Episode 085 - The art of mixology - creative coding

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<music> title welcome to a brand brand new episode of the fronted happy our podcast in this episode we are getting creative with our code and talking with our very very special guest who's been on many episodes surely. Woohoo here again to join us to talk about Creative Code Shirley. Can you give us brief introductions of who you are what you do and what your favorite happy hour beverages <music> Hi. Thank you so much for having me back here again. I pretty much begged police. We can talk about anything. I JUST WANNA hang out with you. My name is Shirley. My official title is the I've given myself is independent creator of data visualizations. I work with EH clients with their data to all kind of like visual stories are but for the last year my goal has been to do more and <hes> specifically to do more physical. Maybe installation based art. We'll see how that goes but yeah so that's why I was like. Please have me coon then maybe we can talk about art. <hes> and my favorite happy hour beverage has not changed is whiskey of the Japanese kind which we are drinking yeah all right well. Let's also go around the table and give introduction of today's panelists. Stacey WANNA start it off sure stacy La Nina Simone Front Engineer Atlassian and Mars Julian. I'm a senior software engineer at net flicks Augusta soon software engineer at twitch and and I'm Ryan Burgess a software engineer manager at net flicks in each of the front unhappy our podcast. We like to choose keyword that if it's mentioned it on the episode we all take a drink doc and what did we decide. Today's keyword is colored dollar. We almost forgot with early this. Is You know it's it's GonNa be a good episode of the Keyword. If we say the word color from now on we will take a drink all right. I thought great way to start what art form Z. Like so many. I mean yeah. That's that's a tough question like so. Much is art like music visual art. There's a painting digital art. There's various kinds of <hes> sub genres within each of those Elilott. I don't think that I could did. I feel like I would be if I lost like certain senses like like if I lost my vision I lost my hearing. It'd be very upset because there's so many art forms that that I really enjoy that come through the census so music through through hearing or visual like painting and seeing that kind of thing so yeah what's actually on that point. I'm so I grew up <hes> like painting and doing art for like fourteen years until I was in college and so for most of my life I only thought of are in the very not unlike narrow sense of visual are especially like traditional fine art and I think it it wasn't until a few years ago when I was in S._F. Moma and they had that in so that they had that kind of top floor with like sounds sound yeah I went to the BR brilliant <hes> and that was when I realized like why people get so because like people get emotional over and like like vigilar but people get it's so emotional about music and sound and didn't understand until I went to that exhibit and I realize it's because they lurlene moves you like alertly goes through you and and like the sound waves moves through and I thought that was really powerful and also <hes> recently <hes> I been really appreciating film and kind of like Film Cinematography and the storytelling as an art yeah. You know what I'm GonNa. Give it plugged. Stacy's pick from last <hes> episode is the Anima <hes> by Thom Tom York that film like fifteen minutes of pure genius. I mean amazing music but also it has those just visual just beauty. I I don't even it's hard to describe hi. How amazing it is so. I think that is just how Shirley was talking to my dot came right to mind yup. The cinematography is pretty amazing. Just everything about the memory audie movement movement as art like moving through space at yeah totally with your body like that in and of itself as art. I think for me I think of just maybe the visual aspects of art. I'm more leaning towards modern art and then I've always been in huge. Fan of Graffiti Street art obviously tattoos photography as well or me like does kind of relate to it surely said about storytelling. I have like a huge blake appreciation for animation not just in like animation of <hes> movies. They're they're animated like Pixar movies but also like you X. For animation like bringing like little subtle things to life I think that is an art form in and of itself like to take something that's very static static and give it a little life and like stuff and also maybe another plug to Shirley's data visualization. I think it takes a lot of creativity to uh no wait you almost said color almost cheers data visualization takes incredible edible now creativity to turn data which if you just look at the value might. I really see anything but there is a story like people who do data visualization like it's like they can tell a story like with that data. which I think is really really fascinating? Yeah I think when it stands on its own if you just look at it like this is really cool art and then as further as you dig in. There's is this layer of like Oh. There's a reason for this look and feel like eliciting an emotional response as as opposed to like looking at a spreadsheet of data here like numbers could be Mars. Would you like to add for art hurt. I don't know I feel like I was kind of struggling when you first asked the question because I was like what really <hes> for me art is very emotional response and I think hearing you guys talk about it's like their expert like forms that are very exponential abou the experience of being there and kind of taking it all in like music for example and then there's stuff. That's kind kind of like more static like fine art. I mean there's an experience there but it's a little bit different for me. I actually really really enjoy architecture and that's not something that I really thought of is art hard for a long time and creative so architecture and interior design and things that are about creating spaces for people to either you you know help them be creative for example like roundings around us. I don't think we realize have an effect on how we feel and what we do and sometimes depending on the building large scale to to that it can be like a very zen full moment <hes> I mean now. There's all spectrums scale going some very cluttered or something very minimal but I think that's so it's really cool and buildings and they're also they're a really great representation of their time. You know you can't tear them down very easily and so it's really some of the architecture of experiences like like one architecturally. I want to do it this way and this is the only way and that's always really interesting to see their vision. Come to life you know as a translated from paper to three D so those were I was not surprised. Prize's pick that either context. Both my parents were architects growing up but I don't think I realized that it's like an apparently in my genetic. Ota Talk about to make like really dumb joke about like Oh. That's what you're doing. Computers Doctor Now that does actually transitioned into to so at this point like we're architect experiences architecture architect in a different form of the verb but we are making experiences and we're we're trying to elicit responses from I users whether they'd be emotional or functional and that's what's really interesting about you. Ex Design I think so talking leading into the code aspect of art which I think there is is an art form in many ways around code. I'm curious. How would you define if art is generated by a computer so that's a super interesting question <hes> and in the sense that I think the most straightforward answer is like computer generated are is when some part of that process of like creating means. Something is like you had to write code for or I feel like that's the simplest answer but I actually am thinking of like I'm. I'm really bad at names so I can't remember the artist artists but the artists like of the fifties that they drew things that were gorgeous because they looked like they were computer generated raided or machine generated but they did it by hand. This is a little bit tangential in off topic. I'm but like I think it's such an interesting look like a because there are now I see friends that do generative art the art inspired by those artists that kind of did those art the pieces that look like computer like you know they're like grids of like like really really straight minds and their grids or or they're like certain patterns that it looked like he might have coded them but they did them before computers. Were like a like a commonplace thing and I now have friends that are inspired by those artworks. I'm nine and trying to generate them digital or byte computer. That's really cool and I'm curious to like anything like that. You said Code that there's some form of code but then as you're talking I'm like well. Some of this could be done through illustrator full row shop and is that computer generated actually would argue the like when I think of computer generated art. I think there's two things one what truly said which is like I think computer assisted art like it's it's a creative idea that you use digital tools to produce and and then I guess the most obvious thing for me that comes to computer generated art. It's sort of like all this A._I. Art That's been that's been happening now like jet like generating art based on previous previous examples as opposed to have an idea. I need to use a computer to do this like freckle. Art For example is not as computer generated but it's more the I- The idea behind what ends up being the art at the end is still comes from human. I don't know that's the separation in my mind whereas the A._I. Generated the the idea of the final idea is kind of comes from computer incense yeah. I actually have made that distinction that mark bars. You mentioned like it's pretty interesting because when I think of computer generated I <unk> I sometimes maybe it's because I work at twitch now. I don't know I think of how some games there's this concept of procedural generated levels so that's like kind of becoming a more popular thing. There is is a game that Kinda failed but it's okay. It's kind of a medium now but like one big thing was a game called no man's sky and a huge selling point of it is he would navigate the gate to these worlds and the world's are totally procedurally generated so as you go through the world it just gets generated like that and it's like it's dynamically generated by the a air computer or whatever like helps because it's like you don't have to save like these pre generated levels like you're just it's a different experience for it'd be like many many permutations. I have. I'm not qualified to like. I don't even know how it works but yeah so so. That's what I think of but it's a very interesting interesting being topic and I wanNA <unk> at Games are to the Games are beautiful her pieces the Waldo ones once the generated stuff is interesting. I think when I thought of that phrase it makes me think of I think what kind of a few even mentioned already where there's the human aspect of. Maybe you write some code or you write a functionary right and even an algorithm to do something but maybe the generation part is is like the unexpected piece of it like I like that you wrote the code intentionally and output of visual design but maybe there's like the unintended consequence of like a bug you wrote but it turned out beautiful sue. I actually make a distinction between generative art and data driven art in the sense that in my mind like I knew of a a lot of people that call themselves generative artists in that they've there are is driven by randomness or by I'm in so that part is kind of like the Suan Deputy of whatever the machine gives you whereas like data driven are is is kind of I do more data are and that's like you you get a data set and you like like you know. Matt certain parameters to certain like aesthetics and I'm GonNa say color right now because we haven't shot. I just realized from this conversation nations. I have a very narrow definition of computer generated art because in my head just the generative art the has the randomness but I actually wanted to ask a question because I think there was a few months ago where there was an auction and it was a and it was the first piece of art the got sold that was generated by Mr deep learning on it. Yeah it was a one hundred percent driven that like somebody had taken the open source code and then they had generated this thing completely and then sold for like a quarter million or some four hundred thirty two thousand and five hundred dollars. You know that neither follow does that mean like do not want and it's back in the chair. That's what I did when I saw it. I don't look it up and my first reaction was that is terrifying and it's like something out of my dream. There's no for that much because yeah because it was the first piece like it's the first ever on human nine men art that got put for Auction and I just wanted to ask about your opinions of like. Does that qualify as art for you because I have a certain opinion. I think it does in the sense especially when we got back to the defining computer generated art is I mean someone had to program it. So the whole point of a is it starts to take mine line of its own. I guess in in a sense but it I would think it's art. It's generated from it and then going back to your point. The randomize ation side of things as I think that to me is always stood out as one where I think balances the input of a artist his there is someone thinking about what's the color cheers shares. They're thinking of these various inputs that go into what the output me look like even if it's a bit randomized whether it be sizes tapes what I just mentioned the key word is like you put in all these factors that and then have some sorta code that spits it out on the canvas or whatever you're building this on. I think of someone like Joshua. Davis's work is very very on key on this for the sense that he code certain things and then inputs a lot of data data like what colors and shapes etc cheers. I'm not trying to avoid it. There's an artist behind it but there's also a computer. January versus the I drew this and illustrator. I guess that's computer-generated essentially but it feels a little less relying on on the computer to generate the final. Oh this is part of it is really interesting because like if we take the computer generated art and we spit out what is the first auction generated good piece of art. What it seems to me is like in other forms of art that we've talked about like music and architecture and games and stuff? There's a kind of a step of refinement after what the Computer Peter Creates and I don't know if here there is a step of refinement after the a part and I wonder like what part should the human be involved in a it. Where do you lose the creativity part of the humans involved only at the beginning and maybe that's like to Shirley's question like is it still art if what ended. There's no human inter her refinement after what the computer gave you care. I'd be curious to know I think it goes back to though is I think if you're heavily have this input into it and then you're relying on the output. I think that's okay but there's some creativity going into the input. That basically helps generate. What's coming out of it. I think that's okay but I'm curious. Whatever and all things I mean this is very this is like a more of a philosophical question of like. What is art just going to say that yeah like? Would you define because if if you were not told that this was a computer that did this you just saw in a gallery you would be like Oh. That's nice. That's a terrifying painting uh-huh we should we should describe this for for people because I if I saw that it'd be like W I don't think I don't know if this is the right description because it doesn't look anything like what I'm picturing but it reminds me of the Slender Man Oh okay. I'm that live from where I am. I am not. I guess it's this doesn't look anything thing like what the slender man care. It's a bit like the aesthetic of the painting reminds me of that terrifying. Was it a game. It was a game yeah yeah. I don't like it but listen a very strong emotional response from all of us. You know it isn't that what are supposed to do. Love it or hate it. You gotta reaction that could be it can't make you comfortable or uncomfortable yeah and the end of the day. It is eliciting conversation. There's yeah that's true is it are. GonNa have to go with. Yes I think so what most of except as the definition of art I think that is these are in the sense that I'm like you. That's based off of like whatever thousands of hundreds of thousands of <hes> you know actual arts and that was kind of like what I learned on and that's why it generated in the sense like I think that's actually quite pointed because because like for thousands of years are an artists are like a lot of artists are actually like mimicking others are being inspired by others or taking in while others have done and in that sense the machine has taken in what others have done just that other humans have done and I'm sure is sometime soon to be at what other machines have done and in some ways. There's like a parallel there personally maybe maybe I'm just like concern and for my own survival as a wannabe artist but personally. I don't like that as art because I think to me. My personal definition of is that I think like what Maher said. I'm that there is a human touch to like what Ryan said like. There is somewhere along the way that a person like this. There's and it's that they decided what the inputs are. They decided on what refinements <hes> should be like that the the machine is just a tool to get to help with the creativity whereas I think with that piece it was that like somebody La- religious like like got the code and ran it and then generate something like there was no not like I might I might not be speaking the truth but like that was my understanding for that piece uh yeah I think it's like missing that little bit of a human factor that goes into it. Okay that's fair or even what we were talking about before like some are has a story worry behind it. There's some storytelling factor yeah. The story is a computer generated it. Oh color uh-huh computers said so. We've also talked about software and computer. I think of some of the software obviously adobe be creative. Suite comes to mind is really helps. Artists create art work on the computer but I'm also curious. There's a lot of amazing libraries out there for Java prescriptive unlike we talk a lot about dropping script on this podcast but there's a lot of great libraries that really can help with data visualization with everything that aren't related and I'm curious. What kind of tools do you guys come across that are helpful or even find interesting. You'd want to be leveraging in something. You're creating for artwork piece. One of the things things that I excited me about the web and the possibilities of doing artwork in it was flash like way back and and that that to me was like it opened up this amazing door to like <hes> drawing all sorts of very complicated things or animating things that that was this is quite difficult without it and that was like a early tool that was that really opened up creativity on the web and like you saw this huge explosion of <hes> beautiful artwork being put out with it. I started out doing a lot of flash in a lot of it was because I wanted to do more design but then when I started applying the code that's what really was blowing here is I can actually get things to move and do animates just by writing code not having to let go in there with tweaking on the time. I'm line and everything so I I I agree with you. Stacey flashes a pretty cool tool. Maybe not as much now no yeah definitely more of a historical marker of or what I see presently i. I think a lot of it's it's interesting because I feel like there are javascript libraries to our for designers and artists and then there's like are libraries that help you make art for software developers of that makes sense <hes>. No I think the plug and play a little bit easier. This is a library I bere- that you still have to do a lot of input and coding behind the scenes to actually get it to work. Yeah Sue I think one of the ones I hear the most often for like when artists or designers want to get into coating is like the one that gets recommended the most processing and then the job script equivalent of that. It's P. Five s which is actually quite exciting because I feel like they're ah that foundation is kind of expanding on that like processing Jay and they now have I think Emma five yeah which is their whole goal is to make machine learning more accessible to artists. I think that's so cool. Yeah and p five is really cool. I have played with it a few times. I don't know if I've done anything groundbreaking groundbreaking with it but it was really impressed with it. You can build things really fast with it makes like it makes generative art and so I've never really I played with it but I have a lot of friends that I'm using a lot in my impression is that it makes I'm John. One Generative Art Easy End Second like animation really easy like basically basically animated generative art so processing and then personally the thing. I use the most before getting to this point. It was like d three but it's not necessarily that d three R d three just helped me like calculate all of like all of that gnarly like things for data things things but I think it's we don't even need to talk about javascript libraries. I think the web itself is so like you don't need all the script Fiji. You don't just know can just make S._V._G. Three D. Shapes and you can like make Smiley faces. You can make art would just S._v._G. Ensue just understanding US V._G._A. Think so powerful to making are on the web and then there's canvas which you do Kajol the script for Vanilla Javascript and then recently I've been getting more and more into the and Web Gio because it just allows allows me so much more power in terms of like hell to caller that one was unavoidable kind of just like I think it's helped me make things that I've always wanted to make in the web possible that I didn't know I could do. I was wanted to make make watercolor sort of folks in the web. I'm and I didn't know that was possible blonde to. I found love G._L. Shares so that's the thing I'm most excited about recently web. Jill shooters are really cool. It's not something I've done a lot with. I've just seen some impressive work done with the she described describes. Schader like what does that even saying like the water colors. It would be literally literally. It looks like it was done in watercolor. It just adds that texture taking a color. I feel like a watercolor cheers to kind of trot onto that. I think that the that I'm really excited about it is. I'm the mental shift that happened when I went from kind of like S._V._G. To what jail is with US Fiji when you create a shape the way that you fill it is you usually can but easiest easiest way to Philly. It's just by color you color the shape and maybe cheers cheers. Song Jenner honor to choose read a pattern now. I'm just going to be like really I can create a pattern in and fill that hole shape with it. I'm and the the mental shift that happened when I started learning Web Gio. Is that the way I can think about it. Is I create an an object or a shape and instead of having to instead of only being able to fill that shape with just one color. I have access access to. I'm just trying to sort of have only having access to that. Whole shape you have access is too. I think of it as like Pixel so like if you have like a ten by ten object or or squares you have access to every single pixel because Jio uses the G._p._U. and so you can calculate pixel by Pixel what the Phil should be and so you can make effects like <unk> gradients and that's how you can make effects like watercolor because it's it's you you calculate pixel by Pixel and you can use things like noise as an. I'm rambling. You know this is fascinating. Purloin noise is another one that always comes to mind when I think this is fascinating because a lot of times our creativity is limited by the the tools. We know exists. I don't even know if you could do something like what you're saying. You have access to all of the Pixel. They wouldn't even occur to you to try. It blew my mind. When a Su- I I I decided I wanted to try three was because I have made it a goal to do. I wanted to do a physical installation and <hes> I I kind of want to touch back on the architecture part a little bit because <hes> I totally agree with you about like spaces having character and and <hes> being able to immerse in a space that makes you feel a certain way but I'm Su- I started doing three G._S. Because I wanted to be able to think in the third dimension and and what I didn't expect and like what blew my mind was realizing that not only do I get to think in Three D. more <hes> I can actually think about an object Pixel by Pixel and filling in Pixel by Pixel and I can make the facts that I've always wanted to 'cause. I grew up doing watercolor painting very very cool constraints in the medium. That's a really good point. If you're limited than it's sort of like with any art form there are constraints within each medium idiom and so by pushing it and then opening doors to like the thing that takes the constraint away and like what what a creativity does that expand and upon. I want to have one more thing to that about constraints which is on. I met an artist who linked me to this article and again. I'm horrible with names but some famous person one said about like like I am and are you know whether our will be taken over by a and whether you know there will be no more artists all of that exists central crab from the Horse's mouth yeah but I I thought that person has such a beautiful an answer to that. which is that we as human beings in our <unk> our fuel emotional ball art or inspired by our or are moved by art because we know that it's human beings on the other side ride pushing constraints that they the most beautiful art we come across? Is that somebody in artists. Human artists pushed past boundary that we previously I thought nobody can push past and went beyond that increases something I'm so be they broke through that constrain and I thought that was a really beautiful. Ah Yeah that's another. I don't want computer is taking over my future so you don't WanNa movie like Terminator but where they make art I mean I'd rather that I mean come on. That's a lot better than the alternative in over my job just not my life. It starts going to museums like that's what artists fear the I guess on that note especially Shirley doing a lot of art. What kind of advice would you give other engineers or artists that are wanting learning to do something with computer to make computer art play right like that's a that's the that was the beginning of the web for me play. I didn't necessarily surly note I was doing. I didn't have any take a class at is just like what does this do. What does this do. What if I apply this property. What does that was a fun one to play with yeah and you can you got all these like unexpected results sometimes expected sometimes unexpected and that was like the beauty and super it was so fun and I loved it and that's what really like inspired me to keep going and I think that's a huge piece of advice is just like just jump in and play yeah especially for like Web G._l. In Three G._S. I I also so played around with it and I will say the learning curve is like pretty high but there are a lot of tools now actually three this pick a few episodes ago three. G._S. has as an editor. That's like kind of a good week three dot org slash editor and it's a it's really a it's incredible. It's basically if you're familiar with blender or those three D. tools he can essentially create it with your mouse very easily and it's a progressive web. APPs crazy so cool that is actually it's mind blowing that they created that so well. This may not be advice from someone who does a little generated art but <hes>. I think that one of the things that for me is always super. Intimidating is just like a lot of the stuff that I love and appreciate it as always the finished product and never realizing that there's a whole process behind that and for me I like to play. They didn't get there overnight right. That's all you're seeing. <hes> constantly have to remind myself. It's like either when creating something that I consider to be art or even just starting on a new product like there's there is a learning learning curve but you have to enjoy that in addition to like what is it the end <hes> and sort of just remembering that there's a lot that goes into what you end up seeing on the on on the physical or digital campus and that's my advice to myself and everybody else to ten thousand hours thing. s people that you see that are amazing. Racing didn't get there with like you're looking at. There are repeating like damn. They're amazing yeah but there's also a lot of work to get to that point. Yeah my friend my friend. Stephen is amazing artist but he draws every single day nonstop at all times like he'll just be hanging out with you and just be like sketching on the side like always practicing always trying to get better so one of my teachers in school actually just like totally reminded me. Stacey so you saying that he used to draw for DC comment he would wake up every morning at four A._M. And draw for a few hours just every single day he and he was amazing e- mastered the skill like he definitely did but he didn't stop it was like he just kept going. This is probably to this day still waking picking up at four A._M. And that's his routine of constantly doing this which is like super super impressive and same thing for the Tattoo artist. It's doing a lot of work on on me right now. He wakes up every morning at five A._M. And draws and plans out what he's working on and things like that and I think to me. Maybe it is just that gripped to continue going in. I and try new things and knowing that yeah it's not always perfect because you will continue to learn and grow from it. I mean that I'm just going to say as a late night person. I'm mm-hmm that the hopefully the four A._M. Five A._M. parts of the advice. It's like yeah no nobody could also on the other end these two examples they. They're going to be crashing early because what works best for them. I think they've obviously found that early. Morning works best for them and to to be honest. I think I used to be the late night person. Now I find I'm actually more productive early in the morning so I think that may change over time but knowing when you're most productive that's a good time to do do it or most creative to it might be over a bottle of whisky that might help. I mean it could really help and that's okay. I'm really glad that Maher swamp I because then I and I now I know what to say. which is which is that like? I think you're absolutely right in the sense that like it's so helpful. I really really enjoy those accounts that post their daily sketches or daily doodles. I've been following <hes> some instagram accounts daily jail cheaters and you can just see that it's just like a tiny bite size pieces of them like practicing their craft and this is just like you said like this is almost advice for myself because I've been like going through a lot of insecurity in the sense that like I think when I grew up doing art I did that almost every day and so I like had a certain amount out of technical skill and then when I went for like eight or nine years not painting and not drawing on the daily I lost they don't and I'm in then when I every time I tried to get back into it. I'm just faster code than it was to draw like it was so much more satisfying fine to his code than it was to draw and for a while I thought it would just that I now suck at drawing or an eye. Now suck up pinning but it's really just that I lost that daily practice and now l. My daily practice is just a coating that I have to continuously remind myself because I'm just so hard on myself to be like whatever like probably because of what we see every day of like the finished product. I'm like if my first attempt doesn't look like a finished product. I'm a failure what I'm trying to remind myself. I self of this last year of trying to our is that the beauty about art is that there shouldn't be an expectation that there's so I think of like data visualization versus data or data visualization is that it's you need to deliver something that like <hes> is accurate that like you know people are going to be able to get insights insights from it and that's actionable and so if you're inaccurate that's misleading and that's not something you can do but with data needs to be pretty. It just needs to make you happy you. You can just do whatever makes you happy like if you want art. That makes you miserable like sure like do that to. Maybe that makes that person happy yeah but it's like there's there's not supposed to be any like what art should be. Do you do whatever makes you happy you. Do you think that's some good advice color outside here at the end of each episode. We like to share picks of things that we've found interesting and would like to share with our listeners stacey. You want to start off. Yes all right so I have. I have three picks. Hopefully this isn't too many. I've never overdone three before I was so inspired by what actually lasts up soda I counted three for you just because you talked about the album of Anima and then also so the film and that's two different and two very good pick and also shockingly not doing a music pick this. I think that might be talk. Coloring outside alright so I pick is an artist called Simon Stalin Hog. Uh hopefully in process right <hes> Swedish artist he does digital paintings focused on stereotypical Swedish countryside environments but then he combines neo a futuristic sort of like Saifi stuff into it very fascinating <hes> and he uses a walker tablet and he tried to emulate kind of real brush strokes <unk> as he as much as he can to give the human element or make it feel like it has a human element out. His stuff is fantastic. I A lot of my wallpapers from my work computer. Are That my second pick. Is You mentioned Joshua Davis earlier so oh. That's my my second pick. In the late nineties early. Two thousands came across the site called once upon a forest. Oh so good and he is by an artist called Maruto Utah which was basically like his pseudo name or whatever that he was going by but it was built in flash is incredibly innovative at the time it blew my mind <hes> and it was generative art so he wrote <hes> a lot of the C- I'll read this actually because if you right click view source says I program the brushes the paints strokes the rules and the boundaries however however it is the machine that creates the compositions the programs draw themselves. I'm in a constant state of surprise and discovery because the program may structure compositions and I may never have thought of to execute acute or might take me our secrete manually which I thought was really fascinating so check that out it's kind of like a historical marker of like like art on the web and then <hes> pick three is John Schiffer <hes> you might know her just from some kind of some of her really funny medium blog posts about tech she <hes> she is <hes> works at <hes> glitch doing a lot of cool stuff there there <hes> but she makes. Pixel art and she's got a whole site that she critic called eight Bit Art Dot Com which is really fun so she does a lot of really cool stuff and I like that. It's just art and code kind of combine can literally color in the individual pixels. That's pretty cool cheers all right for us. Oh Man I have two one is an Oldie but a goodie <hes> a single dave we were talking earlier about sort of different tools that exist on the web that are allow for creativity and I think that's actually really powerful when these days with some of the new language features so that's a really really good for anyone who hasn't heard of it before. It's just you know they take a literally a single. Dave and then they program all of these cool. Little Illustrations Purely Liam C._S._S. My second one is actually at some relevant to the conversation and it's more like raising awareness for other people out there who might have this. It's called Fantasia Tak- and I wanNA bring it up because I just found out I had this. I didn't even know was condition but I always thought it limited creativity and it's basically when your mind is blind and so you are unable to voluntarily visualize imagery and for a lot of times I I always think that art you have an idea in your head. You have a picture in your head and you can put doc to some sort of physical form and without the ability to create that picture. How do you create and I think that's actually really fascinating now that I know that this is a personal limitation mutation as well as like a limitation for other people out there so that's always a really interesting conversation like how do you create when you can't see anything or create in your mind first and then put it to to you know metaphorical paper few research other like a fulltime artists that actually have this but still are able to <hes> output. I haven't really yet this is so new. This is like when I found this. I thought it was mind blowing. I was like this is a thing. No wonder when you meditate people tell you to visualize a beat yeah. Well I mean that was one of the most frustrating context I've encountered in as well as other parts of my life but knowing knowing that it's there is really interesting getting into begin to talk to people who also have it in like how do you compensate for it in different ways in your life and programming and stuff like that anyway so just bringing it up and get the new now. There's like Oh yeah. I don't have a mind invite years starting to pay attention to that type of stuff surely already have for us yeah so I think I always bring three because says I just don't get that much like I take all of my rights so the very first one I have is actually an eye cheap because because I think my second one is like three different people so that's like sex semi. I is a tokyo-based. I don't even know what they call themselves but a creative agency. I don't know what they're called team lab. I think they're pretty internationally. Salihi recognized now but <hes> how do even describe them. They are a lot of their work is kind of like installations immersive interactive interactive installations and so this goes back a little bit to what Mars was talking about about architecture and <hes> and <hes> they're they're the reason why I became so enthralled with physical installations but they have this particular piece they have a lot of different exhibits and installations but they had this particular piece called Krystal universe and if I break it down and the driest technological way is that it's strings and strains trains like vertical strings of l._e._D.'s and they're all programs such that they look like stars in a universe. I'm time and it's this room that you walk into and when you're in the middle of it I'm you can pull up their website and <hes> they have all of these quote unquote different like six or seven quote unquote different universes that you can like click and swipe up and that generates a bunch of different patterns and you feel like you're in the middle of space and there's these lights going off around you it was. I think that was it was a moment I was like. I didn't know that human creativity could be so like that took place yeah and then it was so funny because I went back there with noddy and nobody around us realize that there was like this this lake you I that you can control the the lights and the patterns and so we're like standing the middle just like controlling it and then like every time we put something up new everybody else around those. WHOA Ooh and it was like Oh my God if I ever boobs in the divine individual this loose be what they feel like. Let's my first Reich. I'm I know that they had a temporary exacerbate in the pace gallery and Paul to like a few years ago but they have like a few different permanent exhibits as well as like a few really incredible temporary ones. I'm there's two in Tokyo right now until the Tokyo Olympics I'm and and if you ever are in a you know city that has their exhibit I highly it was mind blowing and life changing and like I I I just WanNa go and do what they do now <hes> because I feel like their work just like not only. Is it something it's so powerful to have an artwork. Immerse Yuba also bring people together in this like shared joy. That was a really long I bake and the Second Paik. I'm is <hes> a bunch of people. I'm that really inspire me. I'm in terms of creative code. I'm in the first person is <hes>. Her name is Misaki Nagano. I'm and she's at M. I. S. A. K. I underscore Guar M. O. F. U. on twitter and she doesn't post the author but whenever she does like always just blows my mind and it's it's a she does primarily gio and she's she. She's part of the reason why I got into because I was like Oh. I didn't know you could do like all of that and now that I understand a little bit about the Jason Webster. Sto like is still blows my mind what she does so she's my first person person pick and <hes> second person is Matt Delory Air. I think her his last name <hes> his handlers. I think at Matt underscored the E._S. L. on twitter <hes> he <hes> is another like incredible generative artists webs yelled like super inspiring being in the final person is a tyler hobbies. I'm and I think his most most of his work is all over on instagram and he's here's another brilliant generated artists that I get a lot of inspiration from okay now third by pick your seventy eighteenth pick I. I don't know when you're gonNA bite me back. I don't know whether I can come back here so I'm just cram it. All and final Paik is is I'm Matt's friend Master's workshop on creative coding basically I learned everything like like I learned everything to start three G._S. and web show from that and then after that it was just I think a lot of googling but I think it's set meow really well <hes> to learn because because like like Augusta said like there's a certain amount of learning curve for three G._S._M. Web jail and it's it's a little bit of a mind shift from our today for encoding <hes> and I think Matt did quite a good job of setting up an introducing us to that. That's my seventeen awesome. Only five every pick colorful man cheers in Augusta for US great question. Yeah I have two picks. One is <hes> somebody named bees and bombs. I believe his name is Dave. He has a twitter account and he also posts like he's cute shifts of like when I think of generative art I think I just immediately thought of him so just check it out. These are oddly satisfying very satisfying. Mesmerizing is how I would describe it perfect loops although there are also oh cool and you can get the perfect loops those make me very happy yeah and then my second pick is this framework library called Z dog which she <hes> and the website is easy dot dog house like wow this is. This is like a really gimmicky framework. What is it and it's actually like like a three D library but they use S._P._g. And Canvas and so I kind of was looking for three D. libraries and I landed on three but I was looking for more and this one one came up and it's a lot simpler so if you just needed to do very simple art I think this is like a pretty good candidate so maybe check a link with the cool name like that to try it. It's love that some of the examples are Z._Z. Dog that's one of their websites great yeah and also just like like looking at this. I'm like boy. Do I do what I do. Why can't I why don't I just go and be Kirby all right I have. I don't even know how many picks I have. I feel like I need to have more. One twenty. Seven was definitely stolen by stacy since I it's okay because I was thinking for this episode. Joshua Davis just always comes to mind when I think of computer generated art but I'll let stacey that one you should definitely go check out his artwork and then I thought of hey while we're also drinking some good whiskey good pick for some creative creative. Juices ideas generate some nice ideas. We're drinking Japanese whiskey the Nika a cafe green whiskey really delicious so I'm GonNa take my picture. That's one of my favorite Japanese whiskies and then there's an APP if you're her giving a conference talk or giving any sort of talk where you want to avoid the the ause the filler words there's an APP called like so and it's a good way to practice you actually record yourself as you're talking and it will count your filler words and let you know of all I it's. It's socks in the sense that you will you get that feedback but it also really can help because it like helps identify these four you which partly getting better at is just being more aware of your filler words so definitely recommend that one if you're wanting to the void those damn and so before we end the episode. I WANNA thank surely for joining us. It is always a pleasure to have you back. I I look forward to the stream of picks that you will save for the next episode so that would be really good all the more reason to have you back. It's positively correlated to how long it takes for you to invite me back. ooh ooh if it's a really long time. It might be seventeen area. Okay you invite me back next month. They will just be like to ah where can people get in touch with you. I thank you so much again for having me back. It's always Super Fun. I've been looking forward to this <hes>. I've been counting down the days I have and that you and whiskey if you WANNA put like some some. I'm like you know like <hes> well. I guess we don't use cash these days so if you WANNA use cash digital bitcoin Bitcoin I pay you in a computer generated artwork that costs four hundred dollars before that Mars <music> but it's always such a good time so a- all of my handles on the web are <hes> at s x y w you on twitter my personal website dot com <hes> instagram. I used to have a twitch and Youtube too. I'm I'm thinking about bringing it back. I keep telling myself oh bringing it back. It's fun to live coat but also so life is just really hectic can't type when it's live. Oh yeah stressful over that in life thirty minutes though not yeah drink some whisky. It'll be okay beer and that was not a good choice from I'm surely not no thank you all for listening. Today's episode make sure to subscribe to Front End Happier podcasts. 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