2082 - Handbook For A Post-Roe America w/ Robin Marty
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Thanks for the likes of. Thanks. Oh, hey, what's up? Thank you. Are you back all this? Go in all all this and more on today's program to chat donations appreciated. We have US support. But all body, Terry. Cutch bution sell Mike Pompeo was making some very weird noises yesterday. I mean, not not like like squeaks and fart noises and stuff like that. But he was saying some very strange things that. I mean who knows in terms of our I mean, I imagine there's we have some type of involvement. Right now beyond of course, the the sanctions that we have imposed on Venezuela to punish the people of Venezuela for being the people of Venezuela, which apparently they should not have been. But in addition to the sanctions that we have to punish the people of Venezuela. I imagine we're engaged in other things. I don't know what they would be as a government. But the the question is will there be less clandestine? Engagements? I, you know, coming up, we don't know. But there's like I say Mike Pompeo was saying some pretty weird stuff yesterday. We will get to that later in the program. In the meantime, the Senate Judiciary committee has been talking to Bill bar and Bill bar is the the attorney general most well known for his. His helping George Herbert Walker Bush extricate themselves from the Iran contra stuff and suggesting pardons and otherwise misleading congress on Unimak several issues, but on the eve of bar testifying in front of the Senate Judiciary committee today. The Washington Post got a story. Robert Muller complained that bars letter did not capture context of Trump probe. Look these things don't come out stupid. Got that letter. Right. One person who wrote it one person who who received it. Theoretically, there are other people on that sort of the chain of title. If you will of that letter, but unlikely I any of them would have. In any way, shown this letter to a reporter without one of those two principles permission. And I can't imagine that Bill bar. Who we will see in a moment just weeks ago claim that he had no idea. What Muller's thoughts were about his letter? Bill bars letter to congress in in multiple different testimonies. Now. It's unclear. I mean, it's unclear exactly I think what Muller was concerned about with the letter. We have yet to see the ladder, but we've seen. We've we've heard parts of it. I guess or maybe it's been released this morning by Bill bar to the Senate committee. But clearly they are upset at Bill bar spinning. And it is a big deal for someone like Robert Muller to put this stuff down on paper. It is a formal complaint. The idea that it's now been leaked to the press makes it even more formal. Bill bar has been testifying. I don't know that I've ever seen a witness. Who's testified at any hearing. So confidently so blatantly avoid answering questions. As proficiently Bill bar. And quite clear why everybody in the White House was excited to get him. Because he is as obstinate, and I would imagine ethically challenged as Jeff Sessions, but clearly more talented could you please slow railed Cusack will make Sheldon potable self here. Exactly. Let's go back to April tenth. Now, the letter was from was from one April fourth was that what it was the the I'm sorry, not the bar letter. But the the Muller letter was two or three days later, I guess. So April tenth would be in April ninth would be days after Bill Barr received a letter from Robert Muller, saying really don't appreciate the way, they're characterizing the report think it's misleading. And so here's a Bill bar lying to members of congress. I mean, I guess you could call it. What was it that the white Atwood? The New York Times said the other day like sort of prevailing on the truth in a way that stretches things in a. Uncomfortable manner something to that effect. Here's Chris van Holland asking bar. Ultimately, if Muller supported his conclusion now bar spends a lot of time in this thing. Well, it's not a conclusion it was a non summary of the findings. Blonde fact in making that assessment, it's not a question. I really can answer until I think well, you did it. But but you may you looked at the report, right? And you looked at the evidence of the report, and you made a decision, and you said that the presence not guilty of criminal trucks and of Justice. I'm asking you in your review of the report. Did you agree with Muller that there were difficult issues of law? In fact, I'm going to give my reaction and comments about the report after the well it wasn't. Okay. So what Bill is doing at this time couple of weeks ago is he's trying to just have the only narrative out there is that there is no obstruction? We know subsequent to this. And we saw the report in the report specifically said we're not dealing with the question of obstruction. Not because we don't have evidence of obstruction. In fact, we have ten separate incidents which would constitute obstruction. But we also are very aware of the OLS's ruling. That governs the DOJ that a sitting president cannot be indicted, and there are other constitutional mechanisms in which to hold the president to account those other constitutional mechanisms necessarily reside outside the DOJ and all you need to do go to the constitution and find out what those mechanisms are and their impeachment. So bars making it out like I didn't make any conclusions. Or I'm not going to talk about why I made the conclusions. It's not appropriate for me to talk about that now. And it's all part of the spin campaign. But you put your view of the report out there on this issue. Obstruction of Justice. Right. Nobody asked you to do that. What happened to our sound is the sound there? I'm not hearing any evidence. Did you agree with Muller and his team that there were difficult issues of law? In fact, I as I say I am going to explain my decision. And to the extent that requires any assessment of the mullahs report or decision outta my your decision require you to look into the intent of the president states with respect to trucks and Justice. I'm not going to discuss my decision. I will lay it out after the report is out, Mr. attorney general the thing is you put this out there. I mean, the president went out and tweeted the next day that he was exonerated that wasn't based on anything in the mullahs report with respect to structure Justice that was based on your assessment that was on March twenty fourth. And now you won't elaborate at all as to how you reached that conclusion because I'm not asking you what's in the report. I'm asking about your conclusion. Let me ask you this. It was the conclusion of a number of people, including me, and I obviously and the attorney general it was also the conclusion of the deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein, I understand I've written letters. And I will discuss that decision after you did Bob Muller. Support your conclusion, I don't know whether Bob Muller supported my conclusions. Well, at the very least. We know that Bob Muller was unhappy with the way that those conclusions were presented. We know that for a fact at that point Bill bar did not answer that question. And then a couple days later, he goes in front of the house committee. And questioned by Chris Christie that the House Judiciary committee, and this is what Bill Barr had to say further at the very least misleading congress. I mean, this guy who is a professional liar. And he very adroitly. I think avoids a. Perjuring himself, but he's got to be pretty adroit because he's certainly misleading congress in a in a particularly acute way. Reports have emerged recently bought generous say this is after the news reports that came out. That members of Muller's team. We're upset with the way that this letter had come out. Now, understand the way, you know. Bob Muller is getting circles run around him, frankly because he's trying to fight this through the press. And he's also, but he's driving with the brakes on. The reason why members of Muller's team came out. And did that is because Muller is still operating under some type of notion of like I've got to maintain the integrity of the office. And it's got to be hand. And it's gotta be at arm's length from me. And so Bill bar takes the opportunity. I want you to listen to this carefully. Bill bar knows that Muller's upset about the way that his report that that Bill bars letter went out there 'cause he's he's talked to Bill to a Muller and he's gotten a letter from Muller. But what what Bill bar has not done is talked to members of Muller's team. So Chris Christie doesn't mean excuse me, Charlie Chris doesn't realize that he asked the question the context of people of molars team Bill bar only answers in in regards to Muller's team and avoids having to really address what the gist of the question is does mother have a problem with what you did reports have emerged recently general that members of the special counsels team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March twenty four th letter that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the reports findings do you know what they're referencing with that. No, I don't posit. So he doesn't know. Because he doesn't know he doesn't know what the members of Muller's team thinks he only knows that Muller. Has that problem? Keep playing. That's it. Yeah. Okay. So he's just basically arguing he's just basically answering the very narrow question. I know what Muller's problem is with it. Because I got a letter. But I don't know what people are Muller's team is because I never heard from them. That that's the the game that they've been playing in their replying it much much better than than certainly Muller. Muller was the only one who had this information. So that's what's happening. I means. I in look, you know, this is from the very beginning. From the very beginning. Every investigation of a president every impeachment. Whatever it is is a political. Activity. It is not within our criminal Justice system. You cannot indict a sitting president at the very least you cannot indict a sitting president under this department of Justice. And so from the very beginning. This has been a political fight. And so to the extent that there have been excesses. On either side, it is they're what they're doing is politicking. But for those who had argued that the atomic clock or whatever the nuclear clock is being implicated or that Muller and Bill Barham. Best friends in Bill bar would never lie about the Muller report. And any way there's no daylight between them or that the this. This investigation. I guess or maybe the hyping of the investigation or the nature of the coverage of the investigation somehow handed Donald Trump some type of big gift. None of that has been born out. Did people get out over their skis in terms of like, yes, they're backbenchers. Who? Who tried to take advantage of it that guy Eric swale? Well was on TV a lot. He may be one of three Democrats don't make it into the debates because it didn't work for him. Which I think also cuts into the assessment that somehow everyone was like caught up in the specific fever of of conspiracy charges. It's quite clear. That the Trump campaign was encouraging of of Russian interference. I I don't know that that made a difference in the context of the election. Certainly didn't help. Hillary clinton. But it's quite clear that the the Trump White House. I should take campaign did that maybe they did it, and maybe he obstructed Justice because he didn't want people to find out about his but the lies. He had told about. Not having business in Russia. Which he claimed throughout the entire campaign. Maybe Donald Trump knew that that three hundred four hundred million dollar tower in in Russia was enough to get him to do just about anything to get that built including sanctions he didn't care about including who knows what? I mean, does anyone really think that this guy had fully formed opinions geo-strategy on geo-strategy Esther that were not tied into? How much money in my gonna make a hotel, right? There's an agreement. There are many things thing and you make agreements. I don't think we're covering it. Because we're hanging all of our hopes on it. But like, it does bear mentioning that the president could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue, and he wouldn't be indicted. That's right. 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I I'm fascinated by this because I think I it certainly after. Cavanaugh? But before that, I think it was a fairly safe assumption that we are headed to a an era where if not directly overturned Roe v. Wade certainly the right. Curtail certainly the right curtailed in in such a matter as to be effectively overturned just. Yeah. I see your beliefs going on right now. Obviously the intention is that row is going to be overturned in which case we have at least fifteen states that will make abortion completely illegal. We have about ten states that will make abortion completely legal and the rest will fall in between. But what's really interesting right now is if you watch the surge of so-called heartbeat bands that are happening in states across the country. Those are all fail-safe bills in what they are is they are in a tent to make sure that if for some reason the supreme court does not decide to overturn Roe v. Wade they can still essentially ban abortion in their states. What they're playing on is this idea that the supreme court could potentially say, all right? We are going to keep abortion legal all throughout the United States. However states can do whatever it is. They want to do as long as they do not officially completely ban abortion. So with that happening. That's why we're seeing MS. Sippy Louisiana just introduced one now every state in the south in the Gulf area, and the many of them through the midwest are all doing these heartbeat bands knowing that if the road is held in abortion stays legal. They can still basically ban it completely within their states. And I noticed that to today. I guess maybe it was yesterday that is Alabama at least pass the house of representatives of Bill making it a crime for doctor to perform an abortion, and I would imagine also we're gonna see like trap laws, right? Like these. The you know, anything that that makes it just that much harder. To from a practical standpoint to provide an abortion will be found to be the the scrutiny in which a state's restriction or regulations around. It will be lowered the scrutiny will be lowered. And therefore, this is going to be chipped away. I mean, this is almost inevitable. It's just really question of like how blatant right? And what's really interesting about the idea of trap laws is the fact that we're not even two years out from the supreme court saying that trap laws are not constitutional. We already had the ruling will women's healthy Heller said in two thousand sixteen that said, no, you cannot use regulations or use extra scrutiny on doctors in order to close abortion clinics. Make abortion inaccessible, despite this that we've had the fifth circuit in Louisiana say, you know, what I think we should go ahead and revisit that. And so we're still waiting for this new makeup of the supreme court. To decide whether they're going to uphold holdem is health, or if they're just gonna toss that one aside as well just to be clear, the trap laws, and the Heller said, I was in Texas, and I can't remember if that was the physicians needed admission rights into a local hospital, or but there's other stuff to the effect of like abortion clinics. Need to have a eleven foot ceilings or something to that? Right. I mean. Help the Heller said actually said that both of those were unconstitutional. However, we've already seen other states that are trying to go round it in other directions. One really good example is that few people have noticed that in Ohio more than half of the state's clinics have closed over the last five years that has happened because what they're doing is. They have transfer agreements, which are essentially the same thing as meeting privileges law, but the board of health is shutting down each one one by one. And because of that there has been no scrutiny over this. Because there is no point in which they say that they've actually reached undue burden yet. So because they do it one by one they can keep going. And then when the court finally says, okay, that's out one clinic was too many. Now, it's not do bourbon to the right to access an abortion. Then they're basically as close as they could be without going over. Okay. So now minder standing is that you. You think that the that an overturning of Roe would be a good thing. Is that relative to you know, the the essentially what we what we're we're seeing in Ohio or these these sort of like when it's chipped away. It's hard, you know, there's no headline of the day. There's no it's very hard to rally people around in Ohio that one by one the health inspector shutting down these clinics. And so it's very difficult to sort of like make people aware of how this right is being taken away and rally against it. Yeah. Because one of the things that we've already seen on the ground is especially since two thousand ten but even before that it's been nearly impossible for many communities, especially rural communities in communities of color and communities, a low economic standing to babble to access abortion as it is. It's too expensive. There's too many hoops to jump through all of these things may. It too hard for people who need abortions fell to get to them. Yet abortion is still legal in all of these places. What we need are these really big wakeup calls. That will help make people who are less affected by abortion understand that this is a fight that they have to have him being gauged with now. And we saw that immediately. After Trump was elected when millions of women came out, not just in DC, but across the country and marched in order to say, no, you're not gonna take our rights away right now. And then we saw it again when people came out when Cavanaugh was up for a for appointments and people were coming into DC, and they were being arrested. There was this huge moment where everybody understood this is a point of change. I believe personally that in a lot of cases, it is too hard for people to access abortion. It's why we are seeing so much of an uptick of people trying to access it by buying medication online. People trying to do things themselves people already leaving states in order to get. Two other states nor to get care. Should we hit a point where row is officially overturned in people understand? Okay. These states do not have any care whatsoever. And we're talking about not just like a state here state fair, but in entire swath of the country that is going to have no care, basically from the edge of New Mexico all the way out to Florida. There will be no legal abortion there when that happens it's unavoidable when that happens, it's a rallying points. And unfortunately, I feel like although activists right now are doing so much good to try to make sure that people are getting access. There's just only so much can be done until the people of privilege really recognized that this is a problem in step up will that's I mean, that's seems to me to be a big dilemma to even in the event that Roe is overturned or even in the the worst. The worst case as it were that it is defacto overturned, but in but nominally not overturned, which is that. That you know, when we talk about Alabama when we talk about Mississippi when we talk about Missouri. We talk about Louisiana we're talking about like, you say women who are maybe living in poverty and don't have access to this care when we talk about the states where it will still be legal. We're talking about the bigger the wealthier states, right where presumably folks of privilege are living and will not have the same experience because it won't be in the local news. It won't be in the you know, to the extent that it's even in the national news because the national media is centered around those areas where abortion will very more than likely still be legal. How does that work get out? I mean, effectively now there's a couple of states like you say where where abortion is almost affectively unattached. Annable? But yet very few people are conscious of that. So what we to do is make sure that abortion becomes a much bigger platform, especially when we head into the twenty twenty elections, we need to make sure that every candidate knows how to answer questions about abortion, one of the things that is going to be probably the biggest factor of twenty twenty is the fact that the right has already decided that they are going to define everything by infanticide that they're going to only talk about abortion as it comes to third trimester abortions in their going to conflicts, everything that happens after a first trimester to be a so called late term abortion, which does not exist. Our politicians need to know how to talk about this the need to know, how talk about abortion as a right that belongs to everyone. And that isn't just something that people, unfortunately have to have that it needs to be considered a part of healthcare. It can't be divorced from it ends in a lot of ways it needs. Not just to be clinic. Based because regardless of what happens with abortion law as long as abortion can only exist by going to abortion clinic, rather than through purchasing online doing Telam as long as it's restricted to Justice clinic than the right knows that all they have to do is close a clinic be it through regulations through zoning through violence, if they can close clinics in they can cut off health care access. We need to be sure that everybody understands. This is not just a rural problem or not just mid west or south. This is how they will close clinics in New York. This is how they will close clinics in California. They will close clinics everywhere. Because all it takes is to take them out one by one a no one will have care we need to expand access beyond just Lennox. I want to circle back to that. But let's start with the question of late term abortion and infanticide. I am very confident that. That that there's nobody who supports the idea of of just deciding after the birth of a child that you can wrap it up. I think is Donald Trump said it they at a rally the other night in Ohio wrap it up, and then decide to kill it kill the baby that doesn't happen when we talk about when people say late term abortion. We're talking about dilation and extraction. Explain to us what that process is. And give us some numbers here. Because I I mean, it seems to me that there are and tell me if I'm wrong. My understanding is that there are third trimester abortions that take place when a mother maybe was unable to get an abortion earlier was unaware that she was pregnant. I mean, they're extremely rare. But they do happen. When a woman's health is not necessarily implicated. Just discussed that. I mean, what I into the to the extent that they exist. So the first thing that we have to talk about is we have to straighten out all of our terms. There's no such thing as late term abortion because term means forty weeks and so late term would be after forty weeks. So that does not exist when we are talking from progressive standpoint Lee used the term late-term abortion, even though we shouldn't be what we are. Usually trying to reference is the idea of third trimester abortion. The first thing that we have to understand is that when the right is saying late term abortion. They are in fact for from to anything after the first trimester. So that is how things are getting completed. An how you're finding stories of Venlo start to say, okay. Well, look at all these districts about abortions after twenty weeks, and why people have them. The thing is twenty weeks is not viability twenty four weeks is the point in which science believes that viability is a likelihood viability is the point. In which with medical care. There's a fifty percent chance of survival in order to live outside the womb. So we're already talking on different levels of definition and those have to be straightened out when you get to third. Trimester abortion third. Trimester abortion is almost always going to be labor induction. There is not e dilation evacuation because at that point fetus to develop to do that. So when when we are having a third trimester abortion, it's going to be labor induction that would be a third trimester abortion would be the only point in which. Yes, it could be possible that a fetus that is born at that point would survive the abortion. But because of the way that the procedure is done fetal demise as always done. I so I there would be an injection to the heart. They would make sure that there was no longer heartbeat in. They would do all of that before any sort of process to open up. The cervix, and then induced the labor so when we're looking at third trimester abortions or abortions after viability they are in that case always going to be because of the health of a pregnant person or because of a fetal anomaly, we do not have elected third trimester abortions. It just doesn't happen is is it legal or you're saying it just doesn't happen. Like when according to ro you are allowed to have abortion, the first trimester, you are allowed to have abortion in the second trimester. For special indications in the third trimester is only for the physical or mental health of the person who is carrying it mental health in almost all circumstances refers to okay, there is a fetus within anomaly, it is more detrimental to this person to be able to be forced to carry to term give birth to this than to just go ahead and end efficacy. Okay. Fair enough immune. So that I mean that I think it's important for people to to really understand because as you say there's a lot of conflict of lot of different things and not at happens on the other side because what they'll do is they'll start talking about. Okay. So we're having late abortions. And here are the steps that say here, these people twenty who have abortions after twenty weeks that Seitz because they couldn't access a clinic early enough or say that it was because they didn't know they're pregnant all of these other things, but they're talking about statistics that aren't specifically for the third trimester. They're talking about statistics that are any point after the twenty twenty weeks. And so because of that they're completing second trimester third trimester abortions, which are done under completely different circumstances in and we should also add that these abortions take place, essentially. After consultation with Dr between a doctor and their patient. Right. I mean, this is not like, you don't just go in, and, you know, go online and register for it. Like, you're going in for, you know, a I guess, you know, I don't know a haircut or something you are actually in consultation, particularly in the context of the third trimester. With a doctor to assess whether your need foreign abortion crosses that threshold. Exactly. And if we want to talk specifically about the New York abortion law, which is where this whole thing got started the thing that a lot of people have lost track of is that when New York past their new abortion law what they were doing is. They were allowing people who were in the third trimester babbled to obtain abortions with just one doctor saying that it was okay to have an abortion because. Four that it took three doctors saying that. It was okay to have an abortion. I'm sorry. Not New York in Virginia logged that they fought over. And then it got stalled because that was the only changes they were trying to make it wasn't even hey, you can have an elective third trimester abortion. It was you only need to get one doctor to consent to this abortion. You don't need full panel. And this will idea of panel approving abortion goes back to the days pre bro when people were trying to get abortions. And they were illegal, and so you had to go up to a hospital and give them the entire story of why abortion mattered for you. But not for been legal for everybody into a lot of ways. It just goes hearkens back to this age of it's not that we want to make sure that abortion can't be had by anybody. It's just we want the bubble the pick and choose whether we think that your abortion is valid or not so with that clarified. Let's talk about what we're looking at in a. I think it's it becomes a little bit easier. It's a little bit more low hanging fruit as it were if you know a supreme court says we're overturning Roe v. Wade and of story forget about it completely thrown to the states anywhere that they want to ban abortions. Totally. They can do it. That's a little bit easier to imagine. What happens if it doesn't happen that way, if it simply like, it's okay for states to pass trap laws that we're just not going to give that that that measure of scrutiny. What what are now we're getting into the handbook a little bit. What do we do as as women? What do we do as men in the context of you know, activists and also people who need this health procedure? Right. So the most important thing that I talk about in the handbook over and over again is the idea that we are not. In is nearly dire. Straits, as we think that we are because there is a system that is already out there in Arctic cysts Ardy networks people together in order to make sure that people can get from one state to another state. If a person needs abortion care, reproductive Justice groups have been doing this work on the ground. For decades already had been doing it with little resources in their communities helping their own communities because they know them best. So what we have our abortion funds. We have practical support groups we have clinic escorts, we have all these people on the ground, especially in low access states who know how to get somebody to a different clinic. How to put them up in a home how to drive them to a different place. These are all places that exist in that as activists if we are new to the movement in want to do something to help we can find them in plug ourselves into already existing work. This is good because it means that we do not have to spend the resources to try and create an entire. Network. It's already out there. So as people who are seeking out abortions. The first thing that we're going to need to do is it's best to try and figure out ahead of time. Some sort of plan one of the things that I recommend is that people try to figure out where their nearest abortion clinic is going to be sort of restrictions might be there. How much money they might need for an abortion? Another thing that I tell a lot of people right now to be completely honest is it is not a bad idea to treat medication abortion. Like, you would emergency contraception. The biggest problem with medication abortion at this moment, isn't that? It's a health risk because it's not it's that it is a legal risk. And especially in states, where a person could be could be under investigation for having a miscarriage that could be a problem for you. However, the other big problem right now is the fact that getting that medication online can take a long time. The FDA is already cracking. Down on places that are up offering it into people in the United States. Those are closing new ones have popped up. But even still were seeing that it can take four to six weeks for somebody to get medication that orders online you have to trust. Right. I mean, it's it's it's I mean. I think these things are imminently trustable, certainly. But you don't know the agency. Right. You don't have that presumption that you have, you know, within the states, I guess we there are groups out there that have worked on vetted information to make sure that so they order pills themselves in order to test. The materials that come through. See how long things are gonna take make sure that they do actually provide what they say that they're going to provide plan C is a group that does that online, and they have a report card, and they update the report card as different pharmacies. Disappear. In other firm ases Papa again, it's still among waiting period in. So I often tell people that if they think that this might be something that they will need to do down the road. It does not hurt to purchase pills off of a vetted supplier on the plan. C report card have that medication in case you need it. And if you do not somebody else might need it, and then you can. Get it to them in a timely manner, and you can purchase another one yourself. I don't see any reason why medication abortion should not be treated in the same way as emergency contraception in Canada. Now, they have decided that they no longer need to have an ultrasound before a person takes medication abortion and in the United States. There is absolutely no concern about medical risks, other than the fact that a person who might have complications could feel insecure about the idea of going in for follow up care in which case, they just need to know that there is nothing that they have taken that will show up in blood work or urine work in that. All they need to say is I think I'm pregnant I think I'm having a miscarriage and I'm scared. And let's talk just a little bit about. I think the, you know, the the general preference for clinics and surgical procedures in in in the context of abortion. Because that is I mean, it seems culturally that is what we're used to. I mean, an and what is what do we do about that? Yeah. There is a lot of benefits to having a vacuum aspiration rather than a medication abortion for one thing. It's a lot easier. It's a it's not it's not more medically unsafe. If that makes sense. So it's if done in the clinic, it's very safe it's quick and it's done. And there is a lot of there's a lot of mental mental wellbeing too. The fact of knowing that you go into clinic, and you come out on you're not pregnant, whereas with medication abortion. You are involved in in that abortion. You it. Will take awhile? It will be lots of blood. It will be a labor miscarriage. So yes, there is a huge advantage for a lot of people in being able to access a clinic and be able to get a safe vacuum aspiration abortion. And also medication abortion does not work as well. When a person is in the second trimester. So that's another advantage. We need to work as hard as possible to keep our clinics open, and one of the things that were seen right now that is actually really making me feel a lot better than I if you had talked to me six months ago are things like Kansas. The state of Kansas, just reaffirmed that the state constitution says there is a right to an abortion. So as long as the state is not capable of amending. The constitution Kansas will have abortion, regardless of what happens that early on the same rights as long as that is not amended. I wha will have the right to an abortion. We're seeing more states that we did not expect to keep a right to an abortion find that their state constitutions. Have it is. Is there? A is there a provision or I guess I mean is there? I wonder about the concept of clinics that are designed specifically to receive women who have begun a medically induced abortion. So that was actually something that we saw happened quite a bit in Texas when the clinics had all closed, especially when the clinics in the real ram valley had closed on a Paso ended up with a planet that was opened solely for people who had begun who were experiencing any sort of miscarriage issue. And one of the things that I wanna make really clear is the fact that if a person is having a miscarriage they do not have to go into a hospital abortion clinic can help them as well. And can probably do it much more cheaply. It's just it's not something that people who are pregnant with wanted pregnancies tend to think about. So what would happen is that? Yes. People who were trying to induce on their own would begin to bleed but get concerned and go into this clinic enough Paso, and they were able to finish it up with the vacuum. Aspiration? That's a thing that could work and really should be in existence, especially if we hit a post throw era, one of the issues is that this is also going to be something that is going to be highly highly scrutinized because the right has already looked at this idea of miscarriage management as being a way of just hiding abortions. And they're already looking at statistics of clinics that have been have announced that they have done miscarriage management and saying, oh, well, we don't believe that was actually miscarriage that was obviously just an abortion that was being done in secret. When people hear about the various states, we've we've heard this over the years of state legislators trying to pass laws about the police you need to file a report when you have a miscarriage or something to that effect with the police. This is a way of intimidating women from exercising. This option particularly of medically induced abortion. Well, let me ask you that. So. Two things one is assuming that there is a either ineffective or a total of overturning Roe v. Wade what is the do? You have a sense of the legal strategy. We may be decades away before that legal strategy can be play at least on the supreme court level. But to the extent that there is one or there is possibility is there a legal strategy to come back after that. Hey, Embi, what about the symbolic implications of Roe v? Wade made a material impractical difference in in women's lives. But it also was a statement that women have rights over sovereignty over their own body that it also opened up a a whole understanding that reproductive rights was also economic rights. What what supplants that? So Bill to your first question what we would see happening. When ROY is overturned is probably a state by state level of counter to try end, get state constitutions to once more include the right to an abortion. What we do need to think about though is robing overturned is not an end game for the rights. What they want is a amendment to the constitution a person who'd amendment to the federal constitution. So that abortionist completely illegal all across the country once that happens than that would be addressed in the same way that we just saw in Ireland where they overturned the eighth amendment, and then made abortion legal in the country and made a right to an abortion legal all throughout the entire country. So the right only, well, let me rephrase part of the right is only just getting started when it comes to the idea of returning Roe v. Wade because what they really want to do is make sure that there is a comp-. Pleat in Uttar federal ban on abortion all over the country. The thing is the I would say that the antiabortion extremists want this. But the Republicans in general do not in do not want this because abortion is the easiest way for them to pick up votes in election abortion is the reason why Trump is president right now and abortion, quite frankly will be the only reason that he can get reelected if it happens, and they don't want to give up something so easy. They have so many people, especially the people who call themselves pro life, Democrats who will go out and vote against absolutely every progressive value that they believe in just as long as they believe that they are saving babies. The rat. Doesn't wanna get rid of that? They don't want to lose that low hanging fruit. So in my opinion, there's never going to be a federal federal law that makes abortion completely illegal. Okay. In the second part, the the sort of the symbolic nature of a a federal understanding national understanding that a woman has sovereignty over her own body. I mean inherently that's what the equal right amendment is. And that something that we still need to push make happen in that something that they're fighting for in congress right now. And that's why the same people who are opposing it. Right now, are they changed their language as to why they oppose it. But in general, it's the religious, right? And they do not like the ER a because it it interferes with their belief that traditional family values means that there is a man who works in a woman who stays home and takes care of the and that how got intended the Stanley to be. The book is handbook for a post row. America, Robin Marty thanks for talking to us about it. We will put a link at majority dot FM. This is I mean in you predict I think that this is going to happen in twenty twenty one after the election, really? And it it really isn't implicated by the election at this point. There's five votes there, at least there could be, you know, could be six theoretically, and one of those five could be even a younger more conservative maybe than than even Clarence Thomas. So this is there's a certain inevitability about this then and really important to address. I appreciate your time today. Thanks so much for having me on. All right, folks. We're going to take quick break. Head into the fun half of the program. No, it's going to be that much fun. We will have. Some we'll hear from some senators anticipation of them talking to Bill bar in this committee hearing the earlier we saw Sheldon Whitehouse with the Bill bar and White House was. It was a little flummoxed because he couldn't believe how vase of Bill bar was being. It was one of those moments. Like, you realize you're on TV right? I mean, people can see this. But they also know. I mean, we're living in a very it is a very very difficult time to try and leverage reasonableness. To leverage shame. I mean, the the Republican strategy. Increasingly over the years has been if we are shameless we're unstoppable, and it seems to be fairly effective. We will look into that. We'll talk a little bit about the implosion of Stephen Moore. This is. This is going out with a bang. This is unbelievable. It really is this guy. And I mean, again, you know, we assume that the Republican party is going to be like, no. And it's the the interesting thing is it's not going to be because of all the reasons why we think it's he's atrocious. It's not going to be because of like he thinks that women really should not be a part of the job market, or that black people that he's like, you know, enjoys telling racist jokes in public. That's going to be the pretense for the Republicans who are just like the guys completely unqualified and the feds a little bit important to our very wealthy donors. But we will get to that in a bit. 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