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It's like driving through something from a Mad Max. Movie or through an apocalypse is something quite terrifying and extraordinary me too experience. We're going to be saying events like this as a routine part of a strategy. In the summer we have a political environment. That's not particularly favourable wall to environmental protection and care of the earth which because of our economy's based on resource extraction what role we the technologists play play in really now tending Al Smart Tick towards climate change. We're seeing the finance sector very reluctant to take take on big fossil fuel projects. They know that the writings on the wall when people actually get their hands on earth and they come together with one another and they're doing something constructive at that really can build a sense of resilience and connection to nature. That has the power to be transformative Welcome to the global goals gas the podcast explores explores how we can change the world. These episode eighty. We go to Australia to hear from Australians. The story of their catastrophic wildfires as the climate heats up a leading Australian scientist explains why this will be the shape of things to come for us. All we will share the horror the lessons and the message pige of the Australian wildfires right after this. This episode of Global Goals cast is brought to you you by mastercard. MasterCard is dedicated to building an inclusive world in which the Digital Economy works for everyone everywhere thanks also to CBS News digital and universal production music universal music we believe in diversity so it's definitely our responsibility ability to ensure that we develop opportunities for women to create music for Cat Lok Anti Harmon. The official sound of global goals cast. You're welcome back. I'm cloudier Romo Ataman and I mean he lashed cloudy at what a week. First first of all welcome back from Mexico. I am so glad that your mom's okay. I know God. There was horrendous. Twenty one days in intensive on intermediate care ear for a bad new monia spending Christmas in the hospital coming there like sleeping in the hospital bed being totally concerned that now flying to New York to pack then go to three. We're excited to see you there next week. We've got a kickoff event on Monday together at hub culture celebrating. The champions pins achieving the global goals. I'm excited to talk about progress with you. And we've got a panel together on Wednesday looking at the data around around sustainable development goals and impact on this year is a special for me Idi- because we're bringing US Hispanic delegation to that most people have never ever been that represent tech companies. That should be heard by decision makers so talking about Hispanics with other decision makers talking about the Sustainable Development Goals House with decision makers and speaking of Sustainable Development Goals eadie today were this causing global goal number thirteen and that ease repeat after me limato actions it is the secretary. General of the United Nations has put climate action at the top of the world's two Dooley's last year and these episode. We will make clear why he did that today. We're going to take you inside a climate catastrophe not something that may happen someday day because of global warming but something that happened and is still happening right now at least in part because we are warming our planet. So let's be very correct about these. These wildfires have horrified. The world are related to global warming. Let me repeat those wildfires that have horrified the world related to global warming. Twenty nineteen was the hottest driest year on record Australia. Temperatures were one point five degrees Celsius above the average for the last decade of the twentieth century. That is so spooky because as you know cloudy at one point five degrees is described by the UN is the upper limit of tolerable warming. I think there's a huge of really very important message for everybody in the world looking at these five. This is Matt England and professor of Oceanography and climate at the University of New South Wales. This is a glimpse into future. We only have to take warming levels of the planet to about three degrees Celsius which we're not far off randy. Where a third of the way to that warming so once we take? The world's temperatures is two three degrees Celsius above present day. The summer we've just had will be basically a normal summer event and so we're going to be saying events events like this as a routine part of Australian summer if we take warming to this level. Extreme hate summers will be even worse and it's unimaginable to think what they would be like in terms of temperatures and heat waves and so on so the listened for me is this is a glimpse into our future future that we can avoid by drastically mystically reducing our emissions. I'm actually glad for the fact that these files of so much international focus because I think people need to look at these sorts of events and realized this is what's in store for us more and more frequent as warming the planet. We'll hear more from professor England later but first we want to take you inside the experience of these fires inside the apocalypse. And I'm not the one who used the word apocalypse. That description came from the owner of the farm. Where one of the first big fire started? Her name's Katrina Wallace. Her family has owned both a farm and seaside. How south of Sydney for many many many years? My sister and I drive down and as we're driving from Sydney for about two hundred Columba's we drove through bushland that he's on a major highway that had been completely. It's like driving through something from a Mad Max movie or through an apocalypse it's something quite terrifying. And extraordinary to experience it was black trees with a very strange inge colored leaves which were maybe somewhere between a phone to a light red color leaves and what we know the gum trees do is when They are burnt in their time of stress. The these change color from green to this light ready and then they dropped their leaves onto onto the ground to insulate their roots. Then when we got to act community and this is a place I've been going to for. Oh my whole life. So if fifty four years my grandfather had built this old beach house down just one hundred meters off the beach around eighty years ago he was an an old fisherman and it was a very special place so my grandparents live there. My mother had grew up as a beach house and Holiday House awesome. And I've been going there since since I was born so very very special memories and as we drove towards the Rosedale. Turn Dan off of the highway we. We tend and both houses on either side of the street were completely demolished and they look like eh torn crumpled bent car guided on with just nothing underneath so the fire is so ferocious that they just burned everything and just lift the car got it on crumpled tin the smell is something very invasive others smoke in the air. You couldn't see more than maybe one hundred meters ahead of you because the smoke we then saw the fire had run right through how Gaden and our property. The greatest relief is that we saw that our house was still standing being but within a completely black chuck hold devastation. and I used the word apocalyptic because this exactly what it's like it's like something nuclear has gone through and just everything. Wow that was moving. I could see it the way that she was describing it so incredibly moving. Wow I know and I looked at her facebook pictures and the fire comes right up to the edge of the house and it's thanks to her neighbors who so help keep the fire from engulfing her house that she still has it. I mean it's it's beyond. We asked professor England to say abate more about how climate change contributed to the severity of these fires. No single weather event really can be linked to climate change in the way that many many people would like us to make that link but we can definitely talk about stacking the odds of these events higher. And there's no doubt whatsoever. Fire increased global temperatures camp purchase increased temperatures Australia and more extreme phases of these modes of variability we are increasing the odds of these events the way the climate system works is there is always this randomness. We have weather events. Come and go. We have heat waves and then cold fronts that change. Is that weather the bushfires that we have had this year are linked to remain weather and climate events. One is Bain this absolutely profound drought over the last couple of years. I've raced in Australia. There was so much fuel before the fires came along that all really took were some extreme heat wave conditions to come along during summer and that triggered these fires once you have so much fuel there. It's really just a matter of the right. Thunderstorms coming along to ignite the fires. Wild lightning strikes. We used to drought but nothing as extreme as this so not. Only of the fires destroyed the fade it for the cattle but the cattle were starving in anyway so now that we've lost so much of our pasture. We have to to ship fading for the cattle. Here's Katrina again. Talking about the impact of the drought on fire on her farm. She's also starkly really conscious of the emotional. I'm financial impact on the community and the mental health practitioner. WHO's here with US yesterday? said it's at least twelve months that that you should watch for signs of trauma post these fires and then similar to us without the economic impact of the fires on farm which we may have to sell the cattle. We may have to destroy the kettle. We may not be able to run as a business anymore so too. Did I see down at Rosedale. The south coast at this time of year you should be a thriving tourist destination. There were no tourists. There's absolutely no terrorists. There was the military police. There was a fire rescue workers and the traits people who are trying to fix things so the businesses in these locations will also have enormously difficult time to survive Cuda cat is the kind of guests that we could have on global goals cast on any number of subjects. She's an entrepreneur an artificial intelligence and before the fires she was telling me she would go on stage to give a keynote speech and she described three major issues that she saw facing the world. Hey I which is her day job. Nuclear War which recently seemed ever-closer as tensions grew between the US and Iran and climate change wjr which was suddenly engulfing her my world in the last couple of weeks is come together with these three major crises presenting themselves all at once so for me. I'm thinking through is what role to we. The technologists play in really now turning L.. SMART tick towards climate change. Because I've viscerally experienced this now eat is here. And it is destructive destructive Katrina personal experience Kashif. Her focus on how artificial intelligence should be used. Now that I've been on the ground and walk through the FIS zone which is absolutely like a war zone for me. I'm much more interested in active. Ai So whether it's drones or whether it's other climate detecting mechanisms or something that can actually be very hands on in the field able to be doing useful things in addition to the analytics and the subject matter expertise taste it already. Familiar with this episode is feeling a bit grim and I have to remind you. This is the global goals caused an. I know being realistic is one of our trademarks. But so is being optimistic. We offer solutions. We celebrate champions making friends and we want progress. You're not giving it to me. I know I was actually wondering how long it was going to take you to remind me of that had a little bit with myself but never fear. I've got you. We know their solutions. Remember our episodes with John Sturman of MIT and his interactive model of. What's the climate Jason? Yada we actually do know what to do right. We need to drastically our dependence on fossil fuels coal oil gas and we need to learn about the climate changes. That are too late to stop. So that we mitigate the damage from rising tides and extreme weather exactly and Australia. I'm afraid to say gets failing grades on both counts. The government of Australia continues to promote coal and the coal industry. He gives money to both political parties and the government was very slow to respond to the threat of the fires a threat. I might add. That was predicted ten years a years ago by a government study. I Love Katerina's reaction when you ask her what we could do about this. I think decorate beat for more gender equity. There's a part of me that knows that predominantly it's the men running the show at the moment my great interest is. How do we mobilize women who? Perhaps it's going to come at a different way of thinking about emerging tech climate change rather than a kind of a one stakeholder lens we often good at having multicolored ins so it's not that we would ignore business or the economic importance of the the mining companies or the coal companies but we also then can hold minds and our policies and strategies or the other stakeholders that are in fact as as important or more important than this one K. in influenced groups so with that community with her. That's wildlife whether that's housing whether that's other businesses and and stop building a multistakeholder approach to recovery and then also a multi stakeholder approach to climate change. Sometimes credit we talk talk about the Herculean effort that it's going to take for the world to shift to carbon neutrality. But I've been having to think with my gender equality hat on and I think we need need to rephrase it. I think it's going to take a hip Olympic effort. What what are you talking about? Okay stay with me. hippolyte was the Amazon Queen Gene. So in the film recently she was wonder woman's mother powerful not afraid to go to war. What I mean is we need to reframe the argument and bring women into the solutions You are we your dinner but I think I love it wonder woman is good and her mother other to you know eating. I told you that story right. I wonder woman wasn't allowed to become a UN ambassador Because of this story I also Gracie isn't it because because she was stereotyping women having to be sort of like naked eighty and that was not the stereotype that we wanted women. Women could be whatever and they didn't have to be Korean Donald that he was the first time that you and employees denied a UN ambassador to become true there. You go okay so overall I'm sort of like buying to your hypothesis. What does He? I hope that you enjoyed that thought. Battling the Sea of three sisters Australia things along very similar lines to you Women are some of the most impacted people by climate change. You concede that the way that the earth has been treated is very similar to the way that women men have been treated under Patriarchy and women's voices have been squashed for a very long time and what we want to do is bring those. The voice is forward because that will create more balance in the world. And if we have more balance in the world then we are not going to be in this situation that we are now now where the US has been plundered to the point that it's becoming uninhabitable. We are a global network of women and men who aw making it as normal to give back to nature as it currently is to take and we do that in a couple of different ways firstly through funding the a reforestation of the global tropics. And the other thing that we do is support and encourage women into leadership in Local area around environmental issues and specifically trees and Forests from a traces perspective. One of the things that we have made it. Our mission to do is to help human in beings to remember who and what they really are under part of that is remembering that we on nature and that without a healthy thriving earth we we actually have nothing so we depend on a healthy thriving earth and there are people who think the environment is a sort of hobby bob or an interest or a silo of interest. But it's actually his the thing that we all rely on for life so that reconnection connection in that remembering are really important to helping people find the motivation from a deep place within themselves to make change an advocate for change and restoring nature to thriving. Uh We have made a point of speaking Australians for this episode because part of their message to the world about climate ease to put it bluntly do do not do what Australia has done and for that again Professor Matthew England care. I'm deeply embarrassed to be an Australian citizen and right now I'm of course not responsible for the government that's been elected not responsible for the denial of some politicians about the threats posed by climate change. But I can't. I can't believe that I'm living on a continent where we're seeing some of the worst impacts of climate change play out at the same time we have many people. I'll try to dismiss that link we've got people tried to argue that. The science of climate changes in some way shaky and so I can't believe we're here in the twenty only twenty some fifty years since the first alarm bells were wrong about ongoing greenhouse gas emissions. It's a bizarre world to me to be on. I look across to do all the nations that are actually taking this problem seriously and I wish we were there so we are left with a vital question. Australia has a special role. The world's world's largest exporter of coal and a crucial country in the Glasgow Climate Summit later this year are the wildfires starting to shift attitudes kids in Australia. We do notice. The rhetoric is starting to change but only in the last say week or two weeks when the fires of Inter critical particularly after the disasters. New Year's save that the government is saying now and even the prime minister. Scott Morrison is saying that he believes that climate change is one of many factors that have caused the fires and this climate emergency in this country. The miners the coal produces the big industry bodies still so powerful. It's really them who I think. Have Great Sway and influence over the government. But what's happened. This time beyond anything I've ever experienced is the incredible public backlash to the Prime Minister himself to the emergency minister to the government and as we have heard before most recently in our last episode filled with Financial Times Jillian Tet the finance sector east starting to shift its Focus Matthew England. We're seeing them very reluctant to take on big fossil fuel projects. They know that the writings on the wall. We're seeing coal mines. That are being abandoned where saying banks moving away from financing that sector and once the money dries up to those sectors once they lose their subsidies and lose the incredible handouts that being given even over the years from government and from the finance sector. We're going to see a real change. In the way we produce energy in those sectors that have been held back so far the renewable sector in particular Agila will surge. You sound like an optimistic heart. Is that right. Oh absolutely I can't wake up in the morning without a view that something's going to go ride because plus it's fun to be a scientist. And where do you see the glimmers of hope that change will come the numbers of people who get the science today compared to where we were in the ninety s even or even the early two thousands. It's really heartening to me to see the hate. Mail drying up to say the support. What the science gathering momentum I mean I've got to say? The recent school student marches and demonstrations have been absolutely life. This this is changed the conversation. I just think I've got so much admiration for the leaders of I mean Greta Thornburgh asking how dare you. How dare you you do this to us was absolutely breathtaking for me as a scientist for me? That's reason to be optimistic. You're seeing the next x-generation source switched onto this topic. We've heard about government and business but three sisters sees the importance of more holistic hands on approach for everyone reconnecting with nature at the four. I've thought about this a lot as you can probably imagine since the fire started here in September in Queens concerned about what is the response of trees in this situation. What would be regenerative? What would be something that is based on Creating a future for our children our grandchildren and their grandchildren and so on the isn't just a knee jerk reaction that's actually going to do things like like build resilience educate about the importance of trees encourage people to take that regenerative action together. Because that's really really important that we actually she do things together. Giving money is fine and it's great and it's really needed but I think when people actually get their hands in the earth and they come together with one another and they're doing something constructive that that really can build a sense of resilience and connection to nature. Should that has the power to be transformative and later we will hear some actions from Pollyanna and three sisters that you can take right right now. We'll eat. This has been incredible first of all. What an incredible set of interviews ride Katrina incredibly way of describing what Australians might be feeling and seeing we've been talking about how much climate change is shifting? How much you know like we see young people getting involved how we see Greta how we see companies being more green and more conscious and so on but at at the end of the day political wheel is the question on? We need to make sure that we understand that. None of the big changes that we need will come. But from government these are decision makers that have to make that shape that have to make that commitment the have to fill out their promises and so how are we going to make that happen. How many do you need? How many Australian fires wildfires? So you need to make sure that the decision makers of the world are going to take action. Because that's really the only only thing that is gonNA make the shift. I agree and I think if you can break the link between conservatism and climate. I think we could see it happen. So there's increasing the evidence that being conservative doesn't have to mean opposing climate action Austria's new conservative Green coalition. I just heard the conservative. Prime Minister say that controlling borders and taking action on climate. Are the two top priorities. There's also a push in the United States to get Republicans to tackle tackle climate change. I'm really interested in whether this will help. Give the Australian government away to move. It's time for the decade of action as a secretary general have said but it all lies on the political will at the end of the day the budgets needed to take climate solutions are trillion dollars. And there's no company during all that can do it. Of course. Everything helps but we need to get to that point in which all the parts are pushing providing political pressure so there is an international action. Change I do think as we head into the other part that I've been seeing coming through the you and I have talked about as well. Is this whole idea. Around financing of fossil fuel industry and the risk that that that brings really interesting to watch the fight in the United Kingdom around Barclays. There's eleven pension and investment funds that are now filing a resolution calling for Barclays to set clear targets to phase out services to energy companies that fail to align with the Paris climate goals now these funds funds manage more than a hundred and thirty billion pounds worth of assets so the vote is in May the jury is out but they alongside Larry finks letter better. I think we're seeing more of a push from the private sector to. Yeah I love that. I mean like it's so fantastic that we're having these episode coming right after stor with such a strong voices from Australia. But also coming right after Larry spinks letter I mean he is he might be criticized that it's only whatever percentage of his funding funding that he's putting towards sustainability but having such a strong bold messaging saying I will only invest in companies. And he's a put sustainability and climate change forefront. And these are the issues that are gonna be durable and the long term for long standing investment. It's massive off but we should not leave those things only to either governments or institutions. I love this story of Arkley as well but individual actions you you know like people have to understand how important it is that you when you're looking at you know politicians you not only voting for what they say. Domestically you have to care about politicians are saying about climate change and I think we were talking about. Individual Action stopped too far of a leap to take to talk about one of our previous obvious champions. We've had news from the South Pole from our friend Robert Swan. What have you heard One of our first episodes ever on the global goals was was following Robert Swan and Barney Swan sixty miles sixty days one hundred. What was that they were doing? Six six hundred miles succeeded exceeded as through. The crop says where our firm Rower Swan actually fail last time to complete his journey because the changes of climate change have mating meeting the ice on the Antarctic. He has done before so he came back to the Antarctic. Get to finish that journey that three hundred miles that he couldn't do last time he he fill off. I'm broke his hip in the last forty miles Barney. He saw and went down to finish his forty miles. Robertson said that he is willing to go back to England to train because he wants to finish his journey and I quote him. Because I need to send a message that if I am making this effort being sixty four years old on finishing this everybody come make an effort for the planet. I think the other thing that is useful to talk about is the whole issue around communication and the climate change communication challenge. How do you motivate action with a message that you're increasing the probability of something even if that increases dangerous? It's really hard to get your head around that risk especially when we still see people including the media in Australia and elsewhere sowing doubt and this challenge we face in this episode. There's still a lot of evidence that talking about Apocalypse demoralizes always people and deters action. So how do we in the media or a scientist handle that. That's absolutely right. Eighty there's climate change communication occasion problem so we would love to hear from our audience and get suggestions from you so that we can talk about it next episodes what would trigger your action Shen and talking about actions. Easy beyond saying good luck on willed onto road on Barney Swan for finishing that journey on sending sending a message strong message. It is time for our Fox actions. It is first up are facts to impress your mother-in-law around the dinner table fact number one not that we have not said it enough but here he goes change. Israel extreme events are becoming having more common and more severe as we see it in Australia back number two just in from the World Economic Forum for the first time that they've done their survey of risk risks to come there. Tenure outlook the top five global risks that they see in terms of likelihood are all environmental fact. Number three Eh. For All the talk. Last year the level of carbon emissions steel went up and eat needs to be going down and now for our actions I from our friend rob glued. So he's the founder of lion share followed by Pollyanna Darling from the tree sisters. Hi quote here in Eighty Rub. ULITSA he from the lion share the line. Share is a new fund backed by the United Nations. It's essentially a new system. System whereby brands can contribute to a fund every time they use an animal in their advertising. I live in Australia and I've just seen firsthand the devastation that's unfolding before our eyes. Look this three simple actions. I guess the we need to take the first is. Obviously there is a primary fundamental needs to provide vied adequate is as he's fighting for their lives and their properties. There are a lot of volunteer bush fire fighters and Faris. That really need more support report. The second is to develop long term solutions in new methods and technologies for resilience. And the third I guess. We'd Bay to support initiatives like the line share. Hopefully there'll be many more like it but all around systemic change if we can find opportunities for real systemic change in fighting climate change but not just climate change against the way the private sector the United Nations in the conservation insulation. Wilkin come together and really changed the way we operate. I guess the LAS point would be the imaginative be compassionate and see what other systemic distinct change. We think we can put in places. People were better in harmony with two more from Pollyanna. And it won't surprise you that she wants you to plant a tree preferably preferably a native tree appropriate for where you are. That's going to support the wildlife way you all and the other is to grow your own forest three sisters. We're planting again Madagascar Nepal Cameroon India Brazil Kanye West Papua and Mozambique and supporting some of the world's those poor people in helping restore by diversity and watersheds and so much more and you can grow your own forest by going to our website traces dot org and everything you need to do is there. We've got a beautiful way for you to keep track of how many trees you'll planting three your funding and it's a really wonderful way to give back to the planet that gives us absolutely everything. Thanks to rob and planet for those actions. Easy the easy before we go. 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