You're listening to the briefing first broadcast on the twenty sixth of September Two Thousand Nineteen on monocle twenty four the briefing is brought to you in partnership with Rolex. Hello and welcome to the briefing coming to you live from studio one here at Missouri in London. I'm Emma Nelson and a very warm welcome. Today's program coming up France's President Jack Sherack dies at the age of eighty six Andrew Mueller will look demand described as a political chameleon with the line and Financial Pecadillos even his early adulthood displayed indications of what might be generously described as an adaptable approach to politics not for nothing would he likes to be known as Chameleon Bonaparte and luxury wet the weathervane then Benjamin Netanyahu tries to form a government will ask if he can claw flo victory from last week's humiliating. Israeli elections also ahead is Donald trump toast will examine how moves to impeach a US president could play out in his favor as trump's behavior after the Miller report particularly became more and more extreme more and more overtly and contempt of the most the basic norms but premises of constitutional government and is a Polish. MVP demands vegan food be served in parliament canteens. Well ask our media colleagues colleagues will take to a change in a menu all that right here on the briefing with me Emma Nelson last last week. The future didn't look bright Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu the election he call to resolve the country's political amps embedded him into an even deeper crisis this with his Likud party falling into the minority but now he's been thrown a political lifeline with the Israeli president tasking him with forming a coalition government joining me the studios you'll see Michael Burke professor of international relations at Regent's university and your sister in following the Israeli election very closely for us here at monocle twenty four welcome back to the studio. Yeah good to see you right. Let's just recap where we were last week. At the time when the elections were held it did not look good for Benjamin Netanyahu they did it. No and I don't think it looks good to me. No of course predicting in forecasting is early politics is always very dangerous because you'll be able to play Ayumi that in a week and I'm full of myself but at the same time the basic tenants of what happened in this election instill there and that we're talking about the blocks and the fact that the president asked him Netanyahu to form a government doesn't mean that he can inform and government it means that by low unique to us the presidency starring Vin River in trying to be creative and said go to unity government blue and white led by Bennie guns and Netanyahu and if Netanyahu is indicted because he has his hearing doing next week to take some time to decide then it was suspended himself by low is supposed to suspend himself for or always suspended suspended for Honda days but no would be indefinite suspension. It will still be prime minister by suspended. I know Israeli politics comes all sorts of great idea so there will be to prime minister wants to spend in one. I don't think it's the justice brilliant idea but they tried to get out of the impasse by saying there would be suspended spended. One DELOOF is legal issues and there will be real one benny guns that will deal with the country's issues. He's going to go for that. I think those those who wouldn't like to see sailed elections in a meadow of six seven months which there is a good argument even with the public that will get to sell public holiday in one year probably would be against it cost a lot of money and there are no guarantees that it would look any better now if I will oh benny guns I will say I'm not interested because they promised my my voters that I'm not sitting with someone that is indicted for such serious corruption allegations since this is not democracy and to prime minister that one is dealing with corruption allegation in court and one running the country. It not only sounds ridiculous. It makes a mockery of Israeli democracy and its imaging the world even further it also is not going to appeal to much to Benyamin Netanyahu who you set these elections going last week with the intention of of consolidating his position many now suggests that his position that that his time has now gone simply because he's tried twice to form a government he is now as you say having to do with corruption allegations but it is going to be extremely difficult to for him to accept that maybe the time is up from two by Netanyahu shows the stock doc market. I want going by one. I think this is a dwindling commodity and it's a matter of time. The indictment is very serious. It's very difficult to see attorney. General even after hearing common save or the police got it got it all all the battery of lawyers that look at the evidence on flee serious Chris Cases. We got it all so most likely. It's going to be indicted. They'll going to be a court case and it's Netanyahu himself in a similar case they a doormat was prime minister. You can't spend your time in court in such a such a such a complex county so it's the central supply to Netanyahu. I think the real trick here if there will be any courageous person for him on the Likud Party. I'm not a great fan of what's called a unity party because usually there is a statement there. It's stability no coffee hour if they want to get out of the stalemate with a unity government someone should at last be brave enough courageous enough in the party or group of them and said to Netanya timing up and if you want if you care about the country which at this stage it doesn't then you need to go and then if another leader of the Likud party there is a possibility for unity from Likud is going to say that AH I don't trust many of them to have because they they the opportunity to set it by Peter People like wild cats get on saw. Maybe allow then you know some people even though if you went into politics and especially at this level you want to become a prime minister. You don't go just to be second income on some of them want to be getting someone to be prime minister. Lisa Alcott's wants to be would like disposition but they believe it's you know the Mexican politics deface want to challenge. The leader is not the one that's going to be fine. You think about Michael Finding John Major time in so many other boys Johnson in Feldstein around so what what they'll thank to do not to be the first to do that but top the someone else will do it the death each of them. Tell us is this fails because I mean you've already laid out the pitfalls of having adding to prime minister's running concurrently while one is admittedly fighting a court case and this has been what our second election. There's no appetite for third but is there a likelihood that Israelis will be having another national holiday before the end of this year in order to go vote again. Maybe the beginning of next year. It's a a possibility as good as any at the same time. I think the indictments will make a difference the minute Tony General will come out and say there is indictment. Netanyahu's is going to spend because it's not a matter of months contend if he's convicted. It's a metal of appeals because their appeals can turn the country like league days. They might be Tonya my ridge the conclusion if you we can get to an arrangement with the general persecution that's. I I admit to Summerfield but I'm not going to jail and then I'll resign if fights for his for his for his liberty basically not being not being cold and being out out of jail this is the mental everything is for Netanyahu is calm noise for the rest of the country. There are a lot of issues that Netanyahu says talk there is the Palestinian issue and the line there is a economy and going gap between rich and poor and Tan spilt admits improvement movement infrastructure for Donyo in the Netanyahu family in Balfour Street in Jerusalem. It's all about themselves. Yes he macaroni. Thank you very much indeed for joining us here on Monocle monocle twenty four. You're listening to the briefing fronts owns his former president. Jacque Chirac has died age eighty six a man who enjoyed one of Europe's longest political careers he arguably left his country no better state than when he found and he was a political chameleon with more than a few financial peccadilloes but as a charming Debonair Frenchman and committed European he became one of the nation's best best loved political figures. Androulla looks back now on his life also need the lakes. He's a pig is a meme Llanelli. Rarely has there been a less uplifting campaign slogan vote for the Crook not the fascist the posters that appeared all over France in two thousand and two were not the work of the candidates they were endorsing though plenty of people had argued over the years that Jacques Chirac was shameless. Even by the standards of French politicians this would've necessitated some hotspur even for him rather the placards reflected the unappetising choice presented to French voters in two thousand two's presidential essential run-off between Sherack then seeking a second term in the palace and Jo Marie Lapenne the ghastly old crank then leading the far far far far right National Front the result neatly summarized the contradictions of a man who dominated French politics for decades without really ever quite effecting any of it. Chirac won eighty two percent of the vote yet was one of the least popular presidents in French history. Jacques Chirac was born in Paris on November Twenty Ninth Nineteen Nineteen thirty two even his early adulthood displayed indications of what might be generously described as an adaptable approach to politics not for nothing would late to be known as Chameleon Bonaparte and lingerie wet the weathervane he walls for a period a member of the French Communist Party he also while completing reaching his compulsory military service volunteered to fight in France's brutal water thwart the independence aspirations Algeria Chirac's career in politics politics began when as a junior civil servants he caught the eye of then Prime Minister George Pompidou who admired the young share determination and disregard for obstacles. Kohl's Chirac's more boasts worth nickname lead bulldozer dates from this period yes yes of course he would come in and kick table over meet. People on both sides forced the hand of destiny. My mother told me that President Pompidou said that he was a bulldozer so that description description probably reflects his personality Pompidou. I made sure Akis Chief of staff then in nineteen sixty seven encouraged him to stand for a national assembly seat incorrect Coetzee having won his place in parliament Chirac spent the next three decades assembling a formidable political CV Minister of Agriculture Minister Minister of the interior a brief stint as prime minister eighteen years as mayor of Paris interrupted by another brief stint as prime minister he was such a well known own and well regarded national figure that he owned semi affectionate cameo in the nineteen seventy-six Asterix volume obelisks and Co thinly veiled as a manipulative ability Roman misery cold-case preposterous sherack made his first bid for the big desk in one thousand nine hundred one but fell short of the final run off he made eighty one step further in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight but was defeated by Francois Mitterrand in nineteen ninety-five Mitterrand felled by failing health sherack defeated Lionel Jospin Fund and was president at last Johnson in common with many politicians who have schemed maneuvered for decades to get the top job. Shrek seemed once. He'd gotten it on short what to do with it. He was unable to embody either an era or an idea in the manner of his predecessors ss Mitterrand Pompidou never mind to goal he seemed both for and against most things lower taxes high taxes privatization nationalization except the ones such as nuclear weapons testing about which he couldn't make up his mind he sabotaged his first term as president with a hubristic calling of an early election shen which put his socialist rivals in government straight after September the Eleventh I spoke obviously the American president but also to our key allies though oh I think it would be right in saying the Jackie right was always more hesitant about military action. Even in respect to Afghanistan was basically a a coalition of support their second term included what was probably the highlight of his presidency. He's emergence as the most senior figure head of opposition to the United States invasion Asian of Iraq in two thousand and three but this was also clouded by gathering scandal of allegations that as mayor of Paris he'd feathered the nests of his party he and his family by plucking the right pair in two thousand nine out of office and unprotected by Presidential Immunity Sherack was ordered to stand trial on charges charges of diverting public funds among other malfeasance as in two thousand eleven he was convicted and given a suspended prison sentence. Jack Sherack Kamei have fancied himself as Francis Ronald Reagan. He was near Francis Richard Nixon a disappointment than a disgrace. He's own summary of his his career. Best imagined accompanied by a gallic shrug demonstrates the lack of the moral core around which more substantial leaders of formed when I was elected he once said I was thirty two and I joined the government right away then I just stayed forever. Governments changed. I stayed along with the furniture. They they want me to go back to go back to grand then. Let Them Go. Do No dad no the problem. Is this for monocle twenty four. I'm Andrew Mullah. Thank you Andrew in a moment we will discuss Jack. Shit connects legacy with our panelists but I the time at Toll Fifteen fifty minutes past mid day here in London a quick summary of the day's other news headlines with Danube Age Wjr thank you Emma members of the US Congress have been examining a complaint from a whistle blower that has led to calls for Donald Trump's impeachment the complaint refers to a controversial phone call between president trump and the Ukrainian President Wlodimierz Alinsky. One Democrat said the complaint was disturbing. Saudi Arabia says all options are on the table including a military response following attacks on its oil facilities. Riyadh says Iran was behind the attacks a claim which has been backed up by the US the UK France and Germany Germany in recent days leaders in Tehran have denied any involvement in today's monocle minute takes a closer look at this weekend's Austrian election it follows the collapse of the country's coalition government formed by the center right and far right parties earlier. This year for more on this story has monocle dot com slash minute and tune into tomorrow's edition of the globalist for a longer discussion on Austria live from London at seven am. Those are the day's headlines now back to you. Emma thanks Daniel. You're listening to the briefing on monocle twenty four on news panel follows next coming soon Monaco Rolex. Bring you the pioneers. The pioneers is a brand new series that tells the stories of people improving the planet. You'll hit how Rolex supports these innovators with whom they share a passion to safeguard in the F for Future Generations Nations gain precious insight into the fresh thinking that is disrupting received wisdom for the BETCHA and learn how Phyllis action continues to be the crucial driver of change the the news coming soon to be twenty four. It's time to look at some of the day's news in a little greater depth. I'm delighted to say that joining me in the studio Alex Tinsel man he's a historian or and screenwriter and then some mckinney the UK correspondent with Year News. Welcome both here Let's pick up on the news that France's former president. Jack Shiite has died. He was eighty six president. Chirac enjoyed a very long continuous political career in Europe twice president twice Prime Minister Eighteen years is Ma- of Paris an arguably Alex say don't make them like they used to they he was he was a man who never wants to leave and managed to stick around. He certainly did until the end until the sort of corruption allegations ends and trial and indie conviction which of course people are talking about today but I mean he's also a man who went through numerous political changes on with the century he started out as a member of the Communist Party ended up on the political right started as a goal list and then ended up sort of supporting federal Europe where I was he said not so much the United States of Europe as a united Europe states that important difference that he quoted and say and of course he's also being remembered today for so two significant achievements in particularly opposing the Iraq war leading really the opposition to that and also for being the first French politician to really recognize his country's role in Holocaust so we have a figure of a man here who enacted enormous chain made France his image internationally stronger and stronger with his image of the OPPO oppositions the Iraq doc war in helping Frisco go into the single currency Vincent he was a total committed political chameleon at home as Alex's alluded to just yeah I mean I came to my mind when I heard this news was that his opposition to the Iraq war how incense George Bush seems like a very simple take time you know the word French fries being banned from the White House Freedom fries because of how strong Chirac was great photos of shock Chirac pulling people at Tony Blair and and I and the other kind of countries that went into the rock were into corridors at big international meetings and trying to talk them out of this but yeah if you look at his record at home needed a lot you know the things like reducing the presidential term down to five years. He made huge reforms when it came to things like road safety when you really dig into his record. It really is something that kind of spans all over the place I mean I didn't do it feels like a very twentieth century political career. I don't know if you could have this kind of career swinging between the restarting outing nuclear testing in one thousand nine hundred five to the shock of the world to go into an environmentalist in two thousand and two you know his comments on race very. I didn't think you'd be able to survive these kind of comments now now where he said in the early nineties. Africa was ready for democracy. I think is what about the riots northbound on the kind of to the end of his term and how badly handled handled those that it is a remarkable political life to to read about is the kind of career. I don't think you have in this world now. Just picking up on this idea of belonging to an earlier era era the thing that domestically his remembered for apart from not really changing fronts that much. Didn't you know living standards didn't improve unemployment employment didn't improve but he was subject to quite a lot of corruption. He had a conviction for it. This was part of a arguably part of a French French political culture. I mean he took over for Mito so this is a time when corruption and generally oiling the wheels was just the done thing in front and I'm sure some French who would take some issue with that but he there is a certain way which does seem like a sort of you know an ultimate Frenchman Looking back I mean Nas Knauss only the source of all of that you need a little bit on the side the flirting with the ladies and of course his his look even I mean he's sort of we're discussing earlier. How will if you could central bursting and ask for a French President they'd probably have sent you. She'll especially when he was younger. He was really you know sort of very glamorous. I mean so he's sort of you know how to certain and Golic stew him. I suppose the perhaps did allow him to get away with more than less charming man might have done and he had a lot of charm didn't Hammond looking at the photographs of the last into the emerging today Vincent. There's this astonishing one of him sort of kissing the hand of Angela Merkel now that's something the glamour or have not worried down by the world yet googly hide at him and look at Obama. Just that love the mountaintop picture. I mean there's some good detail in the bokhary. you know he was such a man of the people something that is pointing this out you know Sarkozy and Francis Salaam the people that followed him. You know they only did one term. They didn't have the army had he loved going out into the public. He is to shake so many hands says they used to have to put his hands in a is buckets at the end of each day where plasters to avoid blisters. This is someone that really liked to press the flesh. The kind of stunts and twitter's been filled with the old political advertisements had their you know they are so eighties and nineties. It is quite remarkable. You know him just lying on a couch saying. May We say Sherack it's all th- all of this kind of stuff very friends whether this is going to prompt some sort of nostalgia for a slightly for slightly different time in a moment we'll move onto the autobahn pit that we've got at the moment in British politics but the idea that you can be a great you can be Tshauma but but with a very very strong international image as well I mean he was a great European. I mean you mentioned the idea of not United States of Europe Tonight'd Europe of states this. This was someone who perhaps belong to no one really questioned the further integration of Europe. Lewis questioned it but I do think yes he'd and of course he was coming from a goal is background. I mean it was a it was a move that he made perhaps along with the Times certainly along with one current of the times and then he really sort of ended up up spearheading. That's which is sort of fascinating again. I think has been since earlier. I mean the the idea that perhaps you could do that now. I think he's much more remote surely that to change horses in that way it would be much more dubious these days. I think give it ten minutes in May and it shows you know maybe a foresight looking in the time that he was president collapse of the Soviet Union the Cold War looking at how the world was going to rearrange itself. He seems to have had an early view that really really you know not having a to integrated Europe but a strong Europe in world was anyone superpower left but those on the rise seems like a pretty good bit of foresight for him. You're taking Francais into the single currency and things like that they they did benefit from but yeah the kind of character. I don't think we'd see again. I wonder whether we're getting a little bit died. In the way that Angela Merkel did I ever distant era of politics. Sharak has died at the age of eighty six. Let's turn now to an altogether different here and now of modern British politics Abed pit a place of fear and loathing about nasty it. Has It ever been the scene in the British parliament yesterday. Were brutal this evening. The Prime Minister's continually use pejorative language to describe an act of parliament passed by this House Speaker that was should not resort to using offensive dangerous or inflammatory for legislation that we do not like are we hear Mr Speaker onto the shale about brought to pass it in these place fries and abuse never heard such on bugging get all my lights the Labor MP Polo shirt taking on Boris Johnson in the House and having her accusations shot down by one word Humbug Humbug as MP's took where they left off the expectation of perhaps an apology from the government for acting unlawfully in suspending parliament last month instead those defiance and and rage Vincent you following this. It was something else yesterday. Wasn't it yeah I mean I've covered parliament for nine years and I haven't really had what an evening like that in the comments of listened two hundred dollars base and they went home last night feeling pretty chilled and signed about the state of things and the speakers come out John Birch they saying his twenty two years in Palm. He hasn't seen a session like that. The language was deplorable. The emotions were running incredibly high and to explain to listeners in that clip the the crest that was being talked about was that of Joe Cox Labor. MP FOR BATTLING SPAN. She was murdered the week before the Referendum in twenty-six sixteen by far right terrorist. I yelled whilst he was shooting her. Britain I independence for Britain. It was an absolute travesty travesty that that happened many people at the time thought that that would possibly mean that you know the referendum vote would go to stay but I was on the ground around the country that whole time and it really didn't shift things in the way that we expected and the way that her name is being in an invokes now is because she had a simple message in her opening speech in parliament element is that we have more in common and she worked hard work across the aisle. She made friends with many conservative. MP's and the response of the prime ministerial. I don't think I it wasn't even you know forget whether it was a prime minister response wasn't even basic human response and the woman who was a friend of Jaycox Tracy brave replacers. MP Oft that beg the Prime Minister after that exchange that we just heard there to please think about it because other MP's had left the chamber very upset some of them close to tears and he said you can honor Joe Cox delivering Brexit's. It was incredible stuff. I Mean Alex. You've studied politics parliament and and this kind of world for a long long time where is it. Do you think that the wheels actually came off in terms of basic decency to to fellow human beings I mean this is a combative arena. That's not big look. It's not been in any down but a different turns into been taken. Yes then I think would be making a mistake. If we thought this was an accident I think this this is quite deliberate. Actually by Boris Johnson because what serves him is to stoke the anger in the country and stop people open to get this idea into people's heads that it's about about parliament versus the people I don't think there's any chance in the world him polarizing backing down. I think it will escalate and as a result Vincent having been invalid in a looking at the comments for the last nine years where in what way do you think this is going to escalate. I'll give you some ice stand on the Green in two thousand ten twenty eleven eleven. I would bring a MP's. We walk over. We do interviews they wouldn't be stopped. They wouldn't be harassed people might recognize an MP and asked him some Nice questions and replace Nice them. They're MP's that can't walk over the green now without police escorting them their MBA that have had to have safety measures built into their homes panic alarms. They are getting regular death threats. They are not playing lightly with the fact that many of them are receiving threats you just go and social media to see what's going to head in public to them but some of them have been really threatened and one of them there was a plot earlier in the year that she was going to be killed by far right terrorists and it was stopped at the last minute and so the changes that MP's really do feel under threat and most most Boris Johnson is playing with. They're saying trying to build because he attacked the judiciary yesterday for the decision but said this was politicized. He is trying to build this. PEOPLE VERSUS SAYS ESTABLISHMENT election up but I think it is very dangerous and if something does happen which would be tragic again. I think this will be firmly. Emily played back at him and pointing. He's escapes a lot but I think this last night was a real watershed moment. In its writes his girlfriend his former wife his four five or six children however many there are all have police protection he can feel safe with as little impedes very safe at the moment. Let's talk a little bit more Johnson and and the way that the rhetoric of politics is developed in the last few weeks Boris Johnson has been described as a man who has an interesting relationship with the truth and he's arguably living in a perfect perfect time for him given the rise of fake news a phrase sold heavily by Donald Trump. How does it made life for today's reporters. Let's get a taste of their other hostile perch taken by President Donald Trump during a press conference with Boris Johnson earlier this week in New York when a journalist asked British prime minister if he's going to resign nasty question for the American report would take one off along pretty well that was John Boris Johnson defending the art of journalism at no great surprise Alex because is was a journalist yes and certainly want he wasn't wasn't too scared to use incendiary language than ever or to make things up famously a Lotta them about the EU and Bendy Bananas also things I mean about about the the consequences consequences of what happens when you put an inflammatory journalists in the position of being a prime minister knowing quite few journalists myself. I'm not sure it's a career path that many of them should really undertake but this is a very different job and I actually agree with what Wentz that earlier that we're in a very dangerous time. and I do think that playing with this stuff maybe electoral positioning maybe policy. I expect the consequences of some of this can be severe and in that clip we heard him sort of step back from trump a bit but then if you can't step back from trump where all you I mean you know this is. It's Gone Ah the shift that we've seen just in the last few years really with trump and now with Johnson. Is You know to a very different manner of politics. You know it's it's very much on the surface. Explain a little bit more what you mean by the consequences of this well the fact is that if you you know what you're seeing is them you actually. I mean although I think you you can be too simplistic about comparisons between trump and Johnson. They're actually quite different. In lots of ways and you know we do need to complex about that but what both of them are doing. Is You know really smashing. There were three big institutions and three things where you know in in the US across the constitution is written annals is not but there is a great deal of understanding really a lot of it operates on trust and on the expectation that people behave decently and you break that down you keep breaking that down. Things changed quite radically. We've had Tori. MP's yesterday for instance calling for things like the abolition volition of the Supreme Court now politically appointed judges. I mean these changes have big consequences and I think often. It's you know sort of very quick reaction into something that has upset them. That in fact could really spark a very different outcome than they think just adds up. I mean the idea that you you attack a call for being plus call to scrap it and then call for for a new Supreme Court like in America whether appointed by politicians last night just blew me away the F- The false logic in that but I think just on this point about language and journalism. Ah Let's say two things the first is about a former journalist. Boris Johnson was agenda for many years. He lost his first journalism as a writer on the Times because he lied lied he made up a quote from his own godfather about a story in the Tower of London ran into Times newspaper now one golden rule with journalism and it's don't make stuff up and he was fired from that and he went to the Telegraph and he wrote you know he's continued to work between times as journalists wrote very inflammatory column which has refused to apologize for in which she compared Muslim woman to Bank Robinson letterboxes and that was just this year and I want to say doesn't working journalists right now and it shows how dangerous this is because her name is Adam and Chelsea Z. She's BBC presents on BBC breakfast earlier. In the air. Donald Trump said the words go back home that is we all know a rare west government as is a racist trope in that employment rules if a member of working someone from the US government said that to a colleague they would be fired on that. It is clearly racist. Stripe not given Jesse was presenting BBC breakfast. Her colleague asked her what she thought about that language. She's a British Asian woman and she said Yes. It's racist. I've heard that turn my whole life. It is racist the BBC has reprimanded her for breaking guidelines on bias that is not bias that is standing outside in the rain and saying it's raining. So how as journalists do you try and navigate this this boldness that seems to have some sort of like like being been embraced by politicians when it comes to lying when it comes to using language that has been widely accepted as unacceptable you you. It's it's so hard because especially in this country is brexit. You know I think with political interviews is to you know I often think about when I covered the coalition here between ten and twenty fifty and what we think Kale's then if myself as journalist with conducting this interview now and I didn't what happened in the space between I constantly just think what would 2014 me think of what is being said now because language is being used so carelessly like saboteurs says and betrayal and trying to vote this patriotism. I think you just have to keep calling it out and one of the only ways I mean there was an incident this morning where James Cleverly who is the leader of the the Katori policy said Oh the prime minister didn't say a trail and then he was quoted back by shows journalist saying no he said this is when you're portraying people and he said he didn't say trail. I mean that is just ahead that stopped. Puerto is doing think goodness me me Where are we going with this Alex. We've we will we are losing the the the the common speaker John Berko next month. Many people Roger Heartbroken at the fact that one of the leading players is leaving the the screens but the those who wished to replace him all say that they want to bring parliament together author to have a more conciliatory approach to have more respectful and polite place where is the possibility of such a violent and brutal space actually finding itself being calm down. WH where are the solution to. I think it's super hard to do that. Actually if you look historically at other examples restoring civility is not that easy. We asked anybody who know that WHO has had a drunken party and then tried to calm it down. I'm afraid once these things are out of the box. It's very hard to put back again and I think it will potentially she come. When the voters decide they want to vote for more civilized type of politician which at the moment they show very little sign of doing so I it's a question of you know this. This will respond and it will s and that's exactly what I think. This will escalate and escalate. I don't think there's an easy way down from this. I do think inviting Burke I really is in many ways given a gift to the current parliament by letting them appoint a speaker now before new parliament comes in May of course be much more extreme in in any way that requires unpredictable nickel so my hope would be that you could get someone in who was recently a decent influence at this point and then see how that goes from uh on that point. I think you know one of the leading contenders is Harriet Harman. She's a future source. She was passed effectively Deputy Prime Minister Gordon Brown. She is the mother of the house which means the longest serving female. MP and she is going for it and she is someone who in recent years. I've even thought could actually run for Labor. Leadership began. I mean she's still that respected and well liked to figure she's still on top of the game but the fact that I think she's one step up as speaker of the house shows. Maybe she is quite worried about parliamentary democracy and you know you look look back at how unfortunately parliament is still very pale male and stale and a lot of those people in the back benches and can be brought to heel by a woman women quite well and if you look back at Betty boothroyd in the nineteen eighties clips of her on youtube she knew how Spring to heal and I think Harriet Harman wouldn't put up with anything and she's got the experience indepth knowledge in parliament even longer than Berko to be able to run that place the way will need if we end up with having an extreme parliament on both on both sides you know we've got extreme stream momentum. MP'S IN AND EXTREME BREXIT party MP's in you know getting it. There is something something will break eventually. We'll need to be some kind of reset. It's just hard to see how that will be done finally could the contents of an MP's lunchbox exact widespread change in Europe's eating eating habit. Sylvia spirit is a new Polish member of the European Parliament. He's also Vegan and when she tried to get the mail in the canton her only option was a plate of chips or French fries or need freedom fries if you're George Bush and some salad greatest hero rabbit or seven year old but not perhaps if you're in charge of representing your citizens it made me think about get your favorites government subsidized canteens we've all been in French work canteens British work canteens parliamentary work canteens. What's it like that what's it. What's life like in their Alex. Well you know it's a it's a real mix. I haven't been any ones my favorite is the canteen Senate National Archives to just outside Washington. DC which is where the State Department and CIA caves which has fabulous selection of cuisines and really very good food and until the burke find herself a Vegan options she would be fine yeah that would be no problem but the EU clearly needs to get with the program on that because really you know if we're talking about environmental change and I mean anyone who is being vegetarian or Vegan and traveled to France knows that this is all Germany actually knows that this can be a real uphill struggle but and chips and salad. I'm afraid is quite often offered on a hiding to nothing if taking Alex you on the other hand Vinson you you've been a member of parliament canteen and you could have sympathy with Sylvia sporadic yeah. Do you know what I'm going to fly the flag Britain on this one because in this you know and we're looking at rocky said you can't trust people to cook that bad. Do you know what I think. Brisson does convenience food food better and healthy convenience food better than anywhere else in Europe. I traveled around Europe working. The EU canteens are awful. What what can you get for lunch taken. Thank you well. It's it's you know it's it's chips and so that is the vegetarian option in the you know the. I've had bad fish there. I've had awful rubbery check in the House of Commons in the UK. Has There is lot of vegan food a lot of vegetarian food. It's fresh salad bars and also the food is good because there there is a a wonderful one of the Jamaican west Indian heritage chefs in the Commons introduced the comments to jerk chicken. You can get jerk in every day that we can house comments. It is amazing. They now sell L. The recipe and hits for it because it's so good you can have stir fry things. You can have all kinds of food. I mean and I worked for company which is headquartered in France the canteen there is no oh great and reprimanded by French colleague because I thought the food was so bad being served up that I went sandwiches crisps and fruits which I was told that that is not a lunch and I was like what is better than what's being served here's they. I think Britain actually does public canteen food quite well actually let for French company by you have cheese. He's bar and walling. Oh very during lunch is absolutely fine absolutely oils. The wheels perfectly but is that whole idea of everything thing that we've spoken about is heavily subsidized. Whether it's a private broadcasting company that you work for or indeed th th the the local parliament should we really be subbing our MP's. He's to have jerk to. This is the biggest mistake that people make about this. You're not subsidizing the MP's in place parliament. You only have six hundred and fifty. MP's you have four thousand staff including police officers minimum wage cleaners researchers who paid for the work they do in parliament when you're in parliament they are secure bubble zones hard getting announce of your often working long hours and in Westminster. There isn't really many options around because it's all kind of formal buildings there aren't that many canteens it's canteens and in European pounds the same. It's not for the cause any Pisa. MP's don't often eaten them that much. It's for the staff that work there because because your when I worked for an MP this decade ago I three meals a day because I was in at seven and I didn't leave until nine o'clock at night because of the sitting out of the chamber when you're doing that it's it's who you subsidizing at four. We'll have to leave it there leaving us with an appetite for jerk chicken vince convenient Alex fanton sleman. Thank you very much indeed for joining us on on medical twenty four the briefing live on monocle twenty four with Emma Nelson as we were hearing in the headlines. Members of Congress have been examining a complaint from a whistle blower. That's led to calls Donald Trump's impeachment. The complaint refers to a controversial phone call cool between president trump and the Ukrainian president Philadelphia's Alinsky. So what do we need to know what Abbot Adam Gopnik is a staff writer for the New Yorker magazine and as long advocated located an impeachment inquiry into president trump. He's been speaking to Monaco's Thomas Lewis so I've been writing about impeachment of trump for quite a while and I am rarely prescient but it was a month ago that I wrote a piece taking into account all the reasons why understood that Nancy Pelosi would be reluctant to lead the charge for impeachment but saying that it was nonetheless essential morally strategically to go forward with impeachment. I'm glad she's caught up with me now but I do think that the reasons were exactly the reasons I outlined wind in my unduly or my unusually pressing piece which are essentially that if you don't you make it clear that Donald Trump's behavior is unacceptable for the leader of democracy if you don't make it clear that the conception of the presidency not just as a tyrant without constraints but as a mob boss who without government then then you allow that to become an acceptable president and it says the Democratic Party which will someday come back into power views that is being just part of the normal play. Ahah politics you don't impeach trump and that means trump is is just part of the normal back and forth and Oscillation of American politics. That's wrong. There is a normal back and forth oscillation in between left and right in American politics that everyone has to accept on both sides they will be highly conservative right wing governments that I profoundly disagree with in power hour and I have to live with that. Trump is something different. TRUMPISM is a form of criminality in entrenched in power and we have to be able to say we we totally accept the concept of the Oscillation illegitimate power but we can also single out conduct. That's unacceptable and all those reasons for that reason specifically. I think that it's overdue an wanted. Nancy Pelosi shows reticence in your view and now in a very quick space of time has nicer to take relate well. Her reticence was grounded in a very real sources she understands is not enough progressives do that a large part of the Democratic Liberal Caucus were elected in trump sympathetic writings as we were saying Canada and districts my son I will add personal worked for one of those candidates a wonderful manning Max rose who won the most right wing Congressional district strict in New York City and one of the most rightwing in all of your state in Staten Island which is kind of the Archie Bunker Tony Soprano part of the world and Max rose did not win his you see by talking about impeachment he wanted by talking about porta-pottys for soccer fields and about healthcare and about local issues above all so asking Max rose all the other Max Roses the Democratic Party to put their political lives on the line on behalf of the quixotic active impeachment seemed to her crazy and that was perfectly rational sane and appropriate reasoning her part. I think that what happened is that as trump's behavior after the Miller report particularly became more and more extreme more and more overtly aggressively and contempt the most basic not just an enormous but premises of constitutional constitutional government it became impossible for her to sustain that position in part because those people who will have to put their political lives on the line have come out and said. I don't don't know how this will affect my political career but I know what's unacceptable. Donald Trump has tried already to say that the witch hunt. You know phrases come back again. Do you think that him trying to paint this. As another you know trying to get him will will wash this tie but does this feel like a different the moment you think you can do with. I'm cereal pessimists in this because each time trump has genius for each time. You say this is the worst. He's attacked a you know a Goldstar mom in during the campaign. He's mocked handicapped person. He's admitted to being a sexual. Predator each time he's comically obviously falsified a weather map just out of vanity narcissism each time they love this. Everyone's gotTa look at this and say this guy's on fit and each time his supporters kind of look around and say well. Maybe that's not so bad you and things that would have been totally intolerable before become tolerable and I fear fear that this may be of the of the same kind I think if you look at the specifics of this couldn't be clearer instance of what's meant by a high crime and misdemeanor then using the position of presidency in order to try and get a foreign power to fabricate evidence against a domestic political opponents it would never have been tolerable at any point in American history when someone would do that and but I as I say part of the the evil genius trumpism is to be able to constantly changed the terrain in a way that makes the intolerable suddenly tolerable and the abnormal the new normal and the outrageous the cause of a collective shrug so I would not be optimistic mystic about it in that way. If optimistic is the word you WANNA use about a political catastrophe but I have to believe and this may be a delusional belief that the other people in his party though they may be have all kinds of used that I don't share are not crazy. They know exactly who he is. Hone stable he is and they know how arbitrary and they know how enter democratic impulses are and at some point. I still believe they have to face that and and if we in in a minimum they're going to have to own their own bad faith. They're gonNA have to own their own own. Bed Consciences. I I think that's a better position to put them in than simply allowing them to skate away. Might this be the moment that actually gives them that boost as opposed to that way to to make that jump I think is so self evidently outrageous that it ought to have that effect but we've seen self evidently outrageous behavior h-have yer get swallowed up in in the recent past so I wouldn't WanNa be unduly optimistic. I do think it's a positive thing for the the people who oppose trump to say. We don't oppose trump because we oppose his policies. We oppose trump because he's an enemy overt enemy of constitutional government. I think it's very important that we make that distinction and we make it aggressively Adam Gopnik there in conversation with motorcycles Thomas Lewis. You're the briefing coming soon monochrome Rolex bring you the pioneers for the founder of Rolex Hands Bills Dove. 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It looks like rather a bright and optimistic thing to be looking through does not it's a neat little fit. How did it come about well. I think there were lots of reasons I think entrepreneurship Benicia and business of in central monocle since the very beginning and even think the circumstances under which Monica was setup two thousand seven a time when a lot of big companies are going bust people were rethinking how they're going to make their way in the world and people realize that honest and interesting businesses can happen to and I think there's a weird parallel between two two thousand seven and now we saw the ousting of the sea of we work and a little bit of that nostalgia about that first generation of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs that naievety he falling away and people thinking you know. What kind of business do you want to run. Does it improve the world. This is hopefully a handbook for providing some best practices might is around that starting by the Nissan. WHO's this for. Is it for if you're an existing business owner looking to freshen up your ideas or is it for people who thought actually. I have a germ of an idea here but I have no idea how this dots shots. Will we love a good printed product and it's fairly heavy search for someone with. I think good you know good strong back. Good upper body strength lifting big printed products around on the welded. Did them as you say it. It's a handbook for the voyeurs who may never quit that that that big money job that they're in but kind of like the idea of running a cafe but maybe it's also for the people straight out of university want to see the best practice and some interesting globally gleaned insights so it's someone who's Fitch works out and likes is to dream glorious ideas and one thing that I noticed about is there as the return of the Comic Strip to Monaco's painters us about that well actually wrote this comic book but for some reason someone took my name off it so from the beginning to the end we decided that that big expo section of the magazine which we normally reserved for peace of repechage should be something a little bit instructive. Hopefully not didactic should make you laugh should make you smile and should maybe your across a couple of these lessons that that come out elsewhere in the in the magazine running. A business can be fun. You don't have to look for a massive valuation or changed the world you can just change the street. You live on the village. You could just start a company to spend have more time with the people you love and I think that sense of of fun and that you know issuing the earnestness that surrounds the idea of border ports and bills and business. It was very important to do and there are a couple of really filthy jokes in there. I'm not sure if you saw them probably keep them away from any one of a sense disposition discreetly turned away. Just rinse it out. I believe it's out today of all times great timing Tishman at thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle twenty four you at the briefing and finally let's Cross Djuric Monaco's contributing editor in the city. Jessica Bridge joins us for a roundup of stories from from middle upper. Welcome back to the briefing Jessica. Tell us now about the one hundred frank note so that's pretty exciting one here in Zurich and in Switzerland as a whole whole it's been about two weeks since the Swiss National Bank released the new hundred franc note which is a beautiful blue note and it is actually the most commonly circulated curated note in the Pantheon of Swiss bills an why this the the bill came about in the first place so the Swiss Swiss release a different rounds of currency and this particular one comes twenty years. It's the ninth series after the eighth series and the reason for its releases. This is primarily security measures. The old notes weren't up to par Let's move on to the film festival. It's opening day so it is opening day. The city is really a buzz with all of the kind of goings on in this is the fifteenth time that the Film Festival has convened and there are a number of luminaries here including Cate Blanchet Julie Delpy Javier Bardem Donald Sutherland Ronald enrich and more than how the press covering it to a where you are at the moment what's at the end zone so there's a lot of coverage for example the end the dead foia tone which is their arts section has a long interview with Julie Delpy. there's an article by Co Founding Director Carl Spirit about Oliver Stone who this year is the jury president so it's a little bit more about how the atmosphere in Zurich changes ages when the superstars roll into town so Zurich always has kind of this low key glamorous side to it but when superstars there's roll into town the city really rolls out the red carpet and a lot of the branding for the film festival is up all over and there's definitely a palpable sense of excitement. Let's let's move over to Berlin. lots of coverage of the thirtieth anniversary since the Berlin Wall fell What's the balance item saying about it so the Berliner Zeitung has had a run of opinion pieces and articles about the thirtieth year anniversary and today is a piece by Burchett? 'EM WHO runs a hair salon on lamenting that Berlin is now to hip too expensive too aggressive in this is not her Berlin anymore tennis little bit. We'll watch the reasons for such to sort of a pronouncement of so basically the city has changed a lot and she's lamenting a lot of the changes that are linked to rent increases. This is the cities become more competitive in it's been more about demonstrating wealth but also she's noticing a lack of social responsibility and saying that given the freedom the Berlin promises you have to also give to the city and not only take from it. Can you give us some examples of what she said that too much taken a not enough give that people expect to be able to do as they please into take of the cultural offerings that the city has an of the infrastructure and a lot of the elements that make Berlin linnea great city it some of the finest public transportation it has. This vibrant arts scene a vibrant music scene but that she seeing that there's been a change in that people people are kind of coming in for a couple years crash landing. They're not contributing to it jetting back out again and that's something that I've seen so I've lived there since two thousand ten into and it changes are really startling in what way tell us how your daily life is changed the. It's much harder to get apartments. There used to be pop up. Bars vacant lots is that had jungle like greenery kind of this paradise of experimentation and a lot of that activity has really been squeezed out for example on one of the main shopping streets near me. I used to be bookshops and little cafes that were completely unpretentious unbranded and now there's a chanel store that sells makeup and various chains and this is something we see in a lot of cities but in Berlin. It's really impacted what made the city of really great world city. It's just kind of taken the city down a notch auction. It's become much more like other cities in Europe which maybe isn't bad but it also removes what made Berlin special and one thing that has been doing is though it positively trying to get rid of course yes yes and that Berlin has a lot of positive things it's trying to do. They've been looking at ways to address housing issues so the city's not without kind of a response to a lot of issues in one of the big ones getting rid of cars and this coming weekend or the first weekend in October. There's an experiment report of Friedrichstrasse which is one of the main shopping streets in the east part of the city will be free of Cars Jessica Percha. Thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle twenty four. That's all we have time for today's program. The briefing was was produced by Reese James Marcus hippy and Daniel H and researched by will higginbotham studio manager was steph Singer. Thanks to all an thanks to my guests in the studio to to finance from me Emma Nelson Goodbye. Thank you very much for listening into a loaned statiscal. Condo Monocle Vinci Guada- twenty four this Espen L. Monaco vintage crop broadcasting from London Zurich Pong Kong Tokyo Toronto and Los Angeles. You're listening. Income Monaco twenty four with over one hundred editors and correspondents uncle delivers the latest in global affairs business business media fresh music fashion design and much more stay with us the headlines are up next monocle keeping an eye on the world so it's twenty one hundred and Tokyo fourteen hundred in Zurich Thirteen hundred here in London and ATM in New York City. You're listening to monocle article twenty four.