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See so that the spectral images are bound back, and we go down and clear pass this wall, and there's a by on the ground from leading soldiers in Afghanistan to kicking down doors as part of the ranger regiment. Eric wadis career was marked by violence and close calls. He had the kinds of tours that can wear on your humanity. If you take a moment to stop and think about it. But if you just keep running and fighting you can avoid dealing with for quite some time. The thing about leading though even in the United States army is that sometimes you have to negotiate. And when you do you may want access to a little of that empathy worked so hard to keep buried or start hearing chance down the bomb the hill, and there's more and more of them coming and it sounds like there's five hundred down their mind turbulent. He's very nurse to. Hey, where all these guys saying says a man is saying death to America. I could see the fear overwhelm. What is true bravery? What makes a hero a hero tested by the worries of what's happening at home, thousands of miles away. And the reality of what you're facing here. And now when your life is in danger every second and it's either killed or be killed from wondering and incongruity media. This is Anthony Russo. And this. Is war? Like hell to get into West Point excelling in sports to sweetness chances of acceptance and then doubling down on that effort after the towers fell in the beginning of senior year, Iraq, kicked off not long after and the military college transform during his five red-shirted years as theoretical became practical. Combat veterans started returning to update the tactical curriculum with freshly learned experience garnered from fighting insurgents, but the curriculum wasn't the only thing changed as I alumni. And then colleagues started dying the first graduate who is killed think. She's an oath to grab or Walker sort of a big deal for the academy. There's a moment of silence at lunch and know, it's four thousand cadets same time in Erie sort of impact is very impactful at the time and the bagpipes came out like ten o'clock at night, and we all turned off our lights and had candles, and they played amazing grace and such a big deal. And I was just sort of the beginning after that over the four years. We start having these visuals for the most part, you know, any big orchestrated morning for them Usov rolled with it you and your peers. Your friends or how you get used to? People dying pretty frequently that you're close to like a lot of infantryman while you played rugby at West Point. You get close to the other guys literally and figuratively. So when they start deploying in dying while you're still in school battlefield costs become much more real than in the classroom, but coming to terms with a career where your colleagues died regularly didn't so much dull his sense of laws as get resolute in his mind to think otherwise would be to miss the point of being a leader during wartime people were going to die under his command that often felt inevitable doing his best to restrict the number and the severity of casualties among his men, and to take that responsibility. Seriously was the best he'd be able to do is in one three two injury. Just come off at the point a fifteen month, deployment, the senior NCO at least in my platoon or not NCO's at a time when they were deployed, so they had a very fast in the Comey commander had been killed. The last appointment the law firefights seen a med smell of. Violence, and they they were pretty hardened folks. By the time, I got there and all of them were younger than me. So a challenge. So I you know, I p l. Allies Itchen to to get out and experienced that. And it took some time. I wasn't trying to chase folks down to get Diane won't put people wrist. But no, I really hoping for that to happen because there is some credibility that you get once you get your combat infantry badge and whatnot. He knows a riot passage. You've been tested your mouth contested mountains of Afghantistan were cold and quiet when he hit the ground with the hundred thirty second at the end of two thousand eight broadly speaking the mission was to set up a forward operating base in use it as a springboard to train the Afghan national army and police as it set trying to pacify the region the hope had been to make the AMA the face of the mission establishing it as the primary military force. We're up on this wiscon- hill. We're not sleeping that much because we're always Colin security, again, just a few hours sleep, and I remember sleeping in my little seeping bag every night praying for the sun to come up to warm warm up surf fucked up thing about this. Hills. I was a cemetery all around it an information operation standpoint. Like, a cyclops standpoint, this is probably the worst place to have this patrol base is pretty disrespectful in retrospect. And I got a call from my commander. Go clear this route for some future operations, I had to leave a an element. Top of this hill about half my guys on top this Hilla, some heavy machine-guns nine left with about twelve or fourteen guys and a couple of machine guns. We don't have any kind of technical Clements. Clear this route for ID's, we're doing all visually. There's lots of irrigation systems, which are form these natural trenches were walking down this road. I hear pops I hit the deck. Now hear my saw goner blazing. At this trench, no fucked up, I got a little bit grand. 'cause I'm like it's on man. Had this AMP guy next to me. I mean his round coming right next to my guys. So I jumped on this, dude. And so Russell to the ground and tell them to shut the gun down because he's about to cost frat on my guys. We hop into the trench line. They essentially skirt out using these trench lines out to some dead space behind a wall and had hopped on motorcycles. And just like got the hell out of there. They skyway. So it's really sort of climactic, but it was my first real real firefight. It certainly wasn't going to be his last setting aside the tensions that have been mounting between the Afghans in the US troops since the invasion. Con hail held a particular place in local lore in the early eighties. Not long after the Russian invasion Soviet troops established a presence. And as the story was told to Wadi arranged a meeting with seventy two village leaders. People have influence in their social circles from teenagers to old men. The Soviets bound the men when they arrived and executed them in the half built jail at the foot of the hill. The jail never was completed the bullet hole riddled foundation served as temporary building for gay and his men as they established the base around the cemetery flew seventy seventy-two green flags to memorialize that dead. This wasn't a place at treasured foreigners and certainly not one. Where negotiating with foreign forces was considered wise or even useful. So as new faces started showing up in the village after that first fire fight pensions, only could have heightened after all it already was a hill for spilling blood. I'm sleeping inside. This little foundation. We have five gun trucks stroke around the top of this hill. And I start talking to my, hey, you know, we're getting some feedback from the local was at the Taliban have been essentially spraying graffiti all around the village. So I go and I link up with some local police and get them to go on patrol does to sort to scrape off all this graffiti, this pro-taliban graffiti, and then we hear the first pop and a lot more pops in we see this team guys bound into this wall about two years away in say star engaging us, and this is riot dustman. The sun is just going down the mountains. Then we start here in pops from the bizarre, which is Ryan perpendicular to the hill. And there's guys on top of these roofs. On the bizarre who are engaging us. So now again hit from two sides. Now, here's some pops from the side down by the hill. When we see we start receiving some RPG round this cloud cover start coming in. It's not too thick this time, we think there's probably like thirty dudes platoon size element that was attacking us at this point. I'm not afraid because we do have a ton of ground-based fires were not necessarily bad situation. My guys in the gun position. By this wall. We're using 'em fourteen. Which are these essentially just a rifle to start popping these guys off on this roofs, and they're still this pocketed dudes who are who are getting pre it fires. And this is all happening fifteen minutes while Geico for air support without a good sense of what was going on in the field crossing all that dead space between them and the enemy stronghold was asking to get ambushed. Unfortunately, the cloud cover had continued to thick. And then there was none of Alabel. This was a problem that he would have to solve himself. Sometimes he enlisted like to joke about West Point officers about their no at all add. A tutor the way they carry themselves. It's not much of a secret and something the officers get comfortable with as long as they're good at their jobs while he was good at his job. Any wasn't a know it all which is why he went to his NCO for a plan because in the heat of battle. There's almost nothing more valuable than an NCO. Who knows his stuff? I go this composition. I had this very competent. And Mark Camacho. My hey, man, we run these dudes right now guy recommendations, and he says by style this foundation, we go along this relying get serve a parallel to this wall. We're gonna be pre exposed when we do this. And then we inflate fire just like Killys dudes behind this wall. His sort of scariest time 'cause I can see the muzzle flashes of these AK's like fifty meters away from me, and I can see him popping off point at my other guys up on top of the hill if they turn their hips around and looked at me with her AK's. They just got us all down previously. So we get there. We all get set. Can we start laying down just rifle on this wall? We see these spectral images are bound back. We go down. Clear pass this wall. There's a by on the ground puddle, and all I can hear is the sound of a cell phone ring Israel. I turned by over look at. He's got the sort of like Mona Lisa smile staring up. His eyes are open. We caught him with some price and five six are you his I damn blow out the back of his head surrogate must arou- around up in his brain. But he was he was definitely dead. We clear it try find gun there is no gun there. So that's concerning. We need some sort of evidence that we're in a firefight to agree and also Benita always this guy civilian was just in Iran spot there on time. But right now, the fog is starring close in off at this point in time. We thought his body, and we put it in a humvee drive off the top of this hill. We're trying to see if this is you know, he has this body is an individual who was registered hander stone. Call by now rigmarole saying any star stiffen up. Most of my guys are trying to use Emory heaters to warm his hands up. So we can see if we impose fingerprints. That's going on. You know, Tom. I commander says, hey, we're starting to get some signal intelligence that there's a Ellum about four, dude. Driving up from from chart to take revenge on the guys you kill tonight. Like, okay, we got four more guys come to get us. Right. When that happens like, we just get involved in this fog. That's thickest piece. You can't see anything. My thermals aren't working through there. You couldn't see five on your face. So I just have our guys go there fine position gun positions. Hold tight. We have no air support. Can't get any by. We take casualties. Can't see shit, man. Everything just closing in on you. We having kind of obstacles or barriers protecting us to prevent folks from coming up for the next three hours. Everyone's on edge, like no one sleeping, raw Gan ready for this node into some close combat the dead man wasn't in the system whether he was an unlucky recruit or an innocent bystander was something and his platoon didn't know and wouldn't. Find out what they did know was that the anger and the outrage over this man's death had swelled, and they wouldn't be fighting Caliban fighters, but rather angry locals in the heat of recounting that story just now. Eric Wadi misspoke. There weren't forty guys on the way to kill them. There were four hundred. This podcast is sponsored by ADT. This Israel protection when it comes to something as important as your family safety. You deserve real protection. From ADT. Real protection means the nation's number one smart home security provider is standing by there for you. When you need them. Real protection means having a safe smart home, a home custom fit to your lifestyle with everything from video doorbells to surveillance cameras that stream to your phone to smart locks in lights to carbon monoxide and smoke detectors. 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There was no question they had superior firepower and also the high ground, but there were no battlements not unless you count the terrorists. No obstacles between the bottom of the hill and the top except the rounds. The soldiers could unleash at thousands per second with a number of deficit of nearly twenty two one feared did start to creep in. This is what makes a leader keeping your guys cool before during and after the fight making sure the passions. Don't create tactical errors with deadly consequences around four in the morning, right before the sun showing up start hearing chance down the bomb the hill, and there's more and more of them coming and sounds like there's five hundred down their mind, his very nurse to the guy saying says a man is you're saying death to America. I could see the fear overwhelm as he told me that. So I got like four or five hundred due to the bomb. Hill. And this piece you thick fog pure starring trying keep our shit together. This point in time trying to keep people calm over the radio. I mean is the team mentality? That's going to get you through it. But them know that we're all going to work together to get through this and it just word to incarcerate Hasley. And then the situations there's nothing like no magical so Rable that we could have done thank to to make the situation easier. Just hold hold the line. And you know, definitely was not me. This is the NCO's working together as a team to reassure everyone that we're gonna make it through this getting right at toss. Grenades out the turrets try to clear any kind of salt that gets close up to us. 'cause that'd be the problem is that they could get really close to us. So right. You know, we're hearing these guys and then start seeing these buys walking slowly up the the dog legs of this trail up to top of the mountain, and you know, the Sima threatening about four or five men. You know, the, Dan look armed at all. When. Walking stick? And that's about it. And then this elder comes up to me. And with my Tiffany says there are four hundred men down there that wants kill you. The fact that they were talking at all showed that they were open to negotiation through the interpreter he tried to strike a conciliatory balance emphasizing that they had been fired upon reminding the old man that they both knew there were a number of Taliban getting shelter and aid in the village. And is settling as he was able while impressed upon the elder that yes, there were just twenty five of them up there. But they were really really well armed and that even if they were over run, certainly it wasn't something. The rest of the army would let pass the fog would hold forever. Afterlife three mentioned Gauthier Shen the village elder seem satisfied, and we eventually came to conclusion that we call local Representative from Kabul become come down and do investigation. The fuck me up the most was at the end day out. No, he's good or bad guy. But his buys up there on this hill. The only thing we found was a and then he had. Like turn-up which uses snack. It was the brothers calling. The man that was killed having a few. He was okay, his brothers come up, and they are looking at me with the most hatred. I've ever experienced in my life, and they're screaming at me and telling me that I murdered their brother who's just very intense emotional situation. Talking's guys, you know, right or wrong. Read just killed their brother. He's a father of six kids or what? So they gathered by. Yup, they carry him down to the bomb. The hill. We still hear the chance of death to America down the bottom. And then right when they get to the bomb the hill assigned finally completely breaks the mountains, and as the fog's or dissipates across the plane. We see the backs of four hundred dudes welcome back towards the village. And now it's a sign of relief. You know, we made it through a night. No, we're so vulnerable. We had no support is all in us. It could've gone south real real fast. First, and we probably have all been killed alternately. We we ended up getting some intelligence out. We we killed a guys night died now Oklahoma Spital after there there have been brought from the battlefield to the hospital, and they all died the false accusation, wait on him. And it still does the larger point dealder made or at least a one watt took with him. Was that part of the village's rage did have to do with the man being killed? Sure. But the other part of it was fueled by the fact of the occupation itself. The Americans wouldn't have been fired upon if they weren't there when there's that much anger in impotence. It is short a boil over. Also, the tour would have to finish without him. While he was ordered to relieve another commander farther up the Kunar valley before he left. He was able to negotiate an additional four hours per day worth of generator fuel for the village. It was something at home in between Simon's. He got to learn what apps were and then how to use them metaphorically, anyway, come home to the United States and like nothing. Go on and people you clap and you walk the airport. Huge disconnect. I remember technology changed so fast at that point in time like I left. No, the end of two thousand eight thousand nine people were talking about these things called smartphones or iphones, and I come back a year later in everyone has smartphones or they're ubiquitous and I felt like while I was gone, and I just been living black hole for several months. They know me when my wife, we went down and visited my family in Tennessee visits her family, and sort of like you had this war application in your brain. And you have all you know, you have all these applicators empathy application, you have this war application, you have all these apps, but when you're overseas you on your war app, and then turned off when you come home and turn the war off. I got home. But sometimes. Found sometimes that -plication is always just running the background, especially these days. And you may not know it's there, but stuff I run. Sometimes the pops up you sorta let it run. I try not to get too invested in it. So. Sometimes it's like a rotating door, and you can't stop while. He's a experiences from showing up, but sometimes you can keep the door closed and used to your best attract keep a close heading back to the Kunar province. He switched his war back on and set to his work back on con- hill, they would eventually establish then demolish a more permanent base over the next decade or so and wadis new role. He'd be an interim company commander coming in a second in command just in time for the regular commander rotate home, his tactical role would become bigger picture, but also way more personal fortress the combat outpost to which he'd been assigned was under constant harassment. And right from Winnie arrived. It was clear that there was no safe place in the compound, I got his little shack. This little shed that had like two computers on Skype in with a wife checking up with understood kid next muse prior like nineteen years old and Hughes Skyping his family. And as I'm walking back office. We get hit Iran to the command post by remember using this camera. I saw this. Four or five RPG's launch from this fine desertion as you seem to float though, the air like six meters away, eventually like get closer and closer. And closer all is crazy in slow MO my puckered up because I knew these things your head right towards us like you up, and you squeeze your by gathering like us for the impact and just hope another shrapnel get you you feel the the wall. Shaken Hugh impacts went out of common by the thing about this one was I heard that we had taken a casualty. The firefight was peering out. We weren't take as much fire. So Iran to the the hut where this kid had been there's blood all over the floor. And he's laying out gravel we got on. And he's like screaming he's holding his head crime for his mom, and I go up got this gash probably about size of pinky parallel. Tos eyebrow? Mike, man, he must have cost him that shrapnel. But he's crying. No porno. We call the caz avec. No, we'd found out that the bullet had actually gone from the back of his head burst out for head. We go back into this hooch where he'd had been sitting the I've been sitting right next. Before and there's this round lodge into the computer screen that he had been looking at in the Bullhead just like gone to the back of his head gone out of his forehead in lodged into computer screen. He shoulda died. Like, I I saw a picture of them are coming manual to go visit them after the deployment the top of the skull had been removed. He had a lot mental difficulties in constant pain. But you know. This was like eighteen or nineteen years old. And you know, he had to live with this for the rest of his life and his family had to live with this for life. It's it's a shame. You know after being there so long sir questioning sometimes was the juice worth the squeeze from investing in in this this fight. And were there for the right reasons that starts that those kind of thought start lingering up on your the regular company commander took it upon himself to visit that young man in the hospital stateside in his absence while he was acting company commander handling day-to-day tactics. Administration. Nineteen year old Brian Wolverton was killed by a mortar round not long after arriving at fortress. It was to have been his first combat tour. His family was notified by the same knock at the doors, so many military families receive in all of them dread. As acting commander personal condolences fell to Wadi of all of the duties he had a discharge during his career. This was among the hardest. I never knew here's a signed her company. So I had to do the administrative fashions also do the company morning we had to do the ceremony. Also, call his mom. I got the phone the first time, and I called her that that day like took just so much, and I tried calling her and she never picked up so thankful that she did not pick up so thankful, and then I thought I'll try again so a day or two later, I try again and. She picked up, and I felt like I was gonna puke talking to her 'cause you sort of you know, sort of sort of coal call. I guess started talking about her son. She started crying mealy is just again is just very painful like this new guy comes on board is immediately killed or wounded the culmination of his life and that little section of the Hindu Kush. It wasn't that dramatic and that sort of shame. We're wasting young lives for these mountains. May may not be worth. It had been fewer than five years since West Point all but stopped when Laura Walker was killed in action before it left school while had resigned himself to the truth that violent death was not only inevitable during war, but eventually numbing as well. When he arrived the previous winter, he marveled at how cheap and brutish life enough ghanistan was, but then it got a taste of the violence day lived with Wolverton died in August two. Thousand nine a particularly violent month in a particularly violent year. Wadi had six months left on his first tour. They would be difficult ones punctuated by deaths close calls and injuries. That would follow him through the rest of his time as an officer. There's just patrol towards the end of the point they've been driving around the route next choice. They got hit by a near ambush. It was an RPG six or seven. I think in these things are armor-piercing they create this sort of Bolton bolt that huge the armor of vehicle bounces around inside. And this kid Patrick wasn't signed to my unit, but they got hit right next to us. He had been injured in brought him into the cop. They're all Stein. In the leader of this unit was like you had it is no saving private Ryan moment where huge disorder. Comatose just like staring off into the distance. And he wasn't really helping too much. So I go pull this kid out of the vehicle I grabbed onto his legs when I grabbed onto his legs of home out his legs came off amber looking down at the legs. And I know if you look at like you ever do ribs, and like a slow cooker you can source e the bone on the edge of the meat source sticking out. I remember looking at like source seeing that when I pulled his legs out. So I fell down on ground like holy shit. Dia pulled from his hips. Try like cradle his legs, which still serving the sleeves of his pants on my shoulders to pull mouth, AVI ical, we put on the stretcher again into the the our metal building is all pasty pale the sweats coming off, but he's smiling. He's just drugged up. He's trying to be a hard ass, and I see him dying. I and the blood just porn out like a faucet. Do another turn kit on his leg to try to a second one on the staunch the blood. I guess his left leg blown off completely and his right leg had a piece of sin. You kept it attached. And dude, I on how this guy survived is like any other war. No a decade earlier beyond with you of definitely been toast. But you made it now we evacuate on the aircraft's and he lost both his legs and whatnot, but survived that's like shit. Like that just kept coming in doubt can start to undermine your resolve. Which makes everything a little bit more dangerous for everyone though, he wasn't registering it fully at the time as his tour war on Wadi was burying whatever doubts. He had and using them as fuel to keep on moving for him. It wasn't so much the danger as it was the responsibility while he was comfortable with his own performance and putting his own life on the line. But watching comrades and civilians alike. Lose their lives without a clear view of completing an objective eventually would take it's toll by the time. He was done with the verse tour. Logging knew he needed a different kind of day to day. Even if it was a little bit more dangerous. kind of deployment at often can be as soldiers last Waga had done his combat tour taking command and seen as much as he needed to see of the day to day of the war on terror, but he didn't want out. In fact, he was home for a total of five months before he redeployed he spent three of them getting into the ranger regiment for contrast, most officers do chew in the regiment rotate out and then go back directly after his first tour. Eric Waddy spent the next five years on constant rotation between the placements with the regiment and training. So a lot of the ranger stuff. I also feel too comfortable talking about because they are still heavily involved in that region. The world the ranger is they have a lot of assets the most confident enlisted soldiers that I've ever met acted with. But yet the main job that they do is to kill people. They all go out and conduct currency. They go out. They hunt folks down for the most part and the really good at it. But with that every organization has its flaws regiment, again have for all its compensate does have some some issues that are sort of socio with their line of work in the military. It was the fun time. I've ever had working with them because they're mission set. Just the kind of people is working with I pre- nice probably above average in ten division as officer. I came to ranger is probably mediocre at best with a call. Even Digital's is working with you here. Salot their their their national treasure based off the institutional knowledge, they have at the in the lie work that they do in retrospect, I probably should not have deployed with them as soon as I got back from that first year of Afghanstan because I don't think I was emotionally prepared to go into that live work so quickly, and I happen to process everything I had experienced that first year, of course, while you didn't have to resign. He could have taken some time away as many. Officers do but that wasn't the point for him, especially given the difference between his fifteen month regular army combat deployment and his five years kicking in doors with the Rangers. There is no going back. Besides he knew he owed his wife, and and some ways he owed his father to buy had twin boys after my second or third deployment. You know? I talked my wife everyday, she's crying every single day knowing regiment, we do allow training traveling. So I'm gone most of the time it definitely caused a lot of grief for my family at that point in time. My father made alive career decisions based off want to be a present father in the present husband, our family, and I wasn't doing that for five years. Definitely not for five years just seeing her cry so much and seeing the no my children look at me like who's this guy just serve. Now. It's not the father be the husband. I wanted to be except for the multiple em- fatty attempts to get him to stay on. Some capacity the transition out with simple enough, the tough part for him though, has been making it in the civilian world relating to people trying to take first world problem seriously when that were app of his is still running in the background while the other apps are slow to boot up, you know, that the people I work with are very driven. Do I think that culturally this organization relies heavily on empathy working with your subordinates with your co workers? That's harsh thing because I have had to that empathy app. I talked about earlier effing has not been running for a long time. So I've been I had to turn that on recently. It's a drain the battery pretty tired trying to be pathetic all the time. I think I pretty epithet before I joined the army, and then even before I went to combat, but now serve it's challenging to get back empathy is thing made up of layers you start by recognizing another creature than another human being then a person with wants and needs. No, one can endure a half dozen years of with. Missing extreme violence and receiving and inflicting pain at every turn if they contemplate how everyone involved is feeling it's not just impractical. But it's psychologically impossible the best. You can do is look around at your family and into the mirror and see creatures than humans than persons and resolve to work to be the kind of guy who cares about those kinds of things. Next time on this is war try to pull the gun away from him. But he added slung around his neck. I had my Tomahawk just hanging around my waist. And so I grabbed that and used that against him. Are you a combat veteran for do, you know, one with a story to tell reach out to us at stories at this is war dot com with your gates and branch of service as well as a brief description of the experience that you would like to share if you like to show you can help support us by visiting our sponsors or by leaving a five star review wherever you're listening right now. 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