Would shedding because it refers to kind of going out to the woodshed to practice your instrument and dates to the nineteen twenties, and so it's decades earlier than acts referring to the musical instrument. So it is believed that there's two things continuing your one. The idea is, what would you take out to the woodshed? Well, if you're really chopping wood, you'd bring acts. Up there to keep your your squawking in your noise away from everyone else you're bringing your music answer. But the second thing is a guitar and many other instruments have this long wooden handle that looks kind of like an axe handle right? Interesting I was familiar with the term would shedding and then I thought about big band musician Woody Herman. And one of his signature tunes was wood. Choppers Ball. That you know Oh, I don't know. Mid deletes Forty sometime in. The forties yeah. Yeah. So you have heard chopping as well and wood chopping to prefer to really shredding on Guitar. For brass instruments shredding. Yes. I'm familiar with particularly with modern rock guitarists but. I've never heard it used with any other instruments but you know I haven't played in thirty or forty years. It's been a while. Okay. Well, Rick I got to tell you this is a this is a great question. I was happy to come up with an answer for you just. Think. Calls again sometime. All right. I will I will take. We know you've got hobbies or weird profession or something needs to do in your spare time. You don't call hobby. It's actually the hobby and it's got words. It's gotTa Lingo. It's got a glossary lexicon. We want that eight, seven, seven, nine, two, nine, nine, six, seven, three emails at words would radio DOT ORG or talk to us on twitter at W.. A. W. O. R. D.. Get an email from David Spencer in Portland Oregon who writes in Super? Green Sustainable Renewable Portland I've been observing a new behavior that needs a name. Many cafeterias and fast food establishments request that you sort your refugees into one of several containers, including items destined for landfill recycling or composting. Often there's charter a diagram explaining which items go where there's a characteristic pause and look of befuddle moment people hold their discards and try to figure out which been to use that look of puzzlement needs a name. I know that feeling. Sorting your own rubbish between two different kinds of recycling and the trash yes. into the bottles go here is the paper go there or what I just had this this very experienced in Portland Anyway David suggests that these individuals look discount posted to compose posted so like discombobulated but combining compost. That disgusted in their myself I know that feeling particularly when you still have liquid left in something and like your Paper Cup, I can cycle it, but there's no place for me to pour the liquid. So support on top the trash and then recycled the cup. How does that work? That's a good question like if you're in the coffee shop and they don't give enough room for cream. them off the top right and there's no basis to cut you. Know trae or there's a garbage bag that somebody's got an empty. Yes. Poked. Right. Reminds me of the way. They would empty the trash cans in the subway Newark City where they just drag down the platform and you can see that smear for week. What are you thinking about in terms of language call US Eight, seven, seven, nine, hundred, nine, nine, six, seven, three. Hello. You have a way with words. Hello. This is at Bromley and I'm calling from Florence South Carolina but I'm here on business and I live in Lawrenceville Illinois but I have a question concerning the word ish. It's a word that I heard often when I was stationed in grand forks? Air Force Base North. Dakota. It was a word that kind of. What I understand, it was kind of a a gross or nasty I hear going on the radio. Would say today's going to be an issue day. The first time I heard that I thought did he say? No it's it's Yes. I S H I know a lot of my friends with a soda. They had the way of speaking to and You know if it was something that they just getting like they would say initially I is this is this a foreign word from another country? Just. To The is absolutely. Yeah. So you've you've nailed like whole big parts of the story of each of used mainly in North Dakota Minnesota Wisconsin a few other places and it comes from the Scandinavian heritage. They're probably from the Swedish and Norwegian settlers and both of those languages and possibly Danish they have. An. Interjection. Utterance that's kind of each that you use to express disgust or horror or revulsion or just dissatisfaction, and it was borrowed directly into English from those languages. So that is a foreign word that's commonly used in Scandinavia. Well yeah, exactly. It's commonly used in in Sweden and Norway, and now it's been anglicized. It is fully in English English word in in that part of the United States now it's may be. Of the. Travel around the country and I don't hear anywhere else. It's just definitely North Dakota? And they definitely have A. Different language another common thing Josh. Yeah, sure you bet. Yeah Minnesota Wisconsin I've heard it described as the word ish described as the sound you make when you step bare foot on a Banana Peel Bananas it's. I mean I can see why it has some staying power because it sort of sounds like a combination of squishy. Nikki yeah but yes. and Scandinavian route, and some word historians have theorized that the IC in English is related back in the of time to this very word Scandinavian languages. Fantastic I say it's amazing. I'm sixty years old and I've traveled all over the country and I've never heard anywhere else there and like I say for it to be commonly used even on the radio I thought that was pretty amazing. We're one country. We speak a lot of different English is that we? Truly truly cost against time with another report from the road. 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