Episode 104: Minor Party Candidates For Comptroller Attorney General
From Amityville to sleepy hollow. From the ghostly Rapids theater in Agra falls to the curse Dakota building Manhattan and right here in the Oso haunted. Borough of Brooklyn is five PM on Halloween, and it's time for maximum fee. Your interview in call in show about the policies politics of people and people of New York City and New York state. I'm Jared Murphy from city limits dot org. My co host Ben max of Gotha dot com is not in today. He is out either cavorting with the dead or being a better better father than I and actually going trick or treating with his with his child collect to ban on the candy score. So we'll be with you for the hour. Just me solo. But with several friends we are about a week from election day less than a week from election day. And there's ample reminders around us of some of the stakes involved in politics, we've been discussing on this show, and and elsewhere you have the mailing of bombs. You have. Horrible shootings with a clearly Anderson medic bent to them. There is a report out about the extent of homelessness among students in New York City. We have new warnings about climate change and the president talking about birthright citizenship, and while not every one of these issues is framed in every race, we've discussed certainly it is all part of the political picture that we tried to give you on the show. There are a lot of elections on tap next Tuesday election day, November six there are a lot of candidates in the mixed. We have tried our best here to give you a taste of some of the different views that are on tap on your ballot by having as many candidates as we could. And we're gonna continue that idea today by having a sort of a speed dating round with five candidates from some of the statewide races. Three candidates running for attorney general from the reform libertarian and green party and two candidates for the post of New York state comptroller from the greens and from the libertarian ballot will be. Talking to them briefly about their plans ask a few questions and then move on. They it is to give you a taste of some of the choices. You have. You've obviously heard on this show from the Republican and democratic nominees for attorney general for comptroller, and from many of the candidates for governor all those actually except for governor Cuomo himself the democratic candidate. But I believe we have our first caller on the line. We're going gonna welcome to UBA is max Murphy show, Mr. Marc Donelly degreen party candidate for New York state, comptroller, Mark, welcome to the show. So talk to us briefly can about your reasons for running for this post, and what qualifies you to oversee the state's massive two hundred nine billion dollar pension fund. The big issue. I'm running is about the issue of climate change. And as you pointed out, the United Nations just issued a warning that we have years left to take dramatic worldwide. Unprecedented action, if we want solicitation as we know it five climate change, even the New York Post seem shook up by that report and treated very seriously. A very simple step, which I've been working for the last five years or three fifty dialogue, which we've managed largely at New York City to do is to divest the state pension fund from fossil fuels. We've had thousands of the last five years agree to do this seven point two trillion dollars, new state controller won't do it won't be with us. So I decided to run against him report came out recently that it'd be a domestic ten years ago when he first to office the pension nature twenty two billion dollars. So it's both morally wrong to invest in the destruction of the. Planet, but it's also a bad financial decision. A decision that Princeton supporter, stay controller. Thompson Jill who's been every four to Napa Alie has repeatedly stressed we need to get out. Why these stocks have some value at the same time last week, we had the acting state attorney general decide after three year investigation to sue Exxon for lying to the world. But typically to the investors about the risks posed by climate change. So here we have the controller trying to defend that I wanna keep a billion dollars in Exxon. So that they'll hear my voice. I don't know what they're hearing. Why the attorney general is saying they have the frauded the investors including the state pension fund, and they need to be helping intially cannibal interns, my own background. You know, have a law degree graduated top of my class with the as a science and management. Ran nonprofits were thirty forty years statewide, I'm one of the few former elected. Fissures in New York state who can say that every year, I was elected office. I cut taxes on one of the reasons I did that was I used the techniques learned in the nonprofit field put everything out to bid and one thing that occurred was the county democratic chippers in my county went to prison for two years because it turned out before I became the town board member he was skimming money out of the town insurance contracts when I put that out to bid that became expose. I've had a record of going after corruption. I started the New York public interest research group as a law student. I wrote the law that gave taxpayers right to sue for legal expenditure taxpayer funds and many of the reforms at town to Napoli have been willing to champion on how to deal with things like ecconomic development and open government rashly things that I worked on twenty twenty five years ago through the hunger action network in the Piscopo policy institute. So talk a more about divestment because controller Thompson happily who has been in office since early two thousand seven he has. Has announced recently and did complete divestment of the state's pension funds from the private prison industry. But he has not as you said embraced divestment from carbon related stocks. What's the rationale that he gives to that? Explain the difference between the two because he argues the one hand we should not be using social considerations to make policy decisions. Then he did that with the private prison of now. I support the best and from private prison prisons, but it's inconsistent to make that and it also turns out the woman at the controller's office who is leading the fight against vestment when she recently retired. Was he was rewarded with a three hundred thousand dollars a year position on the board of one of the major fossil fuel companies in the states. It seems like it us, you know, conflict of interest that was occurring. He argues a shareholder advocacy. I wanna get my billion dollars worth their stocks. And and go work with Exxon. We're like we'll Tom fifty years shareholder advocacy has never succeeded. And in fact, since I started working on this campaign. I've discovered both that is all these resolutions are only advisory and in fact it. Illegal on the federal security Exchange Commission rules to actually pass or introduce a resolution say to keep Exxon to keep eighty percent of its fossil fuels in the ground. So why he continues to persist wish your older advocacy? I mean, I I knew that we probably couldn't get legislature to pass a Bill forcing Tom to act because remember Tom was actually state legislator and appointed by the state legislature. When heavy he was forced to to resign. So I knew they protect them. But I hope that if we could get fifty legislators to co sponsor a Bill to require state to divest from fossil fuels that he would wake up and do it. Well, we got fifty legislators to co-sponsor Bill, and if anything he, you know, drags speed on it. And in fact, he tends increasingly to actually you're typically talking points of the fossil fuel industry who increasingly profile him in their annual reports as responsible voice against the best, man. So like, for instance in this. Debate. The second debate was heard that I was excluded from you know, he says, well, I'm not going to divest because people are still driving cars. So it means that people haven't really committed to stop us and fossil fuels. Well, that's not really proper response. But one of the responses that he gives an other opponents development for he'll say, look, the chief job of the comptroller and the pension funds is to make sure all these hardworking former state employees get their guaranteed pension benefits without tapping into the tax payers to do it and that private prisons were few million dollars here there, you're talking billions and billions of dollars, and he's fossil fuel stocks, and it's simply unloading them and then trying to maintain the risk, balancing and the returns. And the pension fund is is fairly complicated. Maybe impossible. What do you say to that? Well, I will ask you just made my indexes it really isn't a whole lot of decisions. But as I stated earlier, if you know there have been studies that have had the best ten years. Ago. The state pension fund would have an extra twenty two billion dollars. So he's every single beneficiary on average about twenty thousand dollars by refusing to divest. I'm who is the acting. Stay control for the state has put out several studies said, yeah, you know, if I also was a good investment ten years ago. But for the last four years, they have underperformed every other part of the, you know, the Wall Street market, and when the world literally has said your product is killing life on this planet, and we're going to debate. Whether we're going to get rid of you in five years or ten years or twenty years, but we're getting rid of you. That's not a good business plan moving into the future. We did get New York City two years ago, the divest from coal probably people should be suing New York City and New York state for taking so long to divest phone call. Because by the time they divest. It wasn't worth a whole lot. You know right now. Exxon still has some value. But that is increasingly knock going to be the case, especially with more and more litigation going after them, you know, for the destruction they caused by driving climate change like hurricane sandy. But also the fact that they lied to the public even though they're scientists told them on the lies about the risk posed by climate change. They have huge financial liability from all these losses beginning to pile up. And the world is saying we cannot burn your product any longer. How is that? A responsible financial decision to continue to invest in something which the world has said we have to stop using this product. And also in all the. You know, actual data shows that the value has been decline in the last four or five years. We are on we're line with Mark Donelly. He's the green party candidate for state comptroller. Mark, let's say you are elected, and you go ahead with divest from fossil fuels there, obviously cost divest from other products to from farms manufacturers and companies that have bad labor records and people involved in any way in pornography or some of the calls and other states. How will you decide ultimately the funds gonna earn own stock in companies, and those companies are going to have let's say complex moral footprints? How do you decide what you stay in? And what you sell off. Well, I mean, you're supposed to get eight to eight point six percent rate of return, you know, on your investment now to be honest onto Napoli has been to three percentage points below the statutory requirement though, you know, he hasn't done. He's done worse than the rest of the pensions in the country. Not a whole lot worse. So I I we continue to, you know, make sure that we invest in things that attorney profit about for instance, I recently had a meeting with the head of the woman who runs the state energy department these days and one of these she pointed out wasn't in Europe. It has been the public pension funds that have driven the development of washer win that is why the gold mine was the Long Island is acid being developed by European when companies and one of the things that you know, these hedge fund which invest in washer a win, you know, they want, you know, an eighteen percent rate of return. So if we can invest in something say like washer win and get the eight point six percent raid returner APIs into we want. We can still make money, you know, for the state. But are there things that you know, does not make sense as a public policy matter for the state to continue invest in when I be willing to examine that. Yes. I would like to get, you know, a little stronger representation, you know, from the labor. Groups on some of these issues, they have a very strong role in the New York City pension plan. So I like to see more of that model at the state level. But I'm willing to consider other social considerations. You mentioned certainly we probably should not be invested in weapons manufacturers. So that is all tabby hadn't afraid, Mark. This is kind of a speed round. But thank you for calling in. That's Mark Donelly. He is the green party cat it from patrol. Thank you so much for joining us. Mark, good luck. Next tuesday. They jarred and up next moving right along we have the candidate for the libertarian party of the same office for New York state comptroller. You just heard from Mark Donelly, obviously, the democrat running for reelection as Tom to Napoli his Republican challenger whom you heard her a few weeks ago as Jonathan tricked. And now we have on Mr. Kruger Ghalib at who is the libertarian candidate, sir. Welcome to maximum Affi. Thank you here. So who tell us a little bit about who you are. And while you're running to be the the state's top financial officer. Well, I my background is in in corporate finance Wall Street back in the day. Had it got a MBA from Columbia, then went to work for General Electric Capital and worker private equity fund and now and now I may an entrepreneur starting a business called big overt or which. We hope to make a makeup explains with. And I still real estate and the reason had decided to run for this really the last libertarian libertarian since the seventies and kinda got discouraged. But then the last presidential election. We had we got three point six percent of the presidential vote. Which is amazing if we get five percent of that pushes up north federal funding situation. So we become you know, kind of recognize third party Vegas third party in the nation. So I think the nation's for party came sharp running for governor for your and that coming out of my laps look staring because of the guys guys really good. You know, tickets are our message. So well that I wanna do anything to help him run for governor and controls job. And I call it control and gonna comptroller control like in the private sector. You know? I think it's. It's one of the crimes of that is is how much power the control has on a front to doing pension fund and control answers knowing so I don't like that. I might to six that is best. I can not sure the exact solution. There's no order fifties. Overseeing it right now. So that basically gonna make squeaky clean, so absolutely no, no chance of of corruption graft. That's interesting point, the the city's pension funds, and there are five of them separate ones for like fire department retirees the cops and teachers, and and general government -ployees each of them has a board of directors. You know, some public officials some union members are union leaders, but the state pension fund, it really is just the comptroller who who over sees them. And and as you mentioned that is that's quite a bit of financial power. Yeah. Well. Tell me about being a libertarian, and you know, we had Mr. sharp on a couple of weeks ago for you. What is that? What does that mean? Exactly. Well, freedom comes first all across the board. Whether it's in the bedroom, or whether it's you know, or or whether you know, the size of government. The more government have lots. You know, I recognize never going to achieve jeans, and it's eighty proposition. But I think our goals are always be toward toward toward that goal. The the business of government. Put itself out of business. Imagine a world where we really don't government. That's that's you know, that's my dream. But it's it's also unattainable. That's where that's where. Every should be directed toward. How can we do the size of government? How can we empower people to, you know, take over the control of their lives? What do you think of the performance of the incumbent controller or controller town Hanks control? And and from what I understand he's done a decent job. He's he's putting some controls to prevent the kind of corruption that happened with the with the Brier controller, and so I think all always doing good job. The pension fund is one of the better ones out of fifty states in terms of of being close to covering. It's it's liabilities. I guess up in the ninety percent range, but you know, should be hundred. You know, why didn't trays pension fund that's covering ninety percent of its benefits. Anyway. So that that, you know, I I don't think he's back in troll. But I I think you know, a reason you remove for me is just a change. Thanks. He's been there. A long time. We don't know what's going on. I'm not saying he anything up. I don't know. He's he has complete control over the pension fund. So. Know, sure. And and we need to change we need to break up at the wobbly, this this democratic Republicans wealthy that's been running this country running the state for years and years and things don't get better. We need third party. So people are gonna vote. Especially in New York. I mean, if Republicans voted libertarian would give us a lot of power because you know, the Democrats are so much control New York. What kind of a waste vote stage. So one of the things that people talk about when it comes to the pension funds. You have this enormous pool of money at the state has to invest to get returns to pay their retirees with and money is power. And the question is how you wield that power of some of those investments go into New York state industries with the idea that that's supporting the business climate here. And then there's always the question of whether there are places that money should not go whether the state should divest from private prisons are from carbon related industries or for firearms manufacturers, what would be your approach to that. Do you feel as though any of those considerations should guide got investments? I think in general the the pension should be invested. The the best return. So I I would advocate and no clinically influence on where the money's new best. You know, I'm certainly not adverse to to directing money away from from what I consider not good invent where we're not socially conscious investments or not desirable. What again, I wanna make a squeaky clean engines on fun. So sweet he cleaned that. I really don't have that. It's one of the best practices of vesting for the best return for for the tirees. So we have just a couple of minutes left with Krueger gall at he is the libertarian candidate for New York state controller if you pronounce my KMart comptroller parents like me, so talk to me. I mean, this obviously Napoli is is favored in polls. It's up to the voters to decide I think it's safe to say that it's unlikely that you would win the post so what? Are your goals going into election day? What would constitute a good showing for you? And for the party. We the party. We need fifty thousand votes to to get over the top for becoming registered. Recognize party in New York state that way. Job easier on the next next election. So that that's certainly goal. I think I I don't know the latest polls. But I think Larry Sharpe's generally so much jazz. I think gee that easily. So so yeah, we're not gonna win. Say some last minute surprise it somehow getting over the top. But but that you know, that's our goal is to get up. Message of libertarians get out the message that that we third party and don't waste your vote. Both for us, even even if you don't agree with all our positions, you're bound agree with some of them so shop. Well, thanks very much for giving us a shot. Krueger gall at the libertarian candidate for comptroller. Good luck next Tuesday. And thanks for calling in. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. You're listening to maximum Urfi on WBAI ninety nine point five listener sponsored non commercial radio you're coming to you from the studios here on Atlantic avenue in Brooklyn less than a week before election day, we're doing some speed dating with some of the candidates who are among your options on the ballot next Tuesday for statewide offices. You heard from Mark Donelly green for come stroller. Just then Krueger GAO at a deliver. -tarian for comptroller. And now we're going to hear from some of the candidates for attorney general the other statewide race. That's out there on this program. You've heard from Keith wafford who is the Republican nominee many months back. We heard from Letitia James who was the democratic nod for that office. And now we're going to hear from the Reform Party. Can't it. Joining us on the line is miss Nancy sleep wa high man, welcome to maximum fee. Thank you for having me. So tell us a little bit about your background. What brings you to this race? Well, my background is I'm gonna Turney for over ten years in New York. I I had a a solo practice initially following law school where I concentrated mostly on criminal defense and family law and following that I've been in discovery, which is like a field of litigation, and you know, but, but I I would say what kind of Rodney really here was for over ten years. I've been working with homeless animals in New York, and that's been just more of a passion of mine. And actually, that's really like the cornerstone of my my candidacy promoting animal rights, they wide. So talk about how the attorney general's office, which is very interesting office a lot of power, but really can't be shaped greatly by the individual stamp of whoever has it. How would that office lend it so? Self to defending animal rights. Well, I I was having. For one for one example. I think that you know, I mean, my platform definitely is having no kill shelters now. In terms of there are contracts there's actually a contract now that's going through New York City to attempting to be passed which would continue the the city run shelters through animal care and control which is a kind of a quasi city organization management. And it's about to have a thirty four year renewal contract. So anything like that would make absolutely no sense to have something that is going to carry that far into the future. So so having a hand in in that where number one there's different offices related to oversight of contracts. I mean, the I I don't even the idea that there's even a contract that would go thirty four years. It's kind of ridiculous particularly site on scene. But then really putting your your input in regarding. That where it's if you're going to be having animal welfare animal care, and you're not focusing it primarily on saving and preserving the animal lives, then to me, it's not really very well focused plan of action. So there's no reason that you are you know, that you need to continue forward with that. There's no reason that you have to do it. It's much more just having a an appropriate direction having a focused, and certainly someone to to lead the way on that. I mean, and even in terms of like the prosecutions against animal offenders, there's there's very sort of dismissive nature in all of the law in terms of people who committed abuses against animals, and that's something that can completely be reined in because the laws are already. They're they're on the books. It's just in terms of focusing on that. So the idea that people are being dismissed summarily because of this idea that well, you're just. Committing an abuse against an animal within statistically shown that people who are offenders against people start off as being offenders against animals. You have an ability to, you know, hit something the forefront before you start getting you know, sort of input on society. So there's there's really an incentive to try and leave the way on things like that. And again, this isn't even implementing new laws or or needing to have that done. To have that done actually holding all of the different, you know, attorneys offices. The the district attorney's offices to the to these offensive. I mean, someone's brought into there's no reason to give them a slap on the wrist and let them walk away. So that's some of the things I would I would say in relation to the animals so just to play devil's advocate, and I guess some of this might echo some of the dismissal you're talking about. But some of say, you know, we have tens of thousands of people at homeless shelters. We have an epidemic of domestic abuse corruption with public officials and their aides going to prison seems weekly among all those problems animal rights seems to rank relatively low in terms of what we should be thinking about what's your what's your reaction when someone says. And certainly that's not the first time that I've that I've heard that. And I do think that it's it's not to the exclusion of other things, but it's more of a particular focus. So so for instance, you know, even in terms of corruption like, I am part of their I am part of the Reform Party and one of the biggest platforms in the Reform Party is having term limits, and you know, like so like that right there. So I believe in the concept of term limits and also the idea of really getting people like civically engaged and involved. I mean, I was in court yesterday. I was in sat down supreme court for a case related to the New York City ballot and the ballot layout is so completely confusing. And it's almost like it would be easier to figure out if you can legally. Park in midtown Manhattan, and it would be voting for the candidate on an appropriate line or or just a setup up the ballot at self. They have to pages they already introduced it. Instead all the -ticipant that it's not gonna work. Now, you're talking about this and franchising voters at the exact moment in which they can present their input. And I was there to say this need actually be brought this cease to be brought back you need to actually redo the ballot. You need to actually set it up differently. And I had the New York City board of elections with nine attorneys on the other side of me, presenting a case, which is more or less on behalf of voters and people and just and just kind of getting out the awareness for voter engagement. So you can sort of see how a lot of these bureaucracies can really be overbearing. And I mean, again, they're they're being paid for a taxpayer dollar. So again like in terms of bringing back to like my animal. Issue. That's my focus because I definitely want to bring attention to that. And from a an overall perspective, many people throughout the state, the majority of people in New York, they own animals, and the majority of them are against, you know, kill shelters. So if you can bring home one particular issue in one particular area and start to set it up on the right course, and and actually set like a, you know, a good standard. I think that you have a lot more hope in other areas. I mean, the attorney's general office, unfortunately, in many ways, it's very circumscribed. Like, you can't just, you know, do whatever you want to do. So even some of the candidates who are running for office, like the Republican and democrat and a lot of claims on I'm going to be filing these suits against Trump, and this and that like, you whatever feeling they may have the legitimacy of their ability to do so. And then also the affects. Even if they were able to do so like, there'd be no chance of them bringing back anything to New York or benefiting New York or them winning. So to me that's a lot of political grandstanding to begin with. So, you know, I I don't think that there's a lot of substance behind what a lot of the candidates are saying, but if you can actually start to hone in on one particular area that's not done correctly and really start to set the standard. I mean, the staff of the attorney general's office is I mean almost three hundred attorneys. I mean, there's enough people to do it where I think you can really make a main go to issue, really, meaningful and powerful and resonate. So we're on with Nancy Steve Waugh, she is the Reform Party Kennett for attorney general, and I'm curious just taking the animal welfare issue to be a little more more broad if you're the attorney general for the entire state, one might wonder New York state has a lot of dairy farms at has several horse racing tracks these are areas where some advocates have said. There is a different form of annual animal cruelty than you see in shelters with people of using animals on the street or their own pets. Do you think that if you are training, you would want to look at animal welfare? A more broadly. Yeah. Absolutely one hundred percent. I I mean, again, I I know that from a very very broad perspective. Like, unfortunately animals are just subject to so much types of abuse from just being in the the the food to being experimented onto to being just considered by law property, so there's really no rights. No one can really fight for them. No, one can really defend them. There's there's really big vacuum in terms of that. So the other areas. Absolutely, I agree with and I do I I mean, I'm aware of the the issue with the horses the horse racing. I personally I'm not on board with that. I don't think that you should be really really utilizing these animals and that type of way to begin with. But again, I think that's the point if there's really no standard set up where they are just viewed as property consistently. Then you have this sort of continual elements of abusing them, and every sort of way. Like, I mean, even with the idea of homeless shelters. So when women who are, you know, you know, fleeing an abusive situation, and they go to shelter. The fact that none of the shelters will take any animals that the, you know, the woman the family have. I mean, there are actually people will stay in an abusive situation because the shelter just hasn't, you know, come to the mindset that well, gee, maybe we should allow these people to bring their animal, which in many instances is going to actually bring a lot of comfort to them. I mean, you see animals being introduced into schools, you see them being introduced into prisons nursing homes like there's so many ways to integrate them in really meaningful types of scenarios. It's just that New York's really like behind the times like so even even with the idea of rat control. And there's there's this consistent element of putting down poisons to attack. The, you know, the over abundance of rat. Which is like, you know throughout all of this throttle. I mean, I'm sure throughout parts of the state as well too. But just to say, well, why would you be putting down poisons when they're actually does exist? Having cats who live in colonies who take care of the rat. It's like a natural deterrent, and we're quite behind because states throughout the United States have implemented it this into programs in their system, and they're actually funding it, and they're very successful. And they've been able to avoid a lot of these issues. So the fact that every other day, you know, there's a ten million dollar program of Radic radicalization. One area, they're just randomly distributing poisons. And and putting them in parks where kids play where people said where we're pets are being walked. I mean, we're birds are interacting like there's just very little, you know, like advance sort of thought in terms of what are the implications of this? And why would you not take the road of that on the path of least resistance if you could when the? Turn. It is is these options, which are actually costly dangerous. So, you know, it's just more of a realistic approach is stuff. And unfortunately, I think that that's kind of what happens when you do have a lot of the two party system. Type element is like third party candidates like myself, obviously, it's very tough to get even airtime. So first of all, I really appreciate the fact that you're having me on here. But I was with one of the other candidates running for attorney general at N Y spectrum news about a week and a half ago trying to say, well, how come you know, why we should be included in the debates for the attorney general, and it was at the same time that the two major party candidates had decided to back out because they were showing solidarity apparently with the striking workers. And we said, okay. Well, then in the alternative will why would you not have us on at one time at a different day? They and then all of a sudden, the two candidates change your mind, and then they had the debate yesterday, and we weren't included. So I mean, it's it's very tough to make headway in in terms of a lot of the mainstream media. But I think a lot of the public is is pretty hip to that already. An and they also look elsewhere to very glad we have you on. And actually, I'm going to let you go because we're going to bring on I think one of your fellow third party Kenneth for AG, but Nancy sleeper from the referring performed party. Thanks very much for coming onto UBA. Thank you. And let's turn quickly now to another candidate for attorney general we're going to hear now from Chris Garvey? He's a libertarian running for that office. Mr. Garvey, welcome the WBAI. Thank you very much. So who you who you are? And and why you're running for this office. Okay. I'm a patent attorney, and I'm running again, I last ran in nineteen in two thousand and six against Cuomo because the libertarian party asked me to run, and I believe in the libertarian principle, and it's a good way to promote the principle. And it's possible. I could win in a five way race where I'm the only pro gun candidate of that. And the anti gun is all split their their vote. There's a possibility there. So the libertarian principle is that people should be free to do whatever they want except to initiate force threat of force or fraud against other people their property and laws and regulations should be tested against a libertarian. Principal law has another purpose like banning hemp. So that big oil companies didn't need to compete with these loyal, which is by the way, CO two neutral. If you believe in what warming, I wouldn't enforce that law, and I also wouldn't enforce laws that violate the constitution. So talk to me about pro gun if you were to win the trainer office. How would you use the powers of that office to to pursue a pro gun agenda? Well, I certainly wouldn't prosecute anyone who was designed was arrested for a a gun possession or carrying charge or knife possession or carrying charge, which is one of the one of the abuses that New York state has been doing and particularly New York City, New York City police had a tendency to rest people were carrying ordinary pocket knives which were too easy to deploy. Because you could grab the blade and use the weight of the handle to swing the thing open. Then it snapped opening locked you're carrying a gravity knife or a switchblade, well, which is the safest knife man on a mass can use as a as a sailor who spent quite a number of. Hours up mass rocking around. It's nice to be able to hang on with one hand and deploy your knife with another pulling out of your pocket been all safely up the mast pull the knife out of your pocket. Click it open at lock safely now, you can use it to to accomplish the task released a lot close it again put it back in your pocket, but you can't do that in New York state legally because it would be considered a gravity knife. So moving away from from sailors knives for second back to guns not prosecute anyone who was accused of criminal possession of a weapon. If that's the only accusation. No, I would not. And in fact, I would soon to the state of New York to involve invalidate several laws one of them. The Sullivan law the Pataki gun ban, the New York safe act, and and the knifeless the knife ban. The Sullivan law was designed to protect muggers because big Tim Sullivan was a gang leader. And the way he would win his state Senate seat in. In nineteen eleven before was he would go into the democrat club with his gang members. And they would beat up all the opposition. And throw them out the windows, and that would reduce the number of opponents in the building and he would somehow win his nominations Handley. And then he would go out to the Senate. Well, he was having a problem in that people knowing what a bad neighborhood, they were going into would arm themselves before they went there, and they were shooting his supporters who were Roberts. They made their money by by mugging people. And I think he said something racist like it's getting so you can't even shakedown at dago shopkeeper fresh off the boat without getting shot. And he thought that was outrageous that as a Irish Protestant that he should be able to disarm the blacks the Italians and the Irish Catholics and that was the purpose of the Salvator now. He the the law made the police chief the sole arbiter of who got license and the police chief in New York happened to be in the pocket of big Tim Sullivan was an corrupt and those days. And so would you support? I'm curious. How far you're not goes. Are there any weapons that you feel a person in the United States can be barred from possessing poison gas nuclear weapons things like that. I routinely fire a cannon on the village green in Huntington as part of it or or Nachman, you have to be very careful with that. Because even though you're not Firelight firing a projectile is on death of about seventy five feet in front of the cannon barrel. But no, I don't think most conventional weapons should be banned from from people the purpose of of the right to bear arms is to arm, the the militia and the who. Was the militia New York state under state law and in the United States under federal law? The militia is all able bodied males between the ages of eighteen and forty five or not in the military or in the organized militia. So the unorganized militia is everybody. And that's that's what the legal definition is. We're all we were all we were in and I'm over forty five now. So I'm I'm not in the unorganized militia, but the purpose of that laws so that we all have weapons, so we're invaded. We can shoot at the invaders. If our government goes bad on us, which which are founders realized was always a possibility. In fact, that's that's why the checks and balances of the constitution were so elaborate to prevent that sort of pure from from rising up on a posed the people can overcome the government if there are enough of them, and there and most of them are armed now. What what does this mean if you get into a situation where some crazy guy goes? Massacre somebody will in Israel. When somebody crazy goes to massacre Israelis or somebody who's are terrorists. Those demand massacre Israelis with a gun. He doesn't get very far he usually get shot by some arms billion. And so they don't do that in Israel. And that in fact is what happens in the United States. If you wait for the police to arrive to stop a mass shooting, you're likely to have most more than seventeen people dead. Whereas if you if a citizen stops the shooting at something like to people that and if it's an unarmed citizen, it's like two point six people dead, and if it's an armed citizen. It's only like one point two people dead on the average. So the best solution to mass shootings is to have so many armed people around that it doesn't make sense to shoot somebody mass shooting. Have mostly been the successful ones. If you prepared successes killing a lot of people have mostly been in gun free zones. And of course, New York City for practical purposes is a gun free zone places. Like the Empire State building or pretty well guaranteed to be free. Because none of the spectators are gonna have guns there and school shootings will most schools are gun free zone. So what better place to bring your gun and shoot a lot of people gain a lot of publicity? If that's your purpose so gun free zones or bad thing and New York state. A lot of New York state is a gun free zone and the one place where they actually require everybody to have a gun is the place in New York state where they have the least prime. Because why would you try to commit violent prime again, somebody that might be armed? It's dangerous in Florida. They made it possible to get gun licences about seven or eight percent of the people had gun licences as more and more people had them. Filing crimes went down. Carjacking was a big problem. Once people were armed carjacking went down except that they had the Z's on the rental car plates. And so question is just sitting in New York City. We do have various gun laws here and the murder rate has dropped precipitously here over the past twenty years even over the past five absent the introduction of any new right by citizens to carry firearms. How do you explain that? Well, some of it is funding by the police, they they don't like to take reports of murder and violent crime. So they will discourage those reports of murder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They've been several stories on NPR about stuff like that. Where somebody tried to report a crime and police didn't wanna hear it. But that's don't do that in other states where they have unrestrained in laws Guiliani setup this this sort of audited policing system, which was a good idea because it enables are keeping honest testing. That's able the police to figure out where the crime is. And concentrate the police forces in those areas, and that may be partly responsible for the reduction in crime it may indeed. Well, we have to say goodbye to Chris Garvey, the libertarian candidate for Torney general, Mr. garbage, thanks for joining us and good luck. Next tuesday. Thank you and. Burton. Thank you very much for doing the show. Thank you. And now we're gonna welcome the fifth and final candidate on our speed dating program of maximum Urfi. This is Mr Michael susp in. He is the green party candidate for Jenny general, Mr. Sussman. Thanks for joining us. Great to be with you longtime listener so feel sorry. There would be station. How are you doing? Well. Thank you for listening. You don't know who you are tell us who you are. And while you're running for attorney general. I've been a civil rights Lear near state for forty years and Harvard Law School graduate nineteen seventy eight went to the orbit of Justice civil rights division when that department decided that white men with the most endangered group decided to leave the end up Lacey pe- national office, where I was in charge of much litigation between nineteen eighty one and eighty six including the Yonkers case, which I started litigating turns housing school cigarette. Gatien patterns in nineteen eighty one started my own law firm focused on civil rights law race sexual harassment will forms of discrimination in nineteen eighty six had my own practice since nineteen eighty six focusing on those areas, and increasingly environmental despoil, ation and degradation in New York state. So I'm running for general very simply because both political parties in states need express. The do believe corruption. I believe that the democratic candidate has essentially jumped into bed with Mr. Cuomo or put money, I think Republican candidates no experience in court public loss been a corporate lawyer last twenty five years, I think the attorney general should be an active with Gators. I have been for forty years now that all basic areas of law able to lead attorney general's forces six hundred seventy two orders and -firmative where the Gatien dealing issues of our state, not simply defending reckless state agencies. I would radically alter the way turning general's office does business I would mediate negotiate and embrace restorative Justice solutions and many of the cases that are now being litigated over the years. Protracted by years, I would focus the attorney general's office on protecting the public health and safety of our citizens and residents. On helping individuals who are selling, for instance, get jobs because discrimination against them as against state statutes, I have a broad program for anti corruption in the state, which would feature giving our attorney general your she started to extirpate corruption from public affairs in our state, which thirty now does not reside turn general New York, except when delegated by the governor, which is an absurd ironing. Let's stay there for a second. I don't trouble important point in. It's come up in the debate. So often this among candidates because of that because the governor is the one who under the current setup has to give the attorney general authority to probe corruption. How do you get around that given that I'm assuming if you were elected attorney general the governor is someone you'd be taking a look at? Well, I think it would be such a revolutionary earthquake green party candidate one. I've been campaigning all around the state. I find tremendous support walking the communities I walk and expected to very well. Next tuesday. I think if that were to happen mandate for me or whoever whoever was elected, but it certainly if I was elected mandate legislative change, which which rested with the attorney general the thar take to both investigating prostitute political corruption, and it's a great irony in New York, currently every major case of corruption whether it be silver scale of Samson per cocoa. Whoever is brought by Donald Trump's Justice department. I don't believe from t-shirt James change, nor do I believe for a moment that Mr Wohlfart change that I think they would go along with that they talk about corruption, but they have no program deal with you need massive campaign finance reform in New York, you need a program in New York, which says the attorney general has RT that has to come to the legislature passed by the legislature. The governor governor vetoed it, I think the governor could be impeached. Tranquil don't think would happen was passed legislature. And you need a very vigorous program, we have paid a place. Route state. This governor is taking a hundred million dollars nine years. Eighty five percent of which is come for major corporate interests this James now slid over and his taking the same kind of money, Mr. Mr. Wolford comes from corporate background, and his obviously taking that kind of money limited my contribution to one hundred dollars per person, no money from any of the corporation. I'm the only litigator in this race was any significant experience in federal state court case. Scream court of the United States three hundred fifty appeals federal appellate courts state appellate courts this state needs. Someone who is prepared and ready, Linda gate major cases against the Trump administration and against state agencies, which won't follow the war. And I've done that. Forty seven hundred African American Latino workers with being denied promotions in New York discriminatory promotional Zams. I'm the one who stepped up represented them got that exam. Stricken got them. Forty five million dollars school children in Yonkers being segregated beating segregated against the -scriminate against generations. I actually got three hundred million dollars to radically make the Yonkers public schools. These other candidates, quite frankly have records that that Trink that. I don't care what party. They are. He's turning general. The New York should be an independent individual not behold, we the political party. We only have a very limited time left. But I want to ask the issues of race particular has comes to the criminal Justice system. Come up a lot in discussions around. How the turn general's office might be used you have a lot of experience in that sphere. What would be your top priorities in that regard? If you're elective. What would be the top Virgen in terms of reforms the state needs most important. Thing that has to happen to me is two things detail of form, and there has to be much greater accountability. Sentencing. Those things are not really within the bailiwick of the attorney general and people talk about this. They are frankly, just just talking we have to have a program in New York that's enact legislation that stops pudding day on individuals who have committed minor crimes who actually then served much time waiting trial they'd ever serve. They will convict. You have to have an aggressive program of bail reform in the state. That's one. Camping, but we have so many profound issues in terms of the school to prison pipeline right now in New York state. We have students in every major city less than ten percent of that position grades three to eight and nothing attics in English. That is a prescription for perpetuation on exactly we've had generation generation New York, which is tragic outcomes. Very young people fought too, many call him up in system described you need thorough realistic overhaul those details systems change that. I started doing that. In Yonkers I think I have the ability, but I'm not running for governor, Mike for Torney general, very general has to job on these issues. But veer she does not have under dental sponsored -bility for these institutions and anybody running who says they do is falling themselves. Well, I'm afraid Mr. I can't believe up with time. But we are coming to the end of the show. 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