Trump And Kim's Second Nuclear Summit Ends With No Deal
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You hear it? All right. Here's a show. Hey there. It's the NPR politics podcast, President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Hoon left their summit in Hanoi with no agreement on denuclearization. We had some options at this time. We decided not to do any of the options. And we'll see where that goes. But it was it was a very interesting two days. And I think actually it was a very productive today's. But sometimes you have to walk as a wise man once said, you gotta no one to hold them know into fold them know win to walk away. I'm tamra Keith. I cover the White House. I'm Scott Horsely. I also cover the White House. And I also cover the white now. It is a full White House team here. But I assure you are on the other side of the world with President Trump in Vietnam. Currently in a motorcade is that right yet on our way to the airport about to get on Air Force One and hit out. But I had to talk to you guys. I absolutely. So thank you for making this happen. The last few hours have been quite a whirlwind. There had been a signing ceremony on the president's schedule. That didn't happen. There was a press conference. It got moved up. Tell us about what it's been like for the last few hours. Yeah. I mean, the summit started, and it seemed to be going along as normal. And then Trump was saying that he wasn't in a Russian. He'd said something like, you know, I can't speak today. But I think we'll have something long time. So he did things kind of signaling that he's in expect something today. But I think we thought that there would some types of agreements we were waiting for a war. And lunch and waiting for a very long time. And then we're told that there had been a change of plans, and it became clear that you were leaving without any anything in writing or any type of commitment or read that from either side, you know, heading into this there. There had been a lot of questions like will the president just make a deal to make a deal, and you know, a lot of foreign policy heads had been had been sorta worried about that. And now there is no deal. Know, it seems like maybe the political outcome in the foreign policy outcome or sort of are sort of different. It does seem like there's a difference in in. What President Trump was saying was you have to know when to walk away. You can't basically just go along with a bad deal. Now, what I will say is we are over here, Vietnam. This was not quick trip. Even though it wasn't like the first summit where it was historic where trumping Kim never met before a big deal. And so I don't know that the only options were a dealer Nobile typically what you would do before he came all the way across the world is you would have something worked out, and you would know that you walking away with something. And if you put in reach the deal, you kind of figure that out before you got here, and there was a White House team in Hanoi of glass weaker. So that had been trying to sort of nail down the points. And oftentimes you use the summit as kind of a forcing mechanism to to. To really get her when it sharpen their pencil, and and put their best offers on the table in this case, they obviously couldn't come to terms. So we're we're sort of in a holding pattern. The president did say before traveling to Vietnam that he was not in a hurry so long as there was no renewed missile testing, no renewed nuclear testing, and he did say he got assurances from Kim Jong own that he did not plan to restart missile tests or nuclear test at the same time as the New York Times, David Sanger pointed out during the news conference. The the North Koreans are using this time to continue to expand their nuclear stockpile. So in in some ways the clock is ticking. Even though the president says, he's not feeling any real pressure. Can we dig in on sort of what Kim Jong Hoon came into that room wanting and and what President Trump wanted and why they couldn't connect president. Trump says North Korea was basically demanding a complete lifting of the. International economic sanctions that have been putting pressure on Pyongyang. And in return, Kim Jong UN was only willing to guarantee limited curbs on North Korea's outlawed nuclear program that wasn't good enough. And that's why President Trump's has. He ended these talks without an agreement. The president did end up having a press conference that lasted almost an hour. Isha you got called on by the president. I did I was in a red shirt. So I think he couldn't miss me. And I was at the second row. So I did get called on it. And basically asked you know, once the President Bill going to wire completely relation. Thank you, Mr President June. I just wanted to clarify when you talk about what you would be willing to give up all of the sanctions for are. You still thinking that you want North Korea to give up everything to do complete verifiable. Don't want to say. I don't want to say that you live auctions. Yeah. It's a good question. I don't want to say that to you. Because I don't want to put myself in that position from the standpoint of negotiation. But you know, we want a lot to be given up and we're giving up, and we'll have to we'll be helping them along economically us, and other many other countries are going to be helping they're going to be in there. They're prepared to help sit that is kind of stunning that. I mean, I think he went into this the whole thing with Kim Jong UN as the US policy being complete denuclearisation complete verifiable denuclearization. And now he's saying he doesn't want to be putting a box while. Yeah, he seems to be kind of opening the door. They're saying, well, maybe they don't have to give up everything before we eat the thanking and Scott you were in Singapore. Does that sound different to you? Yes. And the position at the outset of before the Singapore summit was. North Korea must completely do nuclearise before the US is willing to lift sanctions. And in the run up to this summit. There were some hints from the Trump team that while the core sanctions would remain in place until there was complete verifiable. Irreversible denuclearization, there might be some wiggle room to take some goodwill building measures before you saw that. And that seems to be at the president's talking about there. Although as you could hear his answer to Asia, he he's just reluctant to be pinned down. I think there was there was some concern among even hardliners in his own administration that maybe the president would cut a deal at this summit that would lift some sanctions and not get much return. Obviously, we didn't see that. But he does seem to be leaving that door open. He did say that even though he's walking away. This was not a storming out. This wasn't a walkaway like you get up and walk out. Now, this is very. Hundley. We shook hands we. You know, there's a there's a warmth that we have. Now hope that stays I think it will he and cameras still on good terms and leaving the door open to further further talks. And I think that's an important point. Yeah. And but we haven't heard from him. So I guess the question that I have is Kim still the same way. And the prisoner also suggested that he's not planning to for example, resume the joint military exercises with the South Korean. So it's kind of a holding pattern from the North Korean side as well. And he said, he's not planning necessarily to have a third son. It anytime soon. I mean, you know, coming into this there there were people that were worried he would just make a deal. So is this. Ultimately, a good news story that the president didn't make a bad deal. I think that they're experts were concerned that he was gonna kinda give away the store in return for nothing or in return, not very much. We'll be remedied that that didn't happen. But there is a quest Matthau of where do you go from here? And he has this kind of big summit happen. You have another one. So now, okay, we're in this holding pattern. How do you get out of it? Trump has talked you know, from his from his art of the deal book about just what he said today that you have to be willing to walk away. And so in some ways he has he has demonstrated. He does have that willingness important because we're anticipating another major summit as early as next month possibly at mar-a-lago with Chinese press. President Xi Jinping. And there've been some of the same concerns there will Trump cut a trade deal that maybe is not adequate just for the sake of making a deal in a way. Maybe this kind of is a signal to president. She I'm not gonna do that. If you wanna make a deal, you better be prepared to bring something to table. Okay. So where does this all go from here? That's a good question. I kind of asked the president at up because you know, until there's a deal we looked real we'll continue developing its weapons program. And basically, what President Trump said is that they know more testing are you concerned if you're not able to reach an agreement that the testing will start again or that in that while all of this time said the testing continuing to develop their programs showed the testing will not start. He said that he's not going to do testing of rockets or missiles or anything having to do with nuclear and all I can tell you is. That's what he said. And we'll see this is. There hasn't been any nuclear or missile tests by the North Korean since twenty seventeen now. So that that is what something the Trump administration? Sees is a major accomplishment. Aisha a word is you are basically at the airport. So we're going to have to let you go yet. I will top team guys later. Thanks so much talking me. I gotta get on this twenty hour flight. All right. We'll see you on the other side. Okay. There are a couple of other things that came up at this press conference that we want to get into one is what President Trump said to Kim Jong own about auto warmbier the young American who had been held there for a long time and ended up being released in dying almost immediately. And also what President Trump said about yesterday's Michael Cohen hearing all of that after a quick break support for this podcast and the following message. Come from blue, FOX entertainment, presenting the new film, Saint Judy the inspiring and powerful true story of immigration attorney Jew. Would who led a landmark battle to establish legal rights for women seeking asylum? 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Isn't in North Korea and irreparably harmed during that time, and he was asked by a Washington Post reporter, David nakimora, whether that came up in in conversations with Kim Jong UN speak to him he felt very badly. But he knew the case very well. But he knew it later, and you know, you got a lot of people big country a lot of people and in those prisons in those camps. You have a lot of people and some really bad things happen to auto. So really, really bad thing. Why are you on? He tells me he tells me that he didn't know about it. And I will take him at his word that has sort of a familiar ring to it doesn't it? It does President Trump is has used similar terminology. When when talking about his conversations with the crown prince in Saudi Arabia regarding the killing of the journalist Jamal kashogi and also in in how he talked about. Out. What led Amir Putin told him about Russian election interference? It is interesting though, because the president has talked about auto warm beer, he he highlighted the warm beer family in his state of the union speech last year. Now, the White House prefers to talk about Americans who have been released safely from North Korea as a sign of sort of improving relations between Washington going on. Now, the thing that we were all waiting for leading up to this press conference was what will President Trump say about the day long hearing with Michael Cohen in the house oversight committee, and he was only asked one question about it. What's your response to Michael Cohen? Well, it's incorrect and reporter was Jonathan Karl from ABC news. He lied a lot. But it was very interesting because he didn't lie about one thing. He said no collusion with the Russian hoax. And I said, I wonder why. He didn't just lie about that too. Like he did about everything else. I mean, he lied about so many different things. And I was actually impressed that he didn't say, well, I think there was collusion for this reason or that he didn't say that he said, no collusion. He definitely found the parts that he wanted to hear in Cohen's testimony. And and there were parts of Cohen's testimony that we're beneficial to him the president actually exaggerated a little bit the extent to which Cohen spoke about collusion. Michael Cohen said he wasn't aware of any collusion in the he had no direct evidence that the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia, but he also suggested he had his suspicions. There were other parts of Coen's testimony that were favorable to the president. But in general, Trump tried to put the most favorable spin on what his former lawyer had said, while also attacking Cohen's credibility that was also the tact that most of the Republicans on the house oversight committee took yesterday. And just I don't know that this is media observation or whatever, but the president called on a lot of foreign. Reporters in this press conference who asked policy questions about China, North Korea, and Japan, and and all of these other issues, I mean, he was at a summit in Hanoi regarding North Korean nuclear matters. So maybe it makes sense that that there wasn't a ton of questions about home. But it was sort of a surprise the president did over call on a lot of American reporters. And with the exception of giancarl, they mostly stayed focused on the talks in Hanoi. As opposed to what was going on back here in Washington. I almost wonder if the fact that the president walked away from the table here was more surprising and therefore more of a subject for questions than. Sort of a partial nuclear deal might have been had there been a more of a DO perhaps we would have heard more questions about Michael Cohen. There is another podcast in your feed from not that many hours ago. 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