BGN #162 I Gabrielle Union and Jessica Alba & Filmmakers Stefon Bristol and Frederica Bailey
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Sixty two of the black girl nerds podcast. My name is Jamie. And I'm your host this episode features interviews from actresses Gabrielle union, and Jessica Alba who are suppose starring together in a project called L finest. And our second segment features interviews from filmmakers to Bristol and co writer for Drako Bailey of the new Spike Lee Sifi time travel adventure see you yesterday. So sit back relax and enjoy episode one sixty two of the black girl nerds podcast over segment is hosted by cat combs. And our second segment is hosted by limit nNcholas LA's. Finest follows Sydney said Burnett played by actress Gabrielle union who was last seen in Miami taking down a drug cartel. She now loved her complicated pass behind to become an LAPD. Detective paired with her new partner. Nancy McKenna played by actress, Jessica Alba, a working mom with an equally complex past Burnett is pushed to examine whether her unapologetic lifestyle might be masking a greater personal secret. These two women don't agree on much, but they find common ground when it comes to taking on the most dangerous criminals and Los Angeles LA's finest premiers may thirteenth on spectrum on demand. Hello. Yeah. On my favorite. Definitely. And I can say I love this show seem three episodes. They gave us. Oh. That's so great sorts jump in. How does it feel to playing character? Having. Dove into a while until come back. You know, it was dope about bad, boys. Two that she was undercover. So you saw her in. In her job as as she's trying to character. And in the few bits of time where she was just herself she kind of needed to be saved by brother in her liver. So it left a huge space for us to create our own mythology that sort of separate from the bed ways university verse it, and we got to learn what you know, where she came from what what her fears, and her desires and her foundation is was and where she's trying to go, you know, it's kind of the joy in the cursive underdeveloped characters and action franchises. So it allowed us to create this huge world. So I didn't I wasn't exactly tied into anything really wasn't as much defied. Right. So without Marcus in Mike, Larry, I get to be sid. And who the hell is sit back to define what that was far cells with two chicks leading the charge to finding ourselves as characters in his business women in his. As creative nice and the two characters both Claire different. We have the family mom with the house kid has been we have the single. I don't care kind of shake run motorcycle. What kind of of yourself? Do you bring to your characters? Yeah. I mean, I think we both brought you know, I think what we fuse. Most of all we just wanted to make sure that these characters are people that you want to hang out with and that you want to be friends with I think that was like the biggest. Totally. That was the biggest thing. For me, Nancy isn't a lick seasoned mom. She this is her first year into being a stepmom to a teenager. And so that's more like, a friend, you know, different than I've been on for ten years to like people, you know, who who break my heart every day. I think it's a different relationship, especially because this is her first year kind of doing that. And I think that's like it's a scary place because like she loves this kid, and and there's so much as you watched the show, and you went past the show there's so much fulfillment. That she gets from just having a strong family unit because that wasn't something that she ever had. And so she puts a lot on this new relationship. And I think that's like fun to explore until much as as if you are what do you think about yours? I mean, I kind of recall that especially that period of time as a grown ass woman between. My divorce and being remarried thoroughly enjoying everything that life had to still trying to kick ass in my job and trying to to to to show that I'm capable and deserving. And and also trying to find myself who who am I if someone hasn't claiming or chosen knee and sit as interested in anyone choosing her actually she's like, it's like the opposite. It's like get out. You have served a purpose. Get up to go cups. So I kind of brought that sense of like wonder and joy at kind of being in my own space and exploring, my density and. My journey. What is motivating what is it that? I actually want out of life, but frequent goals that you get after, you know, failed relationships and. Not there yet in the show. Yes. Because like a lot of a lot of kind of who we are. We've been at different points in our life kind of come in and out of the show. I'd like to think just are pretty cool. Like, you know, I think I'd like to think that we bring, you know, we're cool checks people. Like, how does you know, pretty solid? We were in on the joke. We don't take ourselves series. We have good time. We'd like a bit of fashion like think like we kind of put that in show. In front of him behind the black girl, nerds podcast will return in just a moment. Lively lively offers a range of bras styles for all different body types. Available and thirty two a to forty four triple d shoes from bra let t shirt bras, push up bras, plunge, bras, and no wire bras. Find your new go-to pieces. Bra shopping goes from met to owed lively brings you a bra experience that leaves you feeling comfortable confident and part of a wider community of empowered women lively as we're high style meets alternate comfort, soft Babrak lounge worthy fits and clever. 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Yeah. I can come to me. Like, I don't have them. Okay. I'll have it. Not functioning on all cylinders you, you know, not every day you're gonna. Yeah. You're not firing. Also under is in it's fine. And I definitely don't have one liners. And so helps me with that every time every single time. Risher, and you've your chemistry on screen is great. And I just wondering watching I don't really know how long you have been partners on on those. It's about six months because nobody other. But then you're still learning. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Which I kinda liked. I was like, okay. I'm learning with you. They're learning about each other. And then it gets even darker and better. But then also more funny and intense like, it's all it's like all everything is heightened as you unpack the show and other show goes on crew. So you guys are both EP's on the show as well. What's that been like juggling acting the producing home babies? Yeah. Let's type in my guys. I think anyone who works and has any other life that they care like some people have. I've a startup that they're working on and then they have their day job. And you're figuring out how much do you get to this? I that someone who has a relationship that they really care about. They also want to be very successful in their work life or school life, or whatever it is. They're doing over here. Everyone is trying to figure out how to prioritize time. And there's only only so much you can do in one day. And I think you just try and bite off what you cannot moment. And you try to be present. But I think that's that's a struggle for anyone who is more than one thing. Right. Not me. For years. I've been listening to my husband do interviews about all sorts of things and no one has ever asked to. You know, full kiss. No one's ever asked about how do you keep his balls in the air because there's not an expectation for him to do that. There's an discussion for to sort of you know, that he got full custody. Purcell out, you know, some responsibility in in lead on village that was the expectation the expectation is as long as you bring on the check we're not really gonna hold your your feet to the fire for any other area of your life. And so I kind of took that off. I'm like, I'm not doing that. What I am going to embrace is I'm going to let myself off the hook. I mean, do my best. I'm going to ask for help. I'm going to lean on other people. I don't wanna be the only I want to be the boss chick. I want to be work with somebody who's equally yoked to equally full life who actually gets it. So I can ask for help. I can I can we can figure out who's gonna play good cutback top every day and in win. You know, my surrogates water broke, and my panicked and my priority was because you know, we were about to go back to work when her water broke. I had not taken home a workweek. So I had my. Awake braids on. And the only call I called Larry my hairstyle is to bring me a wig. And then I left the hospital, and I was like I call Jessica, I'm like, I didn't bring the car seat and bring diapers and formula. Just. And you know, and then our production kicked right into the maternity schedule that we have planned out, you know, five months prior and a lot of the responsibility fell on. Jess. And she was like, I got you hold it down. Enjoy your baby, you know, they gave me an extra week of maternity leave to you know, to find. And she, you know, she held my hand literally figures simply spiritually mentally an allowed me that breath to actually be present with my baby and my husband took paternity leave, and we were able to be a family, right and have to worry about those particular keeping those particular balls in the air. But that's what it's like. And that's what it should be like, we're all working together. You know what I mean? Whether you work, you're the only chicken office full of men or you work in an office full of women or you work by yourself. You should be able to feel like I don't have it today. And. And that's got to be okay. Give me a second to regroup politic either. But I'm not hitting out out of the park today. And that's got to be okay and surrounded by those who don't understand that I'm in the wrong space. And I gotta let you go. 'cause I gotta maintain my peace. My joy my grace. And that doesn't always mean pretending to be perfect or pretending to have all the answers. Sometimes you go get your wig. And you let your let partner, you know. Help you out. Sure. In terms. When asked about the the writing review guys how to plan that into kind of female writers being incorporated in the room as well. So can talk a little bit about that. I think it was less about like, oh, we need to make sure we only hire women. It's almost like the blind submission of how about we just get a bunch of young up and comer cool writers period. And then when we sifted through in the writer sifted through them, they just most they were mostly women. And in fact, in most cases, all women, and when you look at it blindly, whereas in I think a lot of writing room circumstances. They take people who've already had opportunities and already been writing rooms in other places where that lens is I only want to give people opportunities that look like me often the people that look like them. Our white dudes. And so we were like who cares about that? I don't care about people who've done it before. Let's just see the coolest people that can get the tone, and the voice of the show and every time it was a woman, and it just happened to be. And so it was about best talent for this show. And and making sure that you saw diversity and not just people who had already had opportunities. And so we actually level the playing field and give everybody a shot, you may or may not I'm not surprised Justice of ham. Visit wasn't prize Brennan French fries. Anti rise. That the the best people for the show. Can become in packages that you aren't used to see because perhaps the playing field has never been level. So, you know, so where they all of our writers like accent may have been the one token person in writing room in our room. We didn't have an idea or a preconceived notion of what it should look like we were just like, let's just get the best. And they were like every time. It was one every time. You know? I mean there was you know, we should have a mandate. And you know, I'm all about it. If you if you don't really even know how to begin to. See or create a level playing field. Because a lot of people are like this is a quality. It's like, no, no, it's not. So that is a unique. Task for you. You might meet a mandate, but for our creatives and our production and for Justin. I when when you go for the best. For us. It actually looked like the global community that we were trying to rush there were all different kinds of shades of we had Chinese at America's like cat on with another person. I've never been on with another native American never like everyone was like or Middle Earth and earning in like apples. This is weird. I mean, it's not it's weird. It's weird. If it's never been normal for you and any job, I have any kind of power on it is standard. But I know that it's problem or unique for others in. I'm like catch up water's warm. There's enough for all of us. Let's not function from this place of scarcity where there can only be one can only be a couple. We shouldn't have people, you know. You're the you're not not the one. Because you can absolutely ease. The Lee create productions that represent the global community that we are desperately trying to each it is not hard. If you find it hard. It's because you're making it hard. Yeah. And they're ladies. Thank you much. Great follow on and shows and all sorts of. Baseball. Kale from directors defined Bristol? And producers by glee comes see you yesterday. A SCI fi adventure grounded in familial love, cultural divides, and the universal urge change the wrongs of the past the phone segment. Features directors defined Bristol in co writer for Drako Bailey. Limit Nicklaus with Lecco nerds here would Steph on the director of you yesterday time. I love this film. I love the signs elements love that it pays homage to some historical sci-fi on Thurs. And I just love the hybrid identities that are present. So in the first scene, it starts out paying homage. Chuck TV about ler in her book kindred, what scifi films and books have employment to work. Mostly films on. Because do one Brune up is like blade. Static shock in just saw fine. General not just blacks off on this Leauge, find general, but for the gun south by you know, blade in aesthetic shop stood out to me. But in recent years has been attacked a block and has been slight. And a TV about she's one of my favorite authors. And she's also the revolutionary in changing perceptions of black contributions to technological advancements in the SCI John. So I thought that was interesting that you showcase that in the first scene to to be on is when I started the foam, a very good friend of mine gave me the book to read. So I can help me influence the writing I never heard of tibia Butler since I was till I was twenty five hundred it was I open also while who's often and other books in the while seed, I wanna pick that up, and I I wrote that in much in the scrip in another scene. But once we got Michael J FOX again because he he will see fell sick during a first initial shoot. So when we had and seen that had the book originally in this cut out. Sinoe what since Monday Fusco Mbeki's teacher. He's gonna be at the desk because reading something might as well, be nice nice. Now, do you think that people disassociate science technological advancements from the black identity? No, I never felt that way. And the reason why push to so much we need more. You know, we have we have a lot of great amount of black people. That's installed. You know, you got money Johnson. Who did a super soaker? Of course. Medecine walker? A great entrepreneur Sophal had list of folks. I'm sorry. That was gonna actually the correlation between Collado that's name and her initials being CJ Walker. Ryan, the trail-blazing, you know, businesswoman. CJ walker? Yes. I the reason why did that is because like when when young people watch the film, and and their parents recognize name, the parents can tell those kids did, you know, who Madison CJ walkers, and it was a I don't know who wish she and they were research her, but also other prominent aftermarket women have women and men into central. I let the teaching element in there. I noticed and I may be projecting. So please help me out. I noticed that in every scene there, in my opinion was a hybrid meaning that there were multiple identities or multiple perceptions of blackness and culture as well. As science even down to the shirts they away and everything that I was second out everything that Claudette Sebastian insa gather, he either had him assigned shirt while she hasn't African print or she had an African print any outta t shirt that has some sort of scientific method on it. And I wanted to know I put in the review that I'm writing that. It's okay for children to have science and higher education as the first option as opposed to say sports, and you know, a stereotypical dream. And so I wanted to speak to. How liver you were about infusing culture and cultural identity with science. I hit a no confidence. I grew up in the hood. I grew up in Brooklyn Coney Island, and you know, I've seen so many kids just wanna be different kids into anime kids, incest. You know, science, you know, there's just there's this other kids besides, you know, just just, you know, hip this rappers musicians involved place, and I want to I purposely hired. Charlie's aunt Jones was my my my costume designer to really Emily that style. What what does what does African or or or black science like in in in wardrobe, and she did it? She kilted nisi, can you? What would you like for students unless you speaking a little bit? And young black folk to take away from this film in terms of academics, Calvin says quote to his sister, which she breaks down how to pronounce misogyny, and he says, I hate it. We smart minute scary. But you inspire me. And it's scary. But you inspire me. What would you say to people who are afraid maybe or young afraid to embrace the greater work as opposed to what they're exposed expected to do quote, unquote. There is no definition of what being blackest when growing up when I talk proper English was called wiping talking white. And I think that's very ignorant of us to think that speaking proper English being very knowledgeable is coalition just being why and it should be normal view Latino native American Asian purple green have a have a really strong education background. It's should be just normal and. Gossiping that contracts dangerous, and that's one thing. I was thinking about within the film. I was thinking about how you know. I was just so impressed to see them when automate about cloud that was that she was not moved by what was happening with her peers, she didn't care who had a crush. She didn't care about what our friends we're doing. She was so focused in the high higher level of thinking that she wasn't moved, you know, and the relationship between her and Sebastian it that was beautiful in that the connection was bigger than just had crushes on. Each other wasn't quite sure. But I love one they said to one another. She said to him. I love you black, man. And then he says, I love you too. Black woman can you speak to how important is for for people of color to affirm one another and just see one another. Mil MI or just the inspiration behind the scene, especially seen is just I've seen. Unfortunately, you know, I've seen a lot of separation between young black men young black girls on by boys girls from each other. It was very daunting to me. So I wanna make sure that I had the phone to reaffirm that we're they're still struggle and in our communities in our history that we still need to learn and the best way for us to to get through. It is to love one another the idea of like love is dwindling. I feel and having those words on screen it, hopefully, vibrant, some kind of Quincy in full black audience. Nice. Those another quote, everything great has a capacity to be good and bad can you speak to the scene where? Will there's two things. Teacher Lockhart acts Claudette. If you had the power, what would you do with that kind of power and the context of her wanting to not manipulate time, but time travel, Brad? Can you speak to the notion of? Understanding what to do with your platform or your knowledge your intellect because a lot of people want position they wanna platform, but can you speak to having an awareness of what to do when you get a breakthrough or platform, or even in the context of the film. I'm still try figured out. Agree questions. Folklore? I think it you know, is reflected on her like. You might have talented goes to be prepared. And I'm saying you can't when when when when you prepared meets, you know, opportunity success. What what success means to you? And sometimes it, you know, I don't know. That's that's a good question. I just think that you c- backfire. Yes potential. She has intellect. She gets the breakthrough. But then their consequences too. So that you can't put meditate, and we see that things. Don't go the way she plans all the time. And sometimes I think about size. This is my opinion, here your opinion. I think that sometimes science tries to act as a guy in an away. And if there's no balance in that if you're trying to manipulate time, and you're trying to manipulate circumstances. Does it affect the purpose behind the thing? Wow. No. I don't think so it because those those. Maybe there's some faith based everything everything for reason. In can't there's there's a God, if believe in it, I show I believe if if there's a guy listen, and you can't, you know, got you gotta trust that things happen for reason. And you learn from them. I thought I saw that in Calvin and the choice he made in that very moment to take the bullet for Sebastian. I think he understood there was a great purpose and that the younger, brother. And all his potential. Absolutely. And I think that I'm not saying that, you know, black people need to make that kind of sacrifices not life to give you give your life to somebody else. But we have to be more aware of how brilliant our young people are around us, and and be open to what other black people are doing with alive. Like, you know, what's is? He's a brilliant kid in infortunately that moment. That's my petition seen that moment that he realized this that only this is brilliant kid and save his life. But he, you know, there's something in this kid that can change the world. And also if there's a lot of this lot of kids in the hood that are able to change the world, and we not recognizing that very nice. Thank you so much for your time today into some harmful in question. Like him bringing challenging questions because Lewis. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Thank you. First of all, how did you approach the script in the context of education and cultural identity? Well, I feel like. On. And I started talking about the short was always really important that we were showing kids from our community involved in stem involved in science technology, math doing the things that you normally don't see are you doing that? We showed that aspect of them. And we're able to kind of put that on screen and give a visual to that type of that type of patches to so just to show that outside of the normal entertainment sports, which is fine. But you also have these other options that you can also pursue. So that was really important and also just to make offense to show the community to show Brooklyn to show, the people the faces that have the community in kind of bring that all to life. Did you speak with any science as a catos teachers and people in the field? Yeah. We did a lot of research. I knows that find spoke with a good deal of people. We spent some time talking with with some youth and trying to get input especially as far as offense as far as you know, their dialogue and things like that. And then we also did a lot of research on our own. As far as time travel, and you know, obviously, that's not an actually at the moment. But there's a lot of sign instead has been developed in research done about the possibility of those type of type of things and how those things possibly could occur. So there was a lot of research this on and I did on our own to make sure that we had some backing we try to create that whole scientific world of time travel. I noticed that you all were very deliberate about delineating culture, ethnic culture in identities of Sebastian Claudette. And even the people who were the Greek course coming in and out of the scenes like Jamaica, Rostov, what was the significance between what was it significant significance of Guyana, and the rich Caribbean culture within the script. Well, the von is a guy knees guy needs hair pitch, and that was really important to him and the kind of show that halter and then heritage on the screen one. Because you don't see that often. It's something that, you know, obviously, specially in the Brooklyn community that is very vibrant. But it's just not something that's often seen on the screaming. So is really important to kind of make this film. That's like four us by us about our communities. So that was one of the things that was really something that we were really adamant about doing, you know, oftentimes when people do it is a generalization, of course, when people do films about police brutality is centered on the crime, and it's centered on the violence against those that are disenfranchise. How did you how did you provide that balance because it's very clear that you would deliberate about focusing on the education element and presenting positive images in association with higher learning and science, how did you draw balance between saying, okay, this is what's still happening in our communities, but cues beautiful thing that's happening. Our communities to black kids are geniuses. They're prodigies. How'd you draw that that balance as a writer like what was? What was your approach what I think? I feel like one of the things about the film is that it's sort of like a Jonah blender and so on and I both loves Sifi. We both love action adventure and think the female we really wanted to -ccomplish was to talk about these social issues that are also important to us. But in the John Roos that we love to write in work in. And so it was about kind of blending the two together and knowing that since we wanted to talk about police brutality. But we also wanted to show our community and our kids, and lighten which they're not often seen we wanted to make sure that these characters stood out in a way that we don't feed them. So we wanted to make sure that we show that they go to this great school that they have a passionate of for science for inventions that this is something that you know, is in them as part of the art, and yet they're still very much a part of their culture. They're still very much kids. They're still very much of their community. And yet they still do these type of things I think are way to kind of speak on the social. Of police brutality was the kind of comes through this. I fi action of incher way that it's kind of not often seen loves refreshing. Because you know, when this film was over despite the death, and despite this, you know, the mistaken identity in these different things, you still left the the film with an uplifting feeling and inspire, and I think that's oftentimes what's missing from films dealing with police brutality against black. And so very clear and was that your in game was at the goal for you for people to leave filling inspired because oftentimes. I could say the black woman. I love, you know, seeing us tell these stories, right, right? Tiresome is draining. Heavy, but with this film, particular filled inspired us like, oh, my God as the blurb that I gave about the film was from an educational context. What's a takeaway that you would want students as well as other communities to take away from this film? One of the biggest thing for me is that it's kind of twofold. I want young people that are already in science and math already. We have young people in our communities that are already doing these things, but we don't ever really shine a light on them. They don't get the shine that they should get. I would like them to be able to see this film say, hey, that's me. That's what that's what I do with. That's what me and my friends are into. And then on the other hand, I want young people that maybe aren't thinking about that as an option or pathway or just aren't considering that that's something that they can do to be inspired and say, oh, they're doing that. Maybe that's something that I could do. Maybe maybe I should try. Maybe I'll have interest in that. Maybe that's something that I could, you know, really be good at I think two fold to have people see themselves reflected and incidence fire people's possibly try it and see if that's something. You know, you never know until you try to you are exposed. And then how can you be if you don't actually fee which you can be? So I think it's important to see those type of things on the screen. Great. When you were crafting the characters of Claudette and. Sebastian. Did you already have the minded they come to you like how how declined it and Sebastian come to you? And there's one question in addition to this apart too. I wanna add something very specific about cloud that. But how did they come to you first? So it's very so part of that is that is how I ended up collaborating with Stefan those that bond worked on had to do a story for his thesis at NYU, those fun at created these characters and created the story. And then he realized that he needed help to kind of bring together hell with the writing to execute it. And so he reached out to my department chair. 'cause I'm in the dramatic writing department which is separate from his department, and then we will put together in that way. So Stefan had kinda come up with the characters in come up with the concept, and then I came in and we kinda ruined just flushed the mouth flush the character south flush the concept of flesh, how balanced the tone like you're talking about the series of police brutality to also. The other. You know, the that their kids that they're they're doing and action adventure in stem, and how kind of blend those things together. Nice one thing. I notice about Claudette in particular is that while she is bro yet while she's beautiful and while she's not necessarily even affected by peer pressure for someone has feet yet. She's angry and not in the stereotypical sense of the word of being the angry black grow. But maybe angry because of being misunderstood. What's what was the cause? I wasn't clear in the film why she had such temper was it. Because can you tell me why she had such a temper I know why oftentimes in my own youth as an intelligent young black woman. I was angry because I was misunderstood. But what was the context behind Claudette? Yeah. I think it's a combination of her feeling misunderstood. I think it's a combination of her also still dealing with the death of her father. I think some people handle grief, and they deal with things in a different way for her. I think it's kind of come out through the anger through that, you know, being kind of upset, and I also think that also caught it represents in some ways the issue of police brutality the way that she is consistently going in pushing and brazen, and you know, it's it's issue that needs to keep being at the forefront that you know, she's unapologetic about it. And in some ways, she also is part of representing that issue of just, you know, the anger that as a community that we have about this issue. So some ways I think thing or the big representation of all of us. And then as a character individual, I think she's also dealing with the loss of her dad and then also being misunderstood misunderstood at school. We see in the beginning that she has a run in with with an x, and I think all those things that are kind of contributes to that fire that she has I thought that was interesting to the fact. She's very talent. But the young man who she was dating before. It's not quite on her level that made me think about so many things Pacific, though, when you're telling I mean, the intelligent beautiful and of color. I was speaking with Sonam at another junket. She was talking about how most class or intelligent black women. The dating pool is so soap so much smaller. And I love what her brother said it was like you're bigger than that bigger than that. But but also found that interesting because that's another sub narrative that's happening in our communities. You'll have all these brilliant women with degrees who are smart. But yet, so I was like, okay. What's going to happen with this? I'm glad it worked out the way it did. And she evolved, right. Another thing. I noticed was that. I felt like and I'm glad it didn't ascribe to this wholeheartedly. Another black woman save in the day. And the end in even though didn't work out the way, she had planned because of Rattlers there's that whole idea of you can't missive control exactly yet. We're gods. Control. But she was willing to go alone. If she had to think about historically, what women in our communities have always had to do can you speak to that was at the liberal or is that just me projecting. Now. I think I mean, I think it's great because if you that's part of what I love about the ending. Also, I love that. You said that you thought it was positive and a beak I feel like there's some people that are like all, you know, all depends on what you bring to the film of which you're going to get out of it and what you're going to project into it. So I think. Yet that is the representation of going it alone like a lot of women. But then also I think going back to her representing the issue of the community and police brutality. Also, like not giving you gotta keep going. Gotta keep trying despite getting the result. We have to keep tackling this issue in her kind of going back to say that this is something that we're going to keep trying to get kinda kinda solution to it was a pleasure talking to you today. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for. Sure. Thank you so much. The black girl nerds podcast is produced by Jamie broaden axe. The opening theme song to our show is written and performed by salmon's various instrumentals performed by Famas sky, blue and ship Zillah, you can find various episodes of the black Pearl nerds podcast on itunes, Stitcher. Found out audio boom, Google play music and Spotify.