Time Capsule Episode 368
Hi, this is Time Capsule episode 368 on the sft podcast Network. And now another addition of a Sci-Fi talk like Samwise gamgee from Lord of the Rings a character I play but I remember only one a good events. Julian Sands is a creepy man. Who's your master Padawan? Perhaps. Wow, that's great. I appreciate it off. My guy the Archangel Gabriel is that was early what is age important is that Burnham forgives herself? Because as Burnham I carry a tremendous amount of guilt and shame. My name is Alex Sahara. I played a raven Gods else to log. Iron, sure, the one-eyed una's Ricky leaders of the Sci-Fi talk typical typical Behavior special effects. And what's it like for you both to kind of act two things that aren't there? Well, you know, sometimes you have that experience anyway with people that are they would like to go to assist you in part because of the hopeful nature of jeans Vision, but also because of its message of diversity and inclusion long live long and prosper. Hi, this is Tony tellado with you and in this Edition we start with our Peter Keith who's wine-dark deep novel series is based on a museum exhibit the novel deals with the ship the Ulysses low on fuel and can get fuel near series, but the asteroid mind is taken over by revolutionaries wage. Here's part of our conversation. So yeah telling us about the story and kind of how it came to you sure. I you know, it's it's it's the office in a series and it's designed to be first and foremost a lot of fun but a but a hard science fiction kind of sci-fi Adventure, so it's and I'm very gratified that it seems to be something that people are having a an easy entry into the world of hard Science Fiction with Cool. So basically it's it deals with minors on the asteroid of series and just for listeners home where exactly is that located? Well, it's it's continuously circling the sun somewhere in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter wage. I think probably the easiest way for me to talk about this story is to talk about the Genesis of it. Sure. I spent five years. My my day job is as creative director for a museum exhibit company that deals with the exhibits that have a very high component of simulation videogames bill from the ground up to be not only educational experiences, but fun in a very organic way in the way that flying a spaceship might be if you if you wouldn't die if you made home And I had the great privilege to work with NASA during these five years of we are one of the very few exhibit Builders and it's just it designers that have a NASA space act agreement partnership in place so we can receive help and and data from them without a lot of difficulty. And that's also one of the reasons that I've I chosen I chose to write under a pen name because I wanted to be able to talk about this relationship, but I have bought an incredible respect for NASA and for their real interest in making sure that they don't endorse any products whatsoever. And you know, they had a very large strong hand in the creation of this exhibit and the help with it, but they don't have anything to do with these these books, but they grew out of the experience, so I wanted to be able to to talk to it off. Freely, so I I chose to write under a pending. So why did you choose series? Well series. It's very interesting. So one of the very interesting aspects of this exhibit is that you moved you moved through various stations, you learn various aspects of the principles of space flight and we chose to do it in a narrative form which is kind of unique for a museum exhibit and with a storyline that took place, you know, fifty to seventy-five years from now where Humanity has moved out into the solar system. And so that you could get not only an understanding of the of the concepts of space flights Orbitz and gravity and Newton's and Kepler's laws, but you could actually understand what it will take for Humanity to bring it out into space and then and you know, the probably the greatest Obstacle to that is Earth's gravitational field, you know, everything that we use in outer space right now is brought up from the earth that a tremendous tremendous cause and once you are out in space, once you are free from Earth's gravitational field, it really costs in resources the same amount of money to travel anywhere in the solar system. The only difference is time and the Moon is an incredible resource due to the the massive amounts of water that are locked in in lunar ice. And you said you visit those facilities in the exhibition and actually fly down to the surfaces. We we replicated the the surfaces of various locations in in the solar system directly using massive space probe data browsing the the lunar laser altimeter on the lunar reconnaissance Orbiter and the same with the Mars reconnaissance Orbiter and so the actual Landing areas Thursday. To drive around in the Rovers. It's actually it's one to one of these locations and what you quickly realize when you're working with all of these phenomenal people and faith that water is the key to exploring and and and to a continued presence of humanity out in the solar system because water ice pack give you oxygen to breathe it will give you the melted water and it will also give you fuel if you were to split that you get the oxygen to bleed to breathe and you get hydrogen which might be used in all kinds of things especially the plaza mention that the Ulysses is powered with and the spacecraft. The spacecraft Ulysses itself was designed with NASA for this Museum exhibition has was it slander in The Rovers that you've experienced in the books and the they were designed to such an extent that the same time. That calculated the the entry descent and Landing for the the Mars Curiosity Rover designed for example, the tank volumes and and fuel requirements for the Landers. And so this is an increase. So as I was doing this exhibit now, you can imagine so a museum exhibit is a very interesting thing in almost all forms of of interactive entertainment. There's one thing that you can count on and that is that your audience is somewhat interested in what you're talking about. Because they self-select right people for this show. They're interested in science fiction. They self-select for a video game that they happen to want to play but for a museum exhibit many people coming are coming on school buses or dragged by their parents or grandparents or significant other and they may not have a background in in this stuff. And so you have to be able to communicate wage These it's rocket science and it turns out that that's actually very very difficult stuff to understand even for a lifelong space nerd like myself when I'd actually began to work with with these folks. It was like the route to a liking it to be punished inside your head repeated. Wow, because it was just so very complicated. And so we had to create a you know, an exhibition that would speak to everybody and and communicate this with everybody and as we did this and created as I said that the the detail is truly incredible. There's a there are institutional resource utilization facilities mining the I seem to go down and you you see those you see how it's done. There's refueling systems you free fuel the spacecraft as you as the characters you will be listings in this exhibit. So it was all so detailed that I began to really Live in this world when I was in debugging these these massive simulations. I mean, they're miles wide. I began to feel that this was a real place and I got a good feel for the people that might life there the challenges that they might face and and the challenges were, you know, you realize or an equal mix of human nature and just technological future that we are creating and and so the problems that they would experience were, you know, truly compelling from the scientific standpoint when you can communicate that in a way that anybody can access hard science fiction becomes very accessible. And so, you know, when I was doing this, I I had this larger narrative that of course, you can't find to museum exhibit. There's one idea kept popping into my head and it was what if in the 1960s PBS had done Star Trek instead of NBC. Oh, and so that's what I decided to do with these books. It's almost You Know Carl Sagan Star Trek, you know, there you go. And and what I wanted to do with the series was to take you from in the first book and enormously grounded. There's no there's nothing outside that first part that may not happen within the next 20 to 30 years in all honesty scientifically technologically, and I wanted to take you from that grounded Martian the mortgage like reality step by step in a way that's truly earned into a world as fantastic as Star Trek. Wine-dark deep book one and two are available wherever you get your books, the entire conversation will be featured here. And also on my sci-fi talk scribes podcast bought a truck Austin returns to comics with edgeworld a Sci-Fi Western graphic novel that also matches in mystery two and forty seconds. Looks like a rescue mission to answer a distress call but as science explorers travel through alien gateways to heed the call an alien horde takes notice and pursues them artist and writer Jeremy Hahn took out the story. Both of these are comixology Originals. I spoke to both gentleman here as part of our conversation. We'll start with you with you. I love sci-fi westerns. I mean, I guess you know the most famous One although the original Star Trek did one. I want episode get done that with the okay Corral, but I guess Firefly and in building this world. What did you have in mind as far as what it was going to look like with your art and and and the tone of it. Well when I first started talking about it, we essentially wanted it to be sort of the I guess the gritty underbelly of Star Trek and Star Wars. So we want to have you know, a sort of a sense that you know, these are the people that live in the gutters of those particular universes and and um, you know, if she stops and the the the people who you don't think of is being Heroes of any particular story, so, you know, a lot of our our influences were were more from the wage. Western side of things, you know the gritty westerns and some of the Spaghetti Westerns and some of the things that we loved a lot but but we'll build bigger science fiction fans than we are Western fans. So we want to keep keep it grounded in a in a sort of a reality, you know, we didn't want everybody just looking like like it, you know just riding horses and and having them, you know, Six Guns strapped to their sides and and wearing cowboy hats and and the like, so we wanted we wanted to keep it grounded in a sense of Science Fiction. Yeah. I mean what I've seen so far or two pictures, there's women wearing top hats man's wearing a bowler which used to see in the old west probably in their travels or literally picking it off people or dead or whatever that we're trying to get out west in those days, but is that pretty much an homage or Maj to the old western say wage? That we all kind of used to see in our youth. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we were both my grandmother was a huge Western fan and she had John Wayne sculptures all over the house and home and uh, so yeah, it was it was a huge part of my childhood and and somewhat Pat's childhood as well. So we wanted to it's definitely a tip of the hat to that that old sensibility, you know, there's and there's the some of the tropes that we play with, you know, there's the the the the bar the local solution there's of course, you know, and there's you know, we have an Undertaker character who shows up later issue and um, so yeah there it's it definitely is its intended to sort of harking back to that sense in that feeling. Now Jeremy dilemma really for every writer is what type of Science Fiction are you going to to tell the story and and and not yours you wanted to also kind of have it as grounded as possible. Whatever we started working on this project. We had a long conversation about you know, exactly what kind of sci-fi we wanted it to be. Um, how long hard if we wanted the Sci-Fi, you know, right and Chris and I come from both come from a lot of poorer backgrounds and fantasy backgrounds Chris off my artist and I and when we talked about the project, we we realized that that while we love art science fiction and really love the song The Brilliance behind, uh, you know, the roddenberry's of the world and so on and so forth. We we really felt like like our strength where we were wanting to tell the story and log, In that that kind of Niche, you know of of sci-fi fantasy with the little dash of you know, creepy stuff and they're too so yeah, I mean I promise is interesting it it's their answering a distress call and they have to actually go through these different gateways that are alien gateways and then off to throw something on top of what what could be a standard Rescue Mission. They're also being hunted by aliens. So that certainly makes it pretty interesting as well. Yeah. We really wanted to have fun with it a lot of a lot of you know doing that mashup thing. Um, when we started it, I I love I love telling stories where Story is not really about what is on the surface first, you know, this this is this is a story about identity about people finding themselves about searching out an answer and then realizing something about yourself and that's what a lot of what I'm dealing with here. It's good. So it's not just straight up Space Opera. There's also a a meaning to what's going on. Well, you know, you can have you can have some of that too. I mean, you know, that's the great thing science fiction much like horror. I love good science fiction. Wow, good for is is social commentary, you know, you can talk to her about a lot of things and and you know, there's definitely a dose of that. I I love the idea that we can tell we can both tell a fake popcorn kind of movie style comic and at the same time really dive into character and what makes people human and and why we do the things we do age And and where that takes us look for Edge world and forty seconds comixology isn't comixology original and also on Amazon Kindle both conversations were had their own podcast at a future date on this feed and my sci-fi talk scribes podcast. There's more time capsule. So stay tuned. Let's get back to time capsule on the sft podcast Network starting September 26th. Sci-fi channel is debuting to animated series part of their t z Jeezy animated Originals Kelsey stephanitis created and is the showrunner for magical girl friendship Squad as twenty-somethings who are definitely underachieving are gifted Powers by a red panda who may not just be a regular red panda. It's irreverent funny and there's magic birth part of our conversation Kelsey stephanitis. What inspired you to create this so the very like origins of this idea came actually a few years ago back in like 2015 and cut around this time. There wasn't a lot of female little animation out there and I think this is kind of just something you know, I grew up on like The Simpsons Futurama shows like that. But like if and as I got older I never really got to see like dead people like myself where people like the women I know like represented in these shows just and then but we all like loved it will watch them. So kind of the idea came about like, what would it show and not animated show that was led by women look like and what if that show wasn't just like a gender swap of like an existing show, but like if it was actually something that's more feminine it seems and kind of like the magical girl genre is just a traditionally very feminine series for women. So kind of just taking a lot of those ideal job. Mike genre ideas and parroting them and also it's kind of the final product is I feels more of like parody slash tribute, but woke up taking those genre ideas and then turn them into a show. Like what would that look like? Yeah, and that's really kind of how it happened know awesome. Well, there's a lot to like about this Aries birth. As you mentioned. It is female representation and they're funny and it's a guy you always want to know exactly what girls talk about or women talk about when you're not there off and now we have a clue so it's great and and I like that and they say things that we were thought they say but it's great. It's great to have the series say that and then the characters themselves talk about how you know creating Alex and days. Yes, so I would say daisy was definitely very inspired by a lot of my friends at the time. I think just kind of like, you know, the way she acts the way she dresses wage was very much like, you know, so my my friends are like this this is very natural character to make and then Alex was kind of created to be a counterpart for Daisy and I think especially with this new series. We've kind of grabbed her into her own character to have like her own moment. So I think it's kind of she was Daisy was more built off of like my experiences my life and then Alex kind of was built off of the world of magical girl friendship Squad and you know and credit you for, you know adding a little diversity to two characters and I thought that was very important these days and I'll tell you the things that she says are so funny. It's like fantastic. So that's cool. That's really cool for the actors. Do you give birth? A little bit of room when recording their audio at all. Yeah. So what we do is we record all the audio before we start production. So you have the script off and we record each actor individually. So we do kind of have some room to be like You know this line you can like if you want to like take this line somewhere else we kind of every day with every record that's kind of like, you know, take this a few ways like try whatever you think this line how you would interpret this and then sometimes will be like, oh, can you try like this or if they do something very like interesting or funny that we didn't think of it's like, oh can we let's play off of that actually and then like record more like that soaks kind of like because this is happening before we start any like of the visual part in this process. It's kind of if they give a really good performance where they tell a really good joke, we can incorporate that in and then like play it up in an application. So I think they do get a lot of room to kind of really play with each line talk about deciding the animation style that you wanted for this So this one it came about I think we'll we have our we had our origin series which was definitely more inspired by like Steven Universe and more modern cartoons and then off with this one we're kind of taking. sorry season was we're excited taking this like it's really as more inspired by like, you know more Western cartoons with the sort of like a bit of the Flair that we all know from watching anime and it's kind of like a lot of the artists on this show are big fans of like all animation across the world. So it's kind of like when we were like deciding different things. It's like, you know, what do we like about what is like this show do that? We can try and incorporate here. It's like what do we want to try something totally different with and it's kind of it was kind of striking a balance, you know, kind of figuring out what parts we want to play up and like what effect are we going for in the scene? Like how much Freedom do we spoke with this type of movement? How much like do we need to pull back and just kind of let the other materials shine through so it was kind of like a long process a lot of back-and-forth bunch of different artists weighing in and I think she kind of the result is really just kind of like an adult animated cartoon with more like design sensibilities. You only usually see in like children's cartoons in America. So kind of really dead. More we did put a lot of like saw and work into the design and try I'm trying to make it like pretty and beautiful will still like, you know, there's a few nods. If you are a fan of Japanese animation should be like, oh like the way they do. This is something I've seen this show or like this angle this like type of effects. Look for the complete interview at a later date and look for magical girl friendship and another new animated series Wildlife on Syfy they both start September 26th. Check those listings. It's always a pleasure for me to talk to anybody connected with Star Trek and here are two of my favorite Klingons one was Chancellor gowron, and that is Robert O'Reilly and JG hertzler who is General martok. I actually talked to them before a virtual talk on Klingons along with Dr. Marko Corin who created the language of that claim to speak for the Museum of Science Fiction here is part of my conversation with these two talented artists Guerin was a very ambitious ruler and he was actually rewriting history much to worst Chagrin. How do you how do you see him now? Well, What we're going through now somebody must watch that show too, but I think what what occurred was a it was a natural ability of when you switch shows. I didn't expect to I started off with next-gen and actually I thought I was pretty heroic figure could because I was coming from a family Klingon family that was sort of outside the realm they were of royalty. But the way that job description was is that I was not an acceptable sort of person for and how I became this battle with with the other Klingon may take over with never actually explained then one once I did take over and get it then when Michael Jordan was moved over to Deep Space Nine. I knew I was probably going to do one off. Two things be killed off or get transferred over and and once I got transferred over I knew exactly what was going to occur. I would become You Know The Enemy to some way or degree or they needed people to fight to give action to the show and I was in natural there was interesting is they made me a political figure and not just I figured if I was going to fight I'd probably only lasted season. So the alternative was to become political and and they did that to me and I lasted the full run of of Deep Space Nine, which was excellent in my own opinion, but I have no, you know, it's like I'm one of those actors, you know, you give me the job I do it, you know, it's like the less I give my own opinion about it. I feel that's what I should be doing getting my boss. Opinion about it and and just do the job. There are certain things. I liked disliked, but I'm not a writer, you know, and and they have to go the full spectrum. They have a much harder job. I feel and and a much more, you know free job to to go and and create you know, and JG, you know, I thought in some ways martok was interesting because in some ways he was kind of a mentor and surrogate father for for Worf and was instrumental in helping him after the death of his wife. And so am I on the right track with him or does he view Wharf more as a comrade? We didn't start out that way I I The the first really significant episode that I was in was once more into the breach. Yes, and I that was with John Cole because who was coming back coming forward really the first Klingon ever John colicos. That's right. He was coming in to earn herself an honorable death. I guess he knew he was dying and he wanted to somehow Crown his life with an honorable death, which is everything to a Klingon and he came to me but I would not the first episode was these are my two favorite episodes. So I do get a mixed up soldiers of the Empire. Oh, yeah, I mean Soldiers the Empire which was directed by LeVar Burton Martock was presented as a man who has lost his courage lost his nerve a Klingon that's lost his very disrespected. His ship was disrespected. It was filmed. He was like the the if there was a like a curse to ship in the Navy that was it his his ship and and the the Klingon crew hated themselves hated the ship hated him and Worf came on and Jadzia also, but Worf put me in a position where I could actually behave in such a ways to overcome by fear wolf character after and he did it and I and I did overcome my fear of the jem'hadar at the end. We I welcome I'm making part of how smart talk he was partly was part sun part brother. That was probably the most emotionally-charged fulfilling episode. I ever got a chance to do because it really pushed Mar talk to his emotional ends about being a what all said and done being a Cowboy game. Being afraid. Yeah, there are things that I would I would undertake now accept as John and except that I you know, there are too many people involved in this too much chance of chance of rain earlier, but I would love to be able to do it. It's anyway Wharf provided martok with that possibility it worked out in that it's made in parts near my house, which came fulfilled a need that he had as well. Oh absolutely. My complete conversation will be on this podcast and also a special called Klingons on my Star Trek podcast capsule that'll feature them along with Dr. Marko Corin. And even Michael Dorn. Thanks for listening to sci-fi talk episode. 368. Listen to My Time Capsule archive starting with the very first episode and Beyond until next time. This is Tony. Tellado. Hi, this is Jonathan composer and editor of Superman Returns. And you listening to sci-fi talk.