Best of 2019: Brian Mackenzie and Rob Wilson
The mind is the KENO senses. The breakfast came a mile bike. It is a profound statement that most people is like what decrees back podcast. My name is on the line during today. You're never really interesting. Discussions Rob Wilson Brian. Mackenzie who are running now seminar by that name and I've I've known Brian for many years or ten years. Not least author of you know I knew when I started crossing endurance. He's Yaw through unbreakable. Runner is that right. Yeah Unbreakable runner power speed and earns the last one was. We did a podcast about unless yes we did. It was awesome like you were at the vanguard of the unplugged movement thought speaking about it with regard to trade but like I'm seeing more and more information pop up about. Yeah getting unplugged from your iphone but will ironically. That's I think the importance of what it is. We're here to kind of really talk about and wooden and something that is you know which you'll totally get and understand based you know. I can't wait to get back to that okay so So Brian Comes from. That's kind of Endurance strength conditioning. Cross it you know just like all around human developer and ROB has education but he calls manual therapy. I'm curious what that is as opposed to nonmeal while so manual therapy means specifically that I using my hands to manipulate the in Bhai. It will so Sasha's nicer therapist exactly ORF as opposed to like a psychotherapist or just if they they are they're they're in trouble but even like physical therapist not all use manual therapy techniques so might be more exercise instructive whereas mine was spoke. Like civically. Leon yeah using the hands very cool okay. And he's got a background man after my own Passions Jikun Joe Judo Movie Tie kyw. I don't even know what that word is in Cali so my experience with movie tie was are still the Jews in Thailand and of course that national champion happens to be a tiny seal. We're trading right. Wants the reciprocate so we all are Allies in the gym where this guy basically getting beat up yes and getting our legs chopped up. I felt like someone took like a machete sheds legs strengthening some of my most. That's like my most formative. It's like getting hit with a baseball bat over Baseball Baseball Bat. You can't believe that a human being can hit that hard especially one that small right. Yeah so I know like our Moi ties or master who is Chai Hi sir. Suit brought Thai boxing to the states when he would come seminar he would kick the banana bag and he couldn't have been much taller than like five four. Is that the bank bananas. You know what is it seemed like if you might never mortgage. I'd never inquired but now I'm curious. I didn't feel like bananas when I kick checked. But it started when he when he hid the he would kick this thing and it would basically fold around his shin. Wow that was your ticketed if it did not just stare back all right. Good try again Yeah so it was a it was a really good number. You know Mike Practice go do radio we got a black then. One of our practices was basically slapping. Our you're hitting really hard are forearms and our shins and the idea was was that you're creating all these little micro breaks in the bones and then that was those he'll like with all cement would come in and fill up the cracks and then he knew it again and they break again. The cement come so we started like lily breaking their bones in their humor. Not Femur the Tibia Ghia over and over and over and over literally almost every time they practice until you have these dumps right treetrunks yeah you might my co-writer on power. Speed endurance was a big tigers spent years in Thailand fighting and he was his shins. Were like steel. It was just you know I've always had the same. You don't like Karate Chopper Karate Guy He don't do Ju Jitsu wickets Jaakko and you don't like try to kick but we try not have been but what you do is they're coming at you. Just poke him in the eye. The strategy exactly what. They're not exact. That's having a plan all right off on that but it's all connected to bracket owner everything back. The breath ev. Large Movement Endurance Sta bodies. The bodies number number one goal is respiration bright. That's it that's a great way to say it. You know I would. I would say the other ways like if you were considering a fuelling yourself. Like most people think of macronutrients maybe micronutrients but really do they think of water and oxygen Friday the primer fuel. Your body uses oxygen. I used to give a lecture at the cross endurance stuff because we talk about nutrition and I would say so. Here's the hierarchy in it'd be like oxygen hydration right then a nutrition and then everything else kind of fell in line and we would talk about nutrition. That was the nutrition lecture. But I didn't at the time was not connecting will will what's been. How do we get more efficient or better at using that oxygen molecule and the average person when that when they look at the hierarchy the at the top it's smoke and then alcoholic coffee? hydration and the big Mac and the Mac lakes the a Netflix. Yeah Yeah entertain myself or we could change those four things in general populous standpoint. Absolutely but I mean you you look but if you do this was the interesting thing the big the most interesting and it all started you know it starts with me or it starts with rob but even at the most elite levels what in any sport we were seeing major discrepancy you had a gold medal great but like we still were picking up discrepancies and respiration. What was going on? What we you know we think is going on or how we think we're using oxygen? I think that goes really back to. I mean he'll understand. This is your yoga background. Like what is Yoga. What's the foundation? Yoga breath Dhamma Bone I. What does that mean rob stunned one? Hell Rob's broken that. Were down quite well into a language I think we all understand. Yes so like when you look at ancient practice like prom. A- It literally means Energy Control Yama means my poor control restraint in Pronto yet. Means lifeforce or breath right they're synonymous terms and if you look at it from the perspective of the Yoga Culture being a a storytelling culture. This romantic nature does not by our standard of scientific culture. But that doesn't mean they don't have empirical knowledge. That's valid right so if we translate that into a Western scientific language energy literally means how we produce work right and breath is Absolutely the epicenter of our body deals with all of our energetic requirements Both physiologically and psychologically it's not it's the absolute hub in the center of the wheel. There's no denying it if you understand human physiology at all so when you look at how many layers of understanding in those ancient people may have had because they spent so much time with it that perhaps when they said energy control. It wasn't as this woo woo as we might think. Maybe it wasn't as esoteric in the more. I studied this stuff the more I realize that a lot of those words are rules. AFAM their heuristic for behavioral paths like Energy Control. Like how efficient are you with your body your movement your attention your intention engine and those are all completely linked together and breath is at the center of that because the only limiters for breath control are nearly dead and dead dead Unless you have severe neurological impairment or or you get awareness or awareness but everybody has access to it right all right so there's nobody you can say like when I I'm on my bike I don't breathe that's not true otherwise you'd be dead or another dead exactly. It started started. You back up right. You know what you said something. Interesting empirical evidence. I believe that the Yogis the receipts had empirical evidence was just subjective and so it wasn't readily observable by the by the western scientists because they didn't have the methodology to do studies ethnographic studies in depth studies. Nor did they care. Yeah I think they're all one hundred percent of glass when you talk about evidence based fitness and he was talking about objective evidence. But when I looked at that and said the evidence is the subject of evidence. How do I feel when when I do across it work out? How do I feel when I crossed it before? I started cross it or verses. After six months I can see the difference in terms of the six pack. ADDS maybe you know roots and everything else was growing looking a little bit more like a mutant which Lhota cross-fitters do these days set subject But there's really is. What's the subjective sense of self? Then the crewing resolve that training which includes you know breathing more and more effectively and moving more and more effectively Salihi stuff like that. So yeah there is evidence it was just basically certainly this massive objectives then which got collected through the stories like he said and then which was transmitted both through training in some actually exceptional writing absolutely which most westerners haven't yet addressed vast except for those who are passionate. Yeah Yeah and a lot of times. I think people are fast to throw the baby out with the bathwater but you know sort of parallel that we see in martial martial arts is There was a time when like for example traditional styles of karate when MMA came on the scene people would throw it away. Yeah like all that's not applicable in Moctar gone but now you see traditional karate style athletes very successful if they understand how to apply it in the context so all of this his context driven so you have to understand the context of the story and his application. So that you can get to the bottom of what they're talking about and then go okay. Well what culture do I I live in. And how do I apply those same lessons in the context that I find myself in. Otherwise you'll miss all the good stuff thrown away. I love this. Let's stay on Yoga for a second 'cause very passionate as you know we knew about you so tangibly in his Yoga Sutras says basically I. Here's Yoga if you're ready you'll hear what I have to say. It's profound in and of itself right because if you're not ready then you won't even understand what I'm about to say what he's saying then he goes right into yoga is about seizing. The fluctuation of the modifications education of the mind is basically about controlling the mind training retraining. The mind right and then he begins to tell you how to do it and he says I. We're GONNA a develop some basically some disciplines around how we live. Check right we gotta eat better. We're GONNA move better. We've got a challenge ourselves GonNa do these different things and then but we need to do is begin to move her body so that were less agitated and we can manage your stress check and next we take control of our breath and we'd bring the life force into our body till enliven it into further develop the mind and then the rest right everything flows from there now. These aren't necessarily linear. Even though they're explained in a linear manner they are actually all done at the same behind right and what he'll go back to later is saying you know what. Actually the breath is the path even when working working on those disciplines of movement and fueling the breath is what's going to control the physiology so that the physical level breath is everything because it's going to basically get your the body to a state where he can even be disciplined enough to do the movements and to do the further deeper work of meditation concentration yet and it makes expense. If you're if you've ever been a yeah if you're if you're a teacher of anything and you know something as simple as like how you to dress yourself. How you you know you like so my my parents were restrict my mom's real strict so it was like make your bed every morning? uh-huh keep your room really clean and there's a lot of profound was to me. It was just like Mama's woman clean house you know but there was a lot of profound lessons about me being responsible for my space and even something like that people think is sort of CS esoteric and nebulous like the Yoga Sutras. It's actually really important that you had to learn this life stuff in order because ultimately breath control at it's sort of peak expression can be very subtle title And if you're not able to do the discipline of like hey make your bed. It makes a lot more challenging But you you are doing it all at the same time. I'm but you know people's ability to sort of grasp new behavior. A lot of times happens in a linear fashion but I on the surface right but later they. Oh Oh that was there the whole time you know. I know that's happened to me repetitively regardless of what I was studying will on that same fries. B K S I ain't are the mind. Is the king senses. The breath is a king of the mind Like that is a profound statement that most people is like what but it's so attractive now to us because we look at. I look at an athlete. And so this is what most athletes I've ever dealt with are just like yeah. Yeah whatever was something like that and I'm so I WANNA get flexible because I do yoga so it could be better at my sport fortress-like yeah you're missing the point of that so we don't Yoga's been completed one hundred percent one percent and so you start to look at an an athlete and work with an athlete and you see these discrepancies. That are actually the same discrepancies that you'll see in anything. That is a fundamental like trace it back so a dysfunctional movement pattern which classmate to talk about really stems from a dysfunctional mental pattern which is linked to a dysfunctional breathing patterns which is evolving a reverse right which exactly Greece's the groove on just `functional. What being so you can reverse engineer that and start with the breath because every every thought pattern and emotional pattern has a corresponding breath patterns? So if you can engineer the breath patterns in a functional capacity that are gonNA and that'll lead to better thinking better emotional states that will lead to more movement and then those will cycle back right to more virtual cycle of you know more effective breathing. And so now you're on now you're getting somewhere on developmental path and so it's about becoming using his tool to become a more conscious participant in the direction of your own life right. It's like hey what is this behavior. I'm engaging in whether it's a sport. Behavior a mechanical behavior food related. Whatever it is? What's the what's the root of the behavior? Engaging in then is a behavior that that I want it always ends up boiling down to that ultimately what do I want and the one of the things about what do I desire Seles Menendez fiction quiz different right different. WHAT DO I? What's my actual vector lingering? What trajectory am I on? And what part am I playing right in that and the trajectory and one of the things about breath that so amazing that it never lies to you. You're physiology is absolute direct reflection of the state eight. You're in and it. It doesn't care one way or the other. It's like here I am and this is how it is and if you confront it and deal with that stuff stuff it puts you on a much better path of understanding yourself and your relationships with other people and outside of all the cool like sports ramifications locations that are around the stuff which is really cool stuff. You know one of the major benefits that I know I've seen personally and Brian has do as I'm just a better human being. I have better relationship with my loved ones and people at work with and well myself I think is where yeah ultimately. That's where it mobile homes where you said okay. Yeah and so I love any benefits but yet either but you make a blunt you know. He makes a blanket or hard statement like respiration the the absolute indicator of what's happening with energy and metabolic. And so when we start to really look at that from the Oh like that's a bold statement like what does that mean if I've got across it athlete doing something and I'm I'm watching him. huff and puff through their mouth in this from the beginning of a workout cow and knows which is something. We routinely did day Well if we actually look that metabolic way okay. Well let's test that. Let's look at that but look at that from scientific standpoint standpoint. Oh you're burning sugar. One hundred percent basically. And if I'm doing that work out after workout after work out or I'm an alternate alternate turns athlete and I'm off running long distances right but I'm supposed to be this aerobic athlete but my mouth is wide open. What am I doing? What's going on? I have no control. I'm not controlling anything. I'm not using anything so we start to move into this area of really grasping or hey we're talking about the mind in creating getting a better person will let begins with what I'm doing in any movement I'm towing right you know. And that is where the control and we see. Oh if we actually grab hold of something we're actually metabolic controlling were in control of what is happening substrate standpoint. That is a game changer. All the way around for any any sport any athlete and human being sitting on a couch like Hey oh we can get you breathing. You can't work out can't move too much great. Let's get that you breathing. We're going to get you more efficient. At using oxygen as an energy source that changes the entire entire paradigm. So I think that fits right into my brain or my head's at and what type of person I'm coming because I'm looking at it for an athlete because they're not interested in You know world over here of what we're trying to talk about being a better human being okay. Great we'll get there and other route. I'm GONNA show you with all good. I'm I'M GONNA show that's great and then all the sudden months or a year later it's like hey breath is a door like what's going on like I'm such so much more aware of what's going on in my life and it's like Yup. Yes you are this neat because I agree. I've been teaching breath to SPEC OPS cannons. And you're right. You have to up in teaching as you guys are where you have to break it down and make a very practical for most people and so it's gotta be about physiological benefits. I was GonNa make you better for the seal Kenneth Sahadi Maccabi a better warrior. And how's IT GONNA affect my strength training and my recovery. You know all that kind of stuff but then experience really very quickly. They begin to experience the arousal. Control effect the energizing effect and the mental clarity effect. Right and you can point those audits teachers just like okay. So so this is what you're going to experience after this training session when you breathe like this. And they're like him you're right. I was incredible right and then once they once they get at that then you know then they can take it to the next level the next level next level. And you know like you said Rob. It's it's an endless journey. Right is a gift. It never stops giving you know and every rabbit hole I explore. It opens up three more on like. Oh there's a whole nother sort of like microcosm here that I didn't even know that was connected to breathing right. I have time. Yeah maybe for the end of the five because we come back to some of the more esoteric aspects breath. It's obviously passionate mind. Yeah but I think most people listening. I'm like like okay guys. Attendance Rabbit Holes. I actually talked about and I hate you have some fizzy. Here's some status. It looks like like there's a couple of things and no particular order that I know some things but I really want to hear your perspective. One is like why breathe. Why libraries the nose versus the mouth was the big deal? What are DYSFUNC-? What does a dysfunctional breathing pattern? Look like versus a functional breathing pattern and also like for a broad beginner. Who just listening to this? Maybe driving their car. What's the first thing you teach people now in terms of how breathe effectively and you know where they go like what I would do a seminar? Maybe start there. And then we'll what's the first thing the rest of the stuff that will come through talking about is in the practical application. Yeah I mean I think when it comes down to brass tacks like if you are in your car listening to this just pay attention to what's happening that's the first step cap is attention. Most of take what's going on with our breathing search for granted and less. It's taken away that the simple act often times of just just beginning to pay attention to it will start to have an effect. You know. It's a it's an automatic thing that or it's I should say better like this making recommendations to each other like. Oh you're manny look stressed. I'll just take a nice deep breath like we know that that's a way and that's not a protocol okay. Take a nice deep intervention. Yeah exactly but you know if you're in your car sitting in traffic and it's going slow. Most of us are are aroused. Arousal state is getting more and more stress than more and more sympathetic. We're getting more and more wired rather than hey. This is an opportunity. I can check in just slow things down and pay attention inch and that's a easy for step without having to worry about any on a fancy protocol or anything. Just start paying attention in a love that we used to have are not used to but the three breath room heard about that you know so like I had to employ that last night hold into my community chance to get a community and I was trying to send a voice. Text wasn't on the highway. I was in my community so I thought it was going to save but I still couldn't quite figure it out all right so there were four parking spots in front of the pool and I just Kinda like pulled over parallel park like halfway in them knowing that I literally was going to be there for twenty twenty seconds and as I did that little started. Sending the voice Texan three seconds later. Get this wrapping on my window up above and it's the president in a major way and he's like barking debate does and I'm just looking. I'm like where he didn't and breathe out. I unhappy say that because I practice yes looking. I'm just looking man this someone really this guy's cat today like I'm just like looking at my mind is processing. I'm breathing everything and I'm still speaking into the voice tax and then he's like move now. I kid you not like like this is like this seventy year old guy. I'm thinking very upset dude. You're going to move on on on that news life so much going on like my twenty year old self really differently. You know what I mean. Meet me five six years ago breath but I think that the impassioned Pachauri sorry that you're feeling so bad that that is the actual importance of breath practice though it's not. Hey I'm sitting down for five or ten minutes and going going through some brawny Alma. It's the reality that you connect right and go. Oh I got this thing. I'm now in control of of what's going on. Like versus like rock reacts that doesn't react that conditioned reactor is what gives you the control back. Then you have choice again. Yeah I think from a fundamental layer. Is that every day question. How do you want to respond? Come back to the breath and that's what you're saying. There is no spoon. There's yeah there is usually the matrix. Oh right yeah right impossible to bend the spoon. Bend your remind. And that's it but I think from a fundamental layers well like and principles is basically what this is about about teaching. It's not hey wim Hof method you know some sort of crony Obama. Yes not a technique. No no we wanted. I love you know when people get excited about Wim Hof in that least. They're breathing then. I have to give him the old warning signs like okay. That's one technique and it's very very aggressive restive and depending upon who you are that might move some energy that you you already to have moved and I've observed that on Asia very large I spent I spent considerable time all okay and I've We've done a lot of work together. He spent some time with me on. You know but I've seen groups of people and things and that was one of the connections that actually spearheaded the movement that we were like Oh people. Oh there's like I'm seeing a a girl. Cry a rugby player cry. I'm seeing this guy get popped up pissed off on seeing this like I was seeing different reactions emotional reactions to this entire thing in a group setting and I'm like this isn't like we're not all reacting and we're not all getting the same thing from what this thing's doing and so there's this this energy movement going on and I'll do the physiology is doing things. The brain is set up like rod is a very different person than Brian. And who's this is very different person from mark but we can all get along and do things but emotionally there. Are Things going on. We'll just so happens. We now understand that things that Yogis Gore saying that all of this connectedness that there are actual paths that cross with emotions and respiration Adams. And so if I trigger something that you know is getting into something. I'm not prepared for it. We've got something wrong and I so I was like going from zero to hero leading doing wim. Hof is like taking someone off the couch and having them do like a five hundred upon dead left. They haven't ever lifted before you know it's like maybe you should to do some preparatory work. Yeah I asked one of my mentors is a yoga. Teacher named Gary Crafts. Go who his teacher was Chris. Macharia was was ear and goes teacher and Pataki Joyce Teacher Yoga and I asked him at a podcast. I had I had him speak at our on bill on summit like here's a job speaking in our summit really what does he got to teach us. Standbys standby it was a phenomenal presentation. But I asked him on podcast. I said you know. I've been teaching Singa box breeding and it's very very simple and safe. You know just kind of pulled pork and on Hook and people responded to do it. What do you think about that as begins practice? He goes you know what he goes. I think it's okay but if it was me very could not criticize me. Yeah but if it was me I would literally just teach them to inhale slowly an ex hill slowly through their nose with complete awareness. Ac what you just said because even for some people even the holds could be ANC causing anxiety it was like yes. I know that could point. Well like something that that I've witnessed with clients that I've had who have no extraordinary anxiety. The the clinical anxiety problems and any pause in the breath cycle date yet. Triggers letras anxiety. Is the this person in particular. told me that it felt like she was going to die as that was her sense Holding her breath refocus Breath the breath hold essentially is mimicking death. Right it's it's a you know. That's quite so profound but you have to be ready for it right. See trained a little bit for that but in the The in hell hold has the sense of an energized. Death and the suspension has a sense of relaxing in or surrendering and so that's could be terrifying for people who haven't learned to examine that. That's so which is is one of the math is so so true because I got people who think they've got the breathing down and it's like. Hey semi over. You know. We're GONNA work on some co two tables because that's what we're trying to employ a lot of different things and you start playing some guidance but you know you you've got to bring the science into it for people to one hundred percent one hundred percent and it's like thank you got somebody who thinks they've got it. Hey semi over your Amac's breath whole yeah just relax for five minutes and just hold your breath as long as you comfortably can and when it gets too stressful breathe breathe. Just tell me what that number is like thirty three seconds and it's like Whoa. That is a lie. That's you're you're stressed or Rasco like like there's some experience with your through your work. What do you think a healthy functional duration for breath? All this everyone's different. I'm not talking about navy. Seal diving breath. I'm talking about someone who's like listening to this and be like I'm curious so they at least breath hold but we we have an actual test that we're taking that we stole from a comfortable breath. Hold Right. Not whether you're getting the yeah. Yeah yes not getting contractions But we have tested. We actually stole from the free diving world on that we've now called. It's a MAC sale test they use it to set up apnea apnea tables things like that right. Well we're calling it a co two tolerance task because we've found with three fold reason for its application and and if you exhale after relaxed and it's you do a full inhale exhale as long as slow as you possibly can right and this is showing us a mechanical. How well how much control you actually have on sale and then be what's going on with? The physiology is the CO two builds. How much can can you tolerate? And then see what's going on at the mine. Where is the connection in the mind with that hi sue Tallinn's because co two is actually that reactionary thing thing that we're seeing in things where it's like if I take somebody let's have you hold your breath right here outside of water hold breath as long as you can now? Let's get in the water. I'm just GonNa hold you Marin during your hold your breath as long as you can. What do you think's GonNa happen that number? Because the mind's going to start being causes some anxiety beings is as a requirement energy the energy you can suck off and so there's this triggered this happening Kema receptors up in the brain that we're seeing with things reactionary mechanism mechanism to breathe right. So if I have somebody hold their breath for minute but they were only capable of doing it for thirty seconds. They're gonNA freak out but what's what's going to happen from physiological standpoint. They're perfectly fine Nothing is the the C O Two that triggers the Br- The yes that you called it a gags. What does the term for when you do that? That's a that's gotTa Vasil Response Response to says I need to breathe and of course the breath hold diving and sealed training. You know we learned to kind of push through the first chancellor three of those on your like you fall back into the settlers. Yeah there's actually enough oxygen your body can't hold up the new s Yup right yes causing that response the oxygen. You're actually heading your your body's actually actually starting to use up more of the oxygen. That's inside that red blood cell so it's starting versus and this is going back and extra out is the how does that. So let's talk about the science. How does that create a build up of co two because you're releasing because you're breaking the bond of the oxygen exactly case I see in anaerobic and aerobic respiration? Co Two waste products of of the use of oxygen yet and so it builds up at the longer you're without fresh oxygen the higher the level. Yes the only way to get rid the get that oxygen molecule off the Iron Air Hemoglobin. The with the iron molecule is to create an acidic environment and rat acid is carbonic acid which when co two is in the blood. It's carbonic acid. Yeah Okay and then it he byproduct of that is and the trigger for you actually three when you're in a conscious state is co two nine unconscious. There are levels what we what we started to figure out was there are levels where it becomes too so you will start to see. See you like if you watch or wife all sleeper. Your kids or anybody dogs. Like I've seen this in multiple different animals as a one the reading pattern that starts the happened when we fall asleep. And it's this and it just is all out of exhale and it pauses just hold and that gets deeper Bert and deeper and deeper to where that hold goes longer and longer and longer and boxes low to is what starts to trigger some of the breathing in our deeper stage of sleep sleep But beyond I mean this is ABC is like if you're if you're a sinuses are blocked or if you're not Block that's extreme low. Yes John Down down down then. You're like Yup Yup yes harassed and this is where kind of nose starts to play its role diving. You know what. Let's do that as a segue. I WANNA come back though. Let's just make a Mental Yorker to come back to the physiology of creating homeo- stasis through the breath In terms of the level of oxygen carbon dioxide knows plays right into the Yeah so linked. So why nostril versus the government and start. What where did this? This negative the connotation of being a freezer come from. Because I've heard that for like thirty years operator. It's not a conflict. Definitely your caveman your mouth. That means you're right. There's a lot of wisdom in that like Doumbia mouth breather totally and so I mean if you just look at it from a structural standpoint. The knows it's not that you can't can't breathe with your mouth. Obviously he can but structurally your nose is built to deal with processing air. I'm right we have. There's hair and that's their to filter out articulate so they don't go into your lungs right. Your sinuses have a lot of important responsibilities. One being mucus yes which releases t-cells into the air as it goes into your long. So if there's an antibacterial there's an anti viral humidifier the air as it goes in which lends to more successful diffusion of oxygen into the bloodstream out. Your nose is a natural at about two natural antibiotic First Line of Defense the air. It's your only I. Yeah to other than skin for skin but the air that travels into the body This is the line of Sentinel Rights. Let's get a little bunch of there's something wrong sneeze. Oh like it's reactionary. Yeah and also we can. We can actually control much better from a breath. Practice standards splits the two instead of one big stream dream going through this giant gaping hole where he got to smallest dreams are and then there's more and more scientific evidence that lends itself to lots of dysfunction But is part and parcel of breathing the mouth so for example. There's a really good book that just came out this this last quarter hauled jaws which is came out of Stanford Stanford Press and. It's really interesting because the amount of Like facial Jaw dysfunction and they're linking a lot of that up to mouth breathing because when your sinuses aren't functioning properly the MAXA in your face doesn't grow in the right position Asian and as a result who John is set. Okay remember that that Character James Bond. You're like yes do. Yes the teeth detail. He used to bite metal and massive like style John and his name was jaws jobs he was mouth breather. Well definitely definitely fine. He could probably would. You doesn't doesn't have an effect in your heart is absolutely absolutely early because if you're not if you're having inefficient. Absorption of oxygen. How much harder does your heart have to work? In order to get the oxygen. You do have the chemistry behind that or the physiology behind that is actually breathing through my mouth and more observing. This were literally launching. How many I'm like three studies right now kicking off like we're literally involved in stuff right now to show what we're seeing what we're actually seeing through testing subjectively but what we're actually seeing on in medical great equipment that the difference between me just standing here going or is a very different metabolic profile and thus I'm reading myself more? Co Two making it almost an impossibility to efficiently use oxygen in any capacity. When you breathe through your mouth your exhale too much you can also you can off offload a so much more? Co Two. It's an but the big kicker here is there's no real real difference in how much oxygen on actually getting in on the intake intake regardless different aspects of the regardless. Yeah Yeah Guard licking the volume. UH-HUH I can just move faster and this is only with like effort because most people don't breathe with that type of effort and lesser exercise totally. And there's a time and there's an alignment. I do this drill like think about like to get people to to recognize the difference between just know unconscious moth breathing and unconscious nasal Britain. I'm not unconscious. Because I'm x factor than asking them to pay attention to it but for the average person more listening can do this like like just just breathe kind of a little bit through your mouth like you would normally be breathing first of all. You're you're just basically using the upper part of your launch not activating in in the muscles of diaphragm is disengaged. And you're taking in about thirty to forty percent in lung capacity so in order to get a full lunch. You have to work at it. You know like you're in an endurance event. You know. But when you breathe the knows it activates the diaphragm which then polls auction deeper into the lungs unless your diaphragm is frozen and a lot of people are have frozen diaphragm because of the way they sit in the Manga. This emotional pattern absolutely and so like you know at least in in the approach. One with teach. There's these three pillars that we talked about and their state mechanics and physiology. So what's going on your mind. The position that your body is in how you moving through vase. And what's going on in the chemistry and those are completely interchangeable interconnected and read. That's exactly what you're just making doubts each other they influence each other And you can only focus on one at a time. Usually but they're all always always getting in flow through practice you can align the state and the and the The posture exactly. which then I'll have a positive benefit or you know recruit over time of positive? His illogical balance homies. They say and it gives you a lot of you feeling you feel like like I got the flu like right after Christmas and I shut down for like three or four hours in my sinuses and that was the first first time I had really slept and like fell asleep at any portion in the last few years where my mouth through open read right and I was so I wasn't I didn't sleep. I wasn't sleeping I was just blew up and I was like dry mouth and I it felt worse. And you you start to feel that stuff in and through a performance standpoint you you will learn that if you spend time with this that you cannot hack your biological and physiological responses meaning if I cannot cannot operate in an aerobic capacity well enough breathing through my nose. You're going to be operating with a mouth open which the worst rating your perform which means were no longer operating in aerobic capacity interest. And so you're trying to hide from the fact you're trying to hi from your own fitness your real ability because anaerobic rainer banging through. Let's say a twenty minute Amrop yes and you you just have to open open your mouth and suck the air. There's a mechanical problem right. So you need to slow down mostly. It's a mechanical and physiological problem. You actually are blowing through something something that you are incapable of doing and runs the normal one hundred percent too. Many people not slobbering minute through their mouth. I don't see many runners in the question cruising on the street like I don't like this is what we do. I just see this in any any exercise. This is I mean forget crossings cross's easy look at it and just go. Oh my God like this is why we see a lot of people who have the metabolic problems they do right like in. That's where burnout redline adrenal fatigue. Things like that and that's not crossed it. It's the individual not playing the realistic role of. Oh I can't I'm not actually operating in an in a high aerobic capacity right now I'm actually operating in a very anaerobic place. I'm burning through sugar. which is a limited resource and a very costly resource to us? That means so when I do switch over mouth breathing I should be under costly in terms of of its deleterious effect on the body highways the smart endurance athletes. Of course everyone you know. The heart attack started happens. People started to look look diets. And maybe you know Pasta's and the right thing to eat all the time but I think it's equally breath that may be I will now donald that the that the breeding is probably the bigger culprit right. Because you should be able we. We're just talking about this on the drive down here as we weren't efficient machine like we can take a lot like go to Vegas go. The People reported off out there well but they're pulling off and they're doing some back the hierarchy smoke right alcohol. You look at my dog and my dog's been eating the same type of food their entire lives and they're pretty Dan healthy like we talk about diversity in food and talk about all this stuff with nutrition. It's like dog. See the same thing and he's healthy right like well. Why shouldn't we why? Why do we fall apart if that had the food or is it? How we're actually absorbing has no right and I think yes I'm not I'm not trying to say go to McDonalds and any I need like one of the control groups right right the big Mac and briefs year knows the other people eat the big Mac and breathe through your mouth of course take us years to kind of get to the I? I don't think we need to actually pull that study together but we can pull this together study that does Shohei mouth breathing versus nasal breathing. What's going on? What the health implications of this? What's going on from stress standpoint? Because person breathing through the mouth from what we're seeing. Those are stressed individuals. Those are high stress people. Those are people who are. Actually how do you recruit Kurt. Those people you say okay. You're doing it wrong. Don't change a thing. Oh now we want to study and then we just say hey. We're GONNA put you on a bike. You're going to do this work out. And you're GONNA the Three Mile Home and then you are going to go. You're not you're not but it doesn't matter how they breathe before they come to the training. Well we can measure what's happening in that in that moment we're we're gonNA baselines in in the some of the analyzers like the breath analyzers were using to do the preliminary work on this really accurate and I mean you can Z.. We could see it in real time where you know. We'll be not even necessarily on a bike sometimes just sitting still and doing breathing through the nose and you can look at things like respiratory exchange rate right which is how what's the volume of oxygen going around versus the volume of carbon dioxide and that equation literally tells you how Aerobic Aerobic argue. How anaerobic are you? And just opening the mouth immediately you know things that thing towards anaerobic by large percentage manage points and there's not even any work being done soon as you open your mouth your respiratory capacity becomes far less efficient now. That doesn't mean that there's not a time and a place in so again that brings us back to the question of what we want. You know you brought up like doing a twenty minute amrop kind of workout and if you're doing that training session with the goal of developing your aerobic capacity then you absolutely need to keep your mouth closed but if over the course sobat twenty minutes. You're trying to see how much crap you can get done no matter what the cost is then by Al means but hey you you have to know what it is. You're getting out of that session and to me thinking about trying to win the workout. Every day is kind of like being the tallest midget right. It just doesn't matter it doesn't matter so so you have to know what why you're there and and what you're trying to get out of it and if it's like hey I'm trying to improve my aerobic capacity will then I gotta I gotta eat a little dirt here a little bit more aware and be a little bit. More aware might also lead to fewer injuries over time as well. I think there's a tissue response right. There is one hundred percent like you. I mean look the difference between nose and now I'm I para sympathetic dominant. I'm sympathetic Donna. Okay so what. What does that mean for my life while you wake up in the morning you get the kids ready you go and crazy yellen or whatever whatever you know you go work out you know and that you know mouths open and then I go to work and I'm not in front of a screen and I'm not like enjoying what I do like? You're sympathetic all day long. You haven't dropped out of that. So this is where that fundamental plays like. Hey how you be breeding throughout your day. Just chill and try and keep your mouth shut when you can. You know. This is kind of a little bit of a sidebar here but when we all be better off people kept their mouth. Shut So you can't you can't you. Dear knows breath when you're talking to your culture right hump from I mean really hard. You're not like but you start to look at your committee. The committee you come from the martial arts communities you start to look the Yoga community. Did you start to look. Oh let's look at native cultures right like George Caitlyn wrote a book in eighteen sixty nine and he was a guy that came over and he was an attorney came over from England and observe Over a million indigenous people in North and South America and be biggest difference that he picked the only reason he wrote. The book was was. I'm here's why why. They kept their mouths shut. They hunted with their mouth shut. They slept with their mouth shut. They were in the other. The other name they gave to the civilized man other than round. I was black mouth and that was where we were if we start to look back on things. What's happening to jaw? Oh Weird Mc jaws always open alcohol's around all the time like these things that caused massive stress like the don't fix any of these things are actually imple- cool. Yeah implicating. A lot of Canada Western man gets so unhealthy mean global warming thing everyone from some native native. Try though. I mean we've heard about all this evening. The Vikings were malpractice. They might have been potatoes and taking take another people shit they were very need. Were like even we. Just don't we're real good at learning. I think about history. And that's what it's four and I mean that's why we are you the only guy I bring up the blow warring shirt global warming. All this stuff you know is going. It's terrible like there's stuff going on but this is all like we were told a long time ago that if we don't treat this place this this planet birth in a more respectable way like who sets up cities Masson cities in floodplains. We do we do we do. We're going to set up a place. uh-huh called Houston and we're going to put in a flood plain and we're gonNA literally just hope or we're going to build place and not finish the dikes and dams in New Orleans audits below sea level and just call it home like no native culture would have ever done that. Yeah so if the white men had learned to keep their mouths shut and bree they would have had a little that more awareness. More wisdom accrue to them through the breath practices and they probably would have made different decisions. Yeah anyways unfortunately. Wisdom awesome is not retroactive wisdom in a true statement spoken. There's a few more things about breathing through the nostrils. We haven't quite finished model right. What about nitrous oxide? Absolutely absolutely all of that works so nitric. Oxide is Vasil as a dial later. So that's released by the apparent as an sinuses. So as air passes through that molecule attached to oxygen and as it travels into your ally VI ally it actually causes them to open up and makes diffusion much more efficient and give them more auction to your cells. Exactly right you get more oxygen oxygen to hemoglobin to human which then goes and works as long as the cellular environment like Brian was saying as long as there's enough carbon dioxide in the cellular environment than the oxygen gets released to the tissue. I said and then Brian mentioned it in passing but nostril breathing stimulates through massage of the BAGEL nerve. The Para sympathetic response. It's Paris response. But it does not it actually is indirectly influenced by the by the vagus nerve but it enhances Vegas tone because it intrinsically slows your breath rate down and because of that the mechanisms that go that link breath rate and you know psychological state that about two way street you soon as you're reading slows down. It's a signal to your brain like. Hey everything's Are you suggesting that neuro chemical reaction reaction to slow breath or some sort of physiological thing. That's going on from slowing down the breath. It causes watts both so it simultaneous right right so as you start to slow your as you start to slow your breath rate down it. There's A. There's a physiological reaction for shore. Things things like BUFFERING VAZ ACIDIC products. Your entire metabolic. Cascade is moves closer to home. Yeah stasis and as a result all of those layers of signals that tell your brain how to react. The environment respond differently. And that's what it is is that your body has all these redundancies Aziz in place so that you can understand what's going on in the environment and how you should be reacting and there's an epic I mean there's a ton of research already out on control slowed breeding and how it calms the brain that calming effect. Put us in more of that in the importance importance of pera synthetic tom the specially for an athlete becomes. I'm no longer here or an operator. I'm here. I see everything going on. I'm in a creative space. I can learn. You aren't learning and high synthetic town you aren't you're just reaction it's crisis crisis you who likely we don't need all athletes in that position that's like until let's game day or that that moment I don't like training going into that is like I think that the human body unless you're you're meditating you're sleeping you're not meant to be like in total sympathizers well there's no other pets navy seal going into combat is using the breath to to control the internal environment and to create more awareness but a lot of people in this is a common misunderstanding when I was teaching feel can it's like you you know that's great but I need to be able to laser focus on my target you will be able to because you're going to still have right sympathetic response it's going to really sharpen your senses but you're also modulating that with the Paris of response which is expanding your awareness you're going to be able to see was that not you don't get tunnel but that guy that might pop up over right you're going to be able to gauge this target while you see this guy or parasitic tone means there's never an off switch for either war Arthur all both working it's just it becomes that Oh hey wet where my actually learning what am I mean. What's the process of what I'm doing doing now? And that's where I think we see things with a lot of the athletes especially where the learning curve just goes. Oh okay like the control my breathing respiration and this was something I'm working on. This is this goes into like our gear system that were really at the energy system in control thing is there's actual gears to understanding where I'm at metabolic and I can actually control where I'm at and what I'm doing and when I've lost control troll of that I no longer I on toast like it's time to figure out to get back you control so that I can get a hold of the situation. Yeah you know for the Bio hackers who are listening who want you know love the muse or the halo then you can reduce everything to a device with the the EEG affect the electrical You know yes stimulation. Electrical currents run through your brain are also affected acted by the brethren. So if you WANNA put your brain into kind of a High Alpha low bid estate which is ideal for learning than breath your nose slow down. Pay attention need a halo or we looked at that. I've looked at that and we've dived it with two buddies mind who are engineers both were from NASA and we look at this stuff on amuse and they were flabbergasted as to what was going on with my brain waves as opposed to theirs and the only difference in what we do or did is how much training I have with breath practice what I've spent time and what they had And they just didn't have the formal the type of breath practice. I had a very deep understanding this and how to where the control is what I can do it. And how my brain was actually operating much more functional Hassett. So it's very it's very. I'm I would be certain that you take people who are high level breath practitioners and you're gonNA see some. It's really interesting things. He I remember my friend. Stu Smith Did a national geographic thing. I I forget what they call it. Remember what they call that thing. We'll anyways they put him into a ice tank at him for an hour not submerged I mean he was obviously breathing I think he held his breath for an hour talk. That would be impressive. Can actually sitting up to his neck and you know and Yeah they didn't really tell us what he was doing or anyone. What what he's doing and then he got out in a mealy picked up you know went through a obstacle course and the picked up a rifle and shot a target and hit two? Three shots hit bullseye. Now they did pre-test where he was. Warm- warmed up ready and he did better back after an hour on the ice tank. And what was he doing breathing. You really to mow to drink practice. Attend your percent. Unawareness radically slow in hill slow. Xl brats controlling body temperature but also getting his mind and a perfect state of like neo neo at the end of the Matrix the bulletin in and then when obstacle course came he was like why we moved over to like files with all this. Bryce all all this is stuff that everybody's doing now. It's like you know it's cool but it's also like what are we doing this for like what are you doing this for like and and what's your outcome so you can just walk up short then the moment that we started applying all his midget on top. Yeah exactly let's let's stressor and then controlling Show me ten brass than you get out all ten recipe thirty seconds. This is because humans are we so often have the fallacy that achievement means understanding and it does not just the lack of under one hundred and so just because you can sit in A. I am not saying anything against the ice thing. It can be it extremely valuable. Yeah we know you know you feel. When I do agree? Awareness awareness mechanism to absolutely certain aspects about the physiology and how their mind works in here and there has to be underpinning understanding of why AM I. I'm doing this right and it can also become a hiding place like any anything that you know right. What's the 'cause it's it's a peak state you know I had Jamie wheel come talk at our summit and we'll talk about it in my opinion. Jamie Jamie make. It wasn't just flow but it was about conflicting flow with development. Does that make sense. So a peak state is a peak state right so when you breathe thirty Wim Hof breasts and jump into the ice back. You're going to feel amazing all all sorts of things going on but it's not gonNA evolve you as a human being. No it's not gonNA change anything except make you feel good in the moment and like we talked earlier actually might cause was some women motioning. Rods women doesn't actually do that when he gets in the ice right like if you watch him break the world record occurred like for an hour and fifty two minutes and ice. He's sitting there. Doing a touma like Brandon I since locust controlled slow like controlling has gotten ice bath with Joe Asana new podcast that kind of question breath and I was like I was comfortable wii going. Could we get out of this thing. Now you're on my turfing out you can give me up on one of your obstacles and laugh at me out when you stop asking. You know the the colds great but what I think people really miss about it and this is why we teach we teach an exposure clinic and it's not just even though we use ice and he'd it's not about the ice and he writes exposure right. What's expose right through a broad range of experiences? Exactly Apple's audio working in what is that big thing you can use and it comes back to. Oh you're breath the moment I've got control of my breathing breathing I'm in control my physiology. I'm in control of what's actually happening to my mind. It's safe to say this. The single most important leadership tool also because again. It's going to be what's going to keep you from embarrassing yourself in front of your team or it's going to allow how you to give the presentation with absolute authenticity presence. You know I can't tell you how I can't tell you but you're gonNa tell me right back. I mean you've been on this train man on this train for long from a leadership perspective bright because if it enhances awareness by we're so passionate about it because personal experience we're not coming up. This is like scientists studied. Maybe you are. But you're also practitioner absolutely partition of first right. Yeah so my introductory wrestling US was yoga. Actually right that was my first. Introduction was through yoga practice did It's amazing power stuff but I would say awareness means perspective so ramone leadership standpoint having a more broad perspective also allows you to navigate difficult situations per and personalities alleys peeled through organizing. People is one of the hardest things that you can do because intervenes are so unpredictable and so being able to maintain perspective active allows you to manage those situations with some grace and not returning to or like a cutthroat you know utilitarian were just like this guy to new. I wanted so right off so we have probably wrap up pretty soon here. What is like the seminar? You'RE GONNA give tomorrow and San Diego what would be like the beyond setting up the stage with your lectures and all that when you put people either on the ground a chair okay. Now we'll do our first lesson first practical exercise. What does that look like when we start the day with our very first practical exercise so before for any lecture we want people to feel it because being able to feel it is not been? You ought to take my word for right so we do a protocol first thing in the morning that directs. Everybody's focusing awareness out of the gate And it takes about five minutes and it's a combination of a slow-breathing protocol a fast breathing protocol to get kind of in a sweet spot and arousal where nobody's GonNa feel over stimulated but they will be drowsy early in the morning either so it's kind of like a half calf dragon. will be disappointed but the people who aren't aware of it will we'll be like. Oh Yeah Yeah and Every community that we this protocol particular step up and it's kind of like finding a sweet spot in your arousal spectrum and it helps people get really attentive and focus and there is a palpable shift in the participants and the instructors notice it and they notice it not only in themselves wooden others you can feel a change. Between sort of the CHATTY NECE and sort of unsettled nature of not knowing what to expect. And who's GonNa talk and you know how to do. I have the right t shirt on and all that stuff to who is this in front of me. And what information will I get And it makes for a really positive start to the day that's awesome that's awesome restart every of our everyone in our training with the except for the Corre camp. That's a different. Let me start that with. Bullhorns is unbeatable. Mind trading the track that there is a model breath trading and I just got an email from someone like I Graduate Choral forty three and extraordinary life changing things blah blah blah. But one thing is always puzzled me said I always experience like delayed onset. Soreness soreness an official term for that. You know I go out on one hundred Mile Rockin for a week and everything and so I just expected that. With Kirk oral camp. I would have this. I'm up for fifty hours doing in this enormous amount of work physical work that I would have delayed onset soreness ernest and be sore for a month and he didn't use up about the next week. which is common? That's the more common experience is Kinda like seals. Go through Hell Week and we're back training Monday. After seven days of non-stop physical training and I really think it comes down to the breath. We're teaching them how to breathe. The breath is constantly you know basically helping to rebalance the body and to eliminate the toxins that are causing the sewing quite possibly could be because there's probably other factors the hydration. I the constant. What about the prep that you send out for people prior to coming to crude you send out a wrapped event? Yeah and I'm probably betting that prep is something new to one of those folks to getting the tissue in the body ready bought I do. I'm of sound line because my own experience that the a change of reading and understanding my breath work and understanding my breath practice and what it is I do for exercise has changed all of that. You're changing the PH of the body. You're changing how acidic it gets right right so you're changing health and is moving energy which is moving up toxins. You WANNA burn. You WanNa burn more a few one of them. Burn more sugar that is gonNA mean you're probably GonNa Bring on Don's a lot sooner. Those types of things are are probably connected pretty he well. High intensity anaerobic effort is the add six hours in the ocean. Yeah which is going back to recovery at all the hydration which now most people think they hydrate but they don't yeah but when you sending someone for throughout fifty yards drink drink drink drink and actually stay pretty hydrated traded. I I you know. I didn't want to sit interesting thing to think about is like Oh yeah but to make clear about like what we're saying with lot of the stuff and you know if you go in anaerobic but it's that's it's not bad like it took me a couple of years but in two years I can operate it. Roughly Ninety five percent of Max ouray knows only absolutely like so. That is a possibility for anybody to do in. That means almost any work out I do. I can operate just choosing that to a large degree until the end. If I want gas more I can do throw Daghir in and go. You know I do know that for long term. That's GONNA the bigger cost. Yeah if you just want to get a little taller yeah ask. That's all right. Oh man talk about this forever but you're you're seminars called called Arda breath yet. Yes scrape all of that. So we've got the regular Arctic breath on Saturday and then the exposure on Sunday. Yeah and audio a website for this business that you guys have organized an off power speakers so that our home the home base and seminars that we offered this is the one seminar we offer and he so so people can find out more at power speed endurance dot com correct word slash ashort of breasts forward slash breath. And how like if they wanted to reach out and talk to you in person. Is that possible yet. Go through said citing INFO at Info at indoors orders Yup dot com slash now if power dot in college slash. Get Taller Gas. Come the tallest MIDGET IN EUROPE DOT COM. That would be a great. The nineteen fifties tagline right. Do you want to become the tallest midget your organization sign here. Okay often guys. Thanks so much for your time today. It's really important work doing. Thank you as yours. We're whereas it has inspired very much. So yeah no kidding and what it's like it's a little bit selfish because we get to breathe breathe when we teach people breath. Yeah and we get to earn money doing what we love to this right so sit and someday with this all be kind of commonplace and we'll have to have something else to talk about. That's the goal. That is the goal of all. And where do we go awesome appreciate very much. Thanks thanks for coming by she. Thank you very much up so folks that sit on bill mine. PODCAST appreciate you. Being here. Her breathe through your nostrils. Slow it down be aware and check out the artem breath. Power speed. DIRT'S DOT COM dot com slash autograph autograph heart breath lash tallest midget. We gotTA Melby. We gotta make that into something. It made it so much little people young make sure you get more dots by men of the occurs.