Beyond the Headlines Detroit Episode 22

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You're listening to the podcast detroit visit w._w._w. Dot i'd passed introit dot com before information <music>. Welcome to beyond the headlines with your host veteran journalists dealing nichols. Please welcome to another episode of beyond the headlines. I'm your host darren nichols. There's been a lot going on locally and nationally over the past week or so jay. Z sit sent social media black social media on fire when he struck a deal with the n._f._l. To produce the halftime show for the super fall but he also requires social activism colin kaepernick situation looms all over the agreement in folks had strong opinions hangings on both sides in our area. We were also in the spotlight nationally and end locally for three stories stories michigan state star. Mateen cleaves was accredit acquitted for raping a woman for years ago. A nine year old girl was killed by a pit bull raising the issue. Should there be more stringent regulations on the drought on the dog breed and finally the rapper t grizzlies car was shot up leaving his aunt and manager dead helping us break down. Some of the news and these issues is stephanie. Davis davis the on air voice you hear at w._w. Gay radio nine fifty welcome stephanie. Thank you thank you. It's good to be here in good to see you and good to be a part of this podcast. I listen so i'm honored to be here or that's great. That's great and tell folks about yourself so that they get to know who you are. They hear your voice but they don't really know who you are. So tell the folks around the metro detroit area who is stephanie davis because i know who stephanie davis is but tell tell the world who stephanie davis's well it and you know it's really interesting because i was talking to another journalist friend on my way here and i'm like man i have to i have to answer questions this instead of being the one asking questions so that's a little that's a little different so and then i rarely talk about myself rarely <hes> but since you asked <hes> born and raised here in the city of detroit <hes> the daughter of <hes> autoworker my dad joseph. Davis junior spent over twenty eight years with ford motor company. My mom worked in retail in downtown detroit specifically and she was the one that actually kind of cat up started my career ear 'cause she was always. Is you know moms are right. They are <hes> your cheerleaders and your marketing managers and so on. It's only way <hes> my mom worked in retail. Many years downtown detroit got to know martha mcqueen and kept nagging her about her daughter. My daughter is down in college and she's majoring in communications and in so queen acquiesced to my mother's nagging and hired hired me and that's where i started my radio career actually in this market which is <hes> really rare rare to start in a major media market it it it was just <hes> the blessings of god. I can't take credit for it so that's kind of how start my career. That's exactly how i started my career. <hes> under martha jean the queen steinberg came in as a reporter <hes> ended up being the news talk director and had a lot of fun doing community radio and and that that is where i got a good lesson on the city of detroit and its people its leaders the history i knew some some some history but got a different type of history just three there and so i started my career in radio station radio twenty years plus. I'm going to fast forward. I'm still in radio. It's been twenty five years plus that is really unbelievable <hes> and so i love rhino how you can do that when you only twenty six years old saying yes and this is why i love darren nichols <hes> but no i so so twenty five years plus. I did some time with detroit. Public schools radio had fun there with young people and students and training them working with the legendary and my dear friend cliff russell and say you're working cliff yup and i met him actually at qh chen we prefer in in in so it the relationship started there and so <hes> worked <hes> some years at the detroit public schools ride at the time of the changeover some we'll call it the the the takeover <hes> and when the state actually took control of yesterday back in the ninety nineteen nineteen ninety nine yes. I know you know very well. I know very well because i covered it could day that it went down yeah that that's a whole podcast <hes> a amen and so that's why i am so. I'm currently the anchor a reporter at w. W. j. anchor on the weekends overnight if you up at three a._m. A._m. tune in i get you around traffic and weather and we'll keep you updated and then also i'm the reporter <hes> the evening reporter <hes> in the evenings at w._j. During in the week and <hes> also if i can just say <hes> i've been a partner for a while with fresh nation <hes> and we train <hes> students since grade school students in broadcast training classes and we're having fun over at detroit pal. We start our our class this coming saturday for five weeks okay and i been doing that for about a year now. Having some fun with some young people introducing them to the world broadcasting that sounds great sounds great so let's just jump right into who it you covered the mateen cleaves case this week. Talk to me a little bit about the case case and what you noticed <hes> in the courtroom. I guess <hes> tuesday yep in and to to be honest. I didn't cover her of course the station did <hes> and fascinating story right imitation cleaves acquitted <hes> found not guilty of the charges charges of sexual assault and and <hes> you know here is a young man beloved in flint and really southeast michigan and across <hes> the state <hes> for his time here and he was just always that face of michigan state university and so the forty one year old now <hes> <hes> he was facing second degree criminal sexual conduct and third degree criminal sexual conduct and unlawful imprisonment and assault <hes> with intent to commit sexual penetration for allegedly sexually assaulting a woman this happening back in twenty fifteen at the knights in <hes> in mundy township township after a golf outing there and so the verdict comes about six days after testimony from the alleged victim her former oh boy friend and some police officers all you know who were there and <hes> they the closing arguments. If if you were watching this one it took several hours on tuesday huge day but then the <hes> the the jury coming back deliberating for less than three hours yes <hes> before returning that verdict around four twenty on tuesday and the jury comprised of tin tin women and four men and two jurors were randomly dismissed but they came back with that not guilty verdict and <hes> cleaves <hes> is a free man and he can put this behind him right and so my question into you is sort of what does this mean for other rape victims because we know it's very difficult for victims to come forward forward and you see particularly when you when it comes to high profile athletes when it comes to entertainers when it comes to high profile profile people <hes> they end up in a lotta cases being acquitted of these incidents that occur yeah and <hes> you know in this metoo movement. We're still in that right absolute as we we're seeing i think maybe some effects with the epstein case <hes> now charges coming forward and before you go on i just wanna make it clear. I'm not saying that mccain cleaves did rape the women because he was found not not guilty so i'm not making any <hes> <hes> assessment on his case but i do want to deal with the issue of what does it mean for victims so victims and this particular case it means <hes> well. It's you know for those who who say this. You know this woman was raped and she came came forward and as you know there was some back and forth with this case right. The charges were dismissed and they were reinstated. I think there was even an appeals process and so they came back and so it it's a it's a little bit of a blow. If you're a of someone who was advocating for rape victims to come forward i think <hes> <hes> but but a jury a lot of times you've sat through some cases where you see the details that come out and the evidence that come out and then the the jury comes back and make a decision and sometimes i have to step back and say wait a minute this jury had access to all information and then they came back with this verdict verdict have to respect that right and so i think to rape victims. They're thinking you know. This is sort of a blow. After this this this woman had made the claim and there there was some video evidence that some say suggested that something was going on but the jury wasn't convinced and i've sat on a jury before and you can go back and forth and i was surprised really the three <hes> less than three hours at this jury took to come back with a verdict. I think there was some after looking at the evidence they were there was some confidence in their decision and so it could be a blow to those who advocate for victims to come forward <hes> but i always have to step back and say wait. We didn't see all the details here and the jury ditz. We'll have to respect that yeah. I mean for me. You know you always have to keep it in the context of not not particularly not necessarily with this to go case but his link with michigan state university with all of the things that was going all larry nassar with all of the things that you <unk> are hearing in have seen witnessed over the last eighteen months or so with michigan state athletes <hes> and sexual assaults on campus and and <hes> the sort of i guess cover up <hes> of what was going on with those victims and so oh mateen cleaves obviously was not a part of that culture as it was currently going on however it still still that cloud of what michigan state is going through still lingers on even with those athletes who have graduated and moved away and and so that's a part of the reason why i brought that question you know forward. I think you make an interesting an interesting connection. You're seeing this picture in a larger picture church of michigan state university and i i would imagine that some some thought taste since this. Is you know coming. After after the nassar maybe there will be some maybe some empathy and in this case and and maybe <hes> you know innocence genesis corbeil i think to make the two connect connected to but it's michigan state as the umbrella but again the jurors will saw the evidence and came back and made a decision right and and so did you see mateen's reaction after <hes> the the verdict perfect and what did you think about it if you saw it. That's all some video outside the courtroom with the us attorney's yes i did see that <hes> and you know i saw him ma too long some time ago at <hes> at a restaurant and and he was with his family <hes> in a couple of people would go up tim <hes> you know from time to time. I'm kinda interrupting eating and i just it. This case was in the back of my mind as he was sitting there eating and i just could imagine okay. He knows he's probably going to be facing facing. <hes> the jury again on these charges. You know what how how is he feeling but you got a chance to see how he was feeling. I thought you know it was appropriate for him. Obviously going through that and and coming out acquitted to show not give okay well. Let's move onto the the sort of next thing <hes> the nine year old girl <hes> terrible <hes> incident she was kamal by pit bull <hes> while she was <hes> walking down. The street was riding her bike. She was on her by her by alley area behind their house. M hernandez nine year old <hes> and i was out in the neighborhood just yesterday <hes> and you know you have to your heart goes out to this family who lost his child in this way and <hes> she he was riding her bike and three dogs <hes> that attacked her and <hes> there was a person who came to her aid <hes> <hes> someone on the block and then there was another woman who sat with her <hes> gets a man got there. He threw a brick at one of the dogs and i guess one one got away in somebody ended up coming and shooting one of the dogs and <hes> and to get the dogs off of her and so <hes> she not as she waited for e._m._s. <hes> a woman sat with her and was just trying to encourage her to to to stay with her and she said by the time e._m._s. got there she lost pulse so and so this says <hes> this is one of those stories that i think will to change something in the city of detroit people you know in. We're we're we. We add our store yesterday. Just the mayor mike duggan saying you know oh there's gotta be something we can do <hes> with regards to owners and how they secure these animals and their pets <hes> better fencing we've got we've got upon our <hes> you know patrols and also enforcement of these these laws that we already have and so <hes> it it's just tragic can and <hes> just a story today. I'm not sure if we're running it but i did see it on social media but this young girl's uncle had to fend off two dogs in the same actually on the west side and he shot at one of the deals so the city of detroit has a problem problem. If one child ends up dead because of a mauling we have a problem and so i think you will see something done as a result right and so you said you were out in the neighborhood yesterday. What was the mood and in the neighborhood and what did you see in discoverer. When you are out on assignment yet yeah and <hes> was i went to saint hedwig park which is a park next to the church where this young this young girl and her family members at saint hedwig and the mood <hes> from what i can gauge <hes> children are afraid. I did gauge that <hes>. I like you know hey we do see dogs from time to time and now we're just gonna run and <hes> you feel for them because these are kids you know we play outside and we we have to worry about that but these this is a concern of kids. Now haven't play outside <hes> so these are kids. I think they were like seven eight years old. Maybe nine ten eleven still getting in that last play outside before summer before school starts and and so there was a sense of of fear we're of of these young people plan outside and not talk to some parents there who knew the family of emma hernandez and they said you know the community now. That's the other part of the story. When we see tragedies like this right you have the community respond and so now you're seeing the response. People are just wanting wanting to do something to support this family. We've seen a gofundme page. Surpass forty thousand dollars and that's another story taken up by the millionaire. <hes> pokey is his last name. I'm forgetting his first name at the moment <hes> but kind of issue that twitter challenge and so the funeral was paid for and they've got all of this money that they've raised so now you see the support around this this family and so that's what i'm even talking to <hes> the adults. They think oh yeah i'm jay. I'll check on her today. I'm gonna go over to the house and let her know that you guys because we were out at the park and talking and so <hes> there is the communities responding they're wrapping their arms around this family and that's the sense since i get from from the adults <hes> about a decade ago there was a movement where several communities around metro detroit decided to ban pit bulls also <hes> in their communities because of these kinds of situations. Do you see this going hit. Detroit headed in that fashion and the second second piece of it is how do you enforce it when adult went if you do have it. I mean because you know detroit is not <hes> mm-hmm. I dunno garden city where you have a such a small community where you can drive around with police cars and you can find the house that has has the pit bulls right. Detroit is still you know three hundred and seventy two square miles you know <hes> even still has still has six hundred thousand six hundred fifty thousand people <hes> and so it faces challenges in terms of that and so where do you see this headed headed <hes> as we move forward and i think and where do i see this headed. I don't see a band completely. I don't see that for a couple reasons. <hes> and you know we have dog lovers in the city who will probably fight that in probably could have a legitimate lawsuit. I don't know but i don't see a city wide ban. I do see stepped up enforcement of those who number one who who who've already had problems <hes> so if you have a pit bull city of detroit and the city has already already maybe reached out to you you've been reported on there will be i think a stepped up enforcement of certain things and action taken as as a result especially in those communities in southwest detroit in particular where you do see more of stray dogs or and or a ah homeowner or homes owners with those dogs and maybe they're not secure yard at the fencing is not writer. They've <hes> they've got now before. I think the case today i think the dog jumped out of the window of house to tack this man and so i think this is going to be a stepped up forcement in there. They're going to be penalties and the city using this instance. This tragedy will say we must do it. We must do do it now so i definitely see that and before we move on to our next subject put our listeners in the in the vantage point of view as a reporter because most people don't understand what we as reporters deal with right <hes> they think that we are <hes> people who have no feelings have no empathy <hes> and all of that and we <hes> we're just hardin in people who ask these tough questions now so so put our listeners in your shoes when you were in southwest detroit. <hes> tom this this week. In particular <hes> how tough it was for you to cover <hes> a tragedy such as this and does it wear on you over time or is it something that you you know you turn it on when you're at work in the turn it off once you get home. There's definitely no turn on turn off me. I know for sure and and and i can't speak for others but i will say that you are affected by it. You know you are that's basically you are in if i could put you in my shoes of course <hes> you know how come into work like you go into work. You know you have your mindset <hes> and in my mind i know 'cause i reading news. I'm i'm watching things even before i come in. I'm like man. This is the story of the day man and i'm looking at the details and in on my heart goes out to you know any victim of a tragic circumstance it does and that's when i when i see this young girl emma i see my niece. It's my nephew who plays outside in detroit or my neighbor and i i i see them as my neighbors and so i in my mine i'm like man. I'm a woman faith. I believe in god and the lord jesus christ and so i say a prayer go out and i'm like man. I'm just blessed his family comfort comfort them. That's that's that that gets me through you know just in my mind i can pray for them and then when i go out and have to face families lease who are grieving. You've faced reporters. We see people in their worst at their worst moment and i think you just lead lead with compassion. Always you know i know that i'm going to get the story. I know that <hes> audio as we call it in my business we gotta get audio <hes> <hes> i know that i'm going to get that lead with compassion and justice <hes> you know just some empathy for them in what they're they're going through and so a lotta times. I'll just say i initially just say i'm so sorry for your loss and i genuinely mean that. I'm so sorry for your loss <hes>. I can't imagine what you're going through a lot of times. I tell them who i am. I if you have a few moments. I just wanna just ask you a couple questions and you know <hes> in the most of the time i people are gracious. You believe it or not people are gracious in this these moments and so and i lead that way and i just try. Try try to put myself myself in their shoes. You know how i want somebody to approach me. If i just lost my son or my daughter i went to the interview. The family who lost the young man at the gas station. Who was you know he was hit heat and again took our accident guy jumps out and he hits this guy and he dies and so i was one of the few reporters out there first and they were putting up ribbons in my heart sometimes darren. I'm gonna admit dowsett in the common arn cry minute. You know just to get myself together because this is this is tragic and so i they were gracious i said i'm so sorry and then a lot of times they hug me and so i don't i don't. I don't stop them from hugging me. I hug them back in those cases. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna hug coming reporter. That's crazy <hes> but yeah i've had people when i come up and say something and then they hug me and i'm like okay and then okay then i'll pause. I'll wait a minute then i'll say. Is it okay if i can talk to you. I don't understand if you and they have their gracious. Yeah i mean absolutely same thing here. <hes> i was gonna ask you. I know you have covered and the same thing the biggest one that stands out in my mind was when i was an intern at the detroit news and there was a shooting or a killing thing of a <hes> eight-year-old eight or ten years old young man killed by his neighbor <hes> the neighbor he was going across the street to play <hes> with his neighbor and inside the house. They were playing with the gun and they shot through <hes>. Oh wow the the door and the young man was killed and i had to drive to flint <hes> and to interview his family well the next day next day and i'm twenty maybe twenty one years old at the time right and the only thing that i could do was was tell them that i am writing the story so that people can know who your child was was <hes> and that they're not going to remember your child. As someone who just got shot or was involved in a bad incident incident and this was a way of telling at that at that point six hundred and fifty thousand readers yes the detroit news <hes> the child was in there and that they're just not another blip on the screen <hes> and then another one one was <hes> that same summer because i was filling in on the cops beat for corey williams shock and corey wing or <hes> <hes> i covered a shooting of a murder of a young lady at who was getting robbed at a taco bell on on the taco bell that's on six mile and hubble bubble. I believe six-mile hubble okay and the i track laid down or her family down at a house that was listed <hes> when over to the house rang the doorbell but ahead ahead to break the news on no to the young lady that her cousin had been killed. Wow <hes> mind and you wow twenty twenty one years old how again after we got over that shock because <hes> we eh it clearly. I was not anticipating that i was going to tell her that her cousin had died the day before <hes> <hes> but what we found out in having some of this compassion was that the cousin worked at the taco bell with the young lady previously officially with the young lady and told her that she should leave that location because it was too dangerous for her and so it turned out to be a very good story a very compassionate story primarily because you had you were you were dealt with a real life situation right in front of you and you don't have time to say anything other than i and being compassionate us anything other than being. I'm sorry not only for breaking this news to you or telling you about your cousin dozen but for the loss itself right <hes> and that and i think having those experiences early in my career <hes> it also helped me later on down the road <hes> as i dealt with other murders in fire and all those other kinds of things yes wow aw can't imagine i can't imagine it was tough to say the least yeah twenty twenty one years old at any age. It's very hard to to deal with and i'll say this to aspects. I've experienced this too when i've gone to fires and shootings where people don't i wanna talk and they're angry and they don't want to see a reporter in their face with a microphone and i respect that too. Oh absolutely i respect that too <hes> <hes> i understand that <hes> you may remember this last it was last summer. A young man was killed over gym shoes. I guess he was selling them online. He met up with yes. Someone one in something happened and the person shot and killed him yes and his mother who raised him right. Do everything right told them you know just be careful and so i remember being on the scene there with a microphone just kinda standing off to the side. This is what we do we go to the scene and we stand off on the side and i'm always respectful of police and grieving family and <hes> i approach and manages m._s. All i needed. He said we don't want to talk right and and he yeah i understand i think one of as as a journalist as a newspaper the journalists i had an advantage <hes> i could always walk to the scene. One of my one of my tricks for any journalist net is listening right now. One of my tricks was i. We'll put my notebook in my back pocket and i would just stand there and i would listen and i would talk as as any person that was watching ching what was going on happened and then i would pull out my notebook after i got comfortable whack after i assess the situation and found and that one person who you think might talk and then you ask them what was going on and then you kind of you know you gauge and then you know again your blackened and all black situation <hes> that helps to yeah <hes> because you're able to <hes> safe. It's not for people like me. You're not going to get your loved one in the paper. No one else is is going to show your side of the story as well as we can. Yes <hes> and that was one of the things that i try to do as well but but again all of those things were learned very very early <hes> and when i learned those very very early it helped me later on in my career yes as well and speaking of tragedies cities. One happened yesterday meaning. If you're if you're going to listen to it it'll be a couple of days layer so this was wednesday <hes> as has t grizzly was <hes> driving on the east side of detroit <hes> and he <hes> his car was shot up <hes> it is in question whether he was the intended target of <hes> what was going on yesterday but as as a result his manager <hes> as a <hes> was was killed <hes> and and so talk a little bit about this and whether this will be the spark that really gets the administration and the police chief active about the shootings that are going on edge troy. This is <hes> into the rap world this this is mater absolutely it is major her and to the rest of us who may not listen all that much to wrap it. We're thinking who is t- grizzly. You're probably looking them up right now. Let me look up and see what happen. Open who t t grizzlies from you know from detroit area the manager young woman killed on on the issue of crime <hes>. I think you know oh. This is another moment and i see this as an opportunity for the police chief with this community right with this community <hes> that that who knows grizzly to to kind of make some inroads here because i don't my humble opinion. I don't think it was a random shooting. I think they knew and then <hes>. I think unfortunately maybe this young woman was not the target <hes> but she was with t- sheikh grisly so i think it's an opportunity for the police department to do some things in regards to this community to this the rap world world that exists. I think <hes> i think some i think what is the rap world disconnected from the average detroiter detroiter. I mean you're talking about <hes> a whole genre of folks who listen to hip hop <hes> you're talking about <music> out a whole bunch of people who are thirty five twenty twenty-five under under who who listen to that music nick you know and so he was an anti was homegrown yes and so i don't necessarily know if it just is uh-huh hits. The hip hop community because the hip hop community is for the most part art. A large segment of who detroit is right yes so we know that we have problems in our neighborhoods. <hes> we've seen <hes> you know campaign about check yourself. You've seen the mayor who was sitting with <hes> gang leaders or crime leaders you know and had pizza with them but so far the summer none of it has worked what is going to make it work what is going to make people people get off their butts and get serious about dealing with crime in detroit and i'm shaking my head on microphone folks. You can't see i'm an agreement. I have those same questions that you have <hes>. I from what i can see. I think there still is <music>. This problem of people thinking they can shoot and get away with it and we see that all the time and i think in this is my humble opinion. When i stand back and making observation i think in in a certain <hes> certain group of people those who who want to commit a crime. They're probably thinking you know i can. I can do this and not get caught. Nobody's gonna say anything and that's where we need to hone in on you know. How can we want. Change that mindset like you can you can shoot somebody and get away with it and then two for those who see see something to say something how do you those are the areas. I think we can deal with and and if the police have answers. I am open to them. I think the the to his credit chief chief james craig has done well in with the green light program their green lights everywhere and i think the way they can respond to crime because of green light is over beautiful thing it's wonderful. I don't know if it's a a big deterrent with crimes like the one we're talking about a drive by shooting people not <hes> you know 'cause how many i mean. I'm like like i'm talking to an audience. How many of you know if you could raise your hand that the people in that vehicle probably know who the shooters are are sure they probably do and in a lot of instances. I've had detectives. Tell me a lot of times. People know who the shooter is sure hot hot. They don't see anything for whatever reason they don't and that's a problem we have. That's i have no idea what the answer is. I have idea okay and one final an issue. I failed to mention earlier in the broadcast is about facial facial recognition technology because you're talking about all of the things that helped deter crime <hes> although there's a very mixed bag on facial recognition took -nology and because it does not necessarily <hes> pick up on <hes> the right victim or the right <hes> assailant in what is going on and so tell me about your coverage on <hes> facial recognition technology and where's this thing going into jury so <hes> facial recognition technology is already being used in detroit number one <hes> first of all oh <hes> michigan state police have been using it for years more than a decade and the police department has been using m._s._p.'s software off wear and their technology so what we have in this discussion and debate today is hey the seat of detroit police department purchase their own software and now now they need policy to govern this software and that's where we are with this discussion because they're using it right <hes> they just need the the board of police commissioners to adopt a policy to govern it and so the concern legitimate and we saw in the exchange change in twitter twitter posts on recently <hes> between congresswoman proceeded to leave and the police department but the concern is that hey this technology miss identifies people a lot and in particular african americans and so black and brown people people in particular and also mostly african americans so the police department has been hearing it from the community. Hey look this is the problem we have. We don't like this and we don't want you to use it and the police department is like hey wait a minute. We're not using it in the way that you think we are. They ah the police department is chief craig and the mayor mayor. Mike duggan his come out to say hey look. We are not using this technology in for surveillance in other words. If you're walking down the street you've seen it on the movies where you know your faces digitizing transfer back and so it's in real time that you know they're not using it that way and for example men just sitting in talking with the chief yesterday or this recently he gave us an example of what he called a the mass mass shooting where man came into a house party opened fire shooting five people killing three and the man had a mass is gone but a witness remembered what he was wearing so they checked some green lights gas stations boom there he is he's he's in the gas station wearing the same clothes but he doesn't have his mask on in so just so they can get a suspect or someone they took took the steel pitcher from that <hes> green like of video camera camera and ran it through their system and they showed us reporters number of reporters reported a hey we ran this picture through our system and these are the faces that came up there were four different men and they're saying looking at this man and the pitches that came up they don't match so we would immediately these guys and these guys are not the one and so they have a pitcher though right now i just try and identify in the man <hes> i had a facebook page and so they found him on facebook of course i'm just saying if you got facebook so he's on facebook with money and guns and so on and so they matched on facebook live with all your stuff yeah. That's what you know. He had pitchers on top of car. I know he's got a lot of money and so they were able to identify them through and they didn't. It wasn't live surveillance. It's like they saw they saw the picture of this man wearing the same clothes as the witnesses said that he was wearing when they rob when he robbed them and shot him and so now they have the person's not arrested by the way and and here's some numbers for you <hes> detroit police department according to the chief has used facial recognition for time since june. Three of those cases are still pending one of the case one. I'm speaking of they've identified so it's in the chief will say this count over and over. This is just a tool to help solve a crime and he he wants the focus to be more on the victims and and also the the perpetrators in this case and so he said he met with the number of families of victims and he said to them you know we want to go back and some of these cases this and if we're there is video we're going to try to find a face through our technology <hes> and through our system to matt and he's. He said they got an applause. You you know people really want something to help. Solve these old cases and we have a lot of them in the city of detroit sure sure sure sure well. We're running short on time <music>. I'm so give us your final thoughts on everything that we've talked about and <hes> tell folks where they can find you. <hes> i'm in give her email address year phone numbers and all of that good stuff sure thank you so much. I don't know how to synopsis to bring this to a synopsis but <hes> it's just an honor <hes> i've i consider it <hes> a blessing to be able to work in this field but people like yourself. I dare nichols on the beat was was always was glad to see him on scene or something because i know if i had a question if i was like man i missed that i can go and ask darren so it's been an honor to work in this field and with so many <hes> very <hes> just dynamic people like yourself. I enjoy this work. <hes> and you know <hes> hug reporter no no but we i just enjoy the work in and helping to to to pass on information <hes> i do enjoy that part of it and i look forward to many more years. You can reach me if you have a story. I'm always looking for stories. I'm on social always looking always looking for stories. This is looking for stories on so lug. We're looking for stories here and low and i listened to darren too so listen to this podcast looked list looking for stories stories. It's so and i appreciate the work that you're continuing to do in this brand new world of of journalism really podcasting who who who would've known many years ago so i'm at at s davis w._w. Jay on twitter and stephanie davis on facebook on instagram stephanie de underscore four three one three stephanie de underscore three one three and i sure i give my number. If you have a story idea i have a number for you. Two four eight eight four zero fifty nine twenty five two four eight four zero fifty nine twenty five well again. Thank you stephanie for appearing beyond the headlines and that will be at for this week and you all have blessed week relieve beyond the headlines this week. I wanna give you as we always do an inspirational quote that you can ponder this this week. This one is from dr. Benjamin e. mays the former president of morehouse college. It must be born in mind that the tragedy of life does not lie in reaching your goal. The tragedy of life lies in having no goal to reach until until next time. We'll see you on beyond the headlines yeah.

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