Day 867: Trump leaves London and heads for Normandy... while still waging war with Mexico


Tonight after an overnight attack on Bette midler and discussion with Piers Morgan about the Royal family Vietnam and Hitler. Donald Trump leaves London behind headed for Normandy, while still waging war with Mexico. Meanwhile, back at home. Nancy Pelosi responds to more questions about impeachment proceedings Jerry Nadler tries to hint. They still could come and among our guests tonight, a man, who is calling out the attorney general, for a direct contradiction not telling the truth. Plus new numbers this evening with polling, just in from two important states for the Democrats, if they believe they can win in twenty twenty all of it as the eleventh hour gets underway on a Wednesday night. Good evening, once again, from our NBC news headquarters here in New York day, eight sixty seven of this Trump administration and just hours from now, the president will represent all of us, the American people events to commemorate, the seventy fifth anniversary of the d day invasion of Normandy. And as they so often do tonight, the New York time sums up the president, we have watched during his first three days of this overseas trip, he quoted Roosevelt, and gently greeted frail veterans at a d day commemoration hours after proclaiming midler a psycho, and Charles Schumer, ah creep, he exalted soldiers bravery, while dismissing his avoidance of service in Vietnam, calling it a country. Nobody heard of he toasted Britain's Queen at Buckingham Palace banquet after calling London's mayor a loser before leaving the U K for his golf resort in Ireland. The president sat down for a wide ranging interview at turns out with his friend, and former celeb-. Liberty apprentice contestant Piers, Morgan, who these days is the host of good morning, Britain, and among the many topics the two of them covered was Trump's military deferments during the Vietnam war you. Not able to serve invent because of the bugs spot conditioning. You'll fate de wish she'd been able to get Electra central. Well, I was never a fan of that war. I'll be honest with you. I thought it was a terrible war. I thought it was very far away nobody ever. You know, you're talking about Vietnam at that time. This isn't like I'm fighting against Nazi Germany. I'm fighting fighting against Hitler lunches, generally, but I would not have minded that at all I would've been honored but I think I make up for it right now. I look seven hundred billion dollars, I gave last year, and then this year, seven hundred sixteen billion dollars, and I think I'm making up for rapidly because we're rebuilding our military. The interview also covered Trump's thoughts on a possible war with Iran has view of Hitler and Winston Churchill and what the president told the Queen about her nation's next prime minister did I was saying to the Queen list the choice of your next prime minister is a very important church. Charles really have to get it, right. You see similarities in you'll solve to Winston judge what I see with him as he was able to handle pressure, very well, I mean, people forget that. At that time. Hitler was virtually unstoppable. He was going through countries like cheese, wall drums, beating about Iran. You will need to take military action. There's always a chance to I want to know I'd rather not. But there's always a chance. I'd like to end the interview we have a little gift for you, because we're in the church will war. This is what Britain's greatest leader, well and Easter where these famous. So we've had one made you I like this is a she'll out executive style. He used to wear it. Let me try this. These it'd be great. It's a little big can get that. That's fun. While meeting this afternoon with Ireland's prime minister Trump turned his attention back to a growing political crisis at home, his threat to impose tariffs on Mexico, unless Mexico stems the flow of migrants coming to the US, Southern border illegally. I actually go to step up, but if they don't terrorist we'll go on this, wrapping up. What are the coming up by the millions Mexico could stop it. They have to stop it. Otherwise, we'd just won't be able to do business. It's versus thing, and I think they will stop it. I think they want to do something. I think they wanna make deal and they sent their top people to try to we'll see what happens today. We should know something also tonight after senior officials from the White House and the Mexican government both met for about an hour and a half ending with no agreement. The president wrote talks with Mexico will resume tomorrow with the understanding that if no agreement is reached tariffs at the five-percent level will begin on Monday with monthly increases as per schedule. The higher the tariffs, go, the higher, the number of companies that will move back to the USA, Republican senators opposed to the tariffs warned the White House. They're prepared to block Trump's move. Tonight. NBC news reports Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell has asked the administration to please delay the tariffs until repeal. Publican lawmakers can perhaps meet personally with Trump. Meanwhile over in the house, the talk of impeachment is not dying down there are now over sixty members of congress in favor of opening an inquiry today, speaker Pelosi warned there's no guarantee that impeachment would automatically mean the end of this presidency. Dino most people think that impeachment names, you're out of office. They think that you can impeach you're gone, and that is completely not true. It's an indictment. So when you impeaching somebody, you want to make sure you had the strongest possible indictment, because it's not the means to the end, the people think all you do photo. Impeach bye, bye birdie our last bit of news. Here is news on the House Democrats efforts to get special counsel Robert Muller to testify in person House Judiciary committee, chairman Jerrold Nadler was sounding optimistic today. This is. What you need to subpoena. We. City, we'll have we have to longer. We he late. Not too much here for our leadoff discussion on a Wednesday night. Peter Baker, chief White House correspondent for the New York Times tall copen Washington correspondent for the San Francisco, Chronicle, Philip Brooker Pulitzer prize winning White House bureau chief, for the Washington Post and here in our New York studios, Jeremy bash. Former chief of staff at CI and the Pentagon, former chief counsel for the house intelligence committee, Jeremy with you here in New York. I'd like to begin with you. What kind of message has our president sent the world? These past three days in Iraq. One in uncertain one now on the seventy fifth anniversary of d day an American president should symbolize confronting tyranny. He should symbolize the union between the United States and our transatlantic allies. He should symbolize confronting aggression confronting the anti-democratic forces, which are very much alive and well in the form of lining Putin in Russia and elsewhere in the world. But instead, Brian the president is sending Radic tweets criticizing the Royal fan. Family, making comments about things that have nothing to do with his trip or the solemnity of this day. And I think it really detracts it detracts from our observance of the seventy fifth anniversary of and the heroism and bravery of the people who stormed those beaches to keep the free world free. And it also detracts from American security because I think it says doubt in everybody on the continent as to whether or not America and the American president can be relied upon trusted upon during very chaotic times Peter Baker in your reporting. Do you think there has ever been any effort in house to get this president to be a more composed figure, especially going into a daylight tomorrow? People are already holding their breath as to, which Donald Trump, we're gonna get. Yeah. I think they look they long ago, recognize of course, that President Trump is President Trump and trying to change him as sort of a fool's errand. They can tell him all day like with the way they think they ought to. He ought to comport himself, but it's really going to depend on how he feels and he does show and. Interesting. You know, split screen to show, does quote the article that you're you put up from our paper tonight, and the ability to, to be on good behavior when he standing next to the Queen, for the most part, when you say, clinking glasses with Prince Charles, when he's reciting FDR famous words, and then you know, he has free time back though towel or something. And he's up at one thirty five in the morning or something. And then there's suddenly this, you know, tweet storm about Bette midler other folks, and it's just it's very jarring contrast between the presidential and the and the non-presidential, and that's been the characteristic trait of his, his presidency now for two and a half years and Phil worker. We saw again, in the Piers Morgan interview he welcomes new topics as new conversational opportunities, and Brian, he welcomes these new topics as a way to keep it interesting. And, and keep the news media focused on him. You know, most presidents when they travel overseas, half a very carefully scripted and choreographed mess. That they plan to deliver on behalf of the United States, and they or they organized their trip based around presenting that image with Trump. It's, you know, whatever comes at it, and he's gonna respond to, whether it's that, you know, monologue about the Vietnam war, which went into all sorts of areas or his comments on climate change. It was really striking for example, that he said that he was so surprised that Prince Charles would be focused on climate change for future, generations and not just focused on himself. While of course, most people who, who lead countries focused on the citizens of their countries in the future generations, but, you know, look, President Trump is just taking what's coming at him. And it started before he even left the United States with the comment about Megan Markle being nasty. Hey, tall tickets to the Mexican border by way of what looked like the Roosevelt room are these meetings, perhaps for air cover to a kind of pre message a change in the. The coming days, especially if we are to believe there's genuine, Republican, though, again, largely silent resistance, this one is a really hard one to game out Brian, and it's because this is one of those areas, where Trump is just so unpredictable, you know, I spoke with in particular California's House Republicans, there are now just seven of them, but I chase down as many of them as I could. And all of them said, they don't want the tariffs to go on, but they said that Trump has the right to threaten it to bring Mexico to the table. But keep in mind important context here, Mexico has been steadily stepping up its efforts to work with the US to interdict migrants in their country for years. They have actually been deporting more migrants than the US in some recent years, tens of thousands a year. They're offering tens of thousands bore now asylum in Mexico or other kinds of visas to stay they're taking them away from the border. They are doing a great deal what they don't want to do is to have to completely militarize. Their own country and are routes that are completely controlled by the cartels, that this has been a persistent problem for Mexico. And so on the one hand, you could sort of see this as an effort to kind of bring them to the table, and then they'll all walk away with some sort of handshake agreement that doesn't really feel like a change, but everyone feels like they can claim victory, but you could just as easily see this as an instance, where Trump is dead set. And, you know, one of those California Republicans, I talked to said that is the sense, he is getting the Trump really seems to want to put these tariffs into effect, you feel back over to you in lieu of Donner and dancer, I'm gonna play for you, some Nadler, and Blitzer from the safter, noon, and pay special attention to how Nadler, talks about answers, the question about impeachment. Right now. There doesn't appear to be the support for it. Are you on the same page with the speaker, Nancy Pelosi when it comes to impeachment? As I said, we are launching an inquiry now and whether we'll want an impeachment inquiry. It may come to that. So fill this is important. In light of reporting, that's emerging from inside the democratic caucus of this isn't going to be easy for the speaker who has her membership. And as a subset of that, powerful, one these committee chairs. That's exactly right. Brian, she is dealing with a very sort of difficult and, and, and ever changing political situation within her own party. And it's troubling for President Trump because there appears to be growing momentum among Democrats to proceed with beginning impeachment proceedings, but there's not a majority within the democratic caucus to pursue impeachment and you have in Pelosi someone who's determined to do this in a methodical and slow way to avoid her party being accused of political witch hunt of being too partisan in pursuing the president's impeachment. And so she's determined. To wait for some evidence to come in. She wants to slow walk this, but she also trying to show her members that she's at least somewhat in agreement with him. Politico reported today that she actually said in a closed meeting with some of the democratic members of the house that she would like to see the president in prison. And that was a way of her sort of signalling to her own members that she's in agreement that she wants to see something happen here that she wants to see Justice for President Trump, even if she's not yet ready to, to pull the trigger on impeachment proceedings and toll back to you. She has set the bar high. She has used words like overwhelming regarding public support and evidence to go forward on impeachment, and one presumes. She's done this and said this for a reason. Yeah. Isn't overwhelming, one of those beautiful terms of art that doesn't have a specific definition. I mean look, Nancy Pelosi speaker of the house is concerned about one thing and one thing only, and that is dead. Democrats keeping the house majority, and that is always going to be on her mind. And she is not afraid of taking the hard position as a way of bringing the heat off other members of her party. So I don't see her as caving to pressure as long as she feels like her most vulnerable members, don't want to go anywhere near conversation about impeachment. She will keep them away from it. That is what she sees her job as being. And so, you know, there may come a time where she feels like or the caucus feels like they are ready to go there. But sixty members and keep in mind, it is also significant that she is not doing anything to restrain, the members that are talking about impeachment even chairs like Maxine Waters. Who's in a very powerful position. They have free rein to say what they want Nancy Pelosi Pelosi is giving them that leash. But until she wants vulnerable members talking about it. She will take the heat on keeping things moving slowly, great loves point there. Hey Jeremy as two lovers of history. If you gave us a laptop in about an hour. Because you and I have watched some of the very best do it. We could probably write a pretty fair speech to give tomorrow. At Normandy about the invasion and the sacrifice with that in mind. What should the American president say two more? I think he should save Brian fundamentally that day is a symbol. It's a symbol of the United States and Europe, working together to keep Europe whole and free to void the balkanisation the atomization of Europe, the reimposition of all the hyper nationalism, the neo-nationalism that seems to be sweeping these populist movements. He should say that America is going to support those who are going to push back against tyranny against tyrants against autocrats, like Vladimir Putin, but I don't think our American president is going to say that because as we've talked about so many times, Brian in such a troubling manner. Our president, not only sought, but he received and then welcomed the support from one of those off. Kratz Putin in the president's own election. Peter Baker talk about the bar where it is set for tomorrow. Well, I was pretty high. I mean everybody and everybody, but everybody a certain age anyway, remembers Ronald Reagan giving the speech during his presidency at that same place, the boys of point to hawk rock. Obama was with him five years ago when he addressed that same location. The, the meaning of the moment is so extraordinarily Jeremy just talked about it. So. Poignant with with history with, with solidarity with blood and sacrifice that it's, it would be a challenge to the best of orders and President Trump's strength as a speaker is not poetry. It's, it's, it's pugilists him. And so he's going to have to reach to his, you know, his best ability, I think to try to, to match the moment and it's a hard thing for him to do, but I think he has some speechwriters who I'm sure are working on the speech that may not be quite like Jeremy outlined, but we'll hopefully hit some high notes, and at least for one moment, at least recall, the moments when we were together with our European allies at this very critical moment, you know, Peter, I realized tonight, the first one of these animals reside covered was the fiftieth here. We are on the seventy fifth. We have live pictures tonight of that beachfront, which becomes almost a place of religious significance tomorrow. Zero. And of course, all those able body veterans who are able to be there are there and in place. We're going to have a word about it at the end of the broadcast tonight as well. So our thanks, go to Peter Baker to tell cope into Phil Rucker to Jeremy bash greatly appreciate you starting off our conversation here tonight and coming up a former high ranking department of Justice official says he's no longer shore. He can trust our current attorney general tonight here. We'll talk about why that is and later, the new polling on which of the many Democrats running has a chance of beating one Donald Trump. The eleventh hour is just getting started on this Wednesday night. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go. Subscribe to the MSN BC daily newsletter you'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. We find ourselves, I think for. The first time with an attorney general who really is the presence defense, lawyer, and spokesperson and who's quite good at it. And has the veneer of respectability to camouflage what he's doing. He is not the. Sofas. That Giuliani is he's much more dangerous. I think he is the second most dangerous man in the country for that reason, next week, the house of representatives is expected to vote to hold attorney general William bar in contempt of congress over access to the Muller full report and his investigative material bar has come under fire for his handling of the report's release and his apparent reluctance to fulfill requests from lawmakers as well as his decision to essentially clear, the president of obstruction. Former acting solicitor, general Neal Cacho, who wrote the current special counsel, regulations is the author of a piece in the Washington Post called bars zealous defensive Trump makes it impossible to trust his legal judgment in it. He writes, quote, bar has thrown himself in with Trump in ways on becoming to the nation's highest legal official his conduct in trying to clear Trump is of a piece with his baseless attacks on spying by the FBI and his defy. Science of Congress's subpoenas bar has shown himself to be an unreliable and unsteady voice careening from one position to the next always in favor of protecting his boss. We're pleased to welcome Neil Caccio back on the broadcast and Neil, it was a conflict you noted between two statements that bar has given separated by time that we're gonna play now for our audience. We'll discuss it on the other side. He could have reached a conclusion. The opinion says you can indict a president while he's in office, but he could have reached a decision as to, whether it was criminal activity. But he had his reasons for not doing it which he explained and I'm not going to argue about those reasons, but when he didn't make a decision. The deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein, and I felt it was necessary for us as the heads of the department to reach that decision. I think Jim Komi is as I've said is. Extremely gifted man who's served the country with distinction and many roles. But I thought that to the extent he will he actually announced to decision was wrong, and the other thing is, if you're not going to indict someone that you don't stand up there and unload negative information about the person that's not the way the department of Justice does business so counselor. What do you see right there? Yeah. So first Bryant. I don't take any joy in writing that piece, I love the Justice department I've really respected every Torney general regardless of party in the past. But I do feel like President Trump's anti-constitutional rot is infecting now the attorney general, the highest legal officer and the land. And in particular that clip. You just showed I think demonstrates the problem, you know, bar said last week to CBS that Komi could Rex meet that, that, that Muller could have reached a judgment that he thought it was fine that the office of legal counsel opinion that prohibits, indicting, sitting president doesn't mean that Muller couldn't have made a decision about obstruction of Justice. And when I watched that, and Brian, actually, you play a role in the sequence of events, actually, because when I watched that I was like, hi think I've discussed this with Brian, and realized that you and I were watching the confirmation hearing of one William bar. Together on your network, a few months ago and bar said exactly the reverse that actually Komi went out and criticized Komi for not when he didn't indict Hillary Clinton for then attacking Hillary Clinton. And he said that isn't what the Justice department does. That's not the way it does business you either indite or be quiet. And now he's saying something very different. And it just I think it furthers this underlying perception that we have an attorney general, who is willing to do anything, say anything to protect his boss, and that is not the job of the nation's chief law enforcement official Neil Washington is full of good people. Many of them in the law, who have been stunned at how pliant a man Bill bar has proven to be as attorney general these are people who lined up based on his past to give him the benefit of the doubt. When he was named to this job, who or what are the guardrails that exist within? In or around DOJ. Well, I mean, there are a number of career civil servants who I think our guest, I mean, literally, I hear from them every day in, and so I think they are really worried about what can happen, but unfortunately, the Justice department does put the attorney general in control of a lot of operations. And so when the attorney general does something to protect the president, and does so in ways that are really wanting and in dangerous than I think, unfortunately, the nation is stuck with it at least with respect to the Justice permit. There may be a role for congress. I think we'll start to see that next week. But internally the Justice department is set up so that the career officials can only give advice to the attorney general, but ultimately, the attorney general's call in your personal opinion as our last question all this energy, being expended. All this hubbub over getting Muller to personally testify in front of the house. Do you think it might be a case? Of be careful what you wish for. No. I think it's right that Muller should testify can understand Muller's reluctance to he doesn't want to create a public spectacle that I can also understand the house is reasons to get that I think Muller all he has to do is present. What was in the report because unfortunately bar in his four page summary, really clouded the debate cleared the president with really nothing to do with really. No support for that. And there's a really important piece that by Ryan Goodman, NYU law professor, which I put on my Twitter page, which goes through methodically, everything bar, said and everything Muller set and shows just how different they are. And I think Muller's really got to go before the house now and explain, this is the most serious inquiry imaginable, for our house of representatives. It is literally their job. And right now, the only thing that's clearing. The president are really two things. One is Trump's word and the second is bars. Word in increasingly those are looking like actually the same set of words. And so, I think we do need Muller to come forth. I think all Americans to read the report, and I do suspect that hearings are going to be launched in it. You can call it in an impeachment inquiry. You could call it something else, but Justice will ultimately be done, and the house of representatives is the place that starts DOJ veteran, Neil Caccia. Thank you for staying up with us. Thanks for coming back on the broadcast. We certainly appreciate it, and coming up for us tonight, Donald Trump says he hasn't seen a democratic hopeful yet that he thinks could beat him voters. In a few states are telling pollsters, something different, but it is awfully early yet. We'll talk about all of it when we come back. Democrat. But word, I don't see anybody that I would this is not there was no Winston Churchill in the group, let me put it that. He doesn't see Joe Biden as Winston and I think that would be a big upset if he was that would be that would be a big surprise to a lot of people know, there's nobody that I see that should be able to win as of today, by the way were inside eighteen months until the election. There's a new poll from CNN that has Joe Biden maintaining his lead among Democrats, former vice president is at thirty two percent, followed by Bernie Sanders at eighteen Kamla Harris at eight Elizabeth Warren at seven, and so on, on this network tonight at a town hall hosted by Chris. Hayes Senator Warren was asked about taking on Trump in general election. What do you say to people that say I like you on the substance? But I'm worried about your electability as the nominee of the Democratic Party. You know, I remember when people said Barack Obama couldn't be elected. I remember when people sit Donald Trump couldn't be elected also true. And here we are elections are about getting in there and fighting for it, and making clear to the American people, what you stand for I got in this race because an America that keeps working better and better and better for a thinner and finisher slice at the top to go to work here with us to talk politics than I John Ralston veteran journalist, and editor at the Nevada independent, and our own national political correspondent, Steve Kornacki, gentlemen. Welcome to you. Both steve. I'm kind of fascinated CNN in their poll asked a straight up question and you know, this is coming. Do you think Trump will win in twenty twenty? Yes, fifty four no forty one Steve that yes, way exceeds what we are taught is his base. So explain those numbers then it's early. Well it's, it's early. But I mean I look at that and I just see there's a hangover from. 2016. I think if that's the right term, probably for a lot of Democrats probably for a lot of Democrats who looked at polls throughout the entire twenty sixteen campaign, and they saw that there was no number knee who'd ever been is unpopular as Trump was. There was no nominee who'd ever had numbers as low as Trump when it came to think this person is competent. Do you think this person is qualified to be President Trump was off the charts low when it came to all those questions in two thousand sixteen and yet, even Democrats who didn't like him watched him win? Anyway. And so, I think they look now a certain number of Democrats, Republicans probably just want Trump to win an answer. Yes. But I think a certain number of Democrats. Look at it, and they say, well, his job, approval may be low. He may be coming off a rough midterm, but we remember 2016. Hey, john. I got two states for you here. I have polls from Michigan and Texas. I up. Michigan shows Biden up twelve Sanders. Notably also up twelve Buddha, judges. The other headline here up sex, Warren and Harris. Let's go to Texas. And this gets you closer to the margin of error with Biden up for. And then you see all the results in ruby. Red Texas for the Democrats, John. What do you make of it? Or do you make nothing of it because it's too damn early? Well, yeah, I think Brian the most important number. I've heard so far from you tonight is eighteen that is eighteen months away from the election. I don't think he can discern a lot from this. And so, at the risk of the great Steve Kornacki disagreeing with me, which I would never want to happen on national television, I will say that none of these numbers mean that much outside of obviously a Biden has name recognition, and all these states. He does in the Vada too. He's ahead. In a couple of polls, I've seen here, although not as much as in some others. Those Texas numbers are the most interesting ones to me, though, Brian, if those are real that is, that is warning beacon for, for team Trump because of Texas is. Really like that right now that, that could be a real problem for the president. Steve kornacki. Your name is invoked you get an automatic rebuttal here. Here's how here's one way. I think these numbers do matter connects to the first question you just asked there that shows a majority of voters right now, saying they think Trump's getting reelected, in that includes, a substantial number of people relatively speaking, who don't like Trump in don't wanna see him get reelected, in that tells me, how important that issue of electability is going to be the democratic primary voters, and we can go on and on with this debate about, how do you measure electability? How do you define it? It's an inexact thing. But to the extent it matters. Particularly democratic voters heading into twenty twenty if this becomes a trend where you take a poll in a state like Texas in. There's Joe Biden leading, and there's every other democratic candidate trailing when you look at that, that sort of culture on the democratic side, right now that's valuing elect to -bility, if that's something we keep seeing Biden outperforming the rest of the democratic field. I think these polls start mattering very much in the. Democratic race. I both of these gentlemen have agreed to stay with us and coming up more on what's motivating voters a full eighteen months ahead of this presidential election. Donald Trump, as president delayed, deflected move, fired, and did everything he could to obstruct Justice, if he were any other person in the United States, based on what's documented in that report, he would be Terry d- out in handcuffs. It was Senator Elizabeth Warren, who was the first democratic presidential candidate to call for Trump's impeachment. Once that Muller report was out, and as we mentioned here last night. Former Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of searchlight, Nevada now supports an inquiry telling Susan page, the great USA today, veteran writer, quote, it's not the right thing to do nothing Reid said, in an interview Monday, it's not the right thing to jump into impeachment without doing an inquiry most important goal. He said, would be to give the American people of you of what's going on back with us. John Ralston and Steve Kornacki. John. We're out there. We're not, what would Nevada like to see out of this congress, perhaps, if not impeachment and is there anything easier candidly, for Harry Reid to say from the cheap seats. Then maybe we should we should proceed with impeachment. You know, I think it's interesting Brian, let me answer the first question about what, what, what folks out here thinking there are a lot of people out here on the left and the Democratic Party who really want to see impeachment. You can see them very active on social media as you can almost anywhere talking about. Let's not take it slow, you're being too careful. Nancy Pelosi on Harry Reid. I think people need to know Harry Reid is a huge admire of Nancy Pelosi. He is. He said very nice things about her in his book, he, I bet he talks to Pelosi more than he talks to his old friend Chuck Schumer. That's how close they are. So I think he was on the Nancy Pelosi track for a while. But then he said this, and whether he said this tour privately before he said publicly, I I'm not sure Bryan, but he was sending a message. Of course. He's in the cheap seats now. But Harry Reid, most of all, and I, you know, I followed him Brian for for thirty five years is a politically. Rootless strategist he understands the way the winds are, are going to blow. He thinks that maybe it's time for a little nudge to start moving this along. And so I think he's sending a signal to Nancy Pelosi and two other Democrats that maybe we need to start doing something because doing nothing is really going to a road maybe parts of our base. Steve kornacki. That's a great point about the cagey veteran democrat out there in Nevada. How will you know when the Pelosi standard of overwhelming is reached are you going to be looking at Gallup to see one it's more above water than below? Yeah. I mean it's interesting right now because the democratic base is there. There's not unanimity on the democratic side. But there's strong majority very strong majority support for impeaching just among democratic voters. But then, that's the dilemma that Pelosi faces she? She looks at it. Harry Reid was there in ninety. Eight Pelosi was. There in ninety eight and that's your point of reference. I think this, the politics of the Clinton impeachment, the Republican base wanted to impeach Bill Clinton, the rest of the country wasn't there. They thought it was a step too far. The Republicans calculated, hey, we gotta keep our base happy. There was a midterm election coming up in ninety eight so they went forward with it, and then the rest of the country delivered a message in the midterm election in ninety eight and it costs, Newt Gingrich the speaker of the house, his job. So I think that's the point of reference for Pelosi. And I really just get the sense. She needs to see those overall poll numbers change. In a way that says, hey, it's not just Democrats where there it's the broader country. And because I like to quote Rick Wilson at least once a week, his argument is if impeach Trump runs as a martyr raises one hundred million dollars off of it, and walks into reelection. I'll look at the time John Ralston Steve. Kornacki, gentlemen. Thank you, both for adding so much to our conversation on a Wednesday night coming up for us the road to Miami goes through a state where their chief exports to the world include clam, chowder, and Tom. Tom Brady and where they take their politics, very seriously. We'll have that when we come back. There. It is three weeks from tonight, the first democratic debates right here on this network. It's a two night event kicks off Wednesday, June twenty six again, there may be periodic reminders on this network that this event is coming tonight. We're continuing our new series of reports the road to Miami as our own Steve Kornacki, breaks, down everything we need to know about the critical states all along the teaming and vital north-south Carter of I ninety five last night. We were in the granite state of New Hampshire tonight, we are crossing into the bay state, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts still with us a man who, like my own father is a veteran a native of Massachusetts, Steve Kornacki, Steve dry. That's right away. I'm back in my home state, very excited here, there is so much I could tell you about Massachusetts about the bay state, but let's stick to the politics. One thing on this road to Miami. Heading south to Florida. There is probably not. A bluer state that we will go through then Massachusetts. In fact, there was a book that came out a few years ago that called Massachusetts, but bluest state, here's one way to put that in perspective, what you're looking at here is the congressional district map for Massachusetts. You don't see any red here nine congressional districts right now, every one of them represented by democrat. And guess what it is Ben this way for a generation in Massachusetts. The last time Republicans won a single house district in Massachusetts. You've got to go all the way back to nine thousand nine hundred ninety four Democrats are undefeated in house election since then no other state. This big has a streak like that for Democrats, Massachusetts produces a lot of democratic politicians. It also produces a lot of presidential candidates. There are three candidates for president right now who are from the state of Massachusetts three of them trivia question. Can you name him? Well, the first one, we all know Elizabeth Warren. She's running on the. Democratic side, townhall here on MSNBC tonight who else for Massachusetts. Seth Moulton congressman one of those Democrats is one congressional elections in Massachusetts. He's running. Although he's got a big test ahead, I bait coming up in a couple of weeks. He may not qualify for that debate. He's going to need some big news in polling, maybe or donations the next week or molten won't make it and there is a third presidential candidate for Massachusetts who is it? It's not a democrat. It's a Republican. It's one of the rare Republicans to actually win election in Massachusetts. Bill weld, the former governor of Massachusetts running against Donald Trump in the Republican primaries, I say Bill weld was governor of Massachusetts. He was governor of Massachusetts. Oh, while ago you got to go back to the nineteen nineties he was elected in ninety reelected in ninety four. And there've been a lot of different versions of Bill weld since those gubernatorial days, number one, he tried to become ambassador to Mexico. That's Jesse Helms who blocked his appointment back in ninety seven, by the way, look, who's looking on there. That's Joe Biden's we tried to be. Well, did the ambassador to Mexico that didn't work any move to New York? He ran for governor of New York in two thousand six lost at the state Republican convention, so that didn't work out for him. Then in twenty sixteen he was the vice presidential candidate of the libertarian party running with Gary Johnson. You see them together there. He's moved back to Massachusetts. And now rejoin the Republican party and is running for president, as we say against Trump in the primary. So he's up against what is welled up against in this challenge. Here's one way to put it in perspective. Here is Donald Trump's approval rating with Republican voters eighty nine percent. And it's just constantly at that level is entire presidency presidents who have received challenges in their own party primaries. Where were they with their own party's voters when those challengers emerged? The Bush senior Seventy-three percent Carter was at forty percent with Ted Kennedy ran against him Gerald Ford was at sixty percent. You don't see numbers like that, like Trump's number from. A president who face trouble with Nixon was at two percent. That was another challenge from Pete mcclosky that got much traction. So eighty nine percent Trump with Republicans that is one heck of a hurdle for well to overcome and what that translates into his. Here's a recent poll out of New Hampshire Trump seventy-two, well, twelve Republicans in New Hampshire a lot of them have heard of weld from his Massachusetts days. That's the kind of hurdle, he faces. They're just a president who has uniquely strong support with his own party outside the Republican party, obviously a different story, but Trump has a challenger and he's from Massachusetts. So we thought we would share that with you tonight. Right. Proud, Massachusetts native were awfully happy to have you here. Now, though, Steve Kornacki. Thank you very much. Look forward to tomorrow night, coming up for us on this Wednesday what it was like. And what was happening at this exact time, seventy five years ago when all we asked of our young men was to go and save the world. This night, seventy five years ago. Tonight was an uneasy evening across the beautiful Normandy, region of France. The occupying German troops spent the night chasing down rumors and random reports of troop and ship and plane, sightings people saw things. They heard noises across the French countryside. Members of the French resistance knew they knew what was coming, they'd been signaled days before when a three line snippet of poetry was read aloud on the BBC that was their signal. That's what told them that the allies would becoming by this. Exact time on that morning. Operation overlord was already underway, you know, to this day you can go out and walk in the craters of the American bombs at low tide. You can see the equipment, the allies left behind, and in some cases, died in, you can stand in the German bunk. And look out at the Atlantic, as, as they did when they realized they were about to die ninety seven percent of the men who fought in World War. Two are gone the remainder won't be with us, sadly, much longer today, a ninety seven year old veteran of the one hundred first airborne reenacted, the parachute jump. He had I made as a young man this time around he got to jump in daylight. He did it for all of his brothers, and he did it because he could for all who remain with us, and all who were lost let June six, which is now just moments away stand as a fitting, seventy fifth anniversary memorial to the boldest invasion in the history of modern warfare, the Titanic undertaking that cleared the way to the defeat of the Nazis. Let's hope for all time that is our broadcast for this Wednesday night. Thank you so much for being here with us. Good night from our NBC news headquarters here in new. New york. Hi, it's Mika Brzezinski here. Wanna keep up with morning Joe. 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