Episode 11 Fleshiness of Encaustic: An interview with Tammy Jo Wilson
Or brainstorm embraced warm. Our Gab. I'm Ashley I'm Kendra. Today we have Tammy Jo Wilson with us tammy Jo. Wilson is a visual artist working working in painting photography from her studio in Oregon City Oregon. She earned her. MFA In art photography at the San Jose State University in California and BFA photography from the Pacific Northwest College Barton. In two thousand seventeen she was recipient of the Leland ironworks all the artists in residence supported by four family foundation. Ever active in the Portland Arts community. Wilson has volunteered with Rac Arts and Culture Council and Oregon Women's caucus for art. She is also the CO founder and President of Art Oregon a nonprofit with the goal of building. The sustaining art patronage deprived in Oregon Artists and pride in art ownership work has been exhibited all over the country including at the nine five five gallery in New York and the San Jose Museum of Art Anderson California her exhibition biological distance with Amanda Triplet is currently on view at the Cultural Center and Newberg Oregon. Some Walk Narcan. Hi thanks for having me. Yeah how ridiculous weaken pretty mellow pretty mellow. I would say an average weekend average weekend. I did my idea along run every we can which I look forward to you just spending time outside aside and I always take a moment to notice something interesting or beautiful while I'm out there because it's kind of like meditative practice and yesterday I got to see three Nutria. I think I think they're called neutral beaver possum. That was like my my moment might take away from outside time yesterday. They just telling US eating. It was very beautiful and I got way to hot. I mean not the height but that's also see wildlife. No I looking hi. It's okay I got way too hot this weekend. Jazz crazy crazy Where'd you run by the way Well I live in Oregon city soil. Start from my house and then just go out. I'll usually go along the willamette river. There's some trolley trails and everything along there and wetlands. It's really beautiful sunsets. Yeah I like running for that. I feel somethin' new out of it. I went to the art fair and say yeah. I didn't know that was happening this weekend. I'm southern I'm missing it today. So he can still make. But I mean the it's it's the seventieth year and it's also the hundredth year anniversary of the Salem Art Association. Very cool very cool. Yeah I just venture down to Salem to experience there just recently having not really onto onto view for viewing which I don't really know why because it's not that that far away and I did see the festival's coming up some sell that I'm missing it but next year next year I am excited to go to the Seattle Art Fair. I've never been to so that's coming up August. I in the forest. That'd be if you missed the Salem Fair you can go experienced that one total the Salem our affairs it was good I mean most. Most of the artists are a lot of Portland. Salem California so like pretty close by artists was fine. There is glass ceramics WCHS metal just a little bit of everything. I've never been to Seattle art fair but I assume that it's less it's more art and less fair and then seal Z.. Large various it feels more like it's outside. There's yeah it's yeah it's a different kind of it's more like the arts and crafts artisans and artists as well. I think call artists artisans functional art that is equally as beautiful and significant and important But Yeah No. The Seattle are urge galleries. Yeah so that'll be a whole different type of experience. But hopefully it'll be good inspiration and the Salem art fair has music and food. Yeah and I remember in high school. I painted faces. You remember doing that how we both before we could get jobs like painted faces. I helped with the kids parade. It was just fun experience for call or high school age to get work experience. So yeah yeah and that. So that's awesome. He had a great weekend. Ours was a little slower. We just hung out in the backyard. They pick blueberries and went to pour que no last week with Oliver. That was pretty fun. Good place you you gotta try the her take. There is amazing truly one of them and then Christopher and I are working on an installation for September at at Pacific University. So Oh that's exciting. Yeah what is the installation. What's what's the nature of this installation? Well basically kind of taking unique keeps hitting her head on basically making a painting into an inst- three dimensional space and Oh nice. Yeah in Christopher's handling he's doing some lights and sound and I'm doing the kind of the murals and then working with the Scientists cosmologists not not a not a medics cosmetology cosmetology like elephant. Yeah Yeah So. It's one of your paintings on that that I would know. Are you saving this painting specifically unveiling Lear Stories. experimenting. Yeah it's actually kind of nerve wracking. You've never done it but it's going to be super cool. The most important thing is that it's super cool. That's the most important thing and it sounds Super Fun. I'm jealous I would love to try that someday with one of my paintings to like turn it into like a space that you can enter my house. Perhaps I mean we actually went to China forest last weekend in its. I'm realizing that a lot of mass. That is inspired by the hat. The weird the lighting the animatronic the slightly creepy. He might have to be on him. There's nothing basically so all the callers kids take mushroom. I'm speaking of cool art. Do you WanNa tell us about your your practice. Aren't absolutely so I'm going to describe how I'm working right now. Because my work has evolved over the years I might go into a little bit of that evolution. But I'll start with where I am Right now on maybe work my way backwards so currently I'm really into In cost a painting which for your listeners and caustic is a combination of hot wax usually beeswax mixed with a tree resin and then you mix that with a powdered pigment And then you heaved up new paint without material Do dead on a solid wood surface. Because it's wax you know needs a solid surface. And so then I also will incorporate ceramic elements into that. So I'll have a panel amount Dimensional ceramic piece So the the painting comes out of the surface and other thing to do is carve are into the wax itself and then you can fell So it's it's a really unique painting material and then drying you can do a oil oil pastels on top of the wax. They're very compatible materials. That like each other and the waxes this really transparent quality to it because it's all access really done can you believe these layers that are translucent. And you can see through underneath things float in it I've done pieces where I've incorporated were incorporated cocoa powder into the wax. I was thinking well. If I'm using these powdered pigments. What other things can I put it in this tax to make to make it more interesting? Something that's more relevant to my concept Not just the puttered payment. So I did one of the cocoa powder. I've done some with makeup because I was like. Oh that's a cool powdered thing. Maybe not very archival because it's not what it meant for But whatever I'm thinking about that I'm making the work but if I embedded in the wax I'm hoping you know it seems to be doing well archival speaking so using that makeup ah also to further my concept I got most of my visual inspiration. My aesthetic is very much from the body. So I pull from body colors so think of varying flesh tones and my save varying. Obviously because everybody's got so many different colors within our body. Everything from Brown's pinks reds the yellows to blues. But that really on a visceral body. Fleshy colors And then as dark skinned person myself I try to really pull in that color Palette as well And so then I also reference reference the body in the shapes themselves so it's not mechanical. It's not hard. Edged has a very round for organic very kind of visceral nist Mrs Hewitt of referencing hair and bones and skin But those references can sometimes go into like the natural world to like the veins in the hair might also bridge into branches or trees or roots. So there's that overlap that ascetic overlap of connecting gene kind of the human experience with a natural world experience as well and how those things in nature can mimic each other right in our world in decay yes succinctly A lot of reference to disease and some of the things that happened with our body that is just kind of natural but it's not necessarily really very enjoyable for us that have to go through an house our body ages and changes and things happen to it. Our bodies are altered in ways that we can't control yeah and we have to deal with one way or another and they can be very frustrating and yeah. There's a lot of references of that so that was in the Kasich. All six specifically also worked with Ink on paper and Watercolor on paper. I started working that way after my experience with This arts it's performance that a theater person invited me to. She is a theater performer. In a dancer and she was doing a performance as part of the salt collaborative live performance. That happened last year here in Portland and she asked me to draw and make art while she was doing spoken word piece and a dancer was dancing in response to that spoken word piece so I was responding making visual art to the dancer and the spoken word happening. The answer was literally up in my face and I had to make work within fifteen minutes while people were watching me and I was like. Oh my gosh I don't I don't I've never worked this way. I have no idea how to do this kind of practice a little bit. How do I make work in fifteen minutes? That's interesting meaningful but that really has become an important part of my work now and so. I've been doing a lot more drawing drawing income paper and brought the figure back into my work on this last year since that has happened which is new for me But I think it was really that experience of The salt had to do with the metoo movement and The female body in that type of things and telling our stories about that so hearing those stories having the dancer right in front of me while I was making the work and having the inspiration of the body movement has really Given me a new direction now I expressed that to FAO faster. Drawings do figures which has been really rewarding for me too. Because I don't know about you but I was super busy life and so I found i. Could I do drawings in my car. Do Drawings in a fifteen minute lunch break. It could drying sitting in the coffee shop waiting for something to happen and so having that addition to my art practices suspend Super Helpful Super Super Helpful. Tally reference brings that solid reference. Back to the body So that's kind of where I'm at right now My Foundation like you said in my my bio is photography that's where I started But even when I was doing photography I was building sets not necessarily capturing moments I was building my own moment so it was almost like I was making a painting and photographing it was just kind of always kind of how I work. uh-huh usually related to the body or human experience with our larger culture in some way. Yeah Yeah I like that. I like to like the wax thing like I would to experiment that way. I've never I didn't know. Wax was the medium that people used to paint with and so the oldest kind of paint it is. It's a super old process. Yeah recalls like I've probably seen it but it's neat to hear the process in the pigments and and try and cocoa a half. I know the cocoa interview if you look it up online they have these If you look it up online they have Like Egyptian Egyptian death masks apparent Egyptian. No Greek Oh. I don't know well. Christopher will look out and make me sound smart but basically basically you painted in put it on your grave. Yeah cool run. A lot of old poetry can see done in caustic. Does it's a really really nice reference to to the flash into skin because skin has all these layers of transparency and all the colors within the layers are RPM. That's underneath you know more the yellow and then the blood flowing through underneath and you can really create that caustic. You can start with those base layers with the veins in the blue so you can add the pink and then you add this layer on top And you've probably seen in custody paintings and didn't know that the next time you're out looking at irony see this painting and you're like there's this crazy like luminous depth that is not an oil painting. What is this? Yeah that's really cool. You know if it looks thick transparent. It's probably in caustic painting and it's kind of lumpy and notice that everywhere now. Well you're going to see all that yes and then there's like cold wax medium people use paintings. Sounds like ten of a just a material that you can mix with your one. Yeah Yeah So. It's like bees beeswax. It's refined vox and then you can mix it with oil paint or use. Is it as the process on top of oil paint. You can also use it within caustic. But I love cold box. I'm looking forward to playing with more but I haven't used it much but it's very cool. Yeah and I like what you said about the mature into adding like makeup and cocoa and and even just the even the ceramics proudly these will probably all fall apart but that seems important like the ephemeral quality right. 'cause you're talking about the body and its worst. Yeah kind of goes along with that whole background story. Yeah why do you do what you do. And what are your professional goals. What do I do? Well I do a lot of things Why do I make art art because I have to? Because it's I just have these things inside of me I think of art is a language And I need to express myself. I have things to say. That can't be said in words. You know it's not Hollywood. Use to communicate. I am not a writer. I'm not a poet so I do it with my art. I feel like I'm one of those artists that it has been doing it since I was able to ask my parents for the art supplies to do it So I yeah. I make art because I have to express myself and get that out. I feel like when people ask me. Why did I choose to be an artist? I I can't help but think well I didn't choose it kind of chose me. I can't imagine myself doing anything else if you can choose not to be an artist. Because because some people force themselves to like push down that part of them or they feel like their family or their life or society or culture doesn't allow them to do that which I think is very very sad but I think artists in general they do make work. Aren't doing it because they're choosing they're doing it because it's they're calling. It's what they need to do. You know Kenan jumping around that kind of leads to another question. I had was What do you think artists has in society? Like what why. Why is it important that the world has artists? I think is important. Have Art because art can savings in ways that nothing else can and it is a way to express things without words that words just don't do enough and to reach down and expressed the human experience in a way that nothing else can and I think some of them were important examples of that when we look at times repression political art things like that when humans are oppressing or replacing or just being with when things need to be he said when change needs to happen when there needs to be acknowledgment of the wrong directions. That people have gone. I think our can be a really good tool for that I think our can also express things that we need to say just in general of our shared human experience that need to be out there and talked about and share it and recognize that we are all going through similar things together I don't think there's any other. I think it's critical for people to communicate in that visual way. Yeah and I think it's always benef- even go back to the cave paintings. I think they were doing drawings to communicate things that they had and no words or no other way of expressing so they made a visual. Like this is what I'm experiencing. Are you experiencing this to my gosh. Look at what we're going you know. Yeah like universal all speak the same language but like ours who everyone can tap into. That told you something I've been thinking about lately. This whole soapbox side note here but in all my classes I feel like I'm required to have my students right now. Are Working and talk about the artwork. But when was the last time philosophy class required a student to to draw it. It took company one of their papers withdrawing right or or a business class. Accompany a lecture with a drawing like we need to art in another form of communication. I think that that's I think our would probably have more respect if if it was treated that way right anyway. That's my side note. I do have to say as a PA ALUMNI AP NCAA. I took one of my science requirement. Classes there it was a physics class and they did actually make us make art but that was an art school trying to teach physics. So how do we do that okay. We'll make them make our about physics because that's their jam. They're going to know how to do that writing along physics paper. Yeah that'll be a little harder. Yeah I do remember making art physics the Homework Project which was Super Fun. I imagine though like if other like ps had had an art component visual communications component in all their classes like that all right professors out there in the where the teachers educators nuts. Were you taking out right. Yeah all right dude you. Einstein was big doodle or right. Oh yes you like riding. Not Drawing doodling like Yeah so there you go yeah I think of a great idea Back to the interview. I mean this kind of ties in link link all your senses being used but what what do you listen to in the studio if anything. Yeah no I have music I have a an art colleagues. It's my art flow on spotify playlist Which I was listening to recently and it's very erratic as far as like type of music style of music and I was was thinking about that recently? It's like why is this so kind of all over the place and I think it's because it keeps my brain guessing. It's like a hip hop song to like adjusts on to like this smooth found based piece but every time it makes shifter kind of wakes me up. I'm like Oh that's fascinating I go into this. You know instead of just staying at one level of listening to the smooth jazz. The whole you know like I need to like be pulled up and over and sideways and woken up over and over again but I also oh really what. I'm not listening to music I love watching the How do I describe you know? Like someone's getting their house redone and they're like. Oh we have to get this done. And we're going to up to midnight fixing this thing and they're trying to do this amazing remodel looking at the colors and we all work to do. And I'M GONNA build my house fabulous you know on the deadline and they're gonNA come home next week and for some reason early joy like their creative process and the urgency of their work and hearing their talk about making well. Well I'm doing it like I don't I don't know I don't know so you listen to homer model show. Yeah yeah or like the home decorating the home remodel. Yeah I I'd like those though there satisfying our peak at them every once in a while. When you're doing or at least you stop for the final reveal like you hear them the whole time doing their thing to you? Think they're so excited at all. That work and look at the green towns really did that flood in the basement worked out always works out totally that positive. It's all going to work out in the amazing and and Perspective right interviews all over the place okay. So we've talked talk a little bit of a sense for your daily practice in your studio Listening to years ago. I don't do it every day. I'm like an off and on person at all or nothing like I'm in my studio like ten hours and then like I might go for two weeks with nothing just life okay. That's a library. You also are busy in the world and other ways. You're at my listen car. Yeah and it can you. Do you WanNa talk about art and Oregon a little bit. I would love of two. So art and Oregon is my husband. Owen pre more. We started the nonprofit together. It's been about two years now. I love that we art and Logan was born at least in our minds and in our process in the future at Bob's red mill in Milwaukee Bob. He's best you can awesome play piano above restaurant. Really Yeah he loves. He's got this big grand piano on the top floor. It's usually on the weekends. We'll go up there and just kind of play his saw. Aw Red Vest on Oh anyway. So we went to Bob's because they got unlimited coffee and the really good hearty breakfast and we just sat is out there. The Big Table Go there yeah. It's a great especially if you got like something you WanNa do or have a meeting and you can just bring your notebook or laptop. Big roomy tables. Lots of coffee free oyster crackers. You can just eat all would really like that. Yeah yes US anyway. So after some you know happening in our life we decided to think about. What's the next stage of our life going to be Like happened happened in such a way. That we really wanted to start thinking about our legacy and our contribution going forward art in Oregon is really born from that thinking about. What are we gonNA contribute During their lifetime. And where do we want to be. You know five ten twenty fifteen years from now and we as residents of Oregon city. We saw of change happening the Big Water Fox guys haven't seen it. There's a giant waterfall. In Oregon City will falls really really a second one later Niagara Falls in this part of the world And that property was your spa. There's all kinds of remodeling happening. Twenty five acres downtown is about to blow up. I've been doing great things right now. So we were seeing our neighborhood in our home in our city growing and we were and one of the galleries near our house the only gallery in Oregon city it closed and so we were like how art and my community going to continue going forward and who's going to speak up to make sure artists included in my community and so art and Morgan was really born from our desire to make sure the art was part of the conversation in our community in supporting our community in the artists that live there And then that expanded to while why just here in our neighborhood. Why not the whole state because we see this whole and Oregon Oregon? There's all of our cultural coalitions. Those Rack we love rack. And there's a rack for every county in Oregon I mean they're government funded and they're very specific to their area and they focus on their little region. And then there's the giant S.. That has the Portland metropolitan art scene. You know That is very self focused and so art organism born on the idea of connecting the Oregon artnews hole and with all the other communities immunities around it other than just Portland. Because there's so much art happening like you said Salem Festival so many great artists down. There is great artisan Ben so so our idea was to think about art communities all around the state of Oregon and connecting them together creating one bay Oregon Art Culture. Not Just Portland Roland Oregon. Yeah yeah it's really great. I mean why not titus altogether together. Yeah and a lot of things have have been closing lately it really. Yeah even with the art schools Meryl hearst in the Amazing Art. The happened there and Art Institute. Not Closing and Organ College of Arts and crafts closing before that the Museum of Craft Museum. Oh yeah the craft museum you oppose to law. Oh I just miss face center for Photography and their estimate piece. Oh God long. Have you read that article arranging eighteen. The deck chairs it was in Oregon Arts Watch. It was by Josephine It kinda look for it's depressing but it was really a kind of a call to action is like hey. What can we do to support artists because we're growing and we need to figure figure out what we're doing so it sounds very much like what your guys school yeah? Our goal is to get to know the art scene in Oregon overall overall and so that we can see these things happening across the state in different locations like right now in Walpole Oregon. Tiny little town on the coast Beautiful Little Town and they have a blossoming art scene there. They have The wolpert artists group and hopefully a future art center that they're working on their They they could use support of not just their little town community but this communities around them commuting the county community in the state and so so if nobody notices you know who who's GonNa say that what they're working for in their new arts honour might not exist if they don't have the help and the support from their community so somebody he needs to take notice and connect and create these These networks for people to thrive on so that we don't how so many losses going forward so that we have burst some newer senators a newark programs instead of less art programs unless art center's equal so like of a why should artists be the art collectors. Yeah what else can we kind of help the art world right. Yes so this is what. I'm super passionate about all right artists out there. Listen up artists need to buy art. It it's crazy to me that there isn't more artis out there that don't own art and I'm talking about trading with your friends you know I'm not talking about all. I went to my friend's house and they gave me this painting anymore. I mean go to an art show an art fair and Art Festival Girl Gallery whatever and buy a piece of art full price. I'm paying for it and take it home and out at your collection and I say this because not supporting our own community is just. I can't even wrap my way around. It's like you can't complain if you're not like help you. It's like you can't complain because you didn't buy any art. So why should you expect people to buy your. If you're not willing to by anyone else's and for me. I know the biggest excuse that I hear from people is. I can't afford it and that is so not true. We have so much art in my house. I lost rocket walking around thirty or forty pieces and I have some friends came over and I did the little my little speech on you guys need to buy more art and I show them. You know my tiny the pieces I have. I have a painting. It's maybe three inches by three inches square actually have tool when these tiny little easel sitting on my mantle and I believe I paid maybe five dollars for those tiny little paintings but the artists worked hard and he made those in their their super higher hyper realistic. There's one of the perfect little broken eggshell and there's one of this perfect little river rock and so I have the next together with the relationship of the Rock and the egg and the similarities organic form and the precision with artists painting minium. They're really beautiful but five dollars dollars like I feel like most people could afford five dollars even once a year like that is when we by people bar coffee every day. That's more export by a pair of jeans. I I don't even want to know how much people are for their genes. These days you know doing artists solid and by a piece of their work because part of it is the money but part of it is giving the artists of confidence that somebody appreciated their work enough to give them a little bit of their hard earned money and take it home into their personal space and live with it enjoy and appreciate their work. So having that gratification of my work as meaningful and important and people like it and value it and that's what you get from an art sale totally and you mentioned legs. He earlier Tom. You're Kinda helping them build their only. The I have have friends that by anniversary like buy artwork for each other for every anniversary. I love that idea so it's not just like buying one piece of artwork and and call it good but making it a habit. Yeah and and what a wonderful gift to give someone right. Yeah that's I mean. I hear the argument of like. Why don't have space in my house? US well stored away in swap things out or get little pieces of leaked pieces. There's no excuse people get rid of some windows and just make more wall space period. Big Five hundred great place to buy art. If you guys don't event happens yearly and I believe it will be back this Christmas. I look forward to it a lot of people in my life. Get a forty dollars square of art very cool. That's the Pioneer Square. Yeah Yeah Pioneer. Replace on the top floor. I don't know if it'll be there in the future. It's also been at the Ford building. we'll see where it is next year. They have to you know. Find a good place for all that to happen in a such a huge and amazing about all of those artists also galleries take payment plans so if you go into a gallery and fall in love with something like talk to the owner because Tuck to the calories because they wanna they want to sell you art and they will find a way but I know my husband and I we usually pick. There's different events that happen open throughout the year where we like to buy art one. Big Five hundred. We always go and get our go debit card. Get the cash out so wait in the credit card lying to two twenty dollar bills we you can come home with a piece of art and then there's the Portland fine art print fair. Don't forget the murder this one very i. It seems very high end because it's at the Portland Art Museum and they do have a lot of really nice high inexpensive but they also have artwork that is accessible to you. Know I'm a regular art wage person. I'm not I'm not wealthy wealthy in by any means but I've boughten work there. I think the last three years I've come home with print for a three hundred dollars or less and I know there's definitely ones for under three hundred is just no matter what I like the first Thursday in the summer. Don't they still have day. Yeah this very cool and you can see and meet the artists first hand and have a relationship with them. It's very cool. That's fun yeah. Lots of things to go out and do to go pay aren't now. What is your dream project? I'm already doing art in Oregon is my dream project. I feel like for me. The challenge is just going to be to continue to do it without without letting it get overwhelming. I think sometimes it can be overwhelming to think about the entire state of Oregon and getting to know all of these people and building all these networks networks and communities and bridges and all of that and building the organization. But I just think about one day one week one month at a time and it's going to be amazing process and I really love to think about every now and then in twenty years all the people in our community that have met and connect with and will know oh share and connect together. It's GonNa be quite a thing quitting as far as my own art. I would say I don't really know for having an ideal project I don't really think of art in like project base. I think of it is moving forward in the right direction. I Dunno one painting slash drawing at a time. I feel like I'm having a really good direction. Them looking forward to purging my studio of the stuff I used to work on in the past that I don't want to work that way anymore. So never ending quest for the perfect studio space. Yeah always changing is a good. Yeah not sticking to one cause like project is not a good word for anything when your creative. Because it's it's like you WanNa keep moving you don't want to have a set in stone thing. You're always evolving. Yeah like I recently decided that I don't WanNa waste my time working in mediums and materials. I don't enjoy working in so like I love fabric of the feeling of love everything about it but sewing wing. Not really that much fun for me. I commend shirt or something and the cool. Make a little cover for my stool but when it comes to art making you don't really enjoy the quantity of sewing required for my art so my fabrics GonNa get packed up and put away for a while and see what happens because I found. I don't enjoy enjoy. It not gonNA going to include that in my process. We'll make room in my studio for something really really feels good to do. Can I ask you a question. Actually Yeah Yeah you guys. What's your? What's your superhero power? This week that you want just for this week doesn't even to be for life just as the next seven seven days. What are you need to do really well to proceed? I want I want to go back to this in caustic painting. Do Miss. You should doing in cost. I don't know if that'd be my superpower but just like the ability to do amazing things with it. They're making a lot of sense this morning but I'm a coffee. That's an excuse. I never makes me so what about you. What's your what would you if you had a superpower this week back just this week by the way in caustic on a ninety degree day? Sounds like horrible. I know it sounds bad but because you're working not to get the two. Yeah No. I love the torch though working retorted help on that. I mean I got hair so I gotta be careful with long hair but working with fire. An aren't molten stuff. Can't be what gets better than that. If you let your hair on fire call Ashley mazing cutting the Joe Fix it right up. We'll get creative with it. Bring your here. We'll just go with it for the science folks. It doesn't Mel until about one hundred or two hundred and twenty degrees so there's just the science of it but that doesn't know the wax that you're talking about your uh-huh I'll tell my clients. It's probably similar for my hair but I don't really want to test that theory. No I like I like my hair in other wax you have to be has. It'd be really hot. So we use like a pancreatic grill the official and caustic material tool that if you do the researchers say use a pancake. Oh that's our our tool and then you put all of your little metal cups with all the wax like on the pancake riddle as your palate with all the different colors in them and he kinda Kinda mix within the cups ups then you got like ten seconds between Cup in the to get the hot wax onto the thing before it goes back to being a solid material so anyway I just think of to like the process. You probably have to work faster. You probably have to go with it. If something doesn't go your way you know what you because you can this great but right offhand you just cut it out. Yeah scrape it off. Heated up melted down says finally Start over I feel like in some ways. It's more forgiving than San Acrylic painting or an oil painting especially oil because it takes too long to dry so if you mess up like what are you going to scrub it off with paint thinner. It's GonNa make the whole thing look kinda messy. You know an curlicue just got to cover it up But in costumes you can paint over you can just scraping off within seconds seek in melted into something else. That's cool. Yeah yeah sounds fun you you would like it. We should do it with a day. I still have my stepping. Thank you yeah sounds fun. The smells really good but my okay. So what my superhero power yes Kendra yours ability to not have to sleeve. That's what I was GonNA thank. You stole money. Yes not having to sleep like everyone just work all the time. I mean that sounds like have the ability to be refreshed Ya yeah. I'm not tired but also not tired. So you can just stay up continuously and not be tired and just keep going. That is exactly what I need. My Gosh and then maybe throw in not being hungry so then you just go all day. Gosh have you guys seen the numbers that I do love food. Yeah I WANNA be able to you you know like I don't want to not have to eat and like if I ate then I would just like turn huge like I want to eat but not be hungry. I could eat what I wanted right. You know if I want to eat one fantastic antastic meal a day. That's great a federal time than you know a while having just stay up forever. Yeah have you seen the timber movie Franken Weenie. You know yes I have early I have. I don't recall. I watched it with Oliver. It's really good. You gotTA check it out Is it a newer honors honors a really old one claymation. Isn't it. Yeah it's pretty new okay. I don't know what it was me. I feel like I haven't seen a Tim Burton in a while. And it's really good. But there's a part where spoiler I guess not release boiler but basically the dog starts to all asleep and so they just plant some Voltage as little as like charge them up again. And maybe that's what we need. That's all that's all I need is just charged up this like plug me in for a few minutes and then I'm ready to go. Yeah that's what. Yeah that'd be like with the phone owned a little cord Just yeah all in painting. Just plug me in. I feel like that's what I see is net flicks job for me you. You know when. I'm like starting to droop around the edges physically. Psychologically just like all right any Anita little twenty minute break of something to take my mind off of everything and just Kinda kind of chill ax and like yeah. Yeah that's what net flicks those my power. My power bolts. Get all networks before you go. Oh do you want to tell everybody are like six listeners. What's going on right now for sure? Yeah so I currently have an exhibition up at Shalem Cultural Sonner in Newburgh Oregon which is not that far away from Portland. for me in Oregon City. It is thirty minutes a self If if you're driving to the beach and can be on the way to the beach depending on where in the beach. You're going to show if you're heading out that way it's a good time to check it out. They also have various other festivals wasn't events that you could overlap it with that. Yes the vineyards. It's very very cool fun town you can do some wine tasting. Check out my show They do first Friday receptions Sheila so you could always attend the first Friday in August. They'll have their food and wine because it's newburgh free wine and all kinds of good snacks at their first Friday and they actually have line left because it's not Portland In the server so you can actually get one you know like they have enough half bottles for everybody. We don't open you leave with a bottle of wine. Well no I mean you like glass when I let's just say I I could have at least two or three drinks if I into yeah anyway props to them for having plenty of really high quality wine being in wine country so first Fridays Shalem. I definitely recommend checking it out. The this show is up till the end of August me and Amanda Triplet so her work on. I'll I'll talk about her just briefly so her work is like a textile version of my works. Dimensional installation e type work all made with recycled textiles and fabrics her work. She has a a strong belief that if she is going to make new things she wants to do that with recycled objects so she's not bringing more into the world she's just repurposing pissing. What is already here? It's a very horned Environmental part of her work that she doesn't want to just create more stuff. She wants to create new things with things that are already the existing. She's Vegan and she wants her work to represent those values as well and I found her so this is an interesting story. We have time for a quick little storage all right. I'll keep it short so I found her. She was doing a show at a Multnomah Art Center. which has a beautiful gallery for you? Guys have never been there over in. What is that southwest Portland Anyway? The Muslim destruct Muslim Art Center Gallery I saw her work and has like you know that really it speaks to me. I feel like our work saying some of the same thing from are each unique life experience. But we're we're saying the same thing with our visual art pieces having the same conversation so I looked up her info emailed her and I was like. Let's do a show together like I don't know you at all you don't know me but let's be friends and she was like all right and so we brought up a description. You know how I work together and what we're talking about with our work Applied for all these different shows together with our purposed exhibit Because my idea was it would be a lot easier for me to get a two person show than it would for me to find a solo show because people trust do people more than they trust just one person you know because it's a responsibility anyway so I think it only took us about five or six proposals I think shale was our fifth proposal and they accepted it and our show was born so I didn't even know her before the show. That's how we met how he came to make art together. And that was about a two year process of reading proposal. Finding the expedition's getting except for the show making the word talking to each other over the last year and having meetings and having little collaborative visits because we did a somewhat collaborative piece over the Mezzanine at Shahidullah Cultural Center and they had this big three foot long mezzanine at you as you walk in up high to look up and six feet deep and thirty feet long and has three large figure paintings that I made these on fleshy colored pink backgrounds grounds and then these black silhouette dancing figures in them surrounded by her textile Cell Structure Organic Fiber Pieces So it was really amazing. Putting the show together pairing my really fleshy and caustic pieces a lot of body in depth to that with her fleshy bloody textile pieces. There's one piece when we were setting talk show Halen. There was a wedding going on of a family and the kids were there and they were looking at these little girls they were looking at the peace and I kept ascribing living at both romantic. And Gory at the same time if he can imagine. Because it's red and it's bloodied and says that kind of red blood drip to it but that was made it's also made with lacing tool and has this kind of Valentine's Day lovin romantic nece. You know that you get with red lace. That's what I think of red lace and so it's it's Kinda gory and romantic at the same time which I think is a really interesting combination so she go check out the show. It is very pink. It's very red. It's very organic. It's very different. It's a different kind of our experience to think about how we see our bodies and the organic form organic world and our relationship with our consciousness within this changing physical form of organic blood inheriting in skin in life and even just the earth in the trees around us in things like hot wax awesome. Well thank you so much sure. Yeah thank you for having me. This has been our game. Yeah we have to the really good Have an art filled day. Let's see if I'm more art by more art artists. Supporting artists.