David Crosby - 'David Crosby: Remember My Name'
Hi everyone and thank you for tuning into the two hundred eighty eighth episode of awards Cheddar the Hollywood reporters awards podcast. I'm the host Oh Scott Feinberg and I have very mixed feelings about this one. My guest is David Crosby. The legendary singer-songwriter who has twice been inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame I in Nineteen ninety-one for his work with the ban the birds from nineteen sixty four through nineteen sixty sixty seven and then in nineteen ninety-seven for his work with the band crosby stills Nash which was sporadically Crosby Stills Nash and young from Nineteen Sixty eight through well. I guess we'll see I was so excited to have crosby on the podcast. The fixed called him quote one of the best singers that America has produced in the twentieth century close quote The New York Times said that the birds were quote along with the beach boys the first American band too seriously challenged the primacy of the Beatles close quote and music connection described crosby stills Nash Young as quote the Beatles with an American Twain close quote adding that they quote brought Manchester to Monterey close quote in short. David crosby is a musical genius now seventy seven. He is also the subject of terrific new documentary feature called David Crosby remember my name which was directed by A._J.. Eden and produced by Cameron Crowe and which Sony Classics Acquired at the Sundance Film Festival back in January and released in theaters today a day Friday July nineteenth. I caught it back in the spring at the Boulder International Film Festival and Like Rolling Stone critic Peter Travers who called it quote one of the best rock docks of all time close quote. I thought it powerfully captures what makes crosby cosby so great and so difficult he was after all essentially kicked out of both his bands by his fellow bandmates for being in his own words and asshole. This interview was recorded at the Office of the Hollywood reporter today at four thirty P._M.. It was supposed to start at four P._M.. But I was asked to push it back so that crosby who's not in great health and had been promoting the doctrine which of the day could have some time to eat. I of course happily agreed a little before four thirty I met him and one of the film's publicists <unk> outside of our offices when they arrived escorted them up to our podcast studio and there were nothing but good vibes at that point and as the podcast got going as always had made sure ahead of time that the publicist with whom I set up the interview gave the interview subject advance notice that every episode of this podcast is sort of a career overview they assure me that they did so as you'll hear I reiterated that as we sat down to begin recording because I get that it's particularly a bit strange three Hash someone's personal and professional milestones in promotion one of a documentary that rehashes personal professional milestones but I was upfront about what this was crosby agreed to participate and I sincerely believed that I was nothing but respectful throughout our time together to make sure you get the full picture of how this all went down and we have not edited out awkward pauses or confrontations only us an comes in the lake it takes a little while but you'll hear that crosby didn't like going through the major moments of his life which I had researched immensely and was trying to t- up for him you'll hear that he wanted it to get to the documentary and we would have but we go chronologically on this podcast and we're only halfway through our agreed upon time together when things really blew up you'll hear that he was abrasive and rude at multiple points so I offered to stop and really a bit my tongue a few times but at a certain point I was no longer willing to be insulted and so I ended things anyway. Take a listen in decide for yourself. Thanks so much for doing this honor to have you on the podcast. I have seen this movie as I mentioned to you the Documentary Your Life David Crosby remember my name. I loved it. I know a lot of people are loving it. I just want to say to you because I know that the people that have seen the documentary and you as well we're going to some of these questions are gonNA sound redundant but for the that's really for the people who haven't yet to sort of wet their appetites so I hope you'll indulge me if we go over some thanks. I'm feeling so good about it. You can ask me any thank thank you well. We always begin with on this podcast with just some basics. Where were you born and raised in? What is your folks do for a living? I was born right here. Los Angeles California. My Dad was a cinematographer. Yes a great one great one very talented man and his this job he won one of the First Academy Awards they gave out for a silent movie called Taboo which is still highly regarded. He won a Golden Globe for high noon which is probably his best known work. Yes I was raised in Westwood. I went to you E._S. that at U._C._L._A.. We moved out when I got to about fifth grade to Santa. Barbara was raised there. And how far did you go with your education first year college. I Guess Stephen Up to that point. I've read and seen in the film. What are you were a fiery kit right you? That's what it yeah. I used you get in trouble a lot. Yeah I was not mean or anything but it was a you know an imp- I had a sense of humor that was problematical night certainly did not handle authority well at all. When did you start committing teddy petty crimes? You know I don't know probably I stole a sugar about five or something who knows I really have no graduated to you. Actually there were some mm-hmm actual crimes crimes. When I was bought the time I was gone a gun out of high school and it was going? I think that enduring that for sure I did somebody and I did hit a couple blouses just being silly but stealing the liquor I mean you didn't if you were to describe your upbringing. What would you say upper middle people no but I mean like just financially you were well to do right or no emily? No no no no no. No we had a recycle. That's why I went to the good school. Okay yeah okay. When did it become apparent that you were musically gifted? They tell me that I started singing harmony. We used to sing yeah. It's kind of odd thing when when T._v. showed up okay in the fifties people who made movies thought it was the enemy yes they were. They're afraid that no longer would people come to theater all right so it was kind of the enemy nobody had yet figured out that they could put movies T._V. Right but they hadn't figured it out yet so they were kind of Miami so we didn't have a T._v.. Long after everybody else got him we didn't we were movie because Yeah Your Father Adamant Yeah we sang songs. We had the fireside book a folk songs. My Brother Play Guitar. Dan played a little mandolin. My mom saying my mom was really good. She had a good for it and <hes> we sang songs and <hes> they tell me I started seeing harmony when I was about six just let's say there's a musically illiterate person out there only because this is a term that's GonNa come up throughout your whole career when you say saying harmony what is harmony mean if this is a melody line right here up here up here up here are other notes that go along with it those are harmony and so. When did you yourself decide to try to do something with the music I know you were starting out like a lot of like most aspiring singers in coffee houses in bars and stuff but like was that because you thought this could be a profession didn't really had and thought it out that far the minute I tried it? I loved it immediately right away and I worked in a coffeehouse as a bus boy and a dishwasher because they would let me sing harmony with the guy I who is being paid to sing and that was thrilled for me. I loved it immediately and you know I had fought. You know that I was probably GonNa WanNa try to do something. My Dad was in movies movies pretty glamorous you Um yeah. Maybe I could be an actor but in a minute I sang but just yet. Did you know anyone directly who made a living as a singer. You're not Dan no-no so so. How do you form a game plan about how to make that happen? Well back then was folk here right. This is pre rock and roll and it was customary for you to go on the road as a folk and find a way to make a living when you know playing in little clubs coffee houses there was a circuit of them all over the country and they paid very little but they did pay mosasaurs has the hat. There was a lot of that particularly in New York. There's are called basket house okay and yeah. There was a lot of that when I got to New York. That's how I lived pessina basket afterwards but there was you know you could do it. I mean it certainly. Wasn't you know high ticket. When I moved from New New York Down to Miami Florida it was me a cardboard box for shirts and one guitar and we wrote the Greyhound and so you start in Santa Barbara? You said I've gotta hit the road and try the Coffee House circuit. You wind up in New York than. Than Miami when did things start to actually gain traction in terms of actually started somewhere like Arizona and then Colorado and then New York and then San Francisco and then back to New York and then finally down to Miami I spent a long time in San Francisco Sausalito Gate six and probably two three year period is folksy and how did the birds come about pretty easy. I walked into the TROUBADOUR and I heard chain Clarkin. Roger Maguette and gene was writing. These was gifted guy man. He didn't know the rule see just wrote when he felt like he was trying to be like the Beatles well. The result was kind kind of a good thing and he was doing it and Roger was playing Roger. Man is a gifted musician. You can like it or not like him but boy he doesn't know what he's doing and <hes> he brought a magic to it and as as soon as I heard it I wanted to stay with it so I started saying along with them. But how did you convince them that they had to do is here so they heard you and they knew and and so basically we talked about what a harmony is but harmonizing so you now. This is what you guys were were known for. Its basically what what made your harmonizing with these guys so great. Was it just or what makes any harmonizing. It's it's the combination of the voices this. Is You know it's it's it's the choice of note yet. Then it's the texture of the notes and the skill of the singer but if the choice of the notes more than anything and I had been exposed to a lot of really good music I listened to a lot of the weavers for instance lot folk music and the weaver did good harmony. They were good at it. I listened to Joan. Baez listened to Josh White at listen to Odeta. I'd listen to some pretty good people and then I heard the Everley brothers and Iraq my good harmonies. I listened to a ton of classical music yeah a ton. That's what my parents played every Sunday every of my life that affects you. That's really good for you and then my brother turned me onto late fifties jazz gerry Mulligan Chet Baker Dave Brubeck that that era and <hes> I mean you sounds like from the documentary you really kind of worship culture and right. I loved the Guy Man. It's hard knocked you. I Love I love mile same way mouse cut one of my tunes man kidding wow yeah it's cool yikes really yeah but they're keyboard players affected me more than they did. You Know Bill and Bill Evans big time but McCoy tyner stretch my head truthfully. That's why I started retuning guitar was that they played commonly all the time chords that I couldn't big dense tone clusters and they were delicious and I wanted them and you could get that in you know when you read the guitar soon as <hes> this kid from the Mid West I can I think of his name. I no is guys named. Turn me onto the Gwen attorney yeah yeah as soon as I got in that tuning minutes. Oh my we'll so before you guys before the birds how much folk rock which is what you guys came to be labeled labeled. How much of that was there? who were you modeling yourselves after the Beatles Beatles yeah there? Wasn't anybody else yeah really. There were San Francisco ban starting but we started I and we consciously I just wanted to plow same field that they had just opened up. They took folk music kind of changes and rock and roll backbeat and made a new kind amusing and that was our our world because the birds you guys formed in sixty four. The Beatles hadn't been around for much before that right just a little bit just an versus hard day's night yes yes yes the other thing I think with the benefit of history I look back and I wonder is you came along and we're pioneer of this new era of the singer songwriter before you usually were one or the other and they're all these varying factors that at dependent on how you look at it wasn't just your voice all these different things right. If you had come along a few years before you actually did what would have happened to you. Would you have been a singer or a songwriter or neither or how would it have affected your life. I think I would have gone the same route but I think I would have. I you know and that's really hard when say the transition to electric was a major thing because then when you get one of when you mean you to fender guitar on Your Hands You WanNa play rock and roll and when did that really start. I'm trying to happen. As soon as we started the birds I got a gretch electric denied he if you had seen me standing in front of a mirror trying to figure it out of hold on Electric Guitar Place in the up you at a laughed yourself off into us with hysterical I can still see myself doing well. I guess really the first album that you guys put out in sixty five had the song on it that put you guys on. The map went to number one in the U._S. U._K.. Eh was adapted from Dylan right because he wrote it you Mr Tambourine man and this was the first manifestation of what you're talking about right of taking an existing form of music and putting a new twist on it right yeah yeah a- As mcglynn explains in documentary it was a two four four key Kenner Mr Damn Agreement and mcguigan God bless him he took it and you know made that record out of it. He has a a gift for that. I don't know anybody who can do bob stuff better than Roger. I think he's the the champ at it. I tell you a story yeah. We're cruising along sunset boulevard in a station wagon. Nineteen fifty-six Ford Station Wagon Reagan all five of us with our gear in the back I think but all five us in in station wagon and we're listening to kate shake Charolais one of those right and came on down dead or bad and we are freaking <unk> out the first time we'd heard it on the radio first yourselves and we pulled over for real cheering at then they played again the only time ever heard a radio station play the thing twice and we actually we got out of the car dancing and we could not believe that we were slow through when you guys now have a little traction comes your second album this in the same year and on that one just to give an an example of one of the great songs on their turn turn turn. Where's that one come from because that's that's almost like a P._t.? Yeah Wonderful Peachy took those words from the Bible Yeah and he wrote the music too and they made a wonderful song. Yeah and Roger Again took Oh folk thing that didn't sound that like that and turned it into that record. I thought that phone down down. Don't don't how bone that but that's not a big deal. The the big deal is how Roger made the the record happened. He's he's good at our country. How quickly were other people trying to copy? What you immediately yeah? Oh Yeah who did it the most effective uh-huh sunny chair yeah because they year to instantly yeah right away. How do you write a song with a group of people? Let's take eight miles high for instance. This is march sixty six your ostensibly writing about air travel not really maybe a do blow in terms and they're trying to fit how that came about was but just as an example of how group of people write a song together. You know everybody contributes. <hes> gene came with the idea for the song and wrote you know a lot of it. Maybe most of the of the words Roger I wrote most of the music or gene. I don't know we wrote it together and it came out like tat. It's not common writers generally are very turf conscious and they want the credit and they want the money and they want their publishing bigger and you know it's like they don't generally do it. I do it all the time yeah for very good reason. The other person always thinks something you did yeah always broadens the spectrum and always widens the pallet the the work in from and that's it has nearly invariably if you're very picky about who you do it with and I am yes but I write with me and my son James is one of the best writers I've ever encountered and Michalik holy hikes and Becca Steven one of the most amazing writers ever encountered and Michelle Willis and Michael McDonald. I write with a lot of people for short but I'm very picky about who to stick with the eight miles high example. You have said that that's long was ridden when you guys were stoned is easier or harder to write when you're stone. I don't think it really goes either way. I think a lot of people like it because they feel comfortable in their stone and they're they're like loosen Goosey and their fooling around with a guitar and what do you think about this and it's kind of easy nip. I don't think it generates anything you know. I don't think you can become a writer if you smoke adjoining. It's not like that. I think it's a matter of comfort you know and it depends on what kind of mind you have and what. What kind of relationship you have with whatever it is? You're stoned on. I only think that pot which is like beer and wine. That little is okay to work on. I don't do it before I do concert now well I think I think I do a better the job if I bring all the brain cells that are still holding hands to the party because it's a delicate balance man taking people on a ride in concert you work in very small nuances and you and it's it's an amorphous thing out there in between you in them that you're trying to shape. It's very intuitive and very tricky and on. I like to bring everything I got. You know I do like afterwards. I definitely only get worse well. Let's talk about three years after the birds formed the birds as they were originally incarnated ended and I want to ask you you you have said another interview I I read a lot of them to prep one of them. Quote after that eight miles high younger than yesterday period there was no significant advance that I know of there was also no birds after that that I know of and it's a provincial attitude but as far as I'm concerned there were only five birds ever period close quote meaning what essentially happened in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven is the literally come to you the other guys in porsches and tell you you're out and I just wonder if you are certain why that came about I mean one of the theories was that they didn't like Tra. I don't think that was a big deal. I think it was partly it's kind of anal. It's a Biscay. If you're very straight the song about three it would seem you know like that'd be risque to the <hes> I think I was excessive in all kinds of directions. I was getting very high. I was also very political and very convinced that the J._f._K.'s assassination was not anything like what they told us it was and still quite sure that's the case and you said this at the Monterey Yeah. That wasn't a real popular move look. Here's here's how they felt yeah. I said this documentary they wanted to be successful. Ban Uh not not having much money and and it was we needed to make a living and we were trying to be a success and on that whole political thing just that was like it. It certainly didn't please Roger Yeah and you know he's got a right to feel how he feels. I think that's quite a handful besides that anyway. I wondered if something else I read in one thing was correct. which was that even before? You guys broke up. You were occasionally. Were you in any way sort of separately performing with Buffalo Springfield Yeah so did that 'cause jealousy. Do you think with province uh because they so just remind people because I needed this reminder Buffalo Springfield was only around from like sixty six to sixty eight or something very short period of time sorta like the birds in their original incarnation. Can what happens if you get kneeling depend. Eh you get neil yeah well so so in this case that was your introduction to Stephen Steinmetz Stephen Chris. Hey listen you get here. The span took me down there whiskey and we heard does springfield any field and I was very taken with them. I thought they were there. Writing was much better than normal bands. You know and Stephen Neo Right in both really good and I love the to the tune lean guitars plan completely different styles. You know aw I liked the whole thing I like. I was very taken with Steven. He's a cocky young Guy Man Played His aso yeah. He man a guy in authority on on guitar he he just his time was so good and he is Latin field with so good. His bluefield was so good he good he still and I was very taking with him. I came from beyond where we didn't do any blues. At all period. There was none of that at all Roger didn't go there. There wasn't we're Roger was built from but you wanted to. Of course I wanted you know right by then rock and roll was rock and roll and you that was where where I wanted to go and Stephen L. Life each other. I liked his writing. You know he was right in pretty good song and and he like mine and those kind of a natural thing neal had split and he needed another guy to do Monterey so I filled it and basically I think just to be clear to for listeners. It's not like the birds or Buffalo Springfield broke up because there was now going to be crosby stills Nash there was this gap there they were coming apart at the same yes remember Neil right and that was bad for them and so but but we just chronologically it's important really important to know that it was in that gap between the end of the birds in the beginning of Crosby crosby stills Nash that you went to Florida Ray and this is where you have your first encounter with Joni Mitchell which we hear about in the film and all of that you have been very emphatic that you feel that of the people from the the came up with you. She was the most talented was that apparent from that first time you saw in coconut growth from the first fifteen seconds I one hundred years they'll look back and they'll say okay she involved were the two best poets and she was ten times musician Bob. What and that's it? That's how it is you know I I'm only Dylan Fan man. I seeing a lot of dylan but johnny was as spectacularly early advanced a musician as the both of them were as wordsmiths Johnny better than me. I'll tell you that better than anybody. I know better than anybody I've ever heard so I think yeah I think she's unquestionably the best singer songwriter the top and of singer-songwriter head and shoulders above everybody both of the Paul's above Randy Newman of anybody man <hes> Donald Fagin any any Anindya writer people that I love you know James Taylor people I really worship she'd better and so there were multiple reasons why you wanted to bring her back to L._A.. Right where to bring her to L._A.. Where you were now where you already living in Laurel Canyon or not multiple reasons? Are we getting pornographic. Well I know just that there were romantically interested that started in Florida right and then also you wanNA producer I I offered to you and so she comes back and what I just wondered though is when you guys get back to L._A.. Were you already now. Living in Laurel Canyon or was with her that you that you guys moved to Laurel Canyon I have to ask we're going to go through in my entire history week by week. No no no but just what we're doing here okay well. What would you would you like to do? I prefer to talk about the last four records in a row that I just made. I mean we have an hour. We're GONNA get this all right but definitely no. We're creeping along here. Okay I had already been living and why had you chosen. I mean now everyone sort of retroactively knows what that's about but at the time was already known as a kind of artists colony or no Hell No. We were trying to get above the smock artist because there was maybe I was the first one and move up there because I had been born in L._A.. And I knew how bad the smog was. I wouldn't go live down in the valley and I sure wouldn't go live downtown right and couldn't afford to live in Beverly Hills. So you go up you. Go up the hills and there's smog line and if you get up high enough you're out of a small and that's where we went. How is it possible that there are such differing hiring recollections of how the three guys I got? What's that this is look? You're asking me to do my entire history in the music business week by week here. I'm trying to be patient but will really what we're doing. I don't understand what what did you think we're going to do. Okay okay well if you don't WanNa do we don't have to do it. I just I mean I didn't know that's what this was. It's a I wrote this down books man. You could read it. I I have read it then. Why are we doing because because our listeners haven't read it and this is GonNa make them go see the documentary? We haven't talked about the documentary. We're going through in Colorado Week by week and we are very near the beginning I I'm just saying this is about the documentary which I'd love to talk about. You're asking me it's just that everybody knows that is historically latently all over the map. I think you're are the reason I'm asking. Is that not everyone knows it so we're going to get new people people who want to go but if you don't WanNa do we don't have to do we can stop right now. I'm not trying to make it unpleasant unpleasant. It's just Kinda dumb but your head. Nobody can do this all day and it's just I I get to Durham. I think everybody already knows all. Alicia the okay but I can tell you like people in their thirties in their twenties who listen to this. Don't okay what's going. I mean I I have a bunch of questions like this. Go ahead all right. I think we I don't know what is the actual story of how you guys. I came together as a fan. I heard still sing zinc yet and I heard this songs and I was very drawn to guy was immensely channel. That cash introduced me to this guy this English dry. I had no idea he was to know what Bandy was into and to know what he's saying to know anything about him but after I met him then she turned out to who that was so I went when they came to the whiskey government which is odd. This all happened at the whiskey. I'd never really put that together. When the hollies played their whiskey I wouldn't listened and the guy was any incredible harmony singer from maybe the best I've ever heard and <hes> time passes and Ice Star? I start singing with with Stephen because he's got these songs and they're good. They're really we good helplessly. Hoping you hear that good and you WANNA sing on it. It's fun and we're seeing one. We were at Janis House in Laurel. Canyon and Stephen is saying in a warning win you rise that's on and Nash was there and he put the top part on. He's we did it. We sang it. He said that's fantastic. Would you again. We sang it again. He said one more time and we looked at each other went so he sang at the third time he put the top part on that point. We knew exactly what we were going to be doing for the next few years with no question. What were the greatest strengths that you each brought to the table there were there was an overlapping or did you each have very distinct things in your in your view that you brought to the ban writing for everybody or for everyone yeah everybody's good writer harmony nationally? We're we are two of the best harmony any singers and together. We're a founding <hes>. We're not friends right now but there's only been ever a few people that saying like that together the ever lease indigo girls real good handful other people beach voice yeah I it's not many people get a blend and he we did right away and I think just to illustrate the kind of dispersal of of what you each were doing even just from that the first album released in the summer sixty nine self named after the ban Marrakesh Express was written by Gram Sweet Treaty Blue Eyes by Stephen and Guevara by you and each. It's feels like it seems like we're quite personal personal. Would you talk amongst each other always about the motivations for something like this or would it just be understood. There was a reason a personal reason for writing a song. Now we knew what the songs were about you know from each other because we were song is the important information is in how different they work and how they juxtaposed against each other in a record and that was wonderful. We we're making that record. We knew we knew we were doing some of the best work of our lives all right then we had no idea whether it'd be success or not. We didn't know that it would go to levels that it went to but the music was we invited every friend we had over all the time we cast would come down often Joni a lot of people so that period of just a few months in in sixty nine now fifty years ago to have such highs in such lows to have that first album come out to have meanwhile just the less than a mile away the Manson stuff happening with a at a House that I think you knew about and then to have this personal tragedy in your own life with your girlfriend. Do you believe that you were a different person. After that the whole back to back to back massive highs and massive lows <hes> the other things weren't significant next Christine Yeah. That's a tough one. I don't know if you were anybody you go that you loved but it's hard and did things like drugs become more of a problem after that as a way out the yeah heroines painkiller yeah and that's where the problem was a lot of pain. Yeah doesn't work of course doesn't work at all just makes things worth right and led to my eventual downfall but I'm one of the few lucky people that managed to get out the other end to this day. I'm baffled as to why I made it and and so many my friends did not well. That's one of the most powerful moments in the documentary. I think when Karen Crow S you. Why are you still l. here and many of the reviews and articles of noted? It just seems like there's no rationale right now rational reason why that would be not that I know yeah so you had known Neil from the Buffalo Springfield infield kind of dappling but was I heard that you guys were looking at Steve Winwood a whole bunch of people to possibly join is that not true or how did end up being neil. I don't think it would have been when we're now there. Were other people there were friends of Arthur. We thought about John Sebastian Yeah. We didn't need another person. We were just curious. When we made the record we kinda realize we SORTA did need somebody because Stephen Played Keyboard and guitar and when Stephen headed move the keyboard who was going to play the Guitar Stephen Knew What Neal was? That's why partnered up with the first time we didn't but once I heard Neil songs that he was writing when any question my mind I wanted to be in a band with that guy and he was writing wonderful sock a much higher level and most people around him you know he hadn't really developed yet into the lead guitar player. The is now the outrageous lead guitar player is now who doesn't sound like any other human being on the planet but he did have those songs and to me songs of the Jackson better there the the real meat of the matter. You know I you can dress it up anyway you want it's still has to start with us on and and a good one either really good writer when he wants to be. We'll talk about a beautifully written song second album just a year later included our house and what I wanted to ask you about that was here's something where you had been romantically involved with join Mitchell then you moved on but when you now have a song first of all where Graham is now involved with her and then there's a song about that I wondered was it tough to sing about her now being with somebody else or were you already moved onto other. Obviously you'd had wash the documentary of course I watched documentary but again when you you go back and watch it again I. I'm teeing question for you. Ingraham was unquestionably the best person for joining the up and it was a good match. That was quite happy about it and you recognize that Song Song immediately was a special one. You kinda dumb guy you know well. I can see what some of these other guys have a problem with you. If you don't WanNa do it don't do but don't come here. Salt me asshole man you fucking go through a fucking kindergarten shit here. Yeah you got somebody in front of you can answer stuff that serious and we could've talked about all kinds of series shit and you're going through fucking infantile crap that anybody could have got out of a fucking book yeah okay well. Get Your addiction care idiot idiot finding lamps to hear each one hundred one. We're far shit well there. You have it folks. It took until two hundred eighty eighth episode but we finally had an interview. Go off the rails. I wish nothing but the best for the documentary David Crosby remember my name. It's very good and I know I certainly will until next time. I'm Scott Feinberg and this has been awards chatter. Thanks very much for tuning into awards chatter. 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