548 Champaign Aviation Museum
This is the airplane. Geeks podcast. Hurry, Mr. educate and inform. You explore and expand your passion for aviation and entertain you little along the way this episode. We look at the champagne aviation museum in Ohio their restoration work, the volunteers working on the aircraft. And how they see the role of an aviation museum in the news. We look at seven three seven safety cards that are confusing. Some passengers the scaled composites model for zero one flight attendant trip brokering while air ending operations and the 2018 eighteen Collier trophy winner. We also give some firsthand impressions of the twenty nineteen sun and fund fly in and expo. It's all coming up right now. Welcome to the airplane. Geeks podcast. This is episode five hundred forty eight of the show where we talk aviation. I Mex flight in joining me. I is max trescott. He's host of aviation. News talk podcast. He's the two thousand eight see if I of the year, he's an expert on the Cirrus aircraft mex- west where we're back from Sunan fund. Well, I'm not back. But you're back. You know, I was thinking you said that I was joining you, and I was thinking no that was last week. I spent all week with you. How could I mean, we're now thousands of miles apart again? As we are. But you're back home. And I'm on the way home indeed nice to be back here with you again. Yes. Absolutely. He and also with this is David Vanderhoek, our aviation historian who was not at sun fun this year. I david. That's right. I was not it's unin front. Looks like everybody had a great time. It was nice having a week off to be honest. So but looking forward to a good show tonight. Yeah. Now, I think you all listening may have heard the the last episode here what we did was when we were at sun and fun myself and max trescott and launchpad Missouri, and rob Mark got together, and we recorded a show on sun and Fun Radio. So of course, that was broadcast live on the sun and fund AM radio station as well as over it live ATC dot net. And so it is we took the the recording in just slapped an opening and closing on it put it up in the feed for you all to to listen to and max trescott, you you had a I thought an interesting observation after we did that which I agree. With concerning how it felt to have that group together. Boy, I don't remember the specific observation, but boy, it was great. Great fun. I really enjoyed you know, sitting across from you and Robin the launch pad, and it just what was the operation. I made. Yeah, you were saying about how especially with respect to arrive who we haven't had on the on the show in the same capacity for quite a while. And how it was just it was just like old times. Right. We just slid right into it. And felt like we never never been away for any length of time at all, right? In fact, the I saw rob less than a year ago. But I have not seen you for seven years. And yet, you know meeting up with you it was like, oh, yeah. It's Maxine we talk every week. And it didn't feel like we hadn't seen each other for seven years. Yes. Yes. So we'll we'll talk more about signed fund a little bit later in the in this show. He, and we have some other recordings and interviews and. Things that we will provide to you all listening in the future in the not too distant future. So you can you can look forward to that. But like, I say, we'll talk about side and finding a little bit more coming up but first introduce our guest, it's Amy brower from the champagne aviation museum in Urbana, Ohio. Amy is the well, she does public Amy you do public affairs donor relations education sounds like you're sort of person behind the scenes that does almost everything that would be. Yes, let me say thank you very much for inviting me to be part of your podcast now, I ran into the well, yes, I ran into Amy how long ago was that a month ago. Maybe something like that. After I had been at the air force museum in Dayton. And in looking for a place to. To grab some food that was more or less on the way home. What did I do? Well, we dipped into the eat at the airport the hut com. Site found Grimes field airport in that has the airport. Cafe and also notes the the museum right next door. So actually me when I ride even though I was hungry. The first thing I did was head right over to the museum. It's a it's a spectacular place. It's a it's a renovation factory as much as it is a museum. Yes, actually within the next month, or so it will change even more as the seventy two hundred square foot workshop will open so all of the tools and most of the active projects like the wings and the bigger things will move over there. So I actually will get to begin to start putting together more of a museum atmosphere in that larger building. Yes. Because that was under construction when. Here sounds like they moved along pretty quickly. Because I I guess I wasn't expecting it to come together that this quickly. But that's fantastic. That's great. Yes. They broke ground in early November of last year. And it's it's a basic hangar building. There are no frills that I also surprised at the speed because you mentioned the air force museum. It takes some fifteen years to build a new building. I guess that's the difference between, you know, civil engineer or you know, defense whatever you wanna call it and actually private contractors. Right. All right. Well, we're going to have a great conversation with Amy learn about how you how you build a b seventeen bomber in some other exciting projects that they have going on. But first we're going to talk a little bit about the aviation news from the past week, or at least some of it will probably go through this always say this sort of quickly. If for no other reason in the fact that I don't know if if max t is tired is I is exhausted. It is. I am. I don't know if we can talk too long about the news, but we'll give it a shot. So why don't we get started? With the news is everyone ready ready from the west ready in Philly. I ari. It comes from this is insider dot com. Passengers on Southwest Airlines thought they were flying on a Boeing seven three seven max after confusion about their on-board safety cards. Interesting interesting how how could on-board safety cards confused passengers enough to think that they might be flying on a grounded airplane. I can tell you because I flew southwest Florida in back, and I saw exactly the same thing on my way out there. And I had exactly the same reaction initially until I read a little further of some of these people didn't understand that. There's a different a difference between the seven three seven eight hundred and the seven three seven max eight and they both share a common a safety briefing car to the back pocket of every seat. And so when I first collapsed at it. I saw seven three seven max eight, and I thought what the what the what the heck and. I kept staring at open it looked around. Okay. It also says above that seven three seven eight hundred. I think a lot of people didn't notice that that that's going to do a listed and it caused a little bit of panic. A lot of tweets on Twitter and a lot of posts from concern. Passengers it seems like under more normal circumstances. More fortunate circumstances, I guess probably most passengers wouldn't have any idea. Well, that they're even on a seven three seven, let alone dash eight hundred versus max ater max nine, but the result of all this. Everybody's quite aware of of these airplane designations these days, but I don't know. I don't think that would be the case otherwise now, it's unfortunate. There's an interesting picture. That's also in this new story, and it's a shot from a helicopter or drone or whether appears that shot from a couple of hundred feet. And that shows grounded Southwest Airlines seven through seven max aircraft on the tarmac. What they call these southern California logistics airport in Victor, Cal, victorville, California, and I count twenty four southwest jets all park next to each other. My recollection is that they have the largest portion of the seven three seven Bax fleet that's out there. And I know it's on the order of a few dozen. So I don't know if it's, you know, twenty four thirty six or forty eight, but certainly this picture shows more than half of all south west grounded aircraft in one place. Yeah. I mean, besides the tragedy of the loss of life, which is in and of itself pretty pretty horrific. I don't know the the the pain the difficulty that Boeing and others are going through is I is really significant. And I mean, I I don't think anybody is clothing over the fact that Boeing is in such this difficult situation. I hope it doesn't last too long. But we seem to be saying more and more increases in the time at the fleet might be grounded. It's just I don't know. It's just it's just really unfortunate. Yes. There was a story today that American Airlines announced that they're extending their groundings out through the first week in June. I can't remember June fifth or something like that. So obviously, even the airlines that have all these planes. Don't know for sure when they'll get the final fix. From Boeing in southern just increasing, you know month by month, the the date when they're gonna bring these things back in the service. Yeah. Yeah. Amy de run across people that have concerns about flying commercially in in general or any kind of reactions at your picking up on I haven't I don't really move and those crowds. I guess so no the first mention I heard of it was today when I was meeting with the National Park Service. We were discussing the fact that I'm getting a presentation ready to go to Boeing to see if we can get some funds since we've got four Boeing aircraft in Champaign aviation museum, and the comment was made. Well, it's probably good time for them to be, you know, feeling more philanthropic. Yes. Yeah. How that's interesting. How receptive? Do you? Find companies, you know, the manufacturers in terms of supporting the museum. That has their products. I it must vary. A lot from one company to the next. Well, I know how generous they've been in the national museum the United States Air Force. The signs are all over the place to be honest champagne has not truly approached bowing to this point. And so they are top of my list. I like to go big or stay home. So again because the b seventeen is one of their icon ick aircraft aircraft in genders a lot of emotions, and it was called the flying fortress and appropriately that aircraft could take a lot of abuse and still bring most of its crew home as it did many many times during World War Two. Aircrafts that I know you don't have in the museum is a scaled composites model for zero one in. I wasn't terribly familiar with this. But I guess. Is ABC reports in secret airplane stops at F B O? This is aircraft made kind of a bit of a public appearance. I don't know if that was intended or not I love this story scaled composites for a one is a drone demonstrator max. Yeah. I it's got the shape of the Lambda weighing the v tail, but it's optionally manned if I flew in twenty seventeen and it's been I guess the best way to describe it as it's been conspicuously out in the open. But nobody really knows what's going on and it stopped the PO because it was on its way transiting to Pawtuxet river to I guess can't as it was described by somebody the petting zoo, kind of look and feel to it. But yeah, I can you can imagine. A stealth prototype. Pulling up to your local FBI say fill it kind of. We might be a little bit of JAMES BOND flying the Beatty. Five Jay up to the gas station to fill it up. So we don't really know what it's who owns it other than skills composite built it. But it's a demonstrator, but it's got technologies that we probably don't know about and it was done on cheap. Yeah. I thought wasn't part of our reportedly. One of the objectives of of this aircraft was to create a demonstrator that had a a low production cost. But it there's an article it's an older article from maybe from last year in in Defense News that it has some dimensions for this Makati. Saw that one. I did I've got it up right now. I was kind of intrigued by the similarities between it and the Cirrus type rated in it is a single engine aircraft. And of course, it's got a v tail so that the thrust doesn't burn off the vertical stabiliser, the traditional attell configuration of most airplanes. It's got a little more power than the Williams engine on the Cirrus jet. That's round oh, just under fifteen hundred pounds of thrust this over three thousand pounds of thrust from Pratt and Whitney engine, and it'll go mach point six point five, and I kind. Guess that it was single engine. When I I saw the note that said flight aware had tracked it at two hundred thirty nights. And I thought met doesn't sound like two engines yet surprisingly the wings fans only thirty eight feet, which means it with your radically fit into a standard t hangar. If someone wants to pick one of these things up they should be able to fit it in most any hanger airport. Yeah. Yeah. And you you might want to take a look at the show notes for this. Because there's some there's some photos in there. There are actually a couple of videos out there as well. And we'll have links to all that in the show notes. You want to get a look at this for a one scaled composites plane, and Mr. trescott, why is he engine intake on the top of the few slides and bled out through the tail? Let's see how military you think? I have no idea David go for it infrared signature. Yeah. Of course makes sense. If you go back to the F one seventeen the v tail of the one seventeen and the beaver tail were designed to reduce the infrared signature. For a slow moving drone or you a s like the avenger or any of the new unmanned combat air vehicles. They have intakes above the few slides to lower their infrared profile and the V tails, reduce the signature from the ground and protect. So it's not really era dynamics as more as far as the military is concerned. It's less about aerodynamics and more about infrared signatures to minimize raider across section makes total sense since all those greater a radar units on the ground looking up might as well put the the messy inlets on top of the airplane. All right moving on aero, news dot net. United warrants flight attendants against illicit trip. Brokering for some I read that I thought it said tip brokering, no is trip brokering in the airline has warned flight attendants that they need to stop the practice of trading or choosing flights that they'll work when there's some compensation involved, and I guess you United is serious about enforcing that prohibition. I guess I guess max. It's a prohibition in their policies. I think these kinds of trades have always happened to some extent. And I don't believe, you know, the airline has a problem. If to flight attendants decide, hey, I'm gonna swap my trip for your trip problem is that apparently flight attendants who have seniority are able to bid and get really nice trips. Those would be ones that allow you to pack your hours into his few days as possible. So that your home? More days out of the month. And since those are valuable commodities, apparently they've actually been selling these, you know, desirable trips to their less fortunate colleagues who have less than seniority, but with still like to be home, you know, more days out of the month. So yeah unite has kind of stepped up and said, let's not do that. I I'm sure this will shut that down. I guess for a period time or maybe drive. It deeper underground, I don't know. And some more news on. Wow. Air in in some ways are our favorite budget airline. Of course, we had schooling Mogensen on the on the show the CEO of. Wow. Air some time ago. Wow. Air has ceased operations that happened about ten days ago in lift a lot of stranded passengers though, some of the other airlines stepped up and really were very helpful by coming up with kind of emergency fe- special fares for people who were stuck at airports needed to get back home. And couldn't because they're who out tickets were now, essentially useless. So it's great that the airlines can help each other out with when things like that happen. I did notice just a day or so ago that school he was quoted as saying that he was looking to get while back up and running again. So we'll see how successfully is on that we've been watching this airline scaleback considerably. Over the last few months as they were starting to have cash flow problems. Of course, they weren't able to fix that soon enough. I'm guessing it would take a major cash infusion. And you know, I'm a little skeptical that having watched it fail under reasonably good management that somebody would might be willing to sail share. Let's roll the dice. Again. Here's you know, tens and twenties millions of dollars to to have ad again. So we'll see I mean, I think it just tells us that the long-haul discount airline models, you know, fraught with problems. Yeah. And also my perception of guys like school who start an airline is there. Not of the personality. Type that's likely to have a setback or failure. Then pack it up go home. And that's the end of it. And I'm sure we'll see him come back in some form or another whether it's Styler airline or something else in. Aviation. You know who knows? But I think I don't think he's done yet. You know, I think you're right. And it's probably premature me to kind of say, hey, it's not likely to work out. You're right. There are numerous as serial airline entrepreneurs. I was listening to podcast recently about David needle men who had started a jet blue. And is now off starting to get another airline. So yeah, I think when these people get airlines in their blood, they they have difficulty stopping they just want to keep doing it. Yes. Yes. All right, one one more story. We talked about the call your trophy, some episodes ago. This is of course, the Robert J Collier trophy. That is presented by the NA the National Aeronautics association each year. And what was it max, you you kind of characterize it as what the Nobel prize or something like that of aviation very much. So yeah, though, it's an American prize. Definitely. So it's only going to go. Typically to couple that's got some connection with aviation in America. But beyond that, the I think it's a good analogy a lot even even the folks at NASA will refer to it as the Nobel prize of aviation, and I think it's kind of interesting that you know, we we have had our picks in the past and at times a different host here airplane. Geeks have correctly picked who the winner was. I think we got a big goose egg on this one. I don't think any of our host to pick the winner. So go ahead. Tell folks who it is. That's right. This was the the auto g Cass system, the automatic ground collision avoidance system, and they said this team, quote, successfully completed a rapid design integration and flight test of critical life saving technology for the worldwide f thirty five fleet. So David auto G casts that that was something that like he'd Martin developed. I believe in conjunction with the US air force, the f thirty five jay-paul the joint program office as well as NASA and the defense safety oversight council kind of a team effort, and it started with the f sixteen program, the sixteen was the first moment the ground with the G caste system, and basically it. My brain just turned the mush co. It's like a collision avoidance system. Well, it it it's to prevent purpose flying into terrain. What's the proper term max trescott that I missing control flight is. Yeah. Control flayed into see fit. Yeah. What he said controlled flight into terrain. So I mean, it it. It's an alert system that the aircraft recovers earlier than normal pilots. Should they lose control of the aircraft in there might be a terrain thing? So it was very successful in the in the F sixteen program, and they quickly moved into the F thirty five program. I got to admit it's kind of nice that they picked the safety program as for the war, not just technology development. But in this case the safes live, and there is at least one I think maybe a couple of videos out there. It will put a Lincoln this show knows to one that's auto GECAS, say's unconscious f. Sixteen pilot, and this is some declassified US air force footage. It's kind of dramatic. I I don't it it show. You're looking at the at the, HUD. I think I guess that's what you're what you're looking at in this. You're looking through the HUD. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And so I don't know what all that stuff is in the. Trescott probably understands fourteen times much of that as I do. But but in any event, I guess the pilot the sixteen pilot is is unconscious and for I don't know what reason, but and as apparently about to impact and the to the ground, and you can hear the voices of others on the radio become I think increasingly more concerned, and then I guess what we're seeing is system takes over and saves the pilot saves the plane. What's remarkable is if you look at the L Timet, which is in the right hand side, they were operating somewhere around fifteen thousand feet, and he went from fifteen thousand feet down to five thousand feet in literally just a handful of seconds. I mean, he was going down extremely rapidly. And I suspect that they had just performed some type of maneuver which pulled a lot of G's that caused the pilot to go on conscious, and he probably would have been. Dead had the system not kicked in and level the aircraft off and then started to climb it back up. So I think it's a excellent choice. And it's just an example of how some of the new software driven kinds of safety systems. We have out there are really enhancing safety in in aircraft. I see this all the time in the Cirrus aircraft that I fly fly with the envelope stability protection. Which for example, if you start to Bank over to forty five degrees. The stick will in movie back to about thirty degrees. Or if you pick up too, high it'll pull forward to prevent you from stall and things like that. And these are all new kinds of things as early generally Asian in the past seven or eight years, but you know, all these little things make a huge difference. And by the way, I just because I was go ahead. Say I dove tail off of that all of those little things make a huge difference. It's not a very far removal thing from avoiding flight into terrain as an aircraft avoiding a stall automatically. Yep. Yep. So I mean, I it's interesting that this is a very successful program. And then we have the Boeing max, which has got kind of the same intention to override the pilots, and that has catastrophic effects. So it goes both ways, I guess it's kind of interesting because somewhere acronyms camps and an m s I went in. I pulled up the list of collar trophy winners for the past ten years because I was thinking it's been a while since there's been a a military contractor who was wanted. Sure enough. I was right on that back. The last five six years it's been either things like the Cirrus division, which one last year blue origin, which is a space related thing before that was the NASA GPL dawn mission, which was the the one that I voted for when I was on the on the selection committee back in two thousand fifteen the Gulfstream prior to that and all the way back to twenty thirteen is when the David room of this one northbound Northrop Grumman. X forty seven b was the winner of the caller trophy. All right. Let's talk about the she got really airplanes the champagne aviation museum. Now, I'm so glad Amy was able to to join us when I walk into that museum. So there's a a lobby area. Let's call it there. And they're actually a few interesting things in there, including that. There's a the ball turret is in the in the lobby right? Amy. It isn't since you were there. The extra be seventeen engines now in the lobby is well, yes, I'm remodeling. It's going to have its engine note along with it. So that you can push the button and hear what it sounds like. Oh, I like that. I like that a lot. So there was nobody the lobby when you know when I was there. So I sort of pushed open the doors into the main hangar area and. It was amazing. I mean, you see a lot of aircraft there. Then we'll we'll talk about about some of those and you also see a b- seventeen which is in. Well, I guess two major sections right now, and you see many many people in their fabricating parts, the semblance components doing all kinds of restoration work. It's an active shop, so Amy tell us a little bit about if you could sort of the origins of the museum of what what it's beige your mission is give us sort of the background on the museum. Well, it's one man's dream. So in the summer of two thousand five Tom Riley, brought the b seventeen liberty bell up to Grimes field foreigner show, and was of course, selling rides and local businessmen and private pilot Jerry Schiffer purchased a ride and was just entrenched with the experience and was also struck by the enthusiastic support from the town. It was like the entire town of Bannon's rounding areas was out to experience this be seventeen historic World War Two aircraft up close. And as it turned out. Something went wrong, and I beg your pardon. I can't remember what it is. But the liberty bell ended up staying for a couple of weeks while repairs were made. And So Jerry shift forgot to have a lot of conversations with Tom Riley and the rest of the crew that accompanied the liberty though, so a little. Bit later on maybe a month or so Tom Riley called the airport manager grinds because he had another project another b seventeen g project that he purchased parts including the fuselage, and he asked the airport manager, if she happens to anyone who might be interested in purchasing this kit, basically to build this armor, and that's how it happened. It was you know, within two weeks they had signed the contract agreement. Now, the sad part to this story is that November twenty ninth of that very same year the first shipment parts Rives at Grimes field. And Jerry Schiffer has taken off on a ski trip to Montana in his Cessna four twenty five conquest, and he crashes near Belgrade Montana and is killed. So he doesn't ever see the completion of the beginning of the completion of his dream. And so. The widow and the family decide that that's going to be his legacy that they're going to see this project through. So the shipments continue to arrive, and they put them in a hangar there at Grimes field and the family business purchases the contract, I guess, you know, from some sort of follow through his from Jerry's will assume ING and then late in two thousand seven they decide they wanna create a flying seem around this be seventeen restoration project. So in two thousand eight granted that five one c three status by the IRS. And and also in two thousand eight was when the Schiffer family donates, the funds to purchase the b twenty five the champagne go, and so that becomes the seconds asset flying. Well, it's the only flying asset, but the second aircraft and to the museum inventory, and then two thousand ten they built the building that you walked into. And so it actually, you know, they move into their official home from the hangar over on the Grimes field. And now as I said earlier, they're going to be opening the seventeen hundred square foot workshop, which will be nice because I don't know if you call or not max, but the wings are hanging on the wall there on this. There are several new cells. I think they're four sales because we're building the sells for the liberty bell at the same time because she had the fire and her engine. It's quite the story for someone like me who's more interested in history. And of course, I specialized in World War Two history in the Cold War and my college career to follow this journey. How this this comes about? I mean, the volunteers in this museum are simply extrordinary the things that they're doing. And what happened was they found that they needed to buy all sorts of parts, you know, they've got these pieces, but they're missing a lot. So it's like this elaborate, jigsaw puzzle. That's missing many pieces and the parts are very expensive. They're costs prohibit. Give because no one's making them, or, you know, salvaging them, or, you know, going up to recover them from crash sites. So in new project manager joins the museum in two thousand eight just as they're thinking, they need to buy tools expensive tools to be able to make these parts, and he actually teaches and trains the volunteers. How to make the tools so that they can then make their own parts. So it starts with the fact that they found a radio room that they had pulled out of the water. So they take it completely parts. And while they're at it. They make two copies of it. So that then they can they're not technically permitted to retail these parts because they don't hold the patent American Airlines holds the patent for the Boeing B seventeen design. But they they're through donation made to the museum. So the the next clever step is they go to the Smithsonian and purchase the, Mike. Proficiency with the complete set of blueprints for the b seventeen g they pay to have them digitized of all on tier takes the burdensome project of completely cataloging every single one of these parts, and I've seen the book there's a lot of parts. So now, there's they're completely digitize. So they're on computers. He can look whatever part you need and print out the sketch for that. And then they end up selling complete sets these blueprints to other be seventeen owners. So they basically recoup the costs the initial cost of buying the microfiche and having to Gitai st- there's twenty five thousand plus of these drawings for these parts. As I was walking through in having some conversations with some of the volunteers who were fabricating as parts of Massembe's. I I asked that question. I said, how do you said, you don't have the original prints or anything, do you? And they said, oh, yes, let, you know, let us show you, and it it's it's just amazing to be able to have that available into look at prince of the originals that that give you all the specifications. And they actually they do when they make usually when they make one they'll make double or triple or quadruple because champion has now become the place for the other b seventeen owners to come for parts. And as there's currently ten of them still flying or was eleven, but again, the liberty bowsman grounded until she gets her noon sell finished and put on its champagne aviation regime is being very fair about the pricing and about the kind of donation that they ask because it's become this. Collaborative sort of effort to keep these bombers these icon ick aircraft flying and sharing them with the public. And as I said earlier, they are there's so much passion and motion that surrounds this particular point. I mean, I see a lot of that in the air force museum, but not to this degree. If that makes sense, tell us a little bit about the volunteers, the kinds of people who are they are the young or old or have backgrounds in manufacturing, or who are all these volunteers. They come from all over we have doctors dentists former FBI agents engineers, we actually have the son of a World War to combat that. We have a Holland native who was retired from the Royal Dutch airforce his connection to the aircraft was as a child operation manna child. How? Where the seventeens drops tons of food over Holland. He remembers that as young lad. So that's his connection course pilots employs pilots around, you know. Army air force marines navy because now we have the new C one. A that's the newest aquisition civil air patrol. We have teachers we have mother's. We have a a young mother with a homeschool loud. I think he's ten drives some Columbus. Now every Friday, and is he's working on the aircraft because you actually have to take a riveting test. You can't just walk up to this aircraft and start doing things because the project managers responsible for certifying every single part mean, he's the one news licensed by the FAA to do. So so it's a it's a very specific process. And I the first thing I made was a Gusset ring Gusset rid wing. I think I said that right? There's three words, and I always get the order they appear missed up. But I literally went to the computer printed out the sketch went in got the medal did all the cutting did all the sanding, you know. And now it's part of the wing, and that is really. I don't know. How to explain that feeling to tell you that? I am now part of that aircraft. Who'd you ever built or create anything like that before? Now, I made a joke I've not ever operated. Power tools other than the drill in my life. And I still have all ten of my fingers. Now, you've got parts on this be seventeen. It's well, she and she is a conglomeration of five other b seventeen right? There was a like a recovery from what was Alaska. Yes. I spoke to that gentleman today. He's a very interesting jonsman. Do you know how that came about? Well, there was a it was a crashed be seventeen in. Yes, right, Alaska. Well, and see you can find the particulars of what they got from the b seventeen. And when it looked like on the website the me being me. I'm like, how did you know? It was there who told you it was there. How did you know you wanted it? So this gentleman was in Alaska visiting his daughter and son-in-law, and he goes to Dorf air force base to get his haircut. And he's in the barbershop, and he sees this gentleman wearing a jacket with the heritage museum patch on it. And so they start talking about museums and Paul at this champagne aviation volunteers name. Tells him about the project they're working on it. And the Alaskan gentlemen says will you need to go out and get this airplane. That's here that's crashed. And so he immediate problem usually goes hires a helicopter, and they can't find it. They're trying to plot it on the mat the cannot find it. And of course, as the explains to me helicopters are very expensive. They're like two thousand dollars an hour. So he comes back and makes contact with a Bush pilot as he calls it and asks him if he's aware of this crash be seventeen in the Bush pilot replies. Sure, I fly over that every day. So they go out they go up. They go out they see the site. And then he goes back to the helicopter because literally it's in the swampy area. So you have to be dropped in. He said the helicopter couldn't land. They literally had to get as close as they could to the ground. And then hop out of the the heat. To hike to the site. And it's it's a really neat story because the entire community including the towel Keaton airport donated so much of their tooling and their time to recovery the helicopter pilots donated the cost of the fuel. So something that was estimated to cost two hundred and fifty thousand dollars actually ended up costing less than forty thousand. Because of the emotional connection that these bombers and gender. It's fabulous. It is fabulous. And so this that particular bomber did not see any combat in World War Two. It was a firefighter and apparently the engine blew up in the pilot managed to land it in Alaska, and I think they've only lost one crew members that was at story, but all of the other aircraft. There's a book called final cut about all the b seventeen and existence book. Surprise. You know, it doesn't surprise you. You know? But let's let's let's go as our friend launch pad would say KiKi, there's two aircraft that I really love. And that's incident in the Fairchild. If you talk about World War Two civil air patrol. The Fairchild is actually the Fairchild twenty four is probably one of the sexiest aircraft from the thirties ever. But the Stinson also are really important aircraft for the war at home. I'm glad you guys are working on preserving that aspect of it. Besides the piece of the bombers always get all the glory. But really cool stuff is things like stint sins. And of course, I'm a fan of see one I have one living in my backyard for all intents of purposes, but MS liberty what I have what I have one living within two and a half miles away from me really at the Delaware valley historic. Aircraft association will grow. They have C one trader. I call her the ugly girl between the two youthful eighties because she's not that attractive not not next to the twenty five in the seventeen. It's not her fault. You and I share the Fairchild I love that aircraft. I'm currently engaged in active argument with one of the chief pilots. He told me that they've already given me my first flying lesson, and they keep trying to get me to come pilot. 'cause there's so few women pilots. Right. And I said only if I get fly Fairchild, I absolutely adore that plane. It's gorgeous it's red and whites and do, you know who belong to our particular one? Mary Pickford and her husband who apparently has made was buddy. He was not very good at flying. It crashed it most of the time. So Tom told me that I would not be allowed to fly that until I had four hundred hours. I said, Tom I'll be dead by then. I told him I said, I won't get my pilot's license you unless you let me fly that aircraft. But at least have you gone up in it. No, not yet. They're working annuals right now. So you need to grovel and get at least get up in it. We have one that comes in. Mid-atlantic air museums World War Two weekend every year that it actually was an official search and rescue aircraft and actually. Drop bombs on a submarine off the coast jersey. So those are the Musee hairstyle did. Yep. They they did it for civil air patrol because our Stinson did our sensens- painted in the solar patrol colors, and it still has the attachment on its wing where it carry the bomb. Nope. The Fairchild also did it believe it or not that too. That's why you come on these shows. But no. But it's. I like. For all of those people out there. I'm gonna preach. I'm gonna lay it on the line. Like, I've told the gang down at this Massoni and every year there are more craft at the house e center than the SR seventy one. And the space shuttle discovery you need to look left you need to look right and spend some time dealing with the little stuff in the corners. Because that's the stuff that you're gonna find really interesting and really loving be seventeen or amazing b twenty five's or amazing H one thousand six is still my heart. But something like a Fairchild or Stinson that. Tells you a story more than probably a b seventeen is probably a good thing. And sounds like you getting quite a collection at or Bala. Well, I agree with you one hundred percents, and this is what I'm trying to. And I'm going to say, I feel like you. Remember the three stooges when he would knock all their heads together. And it would make that coconuts. This if you can imagine it, of course, I'm surrounded by pilots and most of the male, and so I- remind them that our new mission statement that I gave them as touching lives by restoring history. Not touching lies by restoring be seventeen. Yeah. She does. Thank you for saying. I'm gonna bring you with me next time, David. So that you can perhaps make that coconut sound with their pets. It's you know, to I have a background in your museum curation and a good museum has a focus. Unfortunately, aviator museums a lot of times, they don't have a focus and what they get is. Well, somebody shows up with an airplane, and they take it. And then they don't know what to do with it. And it doesn't do that aircraft Justice, and it doesn't help to museum. So all of that. I mean, a good coherent. Curated museum is is great. And what sounds great about? Your museum is to be able to go and watch them restore it. I was last month two months ago now hard to believe I'm out in Hawaii. And they have to be seventeenth swamp. Ghost which they've restored. But you can see the background. You can see the people working you can end young people can get really motivated to. Wow. What's it? Like like, you said, I mean, you popped rivets. That's an awesome experience and kids need to see the, you know, their stem. It's great. But there's also a lot of jobs out there that required a working with your hands and getting a little greasy, and you know, being agrees monkey and all of those kind of aspects that a lot of museums tend to gloss over, you know, nobody's going to restore like the air force museum. Nobody's gonna restore like. National airspace museum. But then again, you hardly get to see what they're doing is far as restoration in this case, you've got the ability to provide a hands on experience, or at least an up close and personal experience. Yeah. Okay. I'm getting off my high horse now. Sorry. No, no, no. You've got you've got receptive audience. Here. I assure you because you use the word museum, and I've told them some aircraft and a building don't make a museum. That's not what makes a museum. It's the story have to tell it's, you know, the education that you're going to provide it is all of those things that make the museum. I agree with you. One hundred percent asked me how many times at the air force museum. The guests come in and women over the fact that the air force museum did not get a real shuttle, and but the model that they have that you can get onto that's full scale. And appreciate the size of the orbiter and look inside. The crew compartment trainer and see all of the switches and the multibillion dollar hygiene station that's worth much more than a multibillion dollar paperweight. That's oh, maybe you, and I are good to have. So. I always talk about the fact that the air force museum was crushed that. They didn't get a real shuttle. But in all fairness there in the middle of nowhere. I as far as excessive -bility and NASA wanted as much punch as possible, and they weren't going to get their first choice because NASM got their first choice, but the shuttle simulator in the crew crew simulator. That's there is is an impressive addition to that hanger and supports the air force mission. You know, and it gives other opportunities for other places to come up with something. 'cause here force museum is the air force museum. It's never it's going to be that way for the till the end of time, it's designed to be a point of reference for all United States, Air Force military aircraft as for as far as air forces concerned since its inception. Plus the enemy aircraft at what? Again. So the shuttle sort of doesn't fall into that mission low, it doesn't you're absolutely right. And thank you for that. Because the air force exited the shuttle program in the late eighties. Yes. Because they weren't big enough to carry what they needed. They went back to the rockets, and but everybody that's one of those icons again, the people associate or recognize quickly. I guess is the word I'm looking. News. But I was actually just I I hate to off the subject max, but I was actually very privileged my first year as on tier there to entertain a lady from NASA who she never really told me what she did. But I do know that she attended every single shuttle launch and landing and still was well known with a NASA, and she would hear the gusts make this comment, and she she would give them an earful. And she actually had I had an amateur photographer take photos at her request of all of the research and development planes. You mentioned the x forty seven, and you know, the shuttle and she took those into NASA NASA was thrilled with our exhibit. And that's a big compliment in my mind. Yes. Well, he is I recall when I was there at the museum there are number of vents that the museum holds and participates in in other locations. I guess you can tell us a little bit about those airshows. Yeah. Yes. Well, the be twenty-five is participating in the living history flight experience, which is a special limited categories traffic at from the IRS which allows passengers and so we all have to go to ground school training in order to be crew three crew and seven passengers. And so basically, she gives that experience of being able to fly and the bomber and retain Lee, we let people on the museum got up into the cockpit or into the sea one eighty or whatever happens to be sitting on the floor at the time this seventeen, but she goes, we'll be going to Tennessee this year to New York. Illinois course, Grimes has its own air show the one place interestingly enough because you mentioned Oshkosh. She does not go is Dayton. She will not be going to Dayton because we're not permitted to let people ride her. So which is kind of disappointment. But but you will be up in in New York at Genesee. Oh, yes. Okay. I'm planning on being there to. Yes. Good. Good. Okay. And I'm hoping Randy's actually working on the annual right now for the c one a I'm actually looking forward to riding in that. 'cause she'll be able to carry a lot of the stuff that we need to bring along with us since most of the Bombay area and whatnot is meant for passengers in the b twenty five so I was kinda looking that's in need are craft actually got to sit sit backwards. I didn't expect that at first. Well, that's because keep in mind. That's what happens when you go down and catapult it also if you were sitting for if you were sitting forward on an aircraft and most boasts carrier onboard delivery aircraft do this the to currently does it the teach do face backwards because when you hit the carrier deck you go forward. You don't really wanna get slammed into the back seat as you hit the deck. So that's why they're always facing backwards. It makes sense. Thank you for explaining that that would make sense because he'd probably not be good for your neck. Would it not really? So it's really kind of exciting because of the the amount of hours. I mean, the volunteers over the last five years put in over one hundred fifteen thousand hours now, it's just since the executive director started having them log in. So that started in two thousand fourteen so who knows how many? Hours from two thousand six to two thousand fourteen were put into this aircraft. But she's the ladies to the point where it's now become fine. Piecework I guess for lack of a better word and without a hangar. We're going to get point. We can't go any further. There's no room to put her wings on. So that's our our our newest sort of challenge. I guess is. And that's why told you Boeing is at the top of my list because the c forty seven that's a Boeing now. They bought just went right on the head Douglas, Donald Douglas. They bought them, right? Yes. Unfortunately, a Boeing forty seven. Yes. Yes. And didn't they buy Mitchell as well? Or is that one of the other ones MO the b twenty five is also Boeing because the Boeing. Purchase North American. Well, North American got purchased and went through and then became part of Boeing so Boeing there are Boeing Mustangs in their Boeing B twenty five and yes, it it's not it's discouraging. Well, nice. Like you. I love the fact I've understand eight twenty six are rare. Is that true, David, they are and and. Really? Well, anybody eight twenty six is they're not really rare. But there as rare there's not as communists to be twenty-five, but they are fairly common as a war bird. And they were and the reason why interesting enough we just tell to your conversation about your seventeen parts be twenty five survived a lot because after the war because they were used as executive transports and trainers. So there were a lot of them that went surplus and then get cut up and scrapped H one thousand six is survived a fight in both World War, Two Korea. And then Vietnam special k which is a b twenty five b twenty six K that was just restored. And was I grant bleep ranch champion last year at Oshkosh fought in Vietnam. But those aircraft a lot of them went into the firebomb our world all you have to do is. Watch always the movie the lead aircraft that gets Mr. Dreyfuss into heaven is an H one eighty six invader that's painted a lot similar to your yellow one. So the firebombers saved the twenty six fleet. So there's there's a lot of those that became Warbirds and got restored. So anything to put Pratt and Whitney or are double wasp in right? Max, of course. Yes. But the I understand the engines for the b seventeen are are all done. They're all overhauled and ready for the wings. Is that right? They are then the cells are the ones that they're working to complete now. And like I said because to are one of them goes down south, so and then we have the extra engine, which I told you is now on the lobby I painted it's container. And we've got I actually came up the idea of rigging some wire around it. So people can actually still touch it. Because again that's mission. Statement. You know, it's about touching these things. So it's it's a pretty piece of equipment. I like it are need to plan a trip to a high. Oh, I think. Do I would love to have you. Because like I said, I need some of that coconut noise. These pilots. They just you know, it's it's about more than one aircraft. It's about all of the aircraft. It's about what they did. And we are so fortunate to have so many World War Two vets over the last several years. Of course, their health is deteriorating that we have one World War at that. Is there every Saturday? He's ninety five years old. He's a tail gunner he completed thirty five missions, he shot down three Germans one of them in ace, and he still drives his own car. He still lives by himself, and he comes in. And just watch him talk to you know, young people is just amazing. I mean, he's a walking talking relic, and it's his favorite thing to do. And my socio at Frank has just finished as of Friday, the tailgunner somebody. So it's all ready to go. It's finished. He was restoring that because his father was a tail gunner who was shot down in France and became. POW for a while said that was why he had been working on that particular project to that's this is kind of the flavor of this museum that I got when when I visited well that plus is it turned out. I was I was there around lunchtime. And everybody decided they were gonna hit off to that that airport diner that kind of drew me to the to Urbana in the first place, and they invited me over, and we all we all had a nice lunch together. But it's just this. There's this feeling of participation of sort of a communal passions something like that that that's what I found when I went to that museum. Just and just randomly started talking to people I ran across. I mean, including you, Amy and and others as well. It just has a completely different field from any other museum that I've walked into. I think that's a good way to put it. I mean, it does and the engine new Idi in there. For example, he treating is a very expensive process. I'm sure you're all aware of that. 'cause you're all airplane experts, and they were spending thousands of dollars on hey, treating while we have a heat treating oven, but it's only four foot oven. So if you're thinking about those long wing spars is at term. Okay. So one of the volunteers figured out. He takes and cuts the medal. He rolls it into roles. Almost like a cinnamon roll he heat treats, it they made molds, and they have forty five minutes to unroll it mullet, and saving thousands of dollars just that kind of ingenuity that you know, commitment that investment in this project. It's just amazing to me. But you know, what they think up, and they're actually he's shown me parts of the aircraft. That are actually made better than the original aircraft is on. I looked at him. I said you can do that. He's like, yes. He's like, yes. Because we'll be flying. We want it to be more sturdy. So where the two pieces of few slush come together. Max, you know, with their apart right now, there's an extra they put an extra metal like lip. I guess relaxed better word so that when they attached together it will be reinforced so where can our audience? Learn more about the museum. Well, come visit because that's the best part, and you might get to build something. Otherwise, it's it's the website champagne aviation museum thought org. So there's a YouTube. There's a live feed. Right. Yes. So and of course, donate because I much would like to have I call it her room because sorry, David. But you know, it's it's about time for those start thinking about those wings being put on her. And that that would let the eight twenty six come inside too. Which is also on my list. I hate to see them outside like that. So we would have room for the ADA come inside. And and get worked on. And also I was very excited that they let me convince them to start working on the forty seven. We can actually get her back in the air faster than we can get the b seventeen finished which is great cool. Very well, really interesting conversation. Amy brower. I'm I'm glad I related to the museum. I'm glad that that we met that I met you that you were able to to come on the show and kind of spread the message of what the champagne aviation museum is all about. So thanks so much for that. Thank you for vitamin. I appreciate meeting. You interesting. Gentlemen. Especially david. I think David is most interesting gentlemen among us. But what do you think? Trescott? I can't disagree. Okay. All right again. Amy, thanks so much. Thank you. All right. Well, the big I think the big topic on what's up with the geeks is her adventures at sun in fund max, trescott, you you've been a number of times before over the years for me. It was the first visit the sun and fund, and I have to say it was really a an amazing event. Got to meet the lots of folks, some of them new folks that I didn't know before some of them people that I knew but had never met before. And and I got David I went flying. I went flying in the pistol motor glider, which was really really exciting. An interesting experience. It's really something you know, when you. When you leave the earth under prop power get up to two tude in turn off, the motor Feser, the feathers, the prop and and just glide from there. It's kind of it's kind of a neat experience in Matthew up in that Pippa stroll after I did as well. I did. Yeah. That's really fascinating craft. It's the CENA's. And of course, Pippa stroll has just sold her thousandth the aircraft's doing fabulous there. And what's to me was moten? Most noteworthy about this aircraft was the exceptionally long wings. They're about a fifty foot wingspan, but you can pull off or you know, with a tool you can remove the outer five feet of each of the wings, which brings it down to something like thirty nine and a half feet, which would just barely put it into a standard forty foot hangar. So I thought that was kind of interesting design, which makes the aircraft a little bit more useful. For people. But what was amazing was with those long wings when you shut off the engine. It has twenty seven to one glide ratio compare that with a Cessna one seventy two which is about a seven to one CLYDE ratio. And boy, we came down really slowly one point. We were probably I don't know maybe six seven eight miles away from the lakeland airport that four thousand feet in the pilots. Oh, yeah. We'd have don't troll gliding to their, you know, typically, I'm used to look in a point that I can glide to it's probably, you know, somewhere with a forty five degree angle down from the aircraft in this case. It was practically on the horizon. So that was pretty remarkable. Yeah. Yeah. When when I was at the the pilot we did a a to g wing over and then he handed draws over over to me. And I I was the only the only fear. I had is that he was going to have me do a wing over like that. Like, no one was going to do that. I was not not ready to do that on my own. But but otherwise, you know, did some anew bringing glided around and in in did pretty well. So it was really really cool really wanna thank Pippa stroll for for giving us that opportunity. Another thing we got we got to meet Nikki now, if if you've only started listening to airplane geeks relatively recently last year to you may not know, but Nikki was a student pilot, and she sent us reports to sort of document her progress towards getting a her pilot's license. And so it was really fabulous to to meet to to meet Nikki, and she's continued her flying. She's she kind of lives for flying these days, she's active in the civil air patrol in doing all kinds of things. So she was volunteer as part of the civil air patrol presence. They have have cadets, and and others that. What would you that man, the runways or they provide, you know, safety for the aircraft coming and going in? I don't know if you knew this but son fund presented Nikki with a safety award because it turns out to last year. There was an incident where a guy was approaching a spinning propellor in apparently didn't realize what was happening and what was going to happen to him. And. Yeah. And and Nikki is sort of sprung into action. And she says the the people around that witnessed this say that this guy came within about three feet of the propeller, and if Nikki hadn't gotten there and done, which he did that, you know, he he'd he'd be dead. So they gave her an award for that. So that was pretty cool. Wow. That's. Remarkable story. I had not heard that. Yes. Yes. It was out towards the end of the the not the war. Yeah. I guess the Warburg area. But in fact, she showed me some some plastic fencing that they now have up there to provide a barrier just because of that incident. So the you know, they made that change, but it was great great being at the the the radio station. Lot of aviation podcasters a ton of aviation podcasters. Were there got to meet a lot of great great folks, the va Larry's, both both of the Larry's lots of other place, lots of other people Dave abbey, and this there's so many people that it was just a great experience. I had terrific time. You know, one thing that because he kept asking me because of my first time at sun and fun kind of what my big impression was and one of my characterizations. I think of. The experience overall is that I love attending weekend airshows and typically go both days, but still even over two days, you you feel kind of constrained by the schedule. You know, if there's something going on, you, you know, that you want to catch you've got to be there because that's it. That's the opportunity whereas with a week long show. It's it's a much more relaxed different kind of atmosphere with with the blue angels performing on four different days. If you're in the middle of, you know, a great conversation with somebody in miss the blue angels performance. It's it's not a big deal because they're flying again tomorrow, and you could just go then I thought that really changed the sort of the pace of the, you know, of the time there, and the the, you know, your Billy to do many, many different things and still be able to do everything. It's a really nice show. Oh, I think what one of the nice things about it is it's a little bit more compact than the larger show to the north which makes it a little bit easier to to get around. I found that I was carrying times a fairly large pack because I was giving presentations every day, and you had to get from the parking lot to where I was giving presentations, and it was pretty easy to hitch a ride almost every every leg of the way with either golf cart passing by or with the with the trams. And so I would say there's a little bit less walking than at the at the really big show. In fact, was one humorous incident. I know you recall the very first day that I was there you rob market, and I were going to meet for lunch at s in the sun and Fun Radio location. That was going to be around twelve fifteen and I was worried that I might be a few minutes late, and I saw golf car to go flying by me, which came to a stop because there was a cart blocking in front of it. So I'm behind the golf cart. And I said, hey, can I have a lift and the driver turns around and goes. Yeah. And then he did a double take and looked around Max's that you, of course, it was rob Mark. So we were both rushing to meet each other. But we ride at exactly the same time. Pretty funny. But you know, I I found it was fun running into people that are from California that I don't see accepted places like funded other large airshows. So that's pretty funny in it's kind of interesting that, you know, some of these people don't live more than twenty thirty miles from me. I never see him out here. I see them out there. So those are some of the connections. I enjoy making when I'm there I gave presentations every day one day to to seminars was my night flying safety seminar at the other one new one that I've put together called so you want to fly or bias Cirrus. And of course, I mentioned the news talk podcast at the beginning of the seminars had the seminar on Saturday for the Cirrus early on. I said and how many people have ever listened to the aviation news talk podcast more than half the hands went up. I thought I had never seen that before. He usually usually it's just barely half. The hands of heard what a podcast. Is. Thrill that a lot of my listeners came out for that, you know, particular podcasts. Yeah, it's kind of for that particular seminar. So it is kind of fun to run into listeners Lotte listeners, you know, sent me a text and emails and we met up with a few of them and it was quite enjoyable now. Speaking of highlights, there's one that I'm surprised you didn't mention where were you viewing the blue angels on Friday well on Friday for for that particular. Blue angels demonstration I was actually up on the balcony around the top of the airport tower. Oh, I had a command view of the blue angels demonstration. I it was really, you know, it's different. It's a different perspective when you're up high like that for for one thing, you can see farther to the figuratively to the right and left. So in other words after they make a pass over center field. Of course, they continue on and they have to form up or regroup, and you can see a lot more of what they're doing out in the distance out of your out of your your view. If you're down on the flight line watching. So that was pretty interesting. So and you almost out there. Why didn't make it up there? But I wasn't able to stay for very long. We have kind of a comedy of errors. I didn't know that you were headed there. And once I found that you were there I headed over there. And they let me through the gate because I said I wanted to join my podcast or front at the top there. I got up to the. Top. We're looked all over dude. And see you and they said, okay, let someone escort this gentleman back down. Again. I think my mistake was not saying that I was part of the media since we had our our media passes their lo and behold, I could see you because you're on the balcony outside. So it was only once I got back down and had left the gate area that I discovered through their phone call or text message that hey, I was within a couple of few. But the thing that really struck me about the view from up there is that the blue angels, look like they're substantially at eye level. Was that your experience? Yeah. Yes. And and you'll and and you'll quickly learn that the blue angels, don't necessarily look like what you're supposed to look like you're down on the ground. Yes. It is different. They a lot of the Thunderbirds in the blue angels. Okay. This is how dorky I am. And how many times I've seen them is from various other angles other than show center, the formations don't look anything like what UC? So the diamond pass in review they are in a formation that makes it look like the diamond pass in review at show center ground, if you're up high or farther down range or maybe in line with the end of the runway, you're going what am I seeing? You get a different perspective. The angle allusions the allusions that the blue angels and the third of birds play. Yes, I mean, not to take anything away from the, you know, the flying skills. No not. But but but they do do that. Yeah. And I think they do the same with the noise because the, you know, the sound patterns were in some cases, you know, a bit different. So I think that not only do they fly in patterns, and in ways that impacts this or the visual impression of it. But I think they do the same with the engine or another way to put maybe more simply and directly as I think they you know, they sort of throw the exhaust the crowd. So that you know, you get the the maximum affect of the sound of the engines. But yeah that was spectacular. And it looked to me like the towers actually, police location wise, you're probably I would guess at least a third of a mile from from show center. And yet there were many times when all the aircraft were passing each other right there next to the tower was homeless like some of The Moor's looks like they were being put on for the benefit of the traffic controllers. And by the way, kind of estimated that tower was roughly. One hundred twenty feet, so it's a pretty tall tower. And it was a great great, you know, vantage point. Yeah. So as I mentioned before we have some some great interviews I'm still exhausted from the week. And so I can't I won't be able to think of all of them. But few of them, we have the executive director who helps explain that sun and find this is this is a campus where a lot of activities take place throughout the year. This is not a situation where everybody comes in for one week for an air shows and everybody goes home and comes back again one year later, there are significant educational a variety of activities that take place throughout the year. So we we talk about that. I talked with a teenager who in order to fund his flight training created a company and sells related products. So. You look forward to hearing that. And this mother interesting interviews, I ran across a family. They have a family business of doing G A aircraft, primarily not exclusively actually, but primarily g aircraft interior restorations, and, you know, customer interiors, so they, you know, work with the pilot to pick fabrics and pick colors that complement the airplane and in the effect that the pilots trying to achieve and they pride themselves in the quality of their work. But also in being able to turn around quickly. So that the pilots not without playing for too long. So we had interesting conversation with them and a number of others as I said, we'll be bringing those to you in the coming weeks. So what do you think same time same time next year? Same time next year. No doubt about it. I also one of the thing. I know I could go on. I just so I'm still on the high from from this event. So the I drove from Connecticut to Atlanta and the and I spent Sunday night with dispatcher Mike's family. He's got three kids wonderful kids and in the plane would was to fly down from from Atlanta to lakeland Florida for sudden fund in his nineteen sixty three beach musketeer but Mike woke up Monday morning sick as dog he had a fever. And there was no way he was going to be able to to fly. He shouldn't be and be filing. So I said, well, I guess I'm gonna drive the rest of the way to Florida now we were going to camp out with his plane. He had the tent I'm on my way to Florida suddenly now, so I had to stop and buy tent, and I'm thinking you were you were in a in a in a hotel max. But you know. Yeah. My idea of camping. Is pull up the Hilton Eappen? Right up late. So I wasn't really. Terribly looking forward to sleeping on the ground. But you know, what that is a big part of the experience to is the the people you meet to the conversations that happen, the friendships that are created just by living in a campground with a bunch of other people. I it's so I'm not sure if I want to get a hotel next year or if I'm gonna camp next year, but Nevada I will be there. Next year also told the folks of the sun, Fun Radio who are amazing bunch by the way that I'm going to hopefully, become a volunteer next year to help them out and kind of contribute. You back. Some more. That was definitely a fun place to hang out that was really essentially, the main meeting place for for Maxon me when we were there as it was for a number of other podcasters in the volunteers there they've shall better and his team are just very warm welcoming. And we felt like we belong there. So that was it was it was nice. And of course, it's very central location. So it was a good place to to hang out and be in the shade a little bit and have some fun folks to talk with and a place to sit down and things like that. So yeah, it was it was definitely an awesome experience. One of the things that I heard, and I don't know all the details on this. And you probably got this from the director something I had known before. But apparently all of the profits from Sunan fund a plow directly into aerospace education. Yes. Kinds of activities. What what more do, you know about that? Yes. Actually, the the week long son infl- son in fun fly in and expo is the the major source of. Funding for all of these educational opportunities that they provide throughout the year. So it's that's that's how it's viewed. They actually have an you'll hear all this. But they've they actually won an award for the degree to which. And this is this is my terminology. You'll hear the proper terminology in the in the interview. But for the way, they leverage the fly in the air show, and the way they leverage all of the the educational opportunities that that they provide a meal, you'll hear about how many pilots have been created, you know, as a result of this, and, you know, the impact on students from the area, and and so forth. So they've got some recognition and other airshows around the country frequently come to, you know, benchmark son and fund to learn. Yeah. How do they use this great asset to educate? More create more pilots and do all these things that you want to accomplish. So I it really isn't amazing thing. That's that's a great interview coming up. There's one other aspect that things have changed. I hadn't been Sunan fund for probably about six years. And when I was last there presentations, give them by folks, like me work done intents. And I thought that's what it would be like again this year. And I was quite surprised to find that that all of our presentations were indoors most of them were at the place. I was not familiar with and that's the central Florida aerospace academy, and this is pretty remarkable. This is a centrally a high school with a focus on 'aeronautics in aviation. It's a rather large facility. Let's see I think it it was three stories tall lot of classrooms in it. And I was essentially teaching in a classroom how you felt like back to high school. With the, you know, the kinds of desk there in the bulletin boards and stuff like that. So that's a rather unique asset I'm not aware of any other school like this where in the world, but pretty amazing that for folks interested in aerospace, engineering, they can go to a high school. It's geared right toward them. Yes. Yeah. I instead of thinking of of of this as an airport or is a big campground or is lots of fields the way to think of it is it's a campus. It's a campus. It happens to have runways and control tower and schools and a museum, and you know, all of these things so fascinating stuff. The only negative. I would say is connectivity. In many cases, even text messages took you know, half an hour to go through that was kind of a problem. So I bet we have tons of great listener feedback at the geeks airplane, geeks dot com. But honestly, I haven't even looked at it. So for those of you who have written in. Hoping to to hear us respond to your to your emails. You'll have to have to be a little patient as we get kind of caught up with that and get more sleep than we've been having the last in the last week before we close out anything else. So we want to touch on. Well, can I do my what's going on with the geeks? You know, David would pale compares, no go. Go ahead. Good. Mike tweeted out the other day and Mike yet kept me up all night. No, Mike tweet. Well, he was he retweeted the fact that he didn't realize that a certain aircraft that he said someone near and dear to him would know that there was at least fifty seven variants of. And the person you're endeared him was me, and the the aircraft. They were referencing was the C one thirty so Mike I decided to give you a little research project since I was up all night thinking of all the variants. So as as of right now you need to do the following. Hopefully, you're ready to dictate this and writing this down. So these are variants of these are these are, okay. I'll be specific. They are non transport variants of the C one thirty and they are only United States Air Force or navy variants or Marine Corps. There are no foreign variants in this list. Okay. And what's in the list? Well, here's the list. Okay. Here's the variants for all you to research. Mike up the triple C the combat king the combat king to the combat shadow the combat solo combat spear combat. Talent one in two commanded to command solo compass. Call credible sport dragon spirit ghost rider gunship to harvest hawk H C one thirty eight crown Fulton pave pronto pave spectre ski birds spectre spooky stinger surprise package and last but not least fan Albert. Did. You create this list off the top of your head. I mean, you you didn't did you look these up or did, you know these? No, I knew most of them. Yes. Yeah. Double check my other ones. But I think I missed TAC TAC Immo too. So yeah, it's kinda like see see when thirties it's kind of like the same list that you know, name every aircraft Thunderbird, flew and name every aircraft a blue Angels' flow. Yeah. You know? So yeah, that's that's your that's your little research project. Mike, so. Very good. I have I have the thirty or forty books on the on the subject if you'd like to read them. All right. Okay. Well, I think that's that's going to do it for this episode. Maxine some are you going flying tomorrow? Max, oh, I've been flying already today. I had about six hours of flight training, by the way, I just pulled up a tweet that came through a day or so ago in it was kind of timely because I had been teaching about the Sears at sun and fund from at flight notes on Twitter. He tweeted out headed dream that I want a brand new series SR twenty two and max Truscott was helping me transition to it from the warrior. Also, the panel had a built in spread so machine the tag of coffee here someone else replied and said the best part of waking up as an SR twenty two in your Cup. Wonderful. All right. This wrap this up Amy Bauer from the champagne aviation museum. Amy, thanks so much for coming on the show. Why we look forward to seeing you are you going to be up in New York yourself. Good. Well, at least I'll see they're it's not that far for me. I know you all you all should come. And I'll see if I can't wrangle a ride for you. That'd be great. I became for. What you say there? Well, if you ask my axe who's met me he knows that. I can be quite persuasive. Yes. Yes. Yep. Yep. Yep. I've already made my hotel reservation sexually. Well, as I understand it. There's not that many places to stay. So I made sleeping in a tent on the field. Like you did in Florida. Yeah. Actually, I got a sweet or something and rented a floor that would have been great. 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