Glare of public outrage budges Trump admin on medical deferrals
The show we at nine eastern on m._s._n._b._c. we're gonna be joined by phone in just a moment live by the prime minister of off the bahamas country that has been in right now continues to be just absolutely pummeled by hurricane dorian the bahamas of course our nation of about about four hundred thousand people about seven hundred islands in the bahamas the devastation there from hurricane dorian is is not evenly spread to say the least the focus for rescue recovery now is on the places in the bahamas that have been hardest hits hardest hit and it's all just almost impossible to visually take again what you're looking at here but this is what it looks like as of now in the avocado islands which is part of the northern bahamas. This is less than two hundred miles else off the florida coast hurricane dorian hit avocado on sunday as a category five hurricane with winds that reached more than one hundred and eighty eighty five miles per hour. This is the most powerful storm to ever have been known to have hit. The bahamas prime. Minister hubert menace announced just in this past our that the known death toll in his country has risen to seven before tonight. It had been five now seven. It is feared that that toll will further rise is for the reasons you can see on your screen right now. This widespread devastation in the bahamas as aerial photography is finally able to get in there and as people are finally able to get in there to see the results of what has happened with that storm. I mean beyond the hurricanes shear strength the death and destruction. I an avocado and on the neighboring island of grand bahama are in part the result of how static dorian has been how slowly it has been moving the storm basically basically stalled over grand bahama for forty one straight hours to get a sense of what that means the washington post described as the equivalent of a strong tornado and a flash flash flood happening at the same time but roaring on and on and on for more than a day and a half tornadoes don't usually last a day and a half for visual visual perspective. I know that some of these images are sort of hard to place in part. This looks sort of like a boat out on the ocean out out in the open ocean like maybe you're looking from a vessel here. This is actually a view taken at the international airport. This is the airport in freeport in the bahamas. Which is the nation's second largest city. This is not a boat out on the ocean. This is the land or what used to be at. This is the international airport. This is the town of marsh harbour on avocado. Just entirely underwater the fact that dorian wouldn't move that it was stuck there for so long <unk> has meant that it took a long time to get these images it was basically impossible to get a sense of what had happened there and to get relief efforts underway until the eye of the storm. Finally he moved off grand bahama which only happened this afternoon as the washington post reports tonight. Emergency responders are now conducting quote targeted rescues on on the facebook page of the prime minister's office. The government asked people stranded on grand bahama to send their g._p._s. locations via whatsapp one user posted quote freeport gospel chapel multipurpose building meaning. I'm trapped there. I need rescuing there. Another person posted quote hi stuck by grand central four way in plot in excuse me grand central four-way. Please send help holding onto a wall. The people sending live reports with their g._p._s. coordinates. What's happening them to the facebook page of the prime minister. You have to try try to save people however you can in circumstances like this but again. This is the strongest storm to have ever been known to hit the bahamas joining us now by phone from nassau from the capital of the bahamas. Hamas is prime minister hubert menace mister prime minister sir. I know this is an incredibly difficult time. I will not keep you long but thank you for taking a moment to talk with us about what's happening there. Thank you very much. I know sorry that you were able to survey the damage in the bahamas among other places from the air today you were able to get up in a plane and can you tell us what you've been able to see as we were able to survey obstacle wannabe islands that was hit by this monster hurricanes arkansas' and the damage is less in the southern. <hes> area is more progressive as it moved north as we enter the airport with international airport and mice however we find that the runway and joining areas on the water and therefore no aircraft can land bring any form of relief and i'd be moved for the north. We know that <hes> <hes> marsh harbour area has been decimated. I would estimate that at least sixty percent of the homes and mice however has either been destroyed or or or by damaged <hes> the an area to be called the mud <hes> <hes> many of the asian nationals <hes> live that area has been completely destroyed and as we komo for the north i'm heading into the cooperstown other northern areas find that i'm the roadway is flooded flooded and in some aspects would be broken therefore there's no <hes> roadway transportation network between the north central. They're different communities and <hes> the uproar in the traffic area thirty one the northern settlement that airport though the runway is usable well. There's no access between the main road and the airport because that's joining thoroughfare is again flooded and underwater and there was a community unity <hes> the home within that community a gravely damaged passionately destroyed and <hes> that right lease. It's about thirty individuals who were standing outside the home on on dry ground would be considered relatively high ground those individuals repassed by were the being yellow cloth any type of clothing that they had available to them <hes> trying to point out to us that they were still alive and needed some form of assistance at elite <hes> that exact location was mopped and <hes> information was sent to <hes> helicopter in the nearby i <hes> area and those three individuals would have been rescued and transported to safety so basically <hes> what we're seeing with <hes> with <hes> avocado at this particular time the not yet surveyed grand bahama is not a clear yet so we cannot <hes> so they grandmamma but we expect to find quite a bit of devastation there and damage as a result the flooding. I you know the full the storm essentially <hes> fell asleep on grandma which would have <hes> even more damaged you can imagine <hes> being battered by one hundred and eighty to two hundred miles power wind for an excess of almost two days that can be very devastating mister prime minister so that the amount of devastation that you were describing avocados if you were able to get up and see today from the air when you describe neighborhoods with sixty percent of homes destroyed or damaged other neighborhoods that appeared to be entirely destroyed coupling coupling that with what you were describing about the infrastructure in terms of roads and airports being inundated in unusable have to ask if you feel that that evacuation orders were successful will there be large numbers of people that need rescue efforts in avocado or where people largely evacuated from the areas that were most resilient goup which you will find that even if <hes> evacuation after i leave cetera you find that the average behemoth want to stay in their community and rebuild the face challenges. I'm just not as bad as this before. These faced many hurricanes where areas and communities would ever stated and community tend to come together. Ah rebuild homes built at a very great standard building codes were built to withstand about one hundred and fifty miles per hour in the never expected that they would wendy encounter the velocity as high as one hundred the eighty to two hundred miles per hour but we would take the lesson and we would even build our strengthen our cords <hes> even more to ensure that <hes> the <hes> <hes> protected and protect ourselves and prepare as best we can in the end that straw that <hes> storms <hes> approach shores with even greater velocity but the billion people and <hes> <hes> stay and rebuild <hes> we would not leave island to move another survey in terms of people people who may still be there and who may need help either on grand bahama or anybody remaining an avocado especially as the storm now moves away from the bahamas and people start to emerging realized what around them and realize that they may not be able to travel is there communication are cell towers down are people able to communicate <hes> <hes> who who may need help as he passed through the arbuckle area <hes> several of our towers down and communication is limited <hes> we're using satellite phones to communicate with the various areas <hes> still in some areas. We're getting what up messages going through so <hes> communicating prior to that but <hes> as soon as the all clear is given even you can be assured that <hes> <hes> vessels on international community will be there and would commence rebuilding building their lives immediately <hes> were happy that <hes> but great for legacy that the storm had not hit <hes> economic engine of obama's which is new problems <hes> this is men tourist destination and they can see that new providence was not attached to the hotel airport street infrastructure telephone systems. Everything is still one hundred percent folks. No just <hes> just is was before hurricane those islands that are here that were hit does not necessarily affect new providence i economic engine functions and economic engines will use it our resources to help rebuild those two islands prime minister hubert minnesota nisa the bahamas sir. Thank you so much for giving us some of your time tonight. People around this country and around the world are obviously expressing concerns in prayers for the people of the bahamas. Thank for helping us understand. What's happening there so good luck. Thank you very much a live report there from the prime minister of the bahamas. He just completed a press conference earlier tonight. We're able to get him on the phone grateful for his time. As i mentioned earlier hurricane dorian i wall did finally move off of grand bahama this afternoon the prime minister mr saying there that it was as if the storm went to sleep over grand bahama island it is here the prime minister say listen. We'd build one hundred fifty mile an hour wind standard here. We didn't expect to have one hundred and eighty mile two hundred mile an hour winds for that sustained period right again strongest strongest storm to ever know ever known to have hit the bahamas now that the iowa has moved off of the bahamas. It is still moving slowly toward the u._s. Coast and and it is still a hurricane. Doreen is now a category two hurricane. It's gone from tropical storm two one two two all the way up to five. It's now back down to two right now. The winds are topping out at as you can see there about one hundred ten miles per hour. According to the national hurricane center they expect the storm now to move what they call dangerously close close to the florida coast and the georgia coast late tonight through tomorrow and into tomorrow night's then they expect it to be near or over over the coast of south carolina and north carolina <hes> through friday morning florida's east coast is already getting rain from the outer bands of dory and right now there are hurricane warnings and storm surge warnings in effect for most of the southeast coast. There are mandatory evacuation orders along the coast of florida and georgia and south carolina. We we expect north carolina's mandatory evacuations to begin tomorrow morning so again we will continue to track dorian as it threatens the united states. Those scenes from the bahamas is are absolutely devastating interesting to hear the prime minister there talk about the economic engine of the hamas being alive and being relatively untouched by the storm. He's talking that is being key to being able to mount rescue and rebuilding efforts and avocado and grand bahama that were so badly but we're just starting to get the first images off of those this island's because the storm just stayed there for so long so we will stay on that over the course of tonight. I also want to update tonight on a story that we covered pretty intensively intensively last week. This was a story i broken by w._v._u. Our public radio station in boston and by commonwealth magazine in massachusetts was also picked up thereafter by the boston globe and the miami herald then ultimately by the new york times but when this story first broke it massachusetts it was based on a couple of cases that centered around boston children's hospital boston children's hospital really elite children's hospital and it was almost as an unbelievable evil bit of news when this first started to emerge in the northeast last week there had been no announcement about this from the trump administration the only way anybody learned this trump administration plan was unfolding was when individual families started receiving letters from the trump administration that they had no warning of they couldn't believe them when they received them. They didn't know what to make of them. They started to turn to doctors and lawyers and advocacy groups to help for help with understanding what this could mean but the longest shortest the cartoonish lee evil caricatured bottom line of it as we the merged last week and as we reported here on the shell last week is that the trump administration had had somehow figured out a way to zero in on kids with life threatening illnesses kids with cancer kids with cystic fibrosis kids with rare diseases for which they they need specialized delicate advanced medical care of the kind that you can only get at elite children's hospitals the trump administration in their wisdom figured your daughter way to find those kids and those families in america and target them target them in some cases for death the trump the station with no warning started sending families of those kids in those situations letters telling them that even though those kids were here in this country legally to receive lifesaving medical care the trump administration has decided in its wisdom that that was no longer reason for those kids to be allowed to stay here so those parents needed to stop getting lifesaving medical care for their children and they needed to get them in their families out of this country within thirty three days. They all got the same boilerplate little letter this policy this program no longer applies. You need to be out in thirty three days. No appeal no referral that's and as i said this started as a local local story in massachusetts i think it took a few days to boil up into a national news story in part because who could believe this was really happening right. This was so oh indefensible. This is so morally repugnant literally. They're targeting kids with cancer now. I think the national press corps may not have been able able to fully sort of that. This really was the trump administration had decided to do next <hes> but this is real news. This is a real thing they've been doing and they're targeting. These kids actually extended to kids and families who were literally invited to come to this country by america's best children's hospitals invited here not as charity cases heartstrings cases where america was being generous literally. These families and these kids were invited here simply because american medical researchers needed needed access to these kids to try to develop cures to rare diseases. I don't know if you ever wanted to be a doctor. When you were growing up. I was always israeli squeamish about needles and blood and everything so i knew that i could never do it so it was never one of my fantasies ever but i know that for all the people who do end up becoming ming doctors and medical researchers in this country there are thousands more americans who grow up having this kind of superhero fantasy about how cool it would be to become a great doctor right right how cool it would be to become a groundbreaking medical researcher. It's an understandable like childhood fantasy right one of the great super heroic conquests. You could imagine imagine for yourself as one of the world's great doctors. It's one of the world's great researchers would be if you could come up with a cure or treatment for previously untreatable rare disease imagine what that would mean how meaningful that would make your life. If that was your life's work right. There are real doctors. There are real super heroic roic doctors who do that kind of work at the best children's hospitals in the world many of which are in the united states but that work doesn't just happen by genius alone it doesn't happen with capes and superpowers in order to develop cures for rare diseases. What you need is the ability to work with patients who have those rare diseases diseases and by definition of the word rare. There are not all that many of those patients and doctors for example at the u._c. San francisco children's hospital in northern california doctors doctors who are looking to test a potential treatment for a devastating rare disease called m. p. s. six where kids are born without an enzyme. They need to live doctors doctors wanting to develop a treatment for that rare disease well. They found a little seven year. Old girl named isabel isabel wessel who lived in another country. She had that rare disease at u._c._s._f. They recruited her and her family. They asked her family to please come to this country so she it could be part of a clinical trial that was testing an experimental treatment for her rare disease. They need patience to be able to test these treatments to be able to develop develop these treatments to be able to cure diseases. There's no other way to do it and so they need to find these patients wherever they are in the world and bring them here and because isabelle was able to come from another country to california to be part of this clinical trial that clinical trial finally had enough patients to be allowed to go ahead and the clinical trial went ahead had and it was successful and that treatment for that rare diseases now f._d._a. Approved thanks to her and her family and then last week. We learned that the trump administration had decided it was time for i heard a die. She gets weekly intravenous infusions of that experimental treatment which is not approved for distribution in her home country. Nevertheless the trump administration sent her family only a boilerplate letter a form letter telling them they needed to take isabel off treatment and get out of this country go back to where they came from and so that letter to isabelle's family and other families like isabelle's led to this initial coverage at w._b. Warr magazine follow up coverage from the boston austin globe including a devastating editorial from the boston globe. We picked up the story here on this show. Story also started getting covered in florida. The miami herald the new york times ultimately front page the story with this headline sick migrants undergoing lifesaving care can now be deported the oversight committee in the house notice what was happening. They announced an emergency hearing to be held this week friday of this week at which the head of the us citizenship and immigration services and the acting head of ice were both told to who appear then this letter went out signed by one hundred twenty seven members of congress remarkably every single one of the democrat apparently republicans don't care about this <music> one hundred twenty seven members of congress. All democrats sent this letter to the trump administration demanding a reversal of this policy demanding that they don't kill these kids but also demanding answers to a bunch of pretty direct questions like for example this one which is essentially who did it and why what was the rationale for the policy change. Please provide any emails memoranda guidance or other documents discussing the rationale for the policy change also who were the most senior officials in the white house and the department of homeland security who approved this change. Why did you not provide advance notice to the public to congress before this change was enacted for that matter what formal notice at all has been provided to the public or to congress that this change has been enacted in other words we the congress are only learning about this from the press the press only learning about it from the families you have taken aim at this is a major policy change where you just not gonna mention it the ground swell of disbelief and criticism and outrage over what the trump administration was doing here just kept building steadily over the course of last week. The story started to make network t._v. t._v. News anchors gayle king c._b._s. Morning show expressing on the air that surely surely this must be an error. Surely something could be done to fix this boston. Globe brand second editorial blistering one headline the most inhumane of trump's immigration policies. Here's the lead editorial quote president and it trump's latest outrageous immigration policy has become a bureaucratic hot potato an attack on sick immigrants so cruel that seemingly no part of the federal immigration asian system wants to implement it and really why would they unless the administration takes the hint and withdraws the proposal. It's asking officials to take actions that that ought to haunt their conscience and the countries and then finally after a week of this we have been watching this the story break and massachusetts and slowly build and slowly get flushed out and congress start to notice and editorial board start. Pick it up and it become a national news story. We've seen a week of this growing disbelief and outrage at what they're doing and now trump administration has changed their mind and they have reversed the policy sort of that's next hi. It's katy tur want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. While you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented era of news text m._s._n._b._c. two six six eight six six to subscribe you might have seen some of these headlines over the last twenty four hours to send the new york times faced. I with criticism trump administration reverses abrupt end. She humanitarian relief from from w._v._u. Are in boston which did the some of the first reporting on the story. After public outcry feds agree to reopen certain medical deferral requests at commonwealth magazine in massachusetts which also did great reporting on the story from the very beginning ginning quote trump administration changes course on immigrant parents those told to leave the country will be allowed to stay for now that for now is doing a lot of work there because even though the trump administration appears to have caved on this they appeared to reverse themselves on this they will at least now consider the applications of kids who are already currently here in this country receiving lifesaving medical treatment they will consider the applications of those kids to stay on which which is a reversal it appears that the bigger picture of what they're doing here is not so much a reversal of this astonishing policy they were trying to get away with it appears to be more of just a temporary reprieve to try to cool down the heat of the spotlight that has been burning into them about this over the course of the last week and you know we should have expected that we have seen this before when it comes to the trump administration's anti immigrant policies that they want to crow about to their base for political purposes but they really don't wanna defend on the merits we saw for example when the trump administration was initially found to be taking little kids and babies away from their moms and dads at the border forcibly separating families families against their will you might remember the trump. Administration initially claimed that that wasn't their policy at all then they've made it okay. It was their policy but it wasn't a new the policy everybody's always done this hadn't they. Then in the face of a nationwide convulsion of outrage over their policy they made a big show of announcing they were stopping the policy well of course we've since learned that despite that big showy announcement and despite court orders telling them that they can't separate kids from their parents anymore the trump administration has actually just gone ahead and continued taking little kids away from their families at the border even to this day and it looks like that may be sort of what they're trying to pull pull off with this new announced apparent reversal of their new policy targeting kids with cancer and kids with cystic fibrosis and kids with rare diseases who are undergoing lifesaving medical care. The new england chair of the american immigration lawyers association has multiple clients who have been targeted by the trump administration in this latest dystopia intern. She tells commonwealth magazine in massachusetts today. Quote they created problem and are now pretending to solve it. They are not solving the problem with this new announcement. They are just pumping it to be dealt with later joining us now. Is that immigration attorney masa convy. I i miss combine. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. I appreciate you making time to be here. Thank you so much for having me rachel and drawing attention to this so we've seen all these headlines suggesting suggesting that the trump administration has backed off that maybe this was an error that maybe they didn't necessarily know what they were getting into and they started telling all these families that they were gonna and have to stop lifesaving medical treatment and leave this country but you're suggesting at least from the way you understand it that this may not be a reversal. They essentially may just be. He's sort of hitting pause. Yeah definitely the seems to just be a temporarily step temporary step back from their policy change change in that they're going to no longer retroactively apply this policy which is what one would have expected in the first place but going forward any application that was it was filed after august seventh will no longer be accepted or reviewed and instead they will have to go through the deportation process as the government recently recently stated so the people who've been profiled in the press reports about this policy change from the trump administration and some of them are people who had applied for this status and received this form letter in response saying no. We're no longer considering that. We can imagine what will happen now now that those applications will be reconsidered but you're saying anybody else who's in this similar situation who's in this country who was receiving life-threatening threatening lifesaving medical care here who can't get that lifesaving medical care in another country while that previously would have been the basis for applying to stay in this country. They're not hot planning on looking at any of those applications in the future correct right so essentially they're continuing with this gratuitously cruel policy so if someone were to apply on august eighth or today saying i have a very rare heart condition for example like my client who did not have arteries connecting electing to her heart and had to come to the united states for the treatment. If she tried to apply today they would not take her case and instead she would have to go into the deportation station process which would use tremendous government resources from ice to having to process these individuals to going to an immigration court where they have to see a the judge and use the resources of an already overburdened immigration court and the trial court system and then finally when they get a deportation deportation order from an immigration judge only then could they ask the immigration and customs enforcement office ice saying. Please don't carry out this deportation tation order. Let me apply for a stay of deportation. That's a very key distinction there that this is a legal status that is being taken away way. There's not people who are here in an illegal status. These are people who have legal status now on it's being removed putting them in a totally different part of the enforcement section. Let me just ask you briefly. You mentioned in your fourteen year old client there. We talked about her. The last time you were here miscount bobby she's fourteen years old. She has had how heart surgery for this condition. She is expected. She's recovering. I'm from that. She's expected to have further heart surgery in the future. Can i just ask what this has been like for her and her family having received this word that she would have to leave and they'll going through this apparent reprieve bright there obviously so thankful that the issue will no longer have to worry about this in the near future but we're not not sure yet how the government's even going to look at these applications when they put their statement. They seemed to bring a new condition a higher standard or burden it into be matt comparable to what individuals have to do when they're applying for a visitor visa at a u._s. Embassy so frankly i'm still concerned about how her application and all the others will be looked at also bobby who's chair of the new england chapter the american immigration lawyers association representing several people who have been caught up in this this new nightmare from the trump administration and thank you very much for joining us. Please keep us apprised. Thank you thank you so much rachel. Appreciate it much more to tonight. Stay with us in the great on winnowing so the next democratic presidential debate is next week ten candidates thursday next week in houston the d._n._c. set tougher criteria for qualifying for next week's debate that cut the field in half right so the previous debates had twenty contenders contenders competing back to back over two nights the next one the third debate is just going to be ten candidates all on one night in other words. The winnowing of the democratic presidential angel field begins but now let it also start on beginning because why not democrats the d._n._c. Just this week and confirmed the qualifying criteria for the fourth debate the one that happens in october next month under the rules just announced by the d._n._c. e._n._c. All of the candidates who qualify for next week's debate are definitely already in for october but people who don't qualify for next week's debate people who don't hit their remarks either in polling or fundraising times for next week's debate will get another month to try so the criteria for getting into the next two debates the one next week and one in october criteria is the same but the window for qualifying for the second one is longer so same start debate for qualifying for both debates that means you get a longer time to to try to get into the october one that means even though the september debate is going to reduce the candidate numbers down to ten the october. Debate is probably going to open them back up the october. Debate will end up being an unwin knowing which is the opposite of trying to zero in on the strongest candidate to represent the party right but that's it's where democrats are with one night of debate set in september and as they announced over this labor day weekend possibly two nights again in october for a newly re expanded banded field people who got cut for this next debate might be there next month democrats that said we also learned about something else that is likely likely to have significant political impact that could be happening at the exact same time of that weird winnowing debate and that story is next the washington post today broke some surprising news that as soon as next month as soon as october the house judiciary committee is preparing to hold hold hearings and call witnesses involved in hush money payments two ex playboy model karen mcdougal and adult film star stormy daniels. This is the case that already put the president's personal lawyer michael cohen in federal prison for campaign finance felonies. It's a case in which federal prosecutors in the southern district of new york have already named the president as individual one who they say directed the commission of these felonies will now among other things. The judiciary committee apparently wants to find out what the president knew about these felonies. They're interested in exploring the president's own evolving explanations about what he knew of the scheme judiciary. The democrats also apparently want to investigate why the justice department ended their own criminal investigation of this hush money scheme after michael cohen was sent to prison for it. Clearly other people were involved in this or wouldn't have been a scheme. Why did the justice department ended after only charging michael cohen joining us now. Is tom. Hamburger reporters. Washington post was part of breaking the story hamburger really appreciate you making time to be here with us tonight. Thanks to be with you rachel. Thanks so. I say this is surprising news because i'd wile weil. This seemed to me like a big dangling threat in terms of the various scandals that have surrounded the president this particularly interesting one because of what federal prosecutors told the federal judge in this case about the president's own involvement. We didn't previously have any sense that the democrats in the house were interested in pursuing this on their own terms terms. Am i right that this is the first we've known that they've been interested in going after this. This is the first indication we've had from the judiciary committee that they are putting this on their list of priorities topics to investigate. We knew rachel already that they were focused on some of the things that were that were front and center in the mother report award particularly the alleged incidents of of possible obstruction of justice but this six case sixth <hes> matter involving the hush money payments had been very much on the back burner and there was no definite sign that it was going to be investigated by the judiciary committee or other committees. He's until just the last few weeks the prospect of there being hearings on this in the house. I suppose could go a couple of different ways a lot of the high profile witnesses that the committees have gone after they haven't been able to get to come in to testify at all when people have been able to come in and testify more often than not we have seen those people testifying behind closed doors. We have any sense as to whether or not the witnesses for this this hearing including presumably stormy daniels herself who said today on twitter bring it that she's willing to testify. Do we expect that these hearings would be held in in public that these would be televised hearings rather than closed door hearings a <hes> rachel the terms of the hearing have not been formally set but our expectation of the interviews that my colleague rachel baid at the post and i did suggest ask this is a high profile hearing a high profile hearing so yes public it is something that the members of the judiciary committee felt in a sense <hes> <hes> that they have a public duty to to present publicly in part because you just suggested the investigation of this hush money payment seemed to end rather. There's suddenly in the southern district of new york. Michael cohen was sentenced to <hes> is doing jail time because of his involvement with it but the documents that were released by a federal judge also concerned about getting public attention to this <hes> showed that there were strong indications that there was <hes> a group of individuals not just michael cohen <hes> involved in a conspiracy to basically subvert campaign finance laws make payments <hes> that would assure that the testimony of these women would remain quiet at least not go public at least not before election day and tom. We know that the judiciary committee authorized authorize some subpoenas that seem to be related to this case earlier in the summer like in july they authorized subpoenas for keith davidson one of the attorneys who is involved in this also stormy daniels yourself also current mcdougal also david pecker dylan howard from the national enquirer as far as we've been able to figure out here on on the staff of my show those subpoenas while they got a lot of attention at the time they were authorized by the committee but as far as we can tell they have not yet been served for those peop- they have have not actually received subpoenas. Is that true. That's that's what we understand is well rachel. There are reports that there have been some preliminary discussions sion's with some of those people and i wanted to turn back to a point you mentioned just moment a moment ago which is one of the reasons there's excitement about. This particular. Case is that unlike the five obstruction cases for example where the judiciary and other committees have been frustrated in their investigation because the trump administration has basically refused present or former administration employees to testify in this case you're dealing with employees and individuals including those you just mentioned who have never been employed by the administration and thus may not be subject to that sort of constraint. There's one other thing that i think it has has the investigators attention and has members of the committee <hes> eager to move forward and that is unlike some of the other investigations at subpoenas that have been issued for government documents in this case we know so that the publisher of the national enquirer has turned over to the committee some documents already so there are documents in hand and there is a affair possibility of getting some witnesses to testify <hes> what that the bottom line for the committee is <hes> <hes> the possibility of getting of having some real <hes> drama <hes> at a public hearing and i think that's where they're headed in early october. Tom hamburger our reporter with the washington post. Tom thank you very much for helping us understand this reporting that you broke with rachel beta really really appreciate it. Thank you all right. Thanks more news to get to tonight. Stay with us. This is something you have to see whether or not you've been following following every twist and turn in the ongoing debate in our great ally the u._k. Where this ancient story democratic government is basically falling apart over brexit of the question of whether and how and when britain should leave the european union whether or not you have been following that at all today you should know they went over a bit of a cliff owns the ice and the rights three hundred and twenty eight the nose left three hundred one offers not a good start boris that was the new british prime minister boris johnson losing his very first brexit vote in parliament and brexit is the reason he's prime minister even worse for him. A whole bunch of members of his own party crossed over to the other side to vote against him despite the threat that they would actually be kicked out of the conservative party permanently if they did sell and again you don't need to know all the ins and outs of the briggs fight to get a sense of how out of control and chaotic things are right there right now. After that initial vote today that not a good start boris. I suppose what boris johnson decided to do. In response was called a snap national election and by snap. I mean six weeks from now. Ready set go new national election and then lawmakers and parliament got so riled up by the leader of the opposition labor party that the speaker of parliament the guy who controls the business on the floor of the guy who's always yelling order her. He basically had to take one of boris johnson's top cabinet officials out behind the woodshed election piece both tomorrow to stop negotiations and to compel another pointless delay to brexit potentially two years then that would be the only the way to resolve this. I can confirm that we are tonight. Tabling a motion under the fixed term parliament he wants to table a motion for general election sign the bill through in order to take no deal off the table who's the members <music> of the duchy when he turns out but our children's school as apparent. He's a betty well-behaved. He wouldn't dare behave like that. In front of choline rent sean spirits to theatrics yourself it. Yes we know the theatrics that he would. They don't seem to be a good boy to the chancellor of the duchy. I don't know what the chancellor of the duchy. Is anybody anybody who tells you they know. Even just what's going to happen tomorrow. In britain is lying. Nobody knows how this is going to resolve is just a remarkable situation over there right now. Whether or not you have been watching the brexit brexit. Fiasco closely really is threatening the basic idea of political conflict resolution it really is threatening governance and a basic way in our most important horton overseas ally in a way that is utterly unpredictable. Watch this space that is going to do it for us tonight. I will tell you though that if you are interested in this story that we've been covering over the past week about the trump administration literally targeting sick and dying children for deportation tation along with their families lawrence is going to be speaking live in the next hour with congressman mark to sonia who is a congressman from california who has been right out in front front on this issue he in fact was the congressman for isabel boy so that young girl who was brought to california at the age of seven to help out in that clinical trial who now relies on weekly treatment at u._c. San francisco children's hospital to keep ourselves alive. She's one of the people who targeted by the trump administration and told to get out of this country congressman. Dasani is going to be joining lawrence. Live ahead plus lots more the show weeknights at nine on m._s._n._b._c. new for me depressed arrest chuck todd cast. 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