15. Plays w/ Melanie Tait
This is what shall we do about with Saffir abson. Hello and welcome to. What shall we do about the show that tries to improve the world's less pressing problems? When's the last time you watched? Apply no not a musical but an actual play. I can't remember if I've seen one since. I've seen the drama students from my group in school do they. Based on stage page in front of their scoffing cohort in fact when I think of plays now I think it's something that Oda Affluent Folk Watch for fun shortly. I'm not the only one who thinks this. So what shall we do about plice Ave adine industry. We'll thankfully of track crackdown journalists and broadcast Melanie tight. WHO also happens to be applied ron passionate to see change within the industry? Melanie thanks for body me. Round and Being able to talk with a couple of dogs yeah same. Thank you for coming to in my house. It's my new house. Actually I haven't been long. It's lovely lovely Sydney Day. I'm fascinated by you because I never met a playwright playwright before is that a title co you absolutely lay right. Yeah he's he's the play saying a big industry. Well no no it's not and I came back to it after a very very long time away from it because you know it seemed to me to be such a closed shop shop you know I think that it's really difficult to make a living as a playwright certainly for Australian audiences. I mean I driving pyrites but I guests the really hot fingers I mean professionally speaking. I don't know how many professional data companies there are industry but there's not a lot and they each one about ten is a year and all of that. The Not Australian plays a normal newest dryly implies. I'm in my you know you might be lucky that they put on two or three new Australian plays so basically there's about twelve new strategy implies going on professionally a year and to be one of those people it can be a lucky thing and quite often. It's the same. The people you know that that cycle around and and get commissioned and get programmed. Sorry Yeah it's there's not a lot of us doing it probably not a lot doing doing it professionally. Because it's it's really hard to does that. Make it hard to tour them around if you say if you leave in some way like Hobart vein out of those twelve plays at a commission every how many would come to town. Oh well that's the thing you know some way like Hyderabad is actually a good example High bought the theatre royal. Does there's a lot of touring productions but they've got to have been in one of the major theatre companies I it some- somewhere like somewhere. The body is a really great place to leave to playwright in terms of the space that you have to create and to make something into imagine and you know. It's not as busy as ally here reason. Sydney but on the flip side. You know you're not going to be opening nights at Sydney theatre company Belvoir on symbol and places like that. You don't making the relationships that makes it. Important to get commissioned in the like okay. You're right so you you've been in your in. Your world. Depend journalist broadcast data data playwright as well but I guess coming back to place. How'd you get into writing? I was a playwright. I before I did any. Ross any awesome stuff so I was very. I was twenty twenty one living in London and actually I wanted to be a musical theater star. That was what I had been having in your training from the time I was about thirteen dance lessons all that kind of stuff. I went to London thinking that I would be on the west end and when I got there I was doing all sorts of auditions things that I wasn't really that keen on doing and it just occurred to me one day that I should start my own company and then so I went to do that and I realized that it cost a lot of money to put on a musical so I thought I better write a play so that will raise money. I don't know what I was saying. That will raise money for our Africa company and I wrote a play called the bitch tiles which for some reason really captured the guys and went onto play for seven years in the last two years his of it were on the West End. It was kind of that was my very first real job ever was and I thought that was that was how you do that. Every play was a hit. It was a funny thing so I did that. But something about that. Experience Really Even though it did so well I didn't have any faith myself as a writer. I thought that I had just flicked riding his play. You know I thought it was a fluke that it had done so well and and that it was just a moment in time and all that kind of stuff so when I got back to strike and also the other thing is no If I'm really frank I feel like the the companies from the beginning of time have been pretty much run by men who just went interested in the stories of twenty year old girls. You know what I mean. Twenty one year old girls twenty five year old girls and in fact it's been really interesting to me. The last few years is to see a few people that I came up with Ben Batum for example finally being programmed in the main stages after being around the years and being ignored what fees so instead of sort of cracking at it. I just thought that that meant because no one was interested in developing Mayo programming me. I just thought that that meant that I was crappy writer so Oy I went off and got a traineeship. ABC's rural department as a journalist. And I said with the twelve years I didn't run another play and twelve years. Yeah so part of that story sort of makes me sad because I think all the plays maybe I could have written Had I have had a bit more self confidence about it because my the play that I wrote Be Appleton Ladies Potato Rice which was on the early at Ensemble Theater. And he's going to be touring ring around Australia in two thousand twenty one. It's like thirty cities or something. Yeah come sit in high next year as well and it it makes makes me sad that I didn't create lots of place but also I feel like I had this wonderful second chance at something that I always really wanted to do. That's great so And I think I'd love to know more about your especially the Appleton Ladies Potato Rice because I believe it was kind of inspired by bringing in Robert set up wells yeah. I actually think that I'd be writing that play my entire life without realizing it. Do you know what I mean. So Yeah I'm from Robertson in the southern highlands and anyone who doesn't know about Robertson's a tiny little town the big potato a home of the big potato and when I was growing up it was berry Rural Working Kloss offs. It's now a real mix between People you know like rich. People who've bought femmes as holiday homes and still that that rule working classes is really interesting. Sort of Social stuff going on and a couple of years ago I ah Shoichi. They have this thing called the potato rice. Where you put a thing of potatoes and you back in you run around the oval and I've always wanted to go at Sam like I'm not the fittest person on earth but it's always it'd be a drain and so every year? I'll look on the website and think well this should be the and I noticed. I hadn't noticed it before but I noticed it. This time that the prize money for the men was a thousand thousand dollars in the prize. Money for the women was two hundred dollars and I just couldn't believe that like it was two thousand seventeen o two dozen sixteen to seventeen. I think I just couldn't believe it and I thought five times more for the man. Yeah and get this. The the entire prize pool for the women didn't men's surprise they had prize money up to tenth place women they headed up to replace it was just like gross inequity across the more everywhere and so so I just I thought I'll I'll raise the difference with my friends and I'll probably be a feminist hero in Robertson and that'll be the end of it you know. Oh sorry and Anyway I started to do this and it just caused an absolute cultural meltdown. In the town it was really like my parents are in the general store. They liked the idea. It's like an ideal supermarket. Say everyone and everyone knows everybody in that town and Mom would call me crying saying I can't defend you anymore. You shouldn't have done this stupid bubble because you'd have people coming in old so it was really divided like obviously a lot of people thought. Yeah yeah this is ridiculous that the prize money that but a lot of people didn't and cable warriors and all that kind of stuff so it became pretty awful and around that time that it all sort of went down my longtime best friend and creative collaborator Priscilla Jackman. WHO's a director a theater director? She just finished his Charlotte Sydney Theatre Company at the time and she was going around pitching shows too thin is and she said she always comes to me for. ID's applies. I think she's to heart that I'd write one in but I never had the guts and these pitching meeting tomorrow and I said Yep. I recommend that just happened to me with a potato rice with my play. We you know we could do it. We could have say five women. And we could you know I sort of thought it was about gentrification versus all this new feminism versus the opposite opposite of feminism. You know all that kind of stuff this patriarchy all that stuff and she said okay. Go right up a a pitch so I went to a cafe in Hobart and I wrote up pitched the characters came to me very quickly. She pitched it to Ensemble Ensemble Theater. They asked me to write a few scenes and are at full saints for it. And that commissioned it for this season the next year could it in this season so we had to get it done and then you know we put it on and it was a it sold out. We opened at did well critically it was a real drain. Like I couldn't have dreamt for any better than it did. Have you performed it in Robertson yet. And I'd love to include a a lot of people from Robertson came and really loved it because the thing is like it's it's not like I remember my father when he was very bitter and angry angry about it Sam like it was actually one of those about the real life thing that you haven't. I actually felt very for the first time I didn't know in my harm was anymore. uh-huh fit in here anymore. I don't belong here and so I had been buried her about it and my dad was so worried that it was just kind of be like this play where you're yelled eldest for two hours. But it's actually delightful comedy. You know Because I love the place and I I love people in general and even people people that you know the trolls and people that had a go about the potato rice I can if I can sit along enough. I can usually find that humanity and that's what I did with the play hi. I'm sorry I mean I think that there yeah it highly rabbi but I the school bots would need a bit of an overhaul to have. We can do something as the prizemoney changed. Yes it has yes so raise the money for the first year which it was just it was so it's still. It's still ongoing honesty Sam. It's I I still have a thousand forty three dollars sitting in my bank account that Robertson which. I won't tell me what to do with you. Know what I mean. It's still quite a contentious thing. I went to the show this while while Al Show was on and I had this moment Emmett actually watching the race. I'm still embarrassed about it to be honest like the first. Yup I felt so I thought yes I have to go because I've made this big drama. Have to show my face and I had people I've known my whole life like Tuna Beco- mate was horrible. Who I you know? I've never been that person in my town and then this year I was so scared about going again but I had this moment when the rice was going where I thought in five years time will be shooting a movie of the Appleton. Ladies potato the greatest thing that ever happened. Do you know what I mean. That would be great all the film it. Would you have to come and say it when its own may absolutely love to. I'd love to talk more about that. Eighteen year gap between your first and second place. Yeah was it always on the backbone to rotten overplay it was and I can for Audie and I'm really good with Ideas Sam. We could come up with an idea for a new play sitting here now. Like I'm really good with that but I have a real will I had. Ah I mean this is changed. I think I the last I had a real self confidence issue and I had a real problem with finishing things I could never finish and I think this is a similar story for a lot of Rytas. This gift and I've discovered that click rotting book and it's been mountains of tunnel. You've gotta get back to it. 'cause she's not one thing. I discovered as a journalist over the years going to riders this festivals nonstop is that with writers. There's maybe five percent of writers who super talented you know like the Margaret Atwood's of the world and the team wins the world who just oh Flanigan's whoever everybody else they just finish the only difference between them and everybody else starting a book that they finish and get it to publish out like it's the only the only difference but he's at that because the placing in astrology. So small twelve commissioned a year. Is that weighing on your mind when you come well. It didn't I just. I just felt excluded to be honest. Like I felt like there wasn't a place for me. I felt like what I had done in. London wasn't valued at all. Remember when I was in London still living there and my play was like years. Six of it's being performed over there. I managed to get a a mating wave. Leave one of the directors of one of the new new writing the company's strategy. He was in London during a short. I was so excited but mostly I was excited. Because by that a time I had so little faith in my own writing Kore- that might say I was excited. I ran a theatre. My job was that I rented a small fringe theatre in London over line Vietnam and what I wanted was more Australia implies doing ratings and productions at that at that season at that theatre so I was speaking with this artistic director and around him saying to me he has of course we would never have the vegemite tales on it. These data and I wasn't even I wasn't even pitching my shower. I had so little confidence into my own abilities. I wasn't doing that but the fact that the way he scoffed at me I have never ever forgotten and to me that was that was. He hates me at the time. Because like I said twenty four twenty five by that stage he represented to maybe Ustralian theater industry and how they felt about me. He probably he. Didn't you know when you when you're that young and you don't have much self esteem and stuff so. I thought this isn't a place for me. I wasn't saying I wasn't saying young women like me being programmed And so I just thought it wasn't me that says when I was about twenty eight or twenty nine I got into a I I when I come back to me. I did not play studio so it was always there. You know I did not apply rats studio but I didn't finish finish because I got offered my I radio job. My first professional paid radio job the weekend of our big workshop weekend and I felt like it was this existential choice. You know what I mean. It was a real that was between the old which was play riding and all these new life in radio and journalism and picked radio and then a few years later I got another of a I was put into development at canvas straight called the hive. I applied for that and guarding and again. Didn't finish what I was doing so I had this thing of not finishing so I didn't think I could finish anything. I didn't think anybody wanted me. But then when on this is a great gift of on Somebo Theater and them mm-hmm commissioning that Sh- appleton to go into a season and printing out the brushes. Because I'm a journalist. You gotTa make a deadline totally you know I like my new play at unsolvable next year also has a deadline. You know so it's it. That's what I need. I need somebody to say. Yes we're GONNA put your play on and it's now and that really just forces me into gear like I know at the moment I've got two other players that I'm working on as kind of knots. Yeah SPEC scripts for for for a couple of other theater. Companies haven't commissioned them. I'm hoping that it'll start a dialogue or a relationship with a state of companies. God knows when they're going to be finished. Do you know what I mean because it just I didn't have deadline seventy moving. PA came to talk about your new play broadcast coup. which by the time these releases podcasts? Few months away April right. It sounds like it's totally from from what I've read. It's a mix of a whole bunch of stuff that you're into. Yeah and you've experienced. He tells me about it. Yeah it's about pretty much. It's about a little tame in our in a public radio station Like the I mean. I don't think it's going to be cold the but it's basically like the ABC chunk obey. Say That I think we're going to call it the survey the court the Commission of Broadcasting Australia or something of that. We're going to call it something that that out and it's about the guy who it was not a bad guy it's about the team Of a man that does with the national morning show he is a big deal this guy and and he has used the news. Bain basically having relationships with he's produces and then when he gets sick of them he'll get the moved moved somewhere else and so the play is really it's about the end of his career. bicyclists colder broadcast. So it's about the crew that goes on to unseat him to take the mic away from him and and somehow it. It's like it's funny because it is funny. But it's like with Appleton I used to. I feel like appleton lines. Potato Rice. Today was about something very very serious. You know. It's gender pay gap really. That's ultimately what it was about. This is ultimately about sexual harassment mint. But it's still a cop somehow comedy and It's so that's what it's about it's a it's about five characters kind of negotiating the end of this This great esteemed broadcast his career and it. It's the coup is being led by a podcast. Osam like you. Yes yes now. This is what I follow you. Read the PODCAST and you're into playwrights and you've worked rights to say this is like so much so so the key some up and coming podcast you entering the world of radio. She's actually she's not enough when coming podcast because what has happened to her is. She worked it in the traditional media for years and was boned bicycle. You may all out who was behind. Was it a cigarettes so she she pretty much hasn't Had any other choice but to go into this world of podcasting and as it happens because she's a real go getter it's been amazing for her and her career. She's one weeklies with her podcast. All all that kind of stuff but Yes her that she has a podcast which basically brings men down in the made to kind of sit to sought on the guy who was his former boss fast. Yeah that sounds I will they. Yeah Yeah so would you say that a lot of your experience in the industry Industry has helped de Shite. That show like this. Yes the came to write it is ensemble theatre wanted another apply from Priscilla. And I as a Tame and Ensemble theatre always do the new play every by David Williamson who is of course out maestro. ICED famous end performed playwright Australia. And the thing about David clinch diamond. Because I know him now I always feel I feel very fancy. David is one on the most generous kind people on the face of the earth. And he's also he's writing Since I was young I've always loved his particularly his early plays and Priscilla and I were talking about his early. Like what is it about his adviser so roar and funny and human and Ben tastic like all the other ones he had to he had to know the ones that of experience so he's Within him so I started looking at my ideas. I've always let's go to Google document full of ideas and be what what will do I know really well and I really care about and what story within it and and I started to write the play. I'd always kind of wanted you like an updated version of the movie all about eve and so that was where where the Jewish so so the thought of thinking about David's plays and what was close to him. But what's close to me and also the all about eve about somebody you know someone young taking over from from somebody experienced basically is how that came about and then deadline. They put it in the season. I've got and I was commissioned which has been a lot Ah We there. Philanthropists at the thank God philanthropists and Al Philanthropists support Guy and Jenny Reynolds. They have I got a commission which means being paid to write play. And we've had workshops where about to go into our third workshop which is extraordinarily like said the play really gets to flex its muscles and be discussed properly before it even goes into the rehearsal room which is very lucky so you mentioned priscilla as a direct up your the playwright once it's written yet and it goes and it's cost and everything how much of that your your job is done. They're on three rehearsal. The playroom about a weak- for hersal. Okay and I am actually very flexible. Not Flexible will in that. I don't like things being changed and it just being assumed I'll be all right with it but if they're changes to be made after I'm not in the rehearsal missile room. I'm really happy to discuss those. Because quite often actors and directors have the most amazing instincts. And if you think about it Sam like a play. The plays Mike Creativity but then get everybody else's of course it's GonNa make something better you know NBA That's the beautiful thing about the it up. And so I'm I'm mad for the so the workshops basically for me pretty much to iron out old dramas and and to figure out what the story actually is. You know that kind of stuff and then when we go into rehearsal it's nice to have script. You don't have to do much work on. That's the hype that goes with Appleton. That wasn't the case we had to slash eighteen pages when we went to was horrific. But why because we were running we appleton was a double bill. So there's another show that was running after us so we just we couldn't be have a we couldn't be. IV Eighty five minutes so we had to slash. Have you got an extended vision that you'll I David. Actually it is so like it ended up to me feeling so perfect ethics good ninety five minutes that you know. There's nothing that I'd WanNa put back in. Well it's not trying to improve. I think it's not improving. Plays Taber trying to change the perception. Because when I think applies I think Shakespeare I think of high school kids. Yeah you think it probably being bored not being. uh-huh is not being done. Well I think I've ever seen in my life and I'm sorry to some but you know I think ah I think if Shakespeare up against something like broadcast Coon. I think this is a modern thing. Yeah Yeah this is what people I think a different audience can get excited about this. Nothing yeah and you know what audiences can get excited about Shakespeare to like when it's done in an exciting new kind of white but what you mean like this is a story something like broadcast. It's GONNA podcastone. It's good also things that you can relate to and maybe that's something we need to think about doing more of as Australian playwrights not necessarily writing so that people can rely but but I guess riding the human we can all relate to the human experience in some way county a friend who's GonNa really interesting theory about the place that do well and that don't you into so so quite often strand. NPR is very earnest and very like you walk out depressed like and I think those stories are actually really valid. You know it's Arcada B. depressed afterward. We always have to have a happy ending. That happens very rarely in Fida Australia. And this friend of mine who is apply right. I don't know if I would name him but I don't know if he wants to. This theory speculating. He's is he's just notice from his implies that so it's a happy ending. People woke up until they friends about it. As opposed to when a play is brilliant but has a sad ending the Woolcott. And they'll talk about it. They weren't bring you up Sam insight. You've got to say this so I wonder whether an and it's really interesting when you look at the show. Is that because you know when we were talking before the this podcast. You saying something about In united or something about getting people into the theater or something and I was thinking there are shows in Australia. You can't get a ticket to like for example. Look at how our national like shows in the world like Hamilton and like Harry Potter For example that a book using using advanced like what are we missing what what are our strategy and plays. Yes happening that we're not doing. I kind of feel that one of the issues with wide strategy implies start like like for example in house at the house played for seven years went eventually the west end and and that's because every time we sold out we'd start looking for another venue book into another venue. Sell it out there. Then we'd be looking for another venue. We don't have that Infrastructure Australia. So something like the Appleton. Ladies Potato Rice was sold out before it opened like we should have been finding another theater to put it in winter clothes to keep it going wing and that just doesn't happen in Australia. There's this People don't do it. This is sort of a background doing this suitable five hundred Saito Aetna to go up to. It's like the little theaters or then it's a thousand seats. Twelve twelve hundred seats at the lyric theatre or somewhere like okay. So it's nice spice. Really fish chose to grow there. Were in six weeks to our like potato is but it's not the same as like we don't have a commercial theta infrastructure. He in the way that I do in London. Landon or New York. That's a shame yet is a shame because I think then we would get more showers to that that people that aren't necessarily Figo's would wanna go along to totally really. Yeah I was thinking about that. I was thinking about how you know. All the lion king's in town and frozen an shrinks coming in on these kind of will nine franchises and brands but we were missing those independent things. Those small things those things that really represent now and we'll just play to like plight like narrow musical. Exactly you know we don't have musical. I love musicals so much but in London and New York they've got a real Plays going to big theaters and things like that. We just aren't we'll have one every now and again we'll have a commercial place somewhere but it's it's as somebody who I feel like. I try to write commercially as well. Well you know I want people to say my place. I could no interest in it going into a theater with fifty people going to say it for two weeks. You know like I I. Don't I want as many people as possible to say my work and I would love it if it makes me so angry. That appleton's Appleton. I feel like it could still be playing because people just loved told difference. Couldn't get tickets. CIA just makes me crazy that way that happening do you think him like. I was thinking about the fact that you know we've got so many things competing for a time. PODCAST streaming services. Is there any concern for you. That plays might be left behind. Well sometimes I worry I worry sometimes when you look into the audience and you say very many young people that worries me that maybe it is but then you gotta something like Fan Girls Belvoir straight which was on recently which was the most magnificent new Australian musical sickle and it was just Chaka's with young people and old people and and you know all different ages so I don't think that it's on its way out because because I think the thing is if you have an early theatrical experience that moves you in some way he keep going back Hoping that it'll be recreated in everything that you go going say so going back so don't worry that it's going to be finished but I do wish that we would get more ambitious with it. He in Australia. Ah about growing back getting the more of a life than just six weeks at the likable theater and I only learned about these recently but I know that the Sydney symphony the orchestra has this thing. Where you can get tickets Rhonda thirty and they're trying to get people in that? Why do you think that's but my status do have that? Yes all right so now eto annoying but you know what. The various various theaters have different things like Sydney to company. Have this thing on a Thursday morning. If you call up at nine o'clock get online at nine o'clock and get a twenty twenty dollars ticket that certain amount twenty dollars tickets things like that. There are certain things and just between you and I am constantly So I can't afford to pay full price priced for everything so there's always like little things that I've noticed that I can do to get cheaper tickets. I should say this on. Your podcast is leaning in right now. Well for example. Even if you don't have a concession just book a concession no one checks he concession cod. There's there's A. There's a ticket sable rebel playwright around. There's a there's a an entertainment guide that subsidized some tickets. Call the intimate God or something. You quite often get an option with some theaters that say sixty dollars but if you're an entertainment God holy can get one for thirty dollars. I Have I've always bought thirty dollars to. I've never been checked. Okay yeah so I figure I'm not stealing. I'm not like going into you. Know what I mean. I'm not I'm not sneaking in or anything like that. She could probably do as well but which is to do to musicals? When I was in my twenties and had had very little money I would go in in the second half of musicals and just watch the second half snake in and sit in a so? How do you sneaky? And this is the second home. Well he sneaking with the smoke is so this is they lost to go in. So they're the last to go in and you just sort of Habat back and then you say which which isn't even the venue in the first place. No one takes the ticket saw when it's the second act now in Texas them should have a lot of knowledge gaps in the first. Yeah so you don't I don't want to buy the second and the second act of anything is really like the first bit is the first couple of things are always the strongest. But in anything's well written. It's the end of the play or the musical. That's always the best because you know it's meant to speed up to a conclusion and it's meant the conclusions meant to be what the entire play or the entire musicals about and for some reason. There's a big crowd to applause at the end of the second half after so I think as we think about this problem what shall we do we do about it. You've already mentioned the fact that we need better infrastructure and instead what else do okay. So we need Bene- infrastructure. I think he because that way mobile's created in. Everybody wants to be part of a buzz like you watch. When Hamilton comes here Hamilton will be sold out like that? Because it's got such a buzz around on the world about two years ago. Exactly it Harry Potter. I saw Harry Potter email. The other day the Harry Potter selling tickets in January twenty twenty twenty one I mean why are we not wire strategy and show is not doing that and it's because we don't keep these commercials is going so I would say it's about about Getting obviously we need to get more people to the theater. I don't know how I don't know how we do that. But conversations like these heartfully and I would encourage anybody nobody who goes to see something that they love share with the world that you love it and then I know when I I really loved bangles like that was one of the things I super love this year after not not super loving loss and I know about fourteen of my friends that went and bought tickets for because of something that I had put on facebook and I mean if everybody did that something would mike a huge difference. What else can we do? Sam what else can we do. We need to think about our audiences and what they want to say and I think we need to like value comedy a little bit more at the moment way of like we love Ernest Theater in Australia. And really in a world like this we all Kinda WanNa laugh off a bit anyway. So maybe. That's the place that I know of that done super super well this year. A lot of bang comedies. So maybe we need to pergram comedies as or or actually value comedy writing a little bit more than we do in the theater world because in the theater companies are a bit like comedy like the kind of it just money spin as Ati sekli really recognized as the cow. They aren't they aren't but I wanNA have a law. Yeah we all want to have a lot and the great playwright. Hi Ron this is the thing right so the playwrights that have lasted forever Shakespeare Chekhov those co two of them at the moment that but those pilots that have been around and and continue to be played again and again so you think of Shakespeare Chekhov and you probably also news mix news like that so exhausting but in actual fact act shakespeare and Chekov that is great dramas one single play of this that doesn't have laughs and laughs and and laughs in the hallway through all of their blades but no one no one like we think of them as these kind of ernest playwrights. There's not the case all the great great great drought dramatists. Might you laugh the hallway through as well. Sorry yeah I I don't know if we need to look back a little bit because this amazing writing happening in this country it's just maybe idiots not getting to the biggest audiences or something. That's very true. Are you gonNA say something now. After conversation. I'm going to go see your plan. I blackout white. I'm going to get. We'll get you tickets. I support the industry and I got I got. You'll love it. It's great it'll be not a horrible not for the performance allies like everything goes wrong. It's terrible but everybody who loves you. Loves the actors and everybody in the audience. It's just like it's so fun. He's a question before we wrap. He meant to get dressed up for the play. Nar You can if you want like. I reckon. The theater is a lot more chill than and then people think that it is like I. I mean what jeans and a t-shirt now I would go to the theater in what I'm wearing now. Okay Oh make an audit Dress up nicely and have a cocktail beforehand. Do whatever you like. Whatever like I really vessel light between the two like 'cause I go to a lot of openings being in the industry astray sometimes I think to myself? Tonight's not I'm really GONNA I'm GonNa go to blow dry really like make a night of it but but quite often. It's just very cash so just have a nice nice time and try. Yeah try and enjoy communing with a wonderful act does on stage you know really tight. It's been a delight. Thank you damn expanded a lot chatting with you thank you you. That's melanie tight. He can find on twitter at Melanie tight that's not A. It and her brand new show is broadcast coup which hypoc April seventeen at the on Samba theatre in Sydney and continues to camera in Maine a put a link to buy tickets in the show notes. Thanks so much for listening. 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