The Recent Revival of Astrology in Romania
<hes> <hes> hi my name is chris brennan and this is episode two hundred nineteen of the astrology podcast in this episode. I'm going to be talking about the revival of astrology in romania mania over the course of the past thirty years so in june of two thousand nineteen just a couple of months ago. I traveled to romania from june sixth through the tenth to attend and speak at an astrology conference that was being hosted there by the romanian astrologers association so unseen ninth i conducted several interviews and some of the interviews with some younger astrologers i already published and released in episode two hundred and thirteen of the astrology podcast but that day i also conducted some interviews with the founders of the astrological organization there and two of those i'm releasing leasing in this episode of the astrology podcast so the first interview was with furious <unk> cr new and the second was with manila diku so one of the things that i learned about during my trip to romania was the recent revival of strategy over the past thirty years after through the revolution that took place in nineteen eighty nine and that's kind of the focus or a large part of the focus of this episode of these two interviews them about to present so what happened is that while there were a few astrology books published in romania in the early twentieth century right around the time that astrology was being revived lived in other western countries after a long slumber of a few centuries after it fell out of sort of intellectual usage after the renaissance san's so although there were some books published in romanian the early twentieth century after world war two romania was taken over by the communists of course and and during that time astrology became outlawed and was no longer permissible and part of the background behind that is that in the soviet union they promoted atheism and were generally against religions and religious practices in general and astrology was classified as a form of divination or a sort of superstition or pseudoscience and therefore was generally prohibited in the different soviet bloc countries of eastern bloc countries which included romania so evidently romania from what i was told was one of the countries where the suppression of astrology was the worst east or was in some instances the most extreme and astrologers were not only prohibited from practising or studying the subject but also astrology books were burned and prohibited in general so despite that there was still some astrologers who studied the subject private lee to whatever extent they could occasionally they would come across astrology books that had survived the suppression and would do what they could to study the subject. The given those circumstances then in nineteen eighty nine there was a revolution and the communist government was overthrown and then as a result of that during the course of the nineteen nineties astrology started to have a revival and it was suddenly permissible again and to study and practice the subject so the two people i interviewed were to the people that were in the first generation of astrologers who were studying and practicing and promoting promoting the subject of astrology and publicly after the revolution took place and they helped to set up certification programs for the subject and they helped to make it an actual occupation that was recognized by the government and in two thousand four they created the romanian astrologers association association in order to help promote astrology to help translate different astrological texts into romanian publish them and also to host astrology a._g. Conferences so they currently host to astrology conferences each year in romania so i wanted to interview both both of these astrologers in order to help documents some of this history because astrology goes through phases of acceptable nece in different societies periodically radically over time and it's important to remember and recognize those who have helped astrology to survive and to revive itself periodically even during the hardest times so i did want to say thank you to carmelina for her translation and transcription services mrs she both helped me to translate the interviews that day on june ninth when i was doing these interviews and she also helped me to translate them and do the transcripts that were used that will be on the astrology podcast website and they'll be used in the subtitles for video version of this episode. I decided to go with subtitles which you can turn on. If you're watching the video version by clicking the closed captioning button and then we will have some specific tran. They'll be a good translation of what said because i wanted to preserve both the original statements that were made in romanian as interviews but i also wanted to the have the subtitles of course for the english speaking listeners who are watching this episode in the audio version. I also wanted to thank another friends named adrian tarkhan for his help in translating the audio versions of this episode where we had some two people read the transcript script translation that carmelina had made in order to have just a purely audio version of this episode that you can listen to on the astrology podcast website so so finally thanks to the romanian astrologers association for hosting me and for all of the great work that they're doing. There's a lot of great people in that organization that made my trip to romania great and are just doing really fabulous work in their country and bringing astrology back after it was suppressed for so many decades so with without introduction to the way. Let's begin with the interviews. Hi thank you for joining me today. What is your name featured. No that's more difficult to pronounce in english but it is what it is and how old are you and do you share the details of your birth chart. I was born on sixteenth february nineteen sixty eighty two and in my chart i have a great number of planets and aquarius and in the eleventh house that endows with lava banerjee but clearly in the area this aquarius is responsible for and i'm happy about that i jokingly call the two bucket full of planets but it helps a great deal however uh i don't have any trying sex styles just an amazing stallion mars and saturn also there in accordance with mercury between them mm-hmm ending the opposite side notable ax is also aquarius leo handier analysis there the ruler of astrology in the fifth house of of which is also education so naturally. I was somewhat push to teach astrology. Aries rising provides the necessary energy to put any project project into practice before you were an astrologer. What is your primary profession or what was your educational background. I'm a math teacher. I attended babushka university inclusion which is considered by some the strongest university in romania had was a math teacher for over twenty twenty years than i gave up the education system to dedicate myself solely to astrology to assert eric sciences neurology a. and so on so i'm learning about the history of astrology in romania and i was wondering if you could explain a little bit about astrology being suppressed and how you found it during that time and how you eventually ended up becoming an astrologer during the communist era so before the revolution in nineteen eighty nine astrology was forbidden in romania even though other countries were who were also communist allow allow this strategy to exist in many was not not such a thing so it was just difficult as you couldn't even own books state security police militia which was the police denomination backed them would perform searches. Take the books on a strategy you're or out there is a tactic topics. They burn them and the owner could even go to prison. However in nineteen eighty five i found in the attic of of a friend's house with very well hidden some books on esoteric topics including astrology. I couldn't say that i already learn strategy did them but at least the spark was ignited out of curiosity i would go through those books and because i insisted he eventually gifted send me. One of those books have to revolution. I knew enough the straw legit to come forward. I was among the first who write text on various magazines scenes and i tried to make collagen more popular. Obviously romanians had no idea even what their son son sign was not even even what does zodiac signs were. They knew nothing next to nothing about astrology because they had been cut off from this science for so long and at first it wasn't easy especially due to dialectical materialism which was typical of communist thinking people people used for us to look down on to mock those were involved in esoteric sciences metaphysics astrology and so on i didn't cave in i moved forward and i was convinced that what i was doing was amazing and step by step is succeeded and today almost every romanian no their son sign almost every t._v. Station has their horoscopes action. The commercial one hannah magazine people are already used to it. It was difficult in the beginning until they become accustomed but now they are accustomed and we can carry on with our activities slowly politicians and the those who were involved in writing the officiant classification gatien of economic activities in romania to strategy into consideration and officially recognized it as an occupation. It is not a profession just an occupation occupation but we are very happy that we have at least that's the difference between occupations and professions practically non-existent. There is a difference however in regulations because occupation is officially acknowledged. You made received an official certificate but one can't create for instance university university higher studies of astrology not yet but we are patient and working on it after the year two thousand. I personally founded the fidelia strategist strategist cool. It was the first official astrology schooling romania and the soon as we could. We started granting certificates that are officially recognized by the ministry of labor. Romanians can use that to officially perform this profession or occupation. I was happy to have achieved. If that to boast i was the first in many directions in astrology was the first to create the school. The first to issue certificates. I liked liked being the first it's nice and i still have some resources high surely still have much to do and they will do all high plan that when the time comes to be able to create an astrology college you can make sure that i will be attempting to how did you come to create the first certification in program for astrology in romania. We had to wait until the officials created that classification of economic activities in romania so so that the occupation of astrologer would be included in that list so that it exists as soon as it existed officially. Obviously i was waiting for it. I created the project. I submitted the paperwork and so i was the first to be able to offer that nowadays. There are also other offering these certifications. I'm not the only one anymore but i'm happy. The majority are former students of mine so i'm happy for them and thus astrology strategy is developing in romania. It's also interesting as an anecdote. The low stipulated that those wish to offer such a certificate to already. We have a certificate however at the time i did it. Nobody had the certificate but i managed to persuade them that somebody had to break. The ice <music> at somebody needed to be the first and i convinced him. There's sometimes debates and they asked logical community over whether certification is a good idea or a bad idea. How do you feel about certification in astrology at this point clearly. You're more in favor of the idea of certification. So what do you say to those who who are against it. Not all astrologers remain attended my school. Not all of them have a certificate in actuality. Most astrologers were self taught and thus many of them move forward to organize studies in an organized school setting or they stubbornly seek individualism listen. They want to be on their own two feet. Neither one of these options is wrong. The law allows them to activate his astrologers soldiers even without the certification so for now that is a good thing as they don't feel hemmed in but as time passes certification advocation will be required the same happened with the astrologers association. We were a handful of people who collaborated and we got to thinking some astrologers in romanian worldwide are a bit more individualistic each works on their own and usually keep their knowledge to themselves. We thought we could gather all strangers in romania under the same umbrella not for them to be directed or lead but for them to collaborate collaborate so we thought if we the few for five people can cooperate we are certain there are other astrologers in romania eager to collaborate and in this way we created the association we created magazines online or printed and here we are a good number of astrologers corologis who collaborate by exchanging ideas. We learn from each other so it's a great advantage. It's plus you. You are a first generation astrologer but you are not the only astrologer in your family ryan. I was among the first astrologers but once a younger generation appeared. I personally consider than gave myself as an example that the younger generation should decide the fate of association on and off the elders who created the association. We should take a step back. Not everyone from the association from my generation took that step back. I did just so that i could set an example. It's true many interpreted that this step back differently italy has making room for my daughter who is now president of the astrologers association. It's not true. I took that step back before before she became president. People like her. They love her and she became a great trawler through her own studies and not because of her father but through her own studies through her own work which naturally made me very happy she is respected for her own working can talent not for the fact her father founded the association high took a nice step back and i am at their disposal any time to help help and i consider myself fulfilled individual. I considered that what i have done and i am doing in my current position. It's an honor <unk> an brings me joy. So what are the different approaches to astrology in romania or are there different groups or how has astrology grown in developed in romania over the past thirty years in romania. The majority ninety percent of the people use tropical astrology siberia in hindu astrology is used. I very very little there are some astrologers using siberia hindu but very very few so when we talk about astrology in romania we talk about tropical astrology however some cards appeared some prefer hellenistic astrology others modern astrology trollope. How should i say this. My for my company is the largest provider of us logical services in romania. I have a team. I hi can't work by myself. I have a fool team providing these services not just classes but also personalized studies and what i noticed noticed most of us use plazas but where the time is unknown where where a certain type of studies needed we use whole sign houses houses from what i noticed after thousands of saudis based on the feedback from clients i concluded that blasio's provides a greater through degree of a courtesy in describing the person in natal astrology positive feedback is much more numerous than when using whole because of that in my school for instance the house system taught his splatters why because there are some calculations there it's a bit more complex plazas and so better that they learn what is more difficult than then they can decide if they want to move to whole sign houses because it will be much cheesier so even if blessed is the foundation we also present ohio systems not all i mean a few we choose a few how systems including hole so that they can choose afterwards so we grant them the freedom to practice whatever they choose and what suits them one hundred hundred years from now if astrologers are still practicing astrology in romania and it's been around for a century. What would you like them to remember about the past past few decades when it was revived or what should they know in order to understand how it got started again. I would like them to understand and realize allies that we the post revolution generation of astrologers made a huge leap from not knowing astrology from zero we took it to a level they can build on that was our mission to leave the past behind and from zero to take a bit big enough sleep so that they have something to develop on later if there was anybody that had to start over again from scratch like that or if you had an opportunity ability to do it over again. Is there anything that you would do differently. The second time around to such people i will recommend from my own experience begins firstly to have patients then to not give up because of people criticizing them if they feel they have this mission and can have to do this and fill what they do is right then they should do it no matter what a regardless of the obstacles what would i do if they had stocked over. I think i would accelerate. I would do everything foster. I stretch things out over two long time. I i think i would have accelerated that is all do you have any other isa. Teric interests besides astrology. My first interest was numerology. I am a mathematician. It was easier to write my first book on numerology. It was written in nineteen ninety five and published in the same year and there was no series books on numerology in romania so i was a pioneer even there i can say that all nimmer logistics romania for many of learned from me. My astrology book came out only nine hundred ninety nine so later. I was already involved in the strategy but i felt i needed more time together information. I was studying from photocopies or typewritten. Translations of books from abroad sometimes sometimes not even knowing who the author was so i simply learn everything i've got my hands on speaking of numerology and astrology oh gee i strongly recommend that people also study numerology and that they would somehow combine when they have to provide certain services to people. Let's say they need to help someone with advice. They may notice astrology does not suffice just carr's they made notice astrology does not suffice but having them together may bring the answer many times i combine astrology and numerology. I also handle divinatory. Arts is authorised man in general. I teach kabbalah uncle sam. All these is attack. Sciences is are necessary for the astrologer to understand the serology and how planets work eventually. He needs to understand that they don't influence us. It's all about archives archives. Analogies synchronicity is that's what astrology is based on hi. Thank you for joining me today. Hello what is your name. I'm michaela deco okay and you're an astrologer yes. I'm an astrologer. How long have you been studying astrology. I started studying theology allergy nine hundred seventy four. When i was fifteen i started out with general horoscopes and after that i made progress according to what was available okay and where are you from. Originally i am from craiova craiova. The capital of a south western romanian province and romania is in daniel rope former eastern europe former communist bloc. Okay so you're the president of the romanian astrologers association honorary the president okay and when did you start that organization in two thousand and four today june nine two thousand nineteen and mark fifteen years of the court order issued to create the romanian astrologers association right and you founded the organization with the friend right. Yes it had all started a long time before and the bricks were laid progressively into thousand. I founded an astrology discussion group on yahoo groups. This group is called a cubans. It's currently has almost one thousand members. It's not as active as it once. John's was but it used to be very active in the beginning and it was the first online astrology discussion group in romania. We talked a lot about astrology politic end. We formed friendships. It's there. I met a few astrologer colleagues from romania from various cities among which fifty gel jarno. Tom who was located in a certain city then vialed ragu was not actually an astrologer buddy owned an astrology for all all the largest astrology porto at the time and he hired the serology to write pieces for the respective websites and then then there was fueloep laszlo romanian of hungarian origin from transylvania romania and then there was a denman ruta thunnus lasko from eastern romania and there was also rodham. I saw you'll also from transylvania anyway. We all became friends since we started exchanging private messages and talking on the phone and at some point one of the participants said why don't we make make astrology magazine that was adamant roussel so we decided to make an online astrology magazine. This was happening happening in two thousand and two in the beginning of the year. I believe we grouped up. We were probably five six in the beginning and and we published the magazine on the spring equinox in two thousand and two the first issue after two years as of co working on osceola magazine we wrote all the articles week proof-read one another so i- proof-read rituals articles proof-read ides's i._d. Proof-read radu's and so on as a circle so we all did everything for the magazine gene so after two more years idea again said what about creating an association. Let's make an association romanian astrologers the jurors there was none at the time how to create the association. The process of establishing an association was very complicated at the time time is required a big pile of paperwork and the papers needed to be filled and <hes> signed by all the founding members so there was a big fuss about doing paperwork documents needed to be submitted to the court they needed validation by court order and song we had to create bank accounts which needed to be registered with the tax authorities so the recipe to establish blurs such an organization was quite complicated and someone had to do it who will take care of the paperwork. We were all spread out in different cities fif- just said i'll take care of it the very active individual. Hey founded the first astrology school school in romania. He's running astrology business. He's very active but being so active who was also very busy time time. I was working for several glossy magazines that were very trendy back. When ridden press had not collapsed. I worked from home so i could somehow manage my time as i desired at some point feeder joe said i don't have time to take care of it. Mikailah you take it since you are such an entrepreneur so i said what can i do. I'll do it and so for for some weeks. Some months i labored with some paperwork from the first step which was to submit a request of some ministry for the denomination shen approved in bucharest the capital so really it was very very complicated so we reached the moment when the folder ahead all the files and they all needed to be signed how to sign as we are all in different cities so we said here's what we're gonna do. We're going to create a chain. I signed the document. I e mail it to retrial who in turn signs and mails it dorado and rather signs and mails it to i._d. Who signs it and sends it val and so on so that's what we did now. You know that things happen when they happen not necessarily when you want them to. We had this burst of enthusiasm of. Let's do it but because this paperwork process took so long we couldn't choose the day we wanted to make an election chart for the moment element when submitting the papers what i could choose because you now you choose what you can and the charts of the time were pretty agitated. You did perhaps that agitation gave us the push when i put the first signature on the founding document before mailing it i placed i stay ascendant on spike them in my natal chart. The ascendant is near spiker so i thought it would be fine. It work well so we kicked it off anyway. Several weeks later the court order was issued and as i already radim mentioned it was issued on the date of june nine two thousand four later i found out from a court clerk that the order had been validated aided by the president of the court sometime between one and one fifteen pm so we kind of know when it was born. We know the ascendant cendant for sure and that's how we set off. We started promoting the association. People from the cubans discussion group started to subdue subscribe an ear by ear. We started growing. We were established in two thousand four and we were legally bound to hold all the general assembly within a year so in two thousand five in bucharest. We held the members general assembly along with the first congress of the romanian astrologers association. The following year seems i'm from craiova and i have this entrepreneurial spirit. I saw it. What would it be like to organize here. In my own city a second annual event to call it astro festival and heavy astro festival in summer in craiova. My colleagues had already opted that the annual congress along with the general assembly would take place in autumn so i said great we'll have to events and that's how the association has its congress and the fall in bucharest the capital and on us through festival during summer usually in june in craiova in the meantime meantime osceola magazine continued to be published. It's still alive today. It has its own website osler dot our our own. There's also a section in english. If english speaking astrologers want to share some of their knowledge some of their research and and experience and should they wish to publish will be happy to translate. We have a team of translators perhaps oscillates as the association's most important project but also have other projects. We became involved in other things. We have to yearly events in osceola magazine. We have translation project gold strategy where we sometimes translate articles for austin austin magazine in via which we translated two books that were already published by important publishing houses in romania. We started with vivian robson fixed stars and constellations in astrology. Such a book was missing from the market and we we also focused on a work. That would be free of copyright. Why did we do that. It's because the association exists only a member's chris contributions and donations and we generally try to direct the association's funds towards organizing events so that we can organize nuys congresses and astros festivals as great as possible where people come and where we can according to our possibilities bring internationally renowned astrologers that would enrich our knowledge and broaden horizons of romanian astrologers and if if possible to also increase our worldwide not rieti. Could you give me the history of astrology in romania over the past century starting from the beginning of the the twentieth century and how it existed but then it went away and then astrology eventually came back <hes> unfortunately astrology does not have a consistent interdiction in romania it doesn't there are some old chronicles maybe from the eighteenth century at some point they may mentioned asiana star reader who made a prediction for the country's rulers but it was a very brief mention and not very relevant in the early twentieth twenty th century according to my and my colleagues knowledge there were only two astrology books by romanian authors spa <unk> mania before the communist. The era one was a book called stars in glance written by constantine. Those the other was a book written by armand constantinescu. These are two astrology books that stop after some basic notions of astrology. They don't go into into much detail. Let's say on one constantinescu has a sort of manual where he gives examples but here i have to make a distinction russian. The book published before the communists game before world war two is a book that mainly presents zodiac signs signs and where there are maybe two three four charts analyzed however armand constantinescu head a manuscript that couldn't be published during communism and was only published both mortem in the years following the romanian revolution that is a more consistent emmanuel but why did admonish constantinescu his book remained unpublished for so long because during communism astrology was forbidden even in romania same as any other as a tarik science so during the communist era one could not officially access any logical information books were not being published one could not own these books people who own such as tarik astrological literature church were persecuted the few people who were interested in astrology at the time kept their books hidden and there were people like like me who throughout communism although they wear <hes> interested they could not access any astrology ed book and could not contact anyone else interested in astrology astrology was suppressed during that time and it didn't really exist for several several decades but then how did it come back during communism one could not travel one could not exit to country unless visiting sitting the other countries in the eastern bloc there were few people granted travel to the west so one could not bring in information mation want could not reach information <hes> after the revolution of december nine thousand nine hundred nine borders opened up people started traveling. Those passionate about astrology started getting into contact with one another gaining access to information for instance my good childhood friend in nine hundred ninety shortly after the revolution <hes> she went to france and she asked me. What can i get to from france. I said bring me the f. amarah days she said. Are you crazy. Don't you want perfume lipstick doc. No i won. The epa marriage is and that's how i got the f. amarah days because before that i used to work according to a book tell tell me how you got interested in astrology and then how that intersected with the revival of astrology in the nineteen nineties in the spring of nineteen seventy i'm to four. I don't remember the exact month. It may have been march or april or may one of my classmates. The son of some actors from craiova theater came to school with an old book belonging to his gramma. It was the book of armand constantina school. The one published before the war it was love at first sight an attraction. I saw it turns some pages and borrow it. I took a big notebook and i hand copied the entire part with all the characteristics of zodiac signs and that's how everything started from there on. I started to interrogate everyone. I knew about their burst time in order to observe and compare with what i it was reading in the respect of book. The description of the signs was very brief success and pretty pure. I'll looking back on when it now in retrospect but it was the beginning for me. I had no other source. Romania was more french speaking at the time so more of that came into romania. Those books and magazines infringe were more successful and somehow through my mother's friends etc a few match magazines reached me as well body matches the weekly magazine and they had this horoscope section where it was written for instance for biases venus enters your sign so oh you'll feel the need to be more elegant to buy jewelry. You'll be more liked more surrounded by people your love life will go well so i would write that down in my notebook venus in your sign etc or in different issue from another week. Mars enters your signed so be careful. You'll have lots of energy but you may also have conflicts accidents so i would ride ride down in my notebook my senior sign etc and so i started accumulating bits of information which i wrote down and untried to piece together to digest the process and they layered on they gathered little by little so that i could could get an idea about who does what things started to improve when i came to bucharest to go to university as a student i lived in a dorm in student campus. I believe that's what is called and one of my roommates showed up one day with an astrology book. Her aunt brought from france. That book was zodiac but a more complex one where zodiac signs were analyzed in a more profound manner and which also had an extra precious bonus following the description of each sign a table who was the time intervals of the rising signs as well as the description of the sun signs ascendant combo. The book also had a solid for word presenting the characteristics of male female signs cardinal fixed dual signs and also seoul nicely and extensively presenting characteristics of fire air earth water sign traits a great step forward though was taking place when i was a student in my second year say around nine thousand eight hundred ninety one in nine hundred eighty two two or three. I befriended the adoptive daughter of a great neurosurgeon our senator. She has an astrology book also in french ranch titled how to interpret your own chart in ten lessons. I gave her some french magazines and she gave me this book which it was very valuable because it had house tables and also f._m. Riders but what kind of epa maria days he's did it have at the end it have f- meritas of every ten days you can imagine what was happening to the moon or america replacements placements anyway so i was making great efforts to interpolate to make some calculations. Luckily i was studying engineering ring so calculations happened easily converting hex decimal systems decimal systems so that you calculate and interpolate full eight and then turn into degrees minutes really crazy respective book generously addressed planetary traits rates and it's contained the great amount of information so that was a great step forward after having completed my university studies. He's i was assigned to work as an engineer for a company and at the time the renault car company had an office affect ry in craiova tri-oval where french engineers worked and one of those french engineers brought me another astrology book a manual. You can imagine how i used to work the charts using a sad square and <hes> a pencil and everything was calculated by hand and and how it went through great lands with these forest all books until the revolution came when the revolution came. I'm sorry i didn't bring one of these four books or all of them. Their corners are were not there rounded at probably they know all of them by heart for astrology books over the span of so many years after the revolution came borders is opened we had access. My friends started to travel. They brought me books. I i had many colleagues and childhood friends and that had emigrated to the united states so they also sent me books. They helped me a lot myself. Since nineteen nine hundred ninety eight i joined the french-speaking discussion group and later at the end of nineteen ninety nine. I joined the france. France based association said rom who had their own discussion group and my french colleagues helped me they they were very reluctant. At first i had landed there from a former communist country. The french are pretty eledest. They looked as me quite dauntingly but i was very zealous. I would write and reply and little by little they adopted me and they sent me books many any of them and what was extraordinary they send me an audio tape of the workshop presented by robert tanned in paris it it must have been in two thousand and after that i started buying books myself and so they started filing gob ellen black rubber. Schmid's wife helped me. She gifted me the first five volumes of the baidu's violence in single translation and yes. I was held by a lot of people and then when i started you know it was necessary for them to help because after the revolution our income was extremely low our monthly wages were around fifty two hundred u._s. dollars dollars per month. One hundred years dollars was a lot. I could not afford to buy books later on in nine hundred ninety six. I started working with a company. That was the cds. I internet provider. So i was present online. Since the early stages ages over remaining internet and anyway things opened up. I bought many books by myself. I own several hundreds of strategy books at some point really a great number. Many of them i donated because some of them were outdated. They were are no longer useful. I only kept what i deemed valuable but the beginning was very difficult. I was alone and uh i had no one to exchange ideas with. It's really awful to struggle by yourself to have no one to ask for advice my colleagues in france. They were not interested in this. My opinion is that you really need a calling to study astrology otherwise otherwise you can't. It's a vast domain where you only enter. If you're passionate. After the revolution i managed to get into contact act with two older astrologers from my cd. They also had a few books in french. I couldn't previously get in touch touch with them because they were afraid. I was aware that one of them existed. I tried to contact him but it wasn't possible. After wards it was probably the many years of lonely study which caused the hunger and need to create astrology groups took become involved in creating association in sharing with others in the discussion group. Everything i studied i which share with others over the years i probably wrote countless volumes in emails on that group and always as afterwards during congress's during various astrological gatherings. I felt the need to share. What are the four books that you've written. There are two books for the broader audience. Wine is a very complex zodiac and very well received by the public. It's already in its third edition and it's been selling continuously since two thousand seven it first came out in two thousand and seven a book on the planets and asteroids and science which is accessible to the broader public because i included tables where anyone can find out what is there venus mercury moonshine and two books that are more specialized one on on hurry and the other on relationship astrology. I also translated a predictive astrology book from french and i contributed contributed to the translational from english of vivian robson's book on constellations and fixed stars in astrology book which i added notes to and curated i love books and i love working because i have a friend who works in publishing ching house as a hobby i also did proof reading on books translation under a pseudonym and even book editing thank but time does not allow me to get involved however in the process of publishing my books i worked very closely with the publishing house all my books as well as the one i translated and the one translated with my colleagues from the strollers association where printed by a famous romanian publishing house the respective publishing house incurred all costs and they were promoted. It's through a special events and have good visibility. I started teaching the class pretty late. Maybe around two thousand nine or or two thousand ten. I started teaching courses in a classroom in bucharest. There were many years <hes> where i travel oh to bucharest monthly to teach in classroom. I have class modules. I started with a relationship astrology class. Mike courses were generally taught during the weekend saturdays and sundays from ten a._m. To six p._m. With very short breaks aches so today's each and i also had modules on relationship astrology predictive astrology medical astrology -nology electoral strategy horry astrology fixed stars and notes. I had about twelve to fourteen eighteen astrology modules. Actually the books on hurry and relationship astrology are based on are constructed around the class material unreal. I give consultations and i do ever think an astrologer can do. I've been writing incessantly since two thousand and two due since its creation for the austin magazine in the nineteen nineties you first started talking to a lot of astrologers online and then that eventually you started meeting in person with some of the younger generations of astrologers they only meet others trolleys online and don't really know the value. Oh you of meeting up in person so if you had to talk to somebody in order to attempt to explain what the value is of meeting up with other astrologers in person what what would you say the greatest gain when meeting other astrologers in person is that tighter bonds are formed friendships friendships are formed events created and the certain atmosphere is ignited. You enter a sphere where you breathe astrology strategy. The in-person meetings are very valuable but you should know that we collaborated for years without ever meeting in person and it was feasible. Communication is of utmost importance. I believe that's the most important jordan thing is to communicate as much as you can to share opinions to ask to explain to give to the others through are your knowledge to try and organize things those things together even at present way the association we organize things remotely remotely via emails but of course it's always wonderful to be able to meet face to face too big together touch see and and breathe the same air as those you meet online. It's a different feel and it creates an environment that strengthens the bonds even further because i took care of practically stab wishing the association. I was designated as president president in the first term. You're in the following elections. I no longer wish to candidate and then i recommended as he was elected elected my successor don to bottle. He's a well known astrologer in romania and he had the vision that same year during the same general assembly when i said i no longer wished to candidate the members of the association nation decided to grant me the title of honorary president since i was the founding president and had the first term danjabbo entrepot tarot is a very broad visioned stroller. He has jupiter on the ascendant and the chart lord is in sagittarius. He was the one who came up with the idea to invite someone from abroad up to that point we would only meet and organize events amongst each other bought in two thousand eleven. He said let's invite someone from abroad scenes. He had participated the previous year to the great britain astrologers congress where he had met some astrologers so he said let's invite deborah holding so he invited deb and that was the opening the first step towards events where we had topped guests from abroad nicholas campion was next and in two thousand fourteen when the association celebrated its stance birthday we organized is the royal event where we invited deb holding once again. Benjamin dykes each presenting daylong workshops owner dozer from turkey who represents the biggest astrologist school in turkey and who had a half day workshop and my old acquaintance from the forum from the sedra french association the president of sandra maurice chevy from france. It was really great. We had the masked ball. Even at this era themed restaurant with many mirrors beautiful the afterwards we invited astrologers from italy norway spain and this year we had the great joy of heaven chris we had invited him last year but then he couldn't make it we are thrilled <hes> he's here now and we hope to continue like this each guests from abroad and reach us with knowledge and added to our joy and pride and consolidated even further this this romanian astrologers association as well as astrology knowledge in romania so do you have family and if so what do they think about your interest austin astrology. It's a cute story to practice astrology when i became passionate about it that was rare in romania and even exotic. It seemed pretty eccentric. My parents were a bit skeptical. My mother was a teacher my father an economist but eventually as long as they saw i was still grounded and i carried on with my school studies and that the passion for astrology does not negatively influenced my life as they had initially feared then they learn to accept and look kindly upon it. I met my husband in the first year of college so he was there next to me. When i got to hold my first zodiac he was completely against at this is silly. His gemini and i kept telling him look at this person doing that. That is a leo doing that and so on so i was just telling him everything a little later. I surprised him going through the zodiac book. That's as far as my husband implant but he's capable of saying this person looks like scorpio. That's all he knows other than that. He always supported may kansas dude. There were rough times when i was working very hard and he helped me with everything at home in the household so he was a great support for me in my astrology career and one last question. Do you share your birth chart details. Yes what is your birth data and what is your sun moon and rising. I turn sixty this spring. I was born in march fourteen nineteen fifty nine in craiova romania. The maternity records show eight forty five pm. It may be plus. Minus is five minutes of while researching maternity archives to find the data of various people. I realized that during the communist era birth birth times were rounded out so quarter past half past quarter to or the hour therefore it's possible i was born a bit earlier or later maybe later because my mother remembers nine p._m. Nine passed so i'm policies with a liberal rising rising can be anywhere between twenty two twenty three degrees. My moon is in taurus in the eighth. It's a very good mon for night birth. It was this moaned at helped me and supported me a lot took. Ascendant lord venus in areas on the seventh cusp with mercury jupiter is in the third house else mars as into ninth house mercury's expecting everyone good or not so good aspects but regardless louis. The thirst for knowledge is very well mirrored in this natal chart. I always feel like my brain. Cells are sort of like <hes> baby birds in a nest with their beaks open waiting to be continuously nourished. That's what led me to hellenistic mystic astrology. That's what you should ask. How did you become interested in hellenistic astrology or ancient astrology in general being in that group in that french astrologers association said drum. I befriended french astrologers and one of them sent me the audiotape of rober ober tans presentation in paris in two thousand i believe and that was the beginning at that point i had read and gone through every stage of astrology asteroids karmic side and anything you can think of but i felt if i needed more and i need to the more profound knowledge that would somehow meet my cultural needs so to speak academic hamic type of information so i had deeper interests and that workshop of robert hand where he talked about day ain't night concept sect opened up the gate. What followed was a hunger for information on hellenistic astrology. I got it from everywhere i could and of course i started talking about it on the <unk> discussion group where everyone was it was cute because at that time everyone in romania practiced new i just strategy psychological astrology karmic astrology and when i showed up with hellenistic astrology information everyone had something to say luckily because overtime had discussed enough off more than astrology and they knew my astrology knowledge was solid they started paying attention so i started learning and sharing and what i had been studying since the year two thousand in two thousand and four i took part in an esoteric event in the west of the country intimate schwab where there was also an astrologer section and there i started talking about the subdivisions of signs signs terms dodi carter moriah and so on what i got was an internet article by one of my peers saying that some people came to the astrology symposium and tim issoire too serious astrology while others came to look smart smart i wanted to do was share little by lou on the forum. We talked. We wrote articles in australia. One after the other for years during the astro festival i presented hellenistic themed conferences and and little by little people started getting used to the idea. The greatest thing was me starting to teach hellenistic astrology. I forgot to mention it. I teach hellenistic course where a lot of people learn something so in a way the romanian public became gradually willie accustomed to helen is a strategy and a carnation for hellenistic astrology in romania and for classical astrology was the visit of benjamin dykes and chris's visit a both contributed a lot as far as i'm concerned the passion for hellenistic colonist astrology remains alive. I read a lot but i realized that there is so much to learn that it's very likely we we have to keep digging for the rest of our lives. I think that's a perfect stopping point so thank you very much for joining today with great pleasure all right. That's it for this episode of the astrology podcast so <hes> for more information about the romanian astrologers association pleases it a. a. r. dot org dot <unk> r._o. And you can find out more information about the conferences and other events that they organize in romania so thanks to our patrons and sponsors who who support the production of the astrology podcast through our page on patriot dot com that's pretty much the only way that rebel to do episodes like this and in order to fund fund the translation and trips and other things associated with making sort of high production episodes like this in particular. Thank you to patrons christine. The stone who's one of our new patrons who supporting us on the producer tier and also thanked to astro gold astrology app which is available for i phone i._o._s. And android devices. You can find out more information about that at astro gold dot i._o. Thanks also to the portland school of astrology. 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