Part One: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers
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We started following me on twitter at listen to your music number times and I like it a lot particularly board of education. I think that's probably my favorite one that I've heard so far it's man And I thought you'd be a good a good guest for this episode especially since you have some like family history with the subject. We're talking about Before we're going to do you want to introduce introduce yourself differently than I introduced. It was great. Yeah no I Yeah hip hop artist Do a couple pods now Once called Hood Politics X. which may we'll talk about that later but and One with my wife called the red couch and I yeah do random poetry for a living L. A. Native two daughters and a cat now frustratingly. Anyway I love cats. Yeah Yeah Yeah well you can have ours. Yeah do you WanNa she. Should I call you for this episode. Should you WANNA go by propaganda. Should I call you Jason I it's mostly it's been shortened to prop that's but okay consensus. Yeah all right all right So today we're gonNA talk about The Black Panthers and specifically the bastards who killed the Black Panthers Yeah and that's is going to involve a lot of talk about what the Black Panthers did what they believed Which I is one of a subject I find really fascinating And this was a frustrating episode right in part. Because there's so much that I had to leave out just because you know this is an eleven thousand words script only you only get in so much This this is going to be one. We have a number of episodes like this where like people will hit me up after the wedding you bring up this. Why didn't you bring up that? And it's like yeah that's one of the when you cover something as complex six as the panthers. You're you're going to leave stuff out just because we have about two hours two and a half but yeah you have some some family history. Well yes and I thought it might be good to go into that first year. Yes so my father was a member of the south. La I guess they call it South daily really now we call it south central Chapter of the Black Panther Party In the sixties or at the end of the six thousand six nine hundred sixty eight. My father was Vietnam Vietnam War Vet Essentially as a matter of fact. When we say we're going to do this I like I called him to make sure I had my story line right and fact straight on it get up here embarrass myself But yeah so. He essentially landed from Vietnam back in Los Angeles and almost made a beeline alike. Forty I in central enjoying the joined the Black Panther Party and Yes so he was a part of the sort of after school tutoring Par Program he also was was like basically they all took turns as far as like the which. I'm I'M WE'RE GONNA get to like the policing the streets so he was you know standing behind as like you know. Interactions is with the police. Were there because you know police. Brutality was such a big deal so he was a part of that He was at the UCLA event that got shot up. He was a yes in the he said it was the the span of time he was by the time that like FBI got involved so his office got bombed outings. Yeah so and at that point my my grandmother was like baby. You can't do more so she she kind of pulled the card on him but you know but yeah he's he stayed involved in Yes so I've been hearing bits and pieces of stories as he like unpack trauma. You know what I'm saying And I grew up without those stories in my life you know and paintings of African princesses in kings on our. Why had no Disney in my house at a Mark Martin and Malcolm in Marcus? Garvey like aligning our walls and Geronimo Pratt. And just had that in my house. Yeah no that's that's that's fascinating perspective to have had in a fascinating getting like way to learn about this for me like obviously it's like a white kid who grew up in a pretty mic suburb but a suburb. That didn't have a very a huge black population relation I learned almost nothing about the Black Panthers. I mean it gets a lot of our listeners are kind of in that boat. Where like there's about three things you know about them Obviously there were a black taxable rights organization. They did that thing where they put their fists in the air and some of them carried guns and there's pictures of them carry us and I think when I got out of high school. That's about all I knew about the Black Black Panthers right like there wasn't really anything else I was aware of. I think I caught the name. Huey P Newton for the first time in the lyrics of some hip hop songs and didn't really. We know who he was so for the longest time I had no real understanding about the organization and I think they kind of blended into the general wallpaper of the Civil Rights Movement for me Until I started reading about them specifically and I've come to the conclusion and I say this a lot that it's like a an unforgivable failing of our education occasion system that this isn't a bigger part of standard American history man absolutely and like I know you'll get into but the importance didn't I know my father did put on and the party put on of like knowing the Constitution knowing how Bill O.. Rights like I felt like I was so well versed in American civics because my father was a panther. You know what I'm saying. It was funny because I was like. I just didn't understand that every every house was like this because it was normal for me so when you bring up I'm like well you know fourteenth amendment say Yada Yada Yada seventh graders and kids are like what you know. It's just I just knew this. Because that's how that's what you learn as a panther like you need to know your rights man you know. Yeah Yeah it's critical. Yeah Yeah So so we've we've got. I think we've introduced this. Well enough. Start get into the episode at Not V. Beginning but I guess a beginning On February February seventeenth nineteen forty two huey. P Newton was born in Monroe Louisiana the youngest child of Walter in Armenia Newton's seven children. His Dad Walter was I would say pretty bad ass guy. he worked two jobs his entire life. He served as the Minister for the BETHEL Baptist Church in Monroe on Sundays and Walter Alter was very infamous in his community for not taking any shit from white folks and there's a story about him getting into an argument with one of his employers young White Guy who yells at him that he whips colored men for arguing with him and Walter shot back that nobody would basically nobody whips me unless they're a better man than me unless they go beat me up and this sky. This guy backs down proving that he was not Yeah basically if you want to whip me like you gotta you gotta be able to kick your ask like I want to try that. Yeah that win. Now in the nineteen forties in Louisiana saying that sort of thing could get you murdered as a black guy but Walter had a stringent engines somewhat unique ability to stand up to white folks in his community without being killed and Huey later theorized that this is because his dad was mixed race. His father's father He was GRANDPA was a white man who had raped his mother and walters neighbors knew his white family and didn't WANNA shed part white blood. This was hueys theory when his dad was able to do this There there is something to be said that like unless you're in like communities of color just how color ISM does like in a Lotta ways police how we treat each other and how we see yeah. They're so yes someone that's a little more fair skin. We would say they would say passing like he passes US onto no so like see things you can get away with you know at least in the psyche of a person of color like myself. WHO's not lie skin? Ah In nineteen forty five. When he was a toddler? The Newton family moved to Oakland California. Now Walter always managed to bring a very very stable income The family was still very poor but like they weren't ever sort of starving or anything like that Their most common meal was Kush. which is I guess? A fried corn bread dish which they often eight for every meal of the day He grew up watching his father. Work Eighty hour weeks and still constantly be stressed out over bills In this was a oh really had a big impact on him growing this kind of constant economic anxiety He didn't have an easy adolescence. School was difficult for him and he seems to have had. I think we probably probably would would have today have diagnosed with a learning disability because he was incredibly intelligent he just teachers had a difficulty reaching him is how I would. It seems like what was going on by the time he was in eleventh grade. He was still illiterate and his teachers assume that he was just not intelligent and this was obviously not the case because hobby outside of school was memorizing poetry with his brother but it was not until his high school counselor told him that he was too dumb for college that he weepy. Newton decided he had to prove them all wrong so for two straight years. He studied like a madman teaching himself to read and write and eventually to graduate. High School In nineteen fifty nine he enrolled at Merritt College where he joined the Afro American Association and became well known for his debate bates skills All thought that he might not be material fell out the window as he began a meteoric path of scholastic excellence and he would eventually receive a PhD So yeah this seems to me to be a clear case of a kid that maybe just had like his teachers didn't know how to reach like he was. He was brilliant Do you know it's funny. Because it's like I thought about the my credibility putting on danger here by you saying stuff that I didn't know jobs said and be like Oh wow didn't know that you know and it's already started. It does like I didn't know you couldn't read till you till eleventh grade. 'cause I've only known him as like you said this war tour. You know that was able to articulate the feelings and the sentiment of black American time as crazy. I didn't know that well I think one of the one of the reasons. It's important that from a very early age. He gets this lesson that like the system clearly failed him because he didn't know how to treat him properly and he had to build a system for himself to element himself And obviously like. I didn't know any of this until I read a couple of weeks ago. I read a book. A really good book called Black Against Empire by Joshua Bloom and Waldo Martin That's a really fascinating history of the Black Panther Party And I it's it's very readable. I would say compulsively readable. It's really good history And it's like one of the major sources of this episode. It's very comprehensive and detailed old and I didn't know almost any of this stuff read it. So yeah I a hugely recommend that. Yeah and I'M GONNA actually I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa read a quote from it now. Discussing what set Huey. Huey P Newton apart from his academic colleagues quote. He had aside that most of the budding intellectuals around him lacked he knew the street he could understand and relate to the plight of the swelling ranks ranks of unemployed the brothers on the block in his words who lived outside the Law Newton Street knowledge helped put him through college is he covered his bills through theft and fraud but when Newton was caught he he used his book knowledge to study the Law and defend himself in court impressing the jury and defeating several misdemeanor charges so so good I mean I'm I'm on board with this yeah consciousness that w voice talk about like you just your street knowledge and your book knowledge is like you got them both rock rock and he your unfavorable thing that you brought up earlier we're like it's so important in this is like something. The Panthers always emphasized under have an understanding of the law in your rights. It's yeah yeah in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. Sorry no no no no I was gonna say I firmly believe this like in like I say we we built an entire show around it that like especially when it comes to politics specifically geopolitics odd. This like my belief is like if you came from from any sort of like neighborhood environment all care if it's like rule Oklahoma or you know inner city Detroit if you come from a city city and you had to navigate you know tribes in a city you understand geopolitics you just using the language for it. You know what I'm saying so so so being able to use your own what we would call like hood. Antennas to figure out what's happening in you know dominant culture world like if you have a grasp on both of those dude You're undo undefeatable. Yeah that that does make like I think maybe one of the major issues we have diplomatically. Unlike the international channel stage is that number one so many diplomats guys like donated money rich kids who get yeah but like also nobody who I I do feel like somebody with that sort. St Experience would do a better job for example of doing diplomacy in a place like Baghdad. Because you just have a deeper understanding of like yeah kind of the interpersonal relationships unshipped necessary to make you if you had. You had to convince a bully to not give you a swirly if you went through that you know how to you come to a negotiation table. You know what I'm saying especially especially like if you're Baghdad. You know what I'm saying and the bully is you know the g eighty six. You know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying bullies America. He's like well. I know how to deal with bullies. So here here's here's how to handle this. I mean yeah it. Now in nineteen sixty two Newton met a guy named Bobby Seale protests opposing. The US blockade of Cuba. Now Bobby had been born in nineteen thirty six about five years before Huey and while he was the youngest of Seven Bobby was the oldest child of three. He'd grown up in Oakland where both mother and father worked Bobby's dad was profoundly abusive if and Bobby grew up kind of accepting that random. Violence from authority was irregular. Fact of life. which again would have you know? Be obviously influential in his worldview. Is he grew up now. Obviously when people go through that there's a number of different ways they react to it and I think bobby sort of dealt with it in the healthiest way you can And became sort of obsessed with fighting bullies wherever he found them At one point when he was a little kid he saw another child shoved his sister out of a swing. Bobby push that kid out of the swing and declared that now everyone hang hang on. The playground had a right to use the swing justice. Yeah so bobby. Joined the Air Force as a young man both to get out of the House and so so he could learn how to use firearms. He was given a dishonorable discharge three years. In when he hunted down a man who stole from him and beat that guy very badly with a pipe. So you can read the story. In Bobby's biography sees the time the story of the Black Panther Party which is available for Free Online. I'll have a link to it Personally I think the dude that he attacked had it coming Bobby bounced around for a long time. After this getting whatever jobs he could for a few months at a time before they found out about his dishonorable discharge by nineteen sixty two. He was down and out in California and he took refuge taken by all such men in that situation he became a stand up comedian. Sheesh I did notice about his backstory yeah don't judge later wrote he later. wrote this that year I worked as a comedian in two or three clubs around Oakland Glendon private parties. I think Comedians a hell of a lot. They know a lot of things that are oppressive in wrong. Yeah Yeah I like that. That attitude the Huey and Bobby Seale met at that protest against the blockade of Cuba and they were both members of the Afro American Association together. The leader of that group Donald Warden was a confusing zing man who really liked Castro but was also a major believer in the power of black capitalism to fix societal injustice. He was a bitter critic of mainstream civil rights organizations since Huey P Newton was initially enthralled by Donald's ideology but he grew frustrated win over the course of months it became clear that this like talk was basically all that he felt donald was good for he also critical of Donald's focus on black capitalism. which he didn't think would do a very good job of liberating black people from the whole that he felt capitalism had dug for them again hueys? This guy grown up with all this economic anxiety. He's not real capitalism. Dude I mean we're still debating this yeah you know in community and During this episode. I think we're going to discuss At length a group of people who were distinctly on the fringes of the civil rights movement often very critical of the men and women in kind of the mainstream civil rights movement who worked to alleviate American racism through more traditional legal means And I feel like we should pause right now to talk a little bit about what legally acceptably really working towards equality looked like in this period because I think we get a sanitize at least I think is a white kid. got a very sanitized version of the civil rights movement you got you got a nice. MLK Warm Okay. Yeah and socialist. Mlb Couch But even more to the point where we're going to talk about now what I think. I got a sanitized version of more than anything was the sanitized version of how white people reacted to. MLK Yeah And how people like LBJ reacted MLK. And so we're GONNA talk a little about now that now so then as now. Most black people in America voted Democrat But this should not lead people to believe that the Democratic Party at the time embraced black people as like equal comrades They were just moderately less racist than the Republicans and not always always moderately less racist than the Republicans. Some state democratic parties including the one in Mississippi band black people for membership members of that State's Democratic Party regularly we beat and even murdered black people who tried to register to vote so black mississippians develop their own party. The Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party which focused on registering black people vote wrote three of the parties. Activists were kidnapped tortured and murdered in nineteen sixty four. which is the year that the Civil Rights Act get signed into law by President Johnson so Johnson at the time was the man who signs the Civil Rights Act into law Played a what I would describe as a profoundly cynical in gross game of political brinksmanship with the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party and he kind of yielded to the civil rights movement in a couple of areas but also tried to maintain the Democratic Party southern dominance by throwing bones to the racists in the Democratic Party and in doing so he was engaging in like a proud tradition that goes back to Franklin Delano Roosevelt during the Great Depression. FDR successfully won the black vote for the first time for did the Democratic Party by involving black people in the new deal and giving them access to social programs even appointing several Blackman as advisors but he kept Southern Racist Democrats on board by refusing to take any action against segregation so LBJ was kind of engaging at that point it was a decades old tradition within the Democratic Party Yeah Yeah and and again these are still the conversations were having you know to this day like. Ah We gave them a thought here like yeah. There's the idea of like I know you're only helping me because it's expedient for you right and then you have which you'll see in the in the Black Panther party to like these two to two sides of this coin of like the like. Yeah like the Marcus. Garvey's other world that are like they're never gonNA treat US fairly. We will never shake here. It's never gonNA work. Let's just sleeve right and then you have the other side that says like no like my grandparents my ancestors like built the built the dam nascent like what I'm saying that's our blood and soil like we we picked you know why you're superpower cause you ain't pay to workers you know what I'm saying so paso so it's like I'm just as much American as you are. Are you going. Clued me in your documents. You know what I'm saying so like that that two sides and then and then and then you and then it's like I remember the the pain and hurt in my. I am a my parents. Father 'em grandmothers is when I got so disillusioned early on I was just like hey you gonna go vote today and I was like. Oh No oh you know what I'm saying. I was sitting in his traffic. You know what I'm saying. I was like I don't even. I'll know you know what I'm saying. And just like how hard they fought just for me to have the right to do it. You know what I'm saying like me be like dog. I can't but yeah just that that like the how hard they fought for me to be able to do that. You know really gave me pause but it's still yet as saying frustration. Asian wears just like I just these people don't love us and we just will never know unless it's like expedient for them you know that if you pass a civil rights laws like Oh if you really like meat. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah and it's that's that's that's where LBJ finds himself in his. He's a guy who's racist and he's willing to Kowtow to racist he's also not so racist that he's unwilling to push for progress when he thinks it advantages him electoral pragmatic exam. That's a fair way to refer to Lyndon Baines Anes Johnson and I'm GonNa read a quote from black against empire again kind of describing how this all comes to a head at the Democratic Party State Convention in Jackson Mississippi in nineteen sixty four quote the MVP held a state convention in Jackson in early August selected sixty eight delegates to attend the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Atlantic City. New Jersey President Johnson was determined to maintain white southern support and work to undermine the MVP on August twelfth. Mississippi's Democratic governor. Paul B Johnson told the all white Dixie crat delegation in that President Johnson had personally promised him not to seat the DP. The president refused to discuss the DP with civil rights leaders and instructed. FBI Director Hoover to monitor the renegade party closely and provide regular updates on its activities to the White House. This is not going to be the last time we hear about she. So yeah basically the M. FDP's goal was to try and make enough noise at this assembly that the credentials committee would have to call a vote about whether to seat the delegation from the MVP at the convention that year and they called a number of people to testify before the committee including a woman named Fannie Lou Hamer Who is a black activist with the student? Nonviolent when Coordinating Committee now. She was fired from her job and beaten in jail by black prisoners who were being ordered by probably under the threat of death from white policemen to attacker so basically she gets thrown in jail for registering people to vote and the cops tell other people who are in prison or jail with like beat the shit out of this lady or I will deal with you and this is what a Fannie Lou Hamer says at the Jackson convention quote. The first Negro began to beat and I was beat until I was exhausted. After the first Negro was exhausted the State Highway patrolman ordered the Second Negro to take the blackjack the second Negro began to beat I began to scream and one white man got up and began into beat me on my head and tell me hush one my white man. My dress had worked up I he walked over and pulled my dress down. Pulled my dress backup all of this on account we wanted to register Mr to become first class citizens and if the Freedom Democratic Party is not seated now I question America. I just this onion of pain every time and more you dig out the happened. Yeah you know what's not not an onion of pain cheese most likely the other. That's about to be advertised. Save me from running yards random things usually. It's another pod Yup or the coke brothers or let's hope it's an oil refining its finer. 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Lean special edition smart bed during the January sale. Only at a sleep number store or sleepnumber dot com slash iheart. That's sleepnumber dot com slash IHEART sleepnumber number the official sleep and wellness partner of the NFL. We're back so we just talked about. We just talked about Fannie. Hamer and her her speech at the Mississippi Democratic Conference and it caused enough of an uproar and it gained enough national sympathy because it was televised that LBJ couldn't couldn't just completely ignore the MFDC. She gets up and kind of POSAD. People's human heartstrings. Like even people most people are pretty racist back then. They're not in human and something like that makes them feel terrible and so they're like yeah maybe we should seat this delegation which. LBJ feels. He can't do because again. He's trying to Kowtow to the racist contention to the Democratic Party. So He's put in this situation where he has to deal with them but he also is not willing to actually deal with them so instead he brings in his vice president. President history's greatest monster Hubert Humphrey and Hubert. Hebrews job is to deal with this problem. which is again? The problem is black people wanting to vote without murder. The problem is the constitution. Anyway on the problem is the constitution that pesky document so Humphry meets with the MVP delegation. And he tells them that they're not going to be seated but that the president is willing to compromise by letting what he called educated professionals from the group one of whom was white sit with the Mississippi delegation at the convention. Humphrey refused to let Mrs Hamer sit with the delegation saying the president will not allow that alliterate woman to speak from the floor of the convention. She so that's yeah. Yeah now the DP to their credit refuses to compromise but that wound up not mattering mattering because this was all a scheme in the first place while they were meeting with Humphrey Lbj had the party announced that the MVP had reached a compromise with the Democratic Party. The whole thing you've been double crossed so he'd put them in that meeting so they wouldn't know that this was going on and then by the time it was announced they have to either spoil the whole convention and the election which obviously matters to them because civil rights is on the docket or like. Just let him get away with this shit So LBJ kind of wins this round Yeah and it sucks but what happened there like the double cross in nineteen sixty four was really widespread knowledge particularly in the black community and infuriated. Many people people who felt the civil rights movement had mainly achieved cosmetic Victories Malcolm X. address these people when he said quote. Now you're facing a situation where young negroes was coming up. They don't WanNa hear that. Turn the other cheek stuff. No there's a new deal coming. There's new thinking coming in there's new strategy coming in. It'll be Molotov cocktails this month. hand-grenades that's next month and something else next month. It'll be ballots or it'll be bullets. It'll be liberty or it will be death the only difference about this kind of death. It'll be reciprocal Yup. Yeah yeah very famous speech very famous quote. Yeah a ballot and bullet speech man. Yeah resonates two-deep yeah it resonates donates and if we're you know they're like obviously the story of The the the white sort of people generally referred to as the founding fathers. Yeah yeah almost. All of them were deeply racist but there is still there. Is this one thing that's really interesting there's the similarity in sort of the language Anyone fighting for what they perceive as liberty tends to us because x's ballot or the bullet speech very similar Nathan Hale's liberty or death speech. Yes really the fascinating to me. Yeah that's a good catch man. You're young man so February Louis. Six nine hundred sixty five. We're going back to Bobby Seale and he'll be pinned down now. I just wanted to give that sort of context of what kind of how frustrating and futile it would have felt to try to do this. Legally respectively by the mainstream attitudes so February sixth nineteen sixty five was a very key day for Bobby Seale and he newton That is the day that Malcolm X. was assassinated by a member of the nation of Islam. This made bobby so angry that he grabbed a bunch of bricks from his mother's garden broke them in half and started tossing them at the cars of any white people who drove by. He vowed vowed to make himself into a mother. Fucking Malcolm X.. Millions of black folks across the country were incensed by Malcolm. X's death and six months after his assassination. The Watts neighborhood out of Los Angeles was host to something. That looks very close to a civil war. The watts riots and riot might even be an unfair term like legally. That's what they were declared. Yeah it was an uprising The most direct cause of this was the mass murder of black people by the LAPD sixty five. Black men had had been murdered by Los Angeles cops from January of nineteen sixty two July of nineteen sixty five an twenty seven cases. The victim was shot in the back. Only one of these murders orders was actually ruled an unjust homicide though and this was a case where two cops were literally playing cops and robbers with real guns and accidentally murdered a Newspaperman. Yeah so on. No no no I was GONNA say I. It's crazy like today's is one of those heavy days. I just left my migrate aunt's house like my grandma. My sister and she was just now right before. I got here talking about the watts riots and like stuff that she's never said we'll 'cause I never never really asked but like you know my my family's been in Los Angeles since the fifties you know what I mean so Y- When she was describing the moment of the the riots she started dropping? These other gyms. Like Hey you know in Jim crow originally from Texas then they moved here said the that. LAPD was like recruiting from like disgruntled like southern wants. Jim Crow ended. They were recruiting these disgruntled. Southern men men that were like frustrated about Jim Crow and wanted to do something about America so they were coming to be a part of law enforcement. So you fill compton watts. La with with these men. Who are mad that Jim crow over to powder keg you? Yeah it's GonNa Explode. Yeah it's going to explode And it does in in during the watts riots the most direct cause of the riot itself. The uprising itself was the traffic. stop of Marquette and Ronald Fry Both men were pulled over by a highway patrol cop and a crowd gathered while they argued with The crowd got very angry when the police started beating. Rena fry their mother with a Black Jack back when she came in to intervene. Start beating this middle aged woman with blackjacks. Basically like a big leather beat. Stick this this is the best way to describe it. Yeah so the watts riots deserving episode of their own for now. What's worth noting is that large numbers of the police would call them rioters? I would prefer to call them. Protesters fired on police helicopters with rifles. Huge numbers of guns were stolen. The police chief compared the violence to Vietnam and so oded black activists on the street who were interviewed by journalist at the time thirty four people most of whom were black. Were killed in the violence in mostly by police. Now all of this the failures failures of conventional politics to provide an effective remedy to racism. The death of Malcolm X.. And the watts riot. All of this helps spurred a massive surge in revolutionary black activism in the United States. It's in the mid nineteen sixties now Huey p Newton and Bobby Seale were already very politically radical When this happened and flirted over the years with a series of different groups including clued in one called the Revolutionary Action Movement Ram argued that black people were a colony Had basically been colonized by American white people and that the struggle for black liberation was part of the global struggle against colonialism which was then happening. You know we're in the post World War Two period all these different colonies around the world are starting to either. Hi there fight for their freedom or protest for it and hueys brother Melvin joined Ram but he was kind of frustrated by the fact that he felt healthy organization preferred posturing intellectual discussion to direct action. He became convinced that none of these ideological organizations could reach black people on the street. Who didn't have a thorough grounding running in political theory? Basically like what you're talking about I agree with but all you're doing this talking and you're talking about theory that's such an intellectual level that you're not able to reach people who who are just like you know living and working as a street level. That aren't academics And Bobby Seale actually joined Ram for awhile but he developed basically the same frustrations that Huey did with them and he wrote about it in his autobiography quote. I've got very frustrated with those cats. I didn't think they were going to do anything. And I became very discouraged about not being able to work with them. They had a Lotta Paranoid hangups and they began to accuse me of things. They had so many bullcrap suspicions. I couldn't deal with them and I broke loose from those cats. I got mad at them. One night and busted down their door. All of them hid behind their damn bets at that point I couldn't deal with him anymore because they wouldn't defend themselves even against one little old me there were four or five of them in the pad but they ran hiding. I just just in respect them anymore. I was thinking to myself later for these dudes. I'm going to find myself a righteous partner to righteously run with see this is terrible but I as right as that is as serious as this moment is. I only hear that in like my dad's friends voices man in house looking for some righteous. Do Yeah Man. He's cats they weren't even back to have loosen. Yeah Dan like dad would say he's like man. I just needed. Look I do run with be real bad like art. Yeah my dad's still like that catch on like what does that mean. Pop Be Selling Split Jack Like what does that mean dad bad anyway. The whole his whole autobiographies written that way. And this way I really enjoy it. Because it's not something I had much exposure to And I I enjoy that that sort of like the language he uses like it a lot. Yeah there's an just do most poetic cadence to it. Yes So the partner partner. That Bobby Seale wound up finding was Huey P Newton. Now the two had known each other for a while and they'd always gotten along but they drifted politically in slightly. Different activists circles But now after the watts riots decided to create a new organization together the Sole Students Advisory Council and they were the only people who created it but they were two of the founding members. Yeah now. They organize protests against the draft for black students because they felt like without being treated equally. They shouldn't be expected to fight for the country and and without consenting to in the same way and they also worked to half black studies courses added to Merritt College curriculum in this last one they were successful he we suggested the group should next get involved in fighting police brutality but before this project could really get off the ground. He and bobby wound up running straight into some police brutality of their own on Thursday Day march seventeenth nineteen sixty six at around nine pm. Bobby and Huey and their friend weasel were hanging out in Berkeley walking to the University of California campus. Bobby was reciting being an anti war poem. He liked uncle. Sammy call me full of Lucifer. They drew a small crowd to themselves. Who urged bobby recited more loudly in a police officer arrived right as is bobby saying out these lines? You school my naive heart to sing red white and Blue Stars and stripes songs. You school my heart to sing red white and Blue Stars and stripes songs into the pledge. Eternal allegiance to all things blue true blue eyed blonde blonde haired white chalk white skin with USA tattooed all over and the officer an off. Duty Cop named George Williamson tried to arrest Bobby for this. His justification was that bobby had been blocking the street. This caused a fistfight which brought in more cops. which led to both bobby and Huey being arrested so from poetry? y'All yeah so artists right right in poems. It's it's interesting like it says a lot about the power of poetry. This scares a cop enough that he has on his off hours to get the country gone. Yeah Yeah so next. According to the book Black Against Empire quote a a few weeks later Newton and seale saw policemen pushing around a black man for no apparent reason. The officer arrested the man and took him to the station following conference example Newton and Seale went to the station bailed out it using money from their organizations treasury. The brothers started to cry and it touched bobby deeply. Bobby was fed up with armchair intellectualize and wanted to stand up against the police recalling. I was filled with with a staunch belief of the need for Brotherhood revolution and rebellion against the racist system. So it was Huey who first suggested that the SAC member should arm themselves. elves with rifles and shotguns and host an armed rally for Malcolm X's birthday the guns were explicitly to honor Malcolm XS call black people to engage in armed self defense and Bobby Seale would write in his autobiography quote. He was running down. The law says every man has the right to arm himself by the Second Amendment of the Jive ass constitution itution of the United States. He says that we are going to exhaust that. Because in the end the man will say we don't have a second amendment of the Constitution. So Huey saying that like we should arm ourselves in protest because we have the right to do that but also they're going to strip us of our right to carry guns well history. Be Rhyming Dog. It was brilliant like I know the word is so it's such a pregnant word but just like the CO opting of language that you oh you same thing Frederick. Douglass did with his fourth of July speech of like a homey. You said you built this thing for liberty and freedom and I. This ain't my celebration. I don't know what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying that he was like these are your words. You said that film this started this nation because it is like okay. Now those your words you said all men are created equal. And they're right here. Every man has a right to bear arms. Yes would you say I mean what am I a Martian like I've right arms uh-huh yeah yeah. Yeah and he. We thought that the presence of firearms would also help to draw in the people. He called the brothers on the block. more but then you know waving protest signs and placards because a lot of those guys weren't involved with like different gangs and stuff and they understood guns in they weren't political theorize irs and he was like like this is something that I think I can get him on board with the other members of the SAC. Thought this was too risky. Bobby Seale was the only person who backed hueys plan So Oh he and Huey quit the SAC formed a new organization. The Black Panther Party for self defense in October of nineteen sixty six and during his studies. We had done research into the state of California's laws and he'd learned that it was actually legal for Californians to openly carry firearms in public. Even loaded ones provided those weapons were not pointed at anyone in a threatening manner. And it's interesting when you read modern stories about this but like mainstream news sources like the Chicago Tribune the always say it was a loophole in the law. It's not a loophole. Just legally the law the law. He didn't find a loophole. This is the law says the law. This is me in my hands up as if I'm holding an actual paper that's the law. Now this was not entirely hueys idea. He'd also read read about the actions of a group called the community alert patrol or cap over in the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles after the uprising cap had been formed to watch police in black neighborhoods and caps APPs. Efforts were incredibly important. But they're activists were often victimized and abused by the LAPD and some of them had started talking about carrying guns during their patrols. So as the Black Panthers came together plan evolved. He decided that the panthers would organize armed patrols to follow police officers around and observe them. During traffic stops the new black panthers. We started doing justice in February of nineteen sixty seven. A group of them including Newton and Seale were stopped in a car loaded down with rifles and handguns. And I'm going to quote now from great article article in the Atlantic titled the Secret History of guns quote. One officer ask to see the guns Newton refused. I don't have to give you anything but my identification name and address S.. He insisted this too he had learned in law school. Who the hell do you think you are an officer responded? Who in the hell do you think you are? Newton replied indignantly. He told the officer that he and his friends. He's had a legal right to have their firearms. Dude got out of the car still holding his rifle. What are you going to do with that gun asked one of the policemen? What are you going to do with your gun? Newton applied by this time. The scene drawn a crowd of onlookers officer told the bystanders to move on but Newton shouted at them to stay California law he yelled gave civilians a right to observe a police officer making an arrest so long as they didn't interfere. Newton played it up for the crowd in a loud voice. He told the police officers. If you try to shoot at me or if you try to take this gun I'm going to shoot back at you swine. which is ball's on him? I wonder why on everybody's t shirts rapid to modify modify God damn right because it's like he's like straight up. I mean I love that. You're painting the picture of the totality of the cultural moment. A lot of times we see history is like these like single file line events that aren't like interact all living the same moment just like now. You know what I'm saying so we put all those moments together like nothing. I mean I grew up in. I'm I'm La an eight hundred ninety. s I'm like you don't talk to police like that job saying do you feel like we. Do you know the streets. We was a gang injunctions. Like you won't talk to police right. That type alike. Is My rights like this. This is amazing. I mean Ayatollah White Guy so I have a certain degree of police shield and I would be terrified of talking like yeah so fucking incredibly he bobby and their comrades were allowed to continue on without arrest just because they hadn't broken the law the theft everyone in the car and all of the onlookers who'd gathered to watch the altercation stunned as we're stood Yes talking about it today. It's it's just hard to imagine even in twenty twenty this happening without bloodshed. Yeah so the whole event made bobby. Bobby Seale decide that Huey P Newton was in his words the baddest motherfucker in the world. It convinced Huey of something important to the gun is where it's at an about and and in yes yeah so. This spreads through the community like wildfire and young men begin joining the Black Panthers. In droves their armed patrols of the the police become a regular thing and they have a lot of strict rules about this. You never supposed to be closer than ten feet to the officer of the person being stopped. You have law books on you at the time. You're quoting quoting directly from them like they're not just like like there to intimidate the police. They're there to give information on rights to the person being stopped Yeah and so yeah. Whenever a black person was stopped by the police observing panthers would both be an armed presence there and would be providing legal advice And as their notoriety spread so too did the black panthers all across the country and firearms worry. Central Facet of their identity from the beginning new recruits were taught. The gun is the only thing thing that will free us. The group purchased rifles by selling copies of Mao. Zedong's Little Red Book to students in Berkeley. Over the years. There are some grew to include machine guns as well as tens of thousands of rounds. Sounds of ammunition new recruits receive training on Black Nationalism Socialism. And how to clean handle in use firearms. It's also worth noting during this period that we talk doc in my audiobook the war on everyone We talk a bit about how. KKK groups white supremacist. Groups are easily able to buy and smuggle machine guns. This and other military grade weaponry from the army from like racists in the army at this point and the Black Panthers do the same thing from black people in the army. Yeah like. They're getting machine guns and weaponry directly. Say I probably wouldn't share this but I'm going to all truly your followers but like I just found this out on Thanksgiving that like my uncle. Charles rose was like doing that like he was like. He's like selling first of all he was like. He said he was selling like he was selling like engine parts in like Munich. When he was hit really dislike to civilians part I just like SELA SELA goes out of San Francisco Alkyl Charles I was like what he's I? Yeah he got I discharge. Because he was selling weapons. Sorry sorry to any listening statutes over. It's it's a situation where there's a lot going on here. But both the panthers in the K. K. K. not that there's any moral equivalency between the groups but they both suspect that a massive civil war is coming either. It's going to break out or the the bombs are going to fall in the wake of the nuclear apocalypse. There's going to be fighting between You know like racists non-racist your black and white depending on your perspective and so there's there's this belief that like. We are arming ourselves for a war of survival and considering there are thousands of heavily armed racist people like Louis Beam who were specifically talking talking about war waging award extermination against America's blacks like. That's not an unreasonable thing to win. Arm Yourself against. Yeah now yeah. That's the part that like I. I really wish people could could like understand like the tone in ir of the moment that this stuff is not imaginary like this is yeah with like elected officials as you know in certain states or just people like Amer just like no our plan is to wipe y'all out. Yeah do you have said Oh. You're not you're not like not like ambiguously Isley Racist Kind Nazi light you know what I'm saying it's like now we're trying to wipe out. Yeah Yeah and you. It's like this is something. The thing I come to a lot in the modern day was like you can keep your opinions on on gun control. there's a lot of different attitudes on that. I will listen to them but I I can tell you from experience talking to a lot of people in a lot of parts of the world win someone wants to exterminate you. There's nothing you'd rather have in your hand absolutely again. Like for like the invention of the modern day I say modern with quotes as a historian of CRIP and blood like the invention of the street gang specifically growing up in Los Angeles puts such a different taste in your mouth about guns. That's what I'm saying. So it's like you know so like it's hard for me to like you have my father to have nots. You're talking about your civil right man. He's people vinegar you know what I'm saying. He legged look. Look why do you get you say and then yeah and then you got the streets with. That's like if you pull a gun out. Then that means that like y'all. I'm not a civilian like so so if somebody stops you and it's like hey where are you from saying if I had a weapon on me. It's like Oh oh you signed up for his gang life but if you don't have one it's like man look. I'm a square wave basketball practice with that sort of juxtaposition. It's sometimes it's hard for myself to rain around it. You know what I'm saying but at the same time if knowing the context of these people are living in Syria Monzo. You know what I'm saying like he's people who live in these contexts like not. This is not an option and it is also. Yeah Yeah. It's also like the difference between just individual self defense in this idea which there's a lot of flaws behind a lot of the thinking that occurs in in the United States on this this subject. You can say statistically like actually. You're more likely to be harmed if you have a gun in the home. The difference between that individual self defense and collective self-defense. Yeah eh which is yeah good too deep a subject to really delve into very yes earlier while we're trying to into the pantyhose but you know what's not to deeper subject to Delvin through right now. We go what is the which increases. I'M GONNA do. I'm GONNA do their best setup. 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Reagan was not in any fucking way about to let alone Blackman exercise their right to bear arms and legally observe the police. I shouldn't say black men because they were black women involved at this point to do. The last year of the Black Panther Party was really the ladies because they locked up or killed us. Yeah so yeah yeah. Yeah so oh yeah like the the the the the White Republicans particularly WHO governed state although? It's not like the White Democrats in the state provided in the opposition to this Decide that action needs to be taken And the guy to do this was should heal named Don Mulford. What's your shit? He'll I love it. I gotTa tell you is another digression. I feel like I don't know nobody cusses. More poetically than black people are old black man. No way causes more poetic Wittig the him but the most creative in innovative things to call someone come out of the mouth of middle aged white men. They don't know anyone. That's buck tarred tell you shit stick like what ask given. Yeah Yeah Shaimaa see. That's what this is. Why intersection import us? In the best way to cuss multiculturalism not coach. Elizabeth really improves the use of obscenities. Yes critical yes so yeah Don Model Don Mulford Mulford offered was the community assemblyman for Oakland in April of nineteen sixty seven. He proposed the Mulford. ACT A bill that would strip Californians of their right to carry firearms in public. The M- offered act was a pure act of legal targeting against the Black Panthers. I'm going to quote again from that. Atlantic article what Republicans California eagerly supported increased gun. Control Governor Oregan told reporters that afternoon that he saw no reason. Why on the street? Today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons. He called guns a ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of goodwill will you read that's Republicans. Now tell that to a cop right so funny to me. I'm just like okay yacht. Yeah Yeah no not even thirty years ago thirty years ago three or four years ago you sand literally the opposite of what you're saying. Yeah yeah in a in a later. Press Conference Reagan's Reagan says He. He doesn't know of any sportsman who leaves home with a gun to go out into the field or two hundred for target shooting who carries that gun loaded and he says the Mulford Act should work no hardship upon on the honest citizen and of course the NRA completely backs the Mulford no problem with it at all all onboard. This appreciate that appreciate you take a second to appreciate that. Somebody dropped some like some like SPA music right now to appreciate Dan. I was for gun control to make sure you can't carry a loaded weapon to find your palm. I don't know I just thought like squad. You think you know what I'm talking about. That's the best part you exactly. It'll anyway. So Huey Huey furious about this. But he's not surprised as I read that quote from an earlier heat immediately predicted. This is going to happen once we start doing this carries out a protest He organizes a group of panthers armed to the Gills to go march on the Capital Building in Sacramento Twenty. Four men and six women showed up led by Bobby Abby seal they walked up the Capitol steps guns in hand and Bobby read a speech quote. The American people in general in the black people in particular must take careful note of the racist California legislature aimed at keeping black people disarmed and powerless. Black people have begged prayed petitioned demonstrated and everything else to get the racist power structure of America Right. The wrongs owns which had been perpetrated against black people. The time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late after this seal and the others went inside the building bearing loaded firearms the Capitol building. And they were allowed to do this because they were abiding by the law entirely in the day proceeded peacefully and before we move on. I think it's worth worth dedicating a little bit of time to how the mainstream media covered all this and the short of it is they were not fans of the panthers. Really The New York Times is coverage of the event which I can only read in my old timey white man voice. Let's go. I'm negroes protest gun bill. Sorry in response to that. Yeah I did find some credit to the New York Times a Modern Day New York Times article that quotes Jane Rhodes which is very like admitting like we fucked up and we're very unfair in our coverage and it quotes. Jane Rhodes Professor of African American Studies. Daddy's assaying the newspaper was dubious and skeptical of them. It also gave them a tremendous amount of coverage. The media like most of white America was deeply frightened by their aggressive and assertive style of protests. And they were offended by it and that October Two Thousand Sixteen Times article I found analyzing this by Giovanni Rosenello leans into acknowledging how unfair the coverage was and and he writes about the Times is first articles on the Black Panthers what the article did not explicitly say. Though it was reported later by others was at the panthers had read a statement that afternoon calling upon the American can people in general not just African Americans to help them in their push for rights the time since its own reporter a few days later to write a profile of Mr Newton. The party's young co-founder that article. Cool was no more measured than the first. It barely mentioned police brutality instead lavishing attention on the fact the panthers had weapons political power comes through the barrel of a gun. Newton was quoted as saying being so the journalists who cover this ignore police brutality. Nor that like there's a self defense of here. What do you expect us to do when we're being shot? Yeah that's one of our rights. Our nation's founded on the idea that that human beings can arm themselves in self defense. Yeah that's what we're doing. They ignore that if they're looking at these black men carrying guns. Oh God yeah so on July Twenty sixth the racist California legislature passed the Mulford Act with the NRA's in our as enthusiastic approval and governor. Ronald Reagan signed it into law so the Black Panthers were thwarted at least in the state of California from carrying out armed patrols any longer but the organization continued to grow spreading across the country and drawing in thousands upon thousands of members. And as the group grew Huey and Bobby and the other leaders expanded the sort of things the Black Panthers I did. It was not enough to just advocate armed protests in police patrols. They needed to mobilize their community in that. They felt meant helping their community. In the early years the Black Panthers developed a concept they called revolutionary intercommunal which something I really think the modern day left needs to kitted shit together. Oh my God if you it. PBS describes this as the strategy of building community service programs or survival programs programs meant to develop positive institutions within the community to help individuals meet their needs. The panthers developed over sixty such community programs now. These communities survival programs ranged changed from the People's Free Shoe and clothing program to the free plumbing and maintenance program to the free pest control program to the sickle cell. Anemia Research Foundation and the People's free ambulance service will the news breathlessly covered. The panthers armed marches in their confrontations with police. The ignored most of these other programs. One member later a guy named Roger Smith said this yes. You don't read about the survival programs we're doing for the people the Free Children's breakfast program trying to feed some of these hungry kids before they go to school in the morning the educational programs we had going on on for these kids for the older folks as well. You don't read about that. The Shoe giveaway the clothing giveaway the Cote giveaway. We had going on back east so these people don't freeze death during the winter months. The Free Prison Bussing Program Rebuffs People from the community out to the prison the penitentiary so that people can visit their loved ones who are incarcerated. You don't read about that. You don't read about the free ambulance service that we had going on in Winston Salem North Carolina our Alina because black people in Winston Salem Carolina were denied basic emergency healthcare. You don't read about that you don't read about the free sickle cell. Anemia testing program. We tested over five hundred thousand than half a million people before the US government ever realized that sickle cell. Anemia was a threat to the wellbeing of black people in America. You don't read about that. Why because there's no sensationalism awesome there no dramatic value? It doesn't sell newspapers. It doesn't boost the television ratings. It's just some black people getting organized to help some other black people. Yeah that's that's so that's the panthers I know. Yeah you know the like which I mentioned at the top of the show. That's what my father was. Part of the after school tutoring program so like I just know them as people have fed us in the morning. I mean obviously not US cause I wasn't around then but like fed kids in the morning warning help them with their homework after school and the attitude even to this day was like you can't look out Kelly for a handout from your oppressor like these people have gone help you. You know what I'm saying like. Why would you take the money? Why would you take services because they these take your press? There's no serious you have said so. Like that was always his attitude. He was like man. Find it on your own men don't don't the UK. Oh these people. I find it only take care of your own. That was always attitude. Yup Yeah that makes a ton of sense Motoko Lake Roku. There's there's a few hundred like leftover things where just generational speaking there's like we still have a generation like like gap. Like you know when when I started doing music full time like the label. I was a part of was like one of my best friends. And you know he's White Dude Right so my dad. I still had this like I like I like that boy but you know you you gotTa Watch them white men now seriously. Okay pop okay. I mean I get it with but like I'll be the reds high school. You know what I'm saying like I think we're good you know but but still he still has a little bit of that. I mean he's definitely not the same any was we still. Has that like how you know you. GotTa you gotTa Watch them saying not really take care of you know I mean. It's it's not unfair. Yeah not unreasonable. Considering like yeah the time and place yeah experiences he had And I think like you have to open the story of the Black Panthers by talking about armed self defense the guns because that is how it really started. I do think even even a lot of people on the left who admire particularly white people enough to admire the panthers. They focus a lot on that part because it is again the Mo- and not enough on what really is the most revolutionary part of the panthers. Which is the survival program? Yeah the the. I don't know if the book got into it that Orme we'll get to a later but just the actual like provable. Success rate you know what I mean like the yeah movable results like this actually worked you know what I mean. Blood testing half a million KOMO news lack people sickle cell. Anemia for the government. Realizes it's a problem for black like. Yeah that's huge. That's an enormous effort. Yeah that's like a state level effort. Yeah that is. It's all community volunteer driven. It's now by some accounts. The most influential of the survival programs was the free breakfast for Children Program While all students were guaranteed a free lunch was part of their public education in nineteen sixty seven the US government spent only six hundred thousand dollars a year on breakfast for students. The Black Panthers saw this whole the social safety net and realized it was harming black children more than any other group in the country and so they took action to fix this now the communities in which they provided free breakfast for children. We're not all instantly. Currently on board the Black Panthers were a Revolutionary Organization famous for Confronting Police with firearms. People like minister bridges of the Saint Augustine Church in Oakland were initially suspicious when the a group asked to start meeting a distributing breakfast there but gradually the panthers won them over in. The community rallied to provide them with donations of grits eggs toast and milk to feed hungry school children much. The food was donated by local businesses from a mix of altruism and fear of social reprisals by the Black Panthers. And I'm going to vote from Black Against Empire again at times the Panthers Cajoling Bowling Blended into harassment and strong arming far. More common. Where boycotts and pickets of businesses that refused to assist the programs equally common tactic of calling out publicly shaming those who refuse to help churches and other community based organizations that refused to help notably those who refused to sponsor or allow breakfast programs on their premises face similar treatment for starters the Panther newsletter and Panther representative presentative railed against the non supportive business person or community leader as a capitalist pig other epithets included religious hypocrites lying preachers and merchants and avaricious businessmen German Dang cancer dykes since yeah? I'm back tearing. I you know. It's I think that's perfectly quickly fair because the ultimate goal here is to get kids food. And you've got you've got plenty of extra food like why are these kids starving in the morning. Yeah and then you probably complaining about them. I'm saying yeah you know. Run A yo streets. It's like well they're hungry and you can. Yes that yeah. Yeah now. The Free Breakfast program itself was a mix of pure altruism truism poor kids needing good food and also clever propaganda. The program highlighted the fact that the richest nation on earth then waging a brutal inexpensive war in Vietnam could not provide Ada simple breakfast for all of its children the leadership of the panthers who suspected or outright hoped in some cases that they might one day wind up an armed revolutionary struggle with the. US government knew there. There was a tactical benefit in winning hearts and minds this way. One of them noted while we might not need their direct assistance in waging armed revolution. We were hedging our bets that if we did they would respond more or favorably to a group of people looking at their children's welfare. Yeah Yeah In November nineteen sixty nine the Black Panthers announced that their program had spread to twenty three cities and distributed free breakfast to more than twenty thousand children that number wound up. Being more like fifty thousand minimum the law took notice in Baltimore. Police called this program affront for Indoctrinating Children Panther propaganda. She responded has only law enforcement. Kim and I'm going to quote again from Black Against Empire. Police federal agents is regularly harassed and intimidated program participants supporters and party workers and sought to scare away donors and organizations that house the programs like churches and community centers Safa Bukhari's discover that participation in one of the Harlem free breakfast programs fell off after the police spread a false rumor among black parents that the children were being fed poisoned food. Disinformation campaign pain in Richmond. California suggested the party used free breakfast for Children Program to spread racism and foment school riots student. Participation began to decline forcing local panther leaders to to combat the official disinformation. The police were not above rating breakfast program locations. Even while the children were eating in the Baltimore Panther Branch was comparatively small but as Judson L. Jeffries demonstrates the branch endured excessive amount of violent repression. And not even children were spared harassment by the police one morning. The Baltimore police disrupted the children's breakfast barging menacingly. Interestingly onto the premise a witness recalled they walked around with their guns drawn and looked real mean. The children felt terrorized by the police. The police were like gangsters and thugs. Day Yeah just getting breakfast. Homey just trying to feed his brush. I A- breakfast. Yeah while now of conventionally. The state decided that the danger of this propaganda of the deed as I think Kuhnen would've called. It was so great that the only reasonable response was to start providing American children with free breakfasts by Nineteen seventy-two the US government free. Breakfast program had reached more than one. Point eight million children. The massive upswing funding for this program proceeded directly reckless from Panther activism. Norma to make a former Panther said this in an interview with eater dot com. I really do believe that. The government expanded their program. Because of the work we were doing. I don't don't think the government wanted to be outdone by a community based organization especially the panthers. I really think we were very instrumental in school. Food Programming Joe. I'm positive positive. That's what happened. Yeah Hey man what do we as like. Hey guys or these these the poor three fifths of a human people out humanizing us like what are we doing. And it's it's remarkable the amount of fear that was generated by the Panther Breakfast program and in some cases it was more than the fear. They had as result of the armed confrontations by the pants. Yeah evidence of this put an ideas in their brains and getting ideas and the all skull. They don't need the government at all in San else. We should've never gave him no money. sorry on May Twenty Seventh Nineteen Sixty Nine J. Edgar Hoover director of the FBI and gigantic piece of Shit and wrote this memo one of our primary aims in counterintelligence as it concerns the Black Panther Party is to keep this group isolated from the moderate black and white community which may support it. This is most emphatically pointed out in their breakfast for Children Program where they're actively soliciting and receiving support from uninformed whites and moderate blacks. So yeah as crazy. I like. They immediately assume they're uninformed yeah it's like. Oh you must not know what they're doing. I know what they're doing. They're they're feeding our kids. The kids being kids. Will you know they're socialist. Will Socialist mean means. Socialism means. My Kid doesn't start. Maybe like socialism thing. I can't pay for this. y'All not helping me get it. Yeah so you caught him whatever they want. Whatever whatever you own breakfast my children yeah but you know it? It says a lot about the state of the government what about the nature of capitalism about the nature of law enforcement that the free breakfast program was one of the things that scared the FBI director the most yeah and in part heart to we're going to talk about J Edgar Hoover's plan in the nationwide law enforcement campaign to take down the Black Panthers for you guys nice to learn this stuff. Yeah so this is a behind the behind the bastards episode. We're not talking mostly about bastards in this one but you need the setup to really understand how shitty the bastards are car yeah love it so prop yes in the end of part one you WANNA drop a couple of plugs at the end and we will sail out until Thursday. Oh my God bad yeah so. Website is prop hip hop which is also all of my sort of social media handles proper pop That's for tour dates. Waits for my own podcast again. Call politics believe politics is just gang banging in Nice suits so we just kinda like explain your headlines. Justin gang terms terms to help you understand what's going on and Yeah and yeah just hit me on the website and in the SOC meets prophet up yet and I'm sure folks who are listening who are really knowledgeable of the panthers notice. There's some crucial stuff. We left out from this period We we haven't talked about Some important figures we haven't talked about like the ten point program program. We're going to get to a lot of that in part to. It's kind of impossible to like. Do this all chronologically. I just kind of had to set it up the way I was prepared to before you ask House prepared to have like mercy for you because it's such a big thing you know what I'm saying and it's like I'm pretty sure there's other episodes where there were other people that are like grossly well familiar with like whatever you WanNa talk about it. I didn't know about you know what I'm saying. So like like like the art Kelly episode. I was like grow up on Ninety Zombie. You're not going to know some not cut things is that I know anyway so I was prepared to give you a so. I'm telling I'll listen to cut some slack. Dag like you're saying Kay cover everything thicke. Yeah and we'll we'll get to. I think a lot of it In part to You know as much as possible. Eleven thousand words and two hours and change aged yes sir but That's going to be on Thursday You can find all the sources for this a behind the bastards dot com. 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