March 27: A lifeline, in the nick of time
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Couvert restaurant owner tells us it'll help. Keep him afloat for now. It's going to get worse before it gets any better Brooklyn. Doctor says he and his colleagues are already facing war zone like conditions and the peak is still to come wait for IT I. She learned her double mastectomy had been cancelled then she discovered she's not the only one having vital surgery put off as hospitals prepare for a surge of covert nineteen cases researchers discover some very very old donkey bones the prove aristocrats us the humble animal to play. Polo in China but a thousand years ago. Now that's brainpower flattening the curve while dealing with a steep learning curve an employee at Oklahoma's shuttered cowboy museum discovers. He's a bit of a Greenhorn. When it comes to social media and sharing is caring but sharing your pants is just a whole other level. We reached into the archives. Pulled out two men one of whom was in need of pants as it happens. The Friday edition radio. That's always happy to cut you some slacks this morning in Ottawa. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Threw a lifeline to Canadian business owners. Last week we hit announced that we would cover ten percent of wages. But it's becoming clear that we need to do more much more. So we're bringing that percentage up to seventy five percent for qualifying businesses. This means that people will continue to be paid even though their employer has had to slow down or stop its operations because of covert nineteen. We're helping companies keep people on the payroll so that workers are supported and the economy is positioned to recover from this. That is our priority. That was Prime Minister Trudeau announcing a massive increase in help for small businesses affected by the covert nineteen pandemic. The Canadian restaurant industry has been one of the hardest hit so far. And it's one of the sectors that could be kept afloat by the new subsidy. Doug Stephen Co owns two restaurants a food truck and a catering company. We reached him in Vancouver. Dag what is your reaction to the prime minister's announcement. I think this is an incredible step forward for small and medium sized businesses who are currently trying to maintain the employment of all their staff The realities to me are that the more people that we can continue to have employed that can continue to make purchases from other businesses. This will hopefully help. Keep our economy afloat and keep all these small businesses afloat. I think it's incredible news. And when you heard it when you heard that the seventy five percent figure wha wha what did how did you feel about that? What was your reaction? I literally did a fist pump. While I in bed that that that instantly changed both my wife and myself a changed our The feeling that we've been having over the last two weeks. Now tell us a bit about your business. How many people you employ and what kind of work. They're doing Between all of our restaurants and food concepts we have almost fifty employees and a few have been able to continue operation. A few unfortunately have not just as a result of the concepts that they are but this will allow us to Help maintain employment and also help take care of those of our staff who have had to take time off because they are either immunosuppressed have respiratory challenges are high risk individuals in their household. That's who we were. The most concerned about was how they were going to continue to to live. And I think with this With this subsidy will be able to get a paycheck in their Hanson Be Able to take care of them. You had some of you. Workers were not not able to work or not wanting to work because of their health concerns and then in addition to that did to lay people off Suss far. We've actually been fortunate enough that we haven't only because of the nature of our business levels at one of our concepts. We were actually strongly looking at it up until today's announcement gives us what kinds of services you're still if you're still in business What are you actually doing? Where do you able what are you? What are you offering to the public at this point? Takeout PICKUP END. We have elected to delivery Using our own staff in an effort to maintain his high unemployment rate as possible. To how much of Your Business had were you losing? Or how'd you lost since the lockdown began right? Now we're down Company WIDE. Were probably down about forty forty five percents ranging anywhere from twenty percent in In one location to about fifty to sixty percents in the other does this does this announcement of the wage. Subsidy doesn't mean that you will not lay anybody off the Jewish. Keep your your full staff hundred percent and you have to contribute anything that seventy five percents of the what they're making that goes directly to them. Do you have to contribute anything to that? We will make sure that anybody who maintains employment with US gets four one hundred percent time of their hour of their full-time hours. And we'll also look at ways to Take care of those people who are A part of our full-time team who have had to take time off the unfortunate side of The employment insurance measures that had been announced. Is that that wasn't enough for some people to pay rent so this I'd much rather them get a paycheck from US and be able to pay their rent. Put ARE THEY SAYING. What kind of I is the word out among your employees that this is going to happen. They'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA be paid. We literally we found out and then came down to the store to do our morning briefing with our staff every day. We do a briefing normally today Of well today every day since the pandemic has really started affecting us. We've been doing longer briefings talking to the staff about every Economic OPTION. That's being put forward as well as The nature of where the world's at N- asking them checking how they're doing So we we got out of bed and we immediately While got ready to go and then came down here. to the restaurant and For most of our staff it was their first time hearing it. There were cheers during our briefing this morning. As a result of this how close would they do not being able to pay the rent at this point to lay them off our crew that we were working with they were there they were going to probably be fine but they understood the realities of not just our own business but the entire Canadian economy eventually having an effect on all businesses everywhere and Some of the things that we talk about in so for them they also understood that this measure. It's not just for our benefits. Not just for the people who we currently work beside. This is an opportunity for other small medium sized businesses that have maybe already close their doors to reopen and to Try to find a way to make a work and try to find a way to keep their employees fully employed. They're part of the statement that the prime minister gave was that the the point of this is to keep people employed obviously but but also to be have businesses like yours in the position for the recovery when the economy surges to life. Again as they were saying I'm as I was in our city Toronto and as I'm sure it is in Vancouver start looking at these businesses and wondering how much of the landscape is going to change. How many of these these. These businesses aren't going to be there when when When the dust settles our when we recover from this was that you're concerned where you're starting to think I just wonder what kind of a kind of a city we're gonNA live if we don't able to hold onto these these little these enterprises we myself Am I am my business partner? Wife sat down with a couple of other friends. This was all starting to kind of shakedown socially distanced of course and we had a very honest conversation amongst all of ourselves in the realities are for most businesses. Regardless of how busy they are they usually only have a couple of months especially small to medium. Sized businesses usually have a couple of months of bare necessity Cashflow ready to go in the reserves. this I still think this is going to change the landscape a lot of places but I think this will at least give a lot more businesses the opportunity to make it through this Alive to also be able to continue business down the road well Doug. I'm glad things worked out at least for the time being with your restaurant and hopefully it's doesn't last long. Thanks so much for speaking with US Carol. Thank you so much for calling me. I really appreciate it. Bye Bye Bye Doug. Stephen is a restaurant owner. We reached him in Vancouver Sydney Loni has been waiting for cancer surgery for weeks and now because of the demands on Canadian Hospitals Dudakovic Nineteen. Her Double Mastectomy has been put off indefinitely. The writer and editor has since discovered that. She's just one of many people who aren't getting urgent procedures. All of them now faced an agonizing. Wait to find out when they might get the medical help that they need. Sydney loney wrote about her experience. In a piece published in Maclean's magazine we reached her in Oakville Ontario. Send he just. How pressing is it for you to get this surgery From my understanding cancers fairly serious so I feel it's you know rather pressing and what was your understanding as to when it will be happening. There doesn't seem that's very good question. I I have no idea at this point when it will be happening. What's your doctor telling you? My doctor is Doing the best you can and and I think has been sort of left to triage patients on her own from my from what I could understand. And she is hoping that by putting me on talks in it will just sort of hold that the cancer check for now until such time as we're able to you find a surgery date until or Operating at full capacity again. What did your doctor say when she told you that the surgery was not going to go ahead. And when you're having when your book for something like this you your whole life is focused on. That isn't it. That's the moment and your family's moment when the it's the beginning of the end of something that That that has been a nightmare. So how did she tell you? That wasn't gonNA happen. Yeah that's exactly I read sort of you know I had in my mind and and reassured family that this was going to be taken care of and by the end of March there would be nothing to worry about and She she was very matter of fact about it. She you know making the best of the terrible situation and I understood that and I also know that I'm not only one so I was just trying to remain stoic as I could It happened so quickly to she. Just you know waited for several hours that she came. She came in downs. And we can't do this. Here's what we're going to do and we just sort of did that was very very businesslike. Like okay this is what's going to happen and we're going to hope for the best. Was your reaction when you heard that I felt ill but You know I yeah I just felt ill then you had to go home and tell your family yes. That was the worst part. I think you know I it's one thing For me it's just. It's another for my for my kids and You know we really haven't talked about it in I. I try not to make it a thing in our have have tried not to make the thing in our lives. It's just something that you know. A minor inconvenience will devastate back. We'll get over it but now it's I don't know what to tell them and I don't know how to reassure them and telling telling you. My family was the worst part. How old your kids and in thirteen so old enough that they knew mum was going to go for the surgery and she was going to get better. That's right. Yeah and how how what reaction would affect it had on them knowing this? Yeah they they sort of looked at me to see how I'm reacting and I I just try to have been not emotional about it in front of them but there are times especially when I see them upset during the day. We're busy at night and everyone is struggling in this very strange time. So there's extra stress anyway and I think by nighttime. Everyone is a little more upset. And that's when it's it turns into you know they're they're they're upset and sadden. We're just trying to get through it so we're so far talking to you as a cancer patient and now it's up to you as journalists because you put that other hat on didn't do at some point to find out to dig a bit deeper into who else is being affected. And what did you find out? I did the day after my my terrible appointment. I thought I you know I I should really talk to somebody about this and people should know about this because I I had no idea it was still in my understanding that only elective procedures were being cancelled and then I thought well wait a minute. I'm a journalist. I could do this and I made a few calls. I spoke to a couple of doctors and I learned that That this is a widespread. Pedantic planning thing that's happening in hospitals and hospitals are shutting down their activity and as of last Friday. That was it was shut down at least in Toronto. Up to seventy percents with the goal being to get it much higher than that and really just very minimal procedures are being done and there doesn't seem to be. I would like to see more of a plan in place or hear more of a planet in terms of what? What exactly is going to happen to this backlog of critically ill people. I'm I'm not the only one with cancer. It's not just cancer. It's people waiting for organs and people who have heart disease. I mean it just. I can't even imagine how many people this affects but in your research You asking around what seems to be. The case at this point is that the hospitals are anticipating this or preparing for. But they don't really have that rush of patients yet that they're anticipating so what do you think? How could they have done things differently? As far as what you've been able to learn yes and that was something that frustrated frustrated me before I even The end speaking to a few doctors. I just thought well. Why not get through because backlog is going to be Immense and when I posed that question to one of the physicians I spoke to He. He agreed he said you know it was common sense to him to have treated as many people as possible and move them through and got them in and out Rather than wait and wait for how long have we don't we don't know and even now you know. The the focus of efforts is still on on testing and there aren't that many people In the hospital system yet so it made sense for to me into him most people through and then again as he sat. You know hindsight's whether or not that was the right decision but I I. It's not a decision that I understand. You were diagnosed in January. Yes I was Sort of late December early January. And do you have any idea can you? Can you can find out how much your cancer may have progressed since your diagnosis. No because they haven't the day that I went for the The appointment I my doctor sent me to to go and having ultrasound just so that we could see so it could. It could help her decide whether or not she'd made the right decision I think and see. How far has cancer progress in my last? My last biopsy In early January my ultrasound in January and the diagnostic imaging is also Shut down so I was told you know they're not even booking appointment and she justice sent me back with a forum and said you know try back in. May and maybe we'll be booking in May and that was that was it. That was the best they could do. Sydney I'm sorry you're going through this thank you. I appreciate that and I hope that it all. That's it. You're able to get what you need as soon as possible that we get through this as quickly as possible for me and for everybody else thinks. He's waiting Sydney. Thank you thank you very much. Sydney Loni is a writer and editor. She was in Oakville Ontario. You can find more on this story on our web page at CBC DOT CA Slash H in life under lockdown enforcement is inevitably part of the equation and in Europe's hardest hit countries Italy and Spain. That means police are patrolling the streets but in my Orca. The sound of sirens is a welcome intrusion partly because of the sound that comes next radio. Aw coupling the Lebron Concord Ma Value Tampa police in my Orca Spain with their rendition of the children's tune in John Petite Columbia. They're playing for residents. Who are singing along from their balconies. yeah hope so for a while. Now we've been spending more time in the as it happens. Archives sure the archives are housed in the sub sub sub basement of the building and there's a disturbingly large population of feral cats down there. What is not too dangerous as long as you? Take some kibble with you plus. We're feeling some relief from re airing some of the odd and amusing stories that we've erred in the past and so are you. 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Thank you everybody by keep practicing that laugh Valerie and thank you for calling and thank you to everyone who's contacted us with a request or suggestion. Keep them coming email us at Aih at CBC DOT CA tweet us at CBC as it happens or leave a message for talkback at four one. Six two zero five five six eight seven now without further ado we whisk you back to twenty nine thousand nine hundred a time when we freely mingled together a time when we shook hands Willy Nilly a time when we could just ask a stranger to borrow their pants and that stranger would happily oblige okay. That was never a common thing but it did happen last April when Jake Wolf a student at the University of Illinois arrived at chemists chemistry class in shorts that wasn't just a fashion Faux Pas. It was not allowed and it would cost to mark's so he needed somebody help and somebody's pants from our archives. Here's Carol's conversation with Mr Wolf. Jake take us back to last Tuesday. Just how nice was it? That day. It was so nice it was like Seventies. It was just. It was great weather for short. And so you had to break out in shorts. When did you realize you've made a serious mistake at seven fifty eight two minutes before my class? That's when I realized what would be the consequences of going to that class with shorts I would be thrown out a Latte which basically guarantees a drop in the letter grade. And why? Can't you wear shorts in chemistry? It's more of a liability like if you spill like a hazardous chemical on your leg could be dangerous. So so that's why you can't go in with it. I get it. Yeah that makes sense to me so the class begins at eight. You are two minutes in and you wearing the wrong clothes. You'RE GONNA lose a whole grade. Could you go home? No I cannot go home in my panic state. I thought maybe I can make it home. Change and get back but the latest you can. Swipe into class is eight ten so you can be ten minutes late and still make the lab. But there was no way. I could run home in time. I thought I could. That's why I started running but it would be actually impossible okay. So when did you get an idea how you might turn this around So I was about halfway home and I looked at my watch and it was eight. O four so six minutes is already passed. I'd six minutes left only halfway home so I thought I have to resort to something else thousand last resort mode desperation mode And that's when I saw Sam walking into I think it was the business school In pants and it was just. I haven't tried something insane today. Let's give it a go. So that's that's what I went up and asked him Like a bar with pants and we have Sam Brown on the phone. Hi Sam Hi. How are you okay now? Did you know Jake? Had you ever seen him before? No I had not until he approached me. I'd never met her seen them around campus. And how did he approach you so I was walking in the building and I heard someone behind me on? Hey Hey hey so I turn around look and I saw some guy running towards the door. He kind of said like this is going to sound crazy. But I'm running late to my lab. I'M GONNA need to borrow your pants and I was pretty shocked. Nobody's ever come up to me and asked if they could use my pants especially stranger. Did you wonder about this dude did you? Did you buy the story? I mean I understand the story but it was kind of in a short amount of time. I didn't really have time to think whether like this was a good idea or not. So that's kind of when I decided. What kind of pants were you wearing? I was wearing a black sweatpants. Okay back to you jake. So so so. What did you guys do? So we both ran into the business school. I of course didn't know where the bathrooms are so I was like. Where's the bathroom? He's like Oh it's over to your left And we both rushed in and we switch pants and I quickly got his number. 'cause I wanted to give his pants back And I didn't even have enough time to like ask for the name. I just saved it in my phone pants. I ran the lab. That's what happened so they fit your well their sweat pants so they're elastic waist right so they've fit beautifully and Sam. How about the shorts? Did they fit you perfectly fine as well so wearing each other's clothes and what what did you think what did you think? Did you think you'd ever see your pants again He told me he was. GonNa text me so I I believe Hughes. He seemed pretty panic though. But I was like all right so I just walked upstairs. The class thought this was probably when the crazier things I've done so okay. So and when did you connect again with Jake? Saw was round eleven when I walked back downstairs and I text him and he was standing by the bats are Megan is said he was so thankful and that was a lifesaver for our that. We just went back to the bathroom and swap pants and take. How grateful were you? I was so grateful Absolutely ecstatic I actually put twenty bucks in his pants because Sam was such a nice kid for doing that. I knew if I handed him. Twenty Bucks you would definitely say no no keep it. Actually Slipped in and his sweatpants and I talked to them later in. Sweatpants though and now would you have done the same thing if somebody Jacob. Somebody had asked you your pants a stranger. It depends the vibe that the person would give me but I feel like if somebody came up to me and asked me like dude. I need your pants like I would definitely think no before I thought yes so and when you told people about this. How did they respond Well I texted my one friend and he thought absolutely hilarious and then I immediately called my mom and she was crying laughing. And then that's when my friend thought it was so funny that he tweeted out and the whole thing went. Viral blew up. And so you two are doing doing interviews. You kind of joined at the HIP now. Aren't you in so many ways Jake and Sam? It's a great story and I really appreciate you telling it to us. Thank you both. Thank you forever. Thank you from our archives. Carol speaking with Jake Wolf and the heroic pence providers Sam Brown on April nineteenth two thousand Nineteen Haley Halen. And Hey listeners are we are. The hosts of a podcast called the secret life of Canada. We are a history podcast. Yeah and we've covered topics things like the gold rush or the bay blanket. Yes kind of unconventional stories. Though that you might have missed in your Canadian history class so we're here to uncover those secrets. That's right Czechoslo. Wherever you get your podcasts doctors and nurses in New York City are already at a breaking point and the peak of the covy nineteen crisis. Hasn't even hit yet this week. A hospital in Queens reported thirteen deaths in a single day. Some nurses in Brooklyn were trash bags. After running out of medical gowns. Another hospital started splitting oxygen from a single ventilator so that to patients could use it Dr Tons Zebo Sane works at New York University. Langone hospital in Brooklyn. We reached him in the middle of his busy shift. Dr Hussain we have been following. What's happening at your hospital? And just first of all I wanted to. Just thank you and all your colleagues for what you're doing now you're on the. This is what we signed up for and these are the moments that make Dr into doctor. I'm sure this is not what anybody anticipated. Could happen in their careers. But just what are you seeing? Just your shift so far today. What's it been like in general what we've been seeing in most of our shifts are subtle patients a day coming in for restaurant symptoms all very similar symptoms shortness of breath fever cough days to the point where by the time they arrived at the hospital there having significant shortness of breath and their oxygen levels are very low. What's been different? The last two weeks is really just the volume of these cases of these patients. Coming in. I think we're used to getting Sahgal. Patients in our but with different acuity is with different symptoms different disease processes think having so many people with the same processes coming in flooding. The emergency rooms. That's what's really difficult is managing the acuity and the volume in a short amount of time and as far as dealing with the patients themselves. And what they're going through. What does the fear? I guess what they've got and what what it might end with. What how difficult is it for you to to actually deal with that level of it? Yeah and I. It is very challenging for physicians of all the hospital staff. Everyone who is involved in the hospital and it feels. The gravity of the situation understands the seriousness. We try to support each other through it. We try to get some support from the patients themselves and then honestly for me the biggest releases going home in my wife she is also scientists. She is here and she's actually in the thick of things working with the mayor's office on the Mayor's covered council trying to figure out how the policy makers can improve delivery of equipment delivery of resources to us and so when I go home and talk to her and discuss these things with her that they get a bigger picture and together the support we have between each other. I think really helps once outside the hospital so I think for a lot of physicians. It's disappoint structure within and without within outside the hospital. That keeps US going because without that. This is a challenging time for us. All when you have a patient when you have someone who's come in and you have to into bait them you have to do put put them on on vital air and on ventilators and they can't have anybody else with your. They're isolated. Wha what's what's that like for you what. What relationship are you having with them at that point? How are you helping them? Through that one of our jobs that relations and caretakers including the nurses respiratory therapists. The whole staff. That's there with the patient went into is about to happen. I think our job is really if the patient is coherent enough to be able to understand what is going on is to be able to be there for them. Be a support and try to give them hope a lot of patients. They're so sick that they might not be conscious enough and so would emergent innovations and in those cases. There's less of a emotional toll but the ones who are still alert at the in those situations it is very talked to the the ones at the bedside to let the patient know. Hey we don't have any guarantee that you might be able to come out of this but we need your consent to do this because from what we've seen this is what's going to help. And how often are you contemplating the fact that a patient is not gonNA come out of every day it would be patient? That's a concern because this disease is so serious And it is. It weighs on every one of us when we're doing this each with each patient because we don't know which ones will make it through in which means all these patients possibly their final moments and they don't have family with them. How difficult is that for them? Do you think no I think that is probably one of the most difficult aspects of this is because of the isolation necessary Safety these patients are on their own. Usually in a hospital setting you will always have family members of some big refunds coming by there with the patient before something as big as integration occurs but now in these settings now these patients are just with us and I was mentioning earlier. How some of the support I get by going home and being with someone who can understand this and and support each other to imagine not having that in the most critical of times in the hospital is just unfathomable. You desperately need ventilators. That's been made clear by your the state government in by your city Yesterday president trump scoffed at the request governor made for thirty thousand ventilators if you could show him something if you could bring him into your hospital and show him what you're dealing with. What what would you what would you do? Would you tell him? What would you demonstrate to him about what you're up against? I think just walking into one of the units into seeing the gravity of the situation in those units to see how many patients there are of all ages doesn't matter for young or old being able to see the illness process and the fact it hasn't individuals that's when he realized this is. This is seriously. It's not just numbers. It's not just projections. It's actual really. It's real people who are being affected in. You're seeing very young people aren't you? Yes so this idea that. Somehow this isn't something it only takes older people and that will some politicians of said. Well maybe that's we'll have to accept that for the sake of rebuilding the economy and opening it up by Easter. What do you say to them? Honestly what's the rate of admissions? Were Seeing I. I can't see that being a smart solution at this point. It's still peeking. In my opinion and so two data mine is still too early. So you feel that this is when when there's a sense that there is it still going up. When do you think you might hit the sort of peak now? So it's been about a little over two weeks now hoping within the next two weeks. Maybe we'll we'll finally start seeing the tip decrease until maybe another six to eight weeks Where I feel. We've been bad position where we can start thinking about other things. But I think it's going to be a couple of weeks at least factor Hussein. I wish you and your colleagues strength and again thank you for what you're doing you take care you too. Tounzi Hussein is a doctor at New York University Langone Hospital in Brooklyn and that's where we reached him today to Kia has lived most of his life alone on a tiny island near Victoria. Bc Wolf literally alone one but despite his remoteness he was loved by people all over the world. Most people are in shock today. Because this week Takeo was shot and killed by hunters on Vancouver Island. Wolf gained international attention after a documentary by Cheryl Alexander which showed his life on discovery island before he swam to Vancouver Island. Miss Alexander has been following Takeda's life for nearly seven years and she spoke with. Cbc Victoria about what the Animal's death means to her. Oh well I think two K. Is GOING TO LEAVE. A huge legacy. He had through the sharing of his story I get hundreds of emails and notes a day from people all around the world in places as remote as you know. Slovenia and Poland and France and Germany and Italy and all the European countries and and South Africa and I mean it's phenomenal the cord that he has touched with people. And you know what's happened right now and this is. I was so horrendous for me to have to put this Out On my instagram about Takeda's being killed because he actually in this time we're facing which in which people around the world are finding themselves isolated and afraid and needing to figure out how to survive and he actually was providing people with hope and with You know a perspective that he he was probably the biggest isolationist in the world he'd spent most of his life and isolation and that gave people a sense of hope that he was you know able to figure it out that he survived and if he could then so can we figure it out and I. It's just so sad that I had to tell people at this time when they need. Hope that this terrible thing had happened. Sheryl Alexander who produced a documentary about Takeda the Lone Wolf that once lived on discovery island on Tuesday hunters shot and killed two KIA The Polo player takes the Field Mallet. In hand the players powerful steed trots into place its sleek flanks gleaming in the sunlight its main gently rippling in the breeze then it slowly opens its mouth and braise like a squeaky swing set. What I'm getting at is the steed was a donkey and his rider was a Chinese noblewoman. The discovery of a set of rare donkey bones has provided physical proof that the animals were used to play Polo in China. More than a thousand years ago. Few Marshall is one of the researchers. She's an anthropologist at Washington University in Saint Louis we reached her in Saint Louis Missouri Vessel Marshall. First of all our donkey's really fast enough to play Polo. Well that's a good question In fact they are don't keep domesticated from their ancestor. Equa Africanus Which is a very fast animal known as dip Akali or African wild ass. They are beautiful. They're they look more like Arabian Horses. With stripy legs and long ears. Then in fact wild horses did and they could move fast and so it varies with the kind of. Don't care around the world. The miniatures would not be as fast. But don't you can move quickly. Well we're we're actually quite interested in your African wild ass suggestion. That sounds like quite now. We're not going there But just you but did they cooperate enough to play Polo. The donkeys Well I haven't personally played donkey. The the game of lived. You is written in the historic nature in China that lots of people played it. And in fact if you look on the Internet you will find communities playing Polo on donkeys today to attract crist in the foothills of the Himalayas. And it looks as if they're moving pretty fun so there is written evidence that donkey used to play. Polo and Imperial China. So what does it? What's the significance of what you've discovered now so there's two ways in which it was. An extraordinary finding one is that not donkeys have been documented physically in ancient societies east of Iran. So these are the I don't. He's known They should be there. According to some of the ancient literature and certainly would have been important on the silkroute but the bones have not been found So just finding donkeys at all Is Very exciting. And then in terms of the Polo. The same thing is true. The literature suggests that was Polo. That's also true. Horse Polo Horse Polo is depicted on murals and some of the Emperor's tombs but there was no material evidence of any kind of people playing polo on donkeys no paintings and no no sculptures and no bones so finding these bones of donkeys in the in the tomb of this woman. I guess it's it's important to know who she might have been. Yes exactly and that was not known When they excavated this tune in order to save it they they would not have known whose tomb it was The architecture made it evident. It was a Tang dynasty elite tomb. So somebody important was buried there but who whether man or woman was not known until they finish the research so she was Queen? She the inscriptions on the tomb were very specific. We know she was the lady Clichy we know. She was in her fifties. We know the date of her burial And so that was the revelation that a noble woman would ever be buried with three. Don't keep would be totally unexpected. Like what does it tell you though that about the Dong he's himself? How do you know that they were Polo donkeys that she had buried with her? So all the different lines of evidence put together Don't make sense in any other way and that's the donkey was used for Polo. So the the history is really important. There the history of the Times the history of the family and the bones themselves all three of those things pointing the direction of Polo So the Tang Emperor of the time Was really passionate about Polo. And in fact he even advanced a quincy's husband who who became I two general and then the governor of two really important Tang provinces. It said in the history that he he was advanced because he was so good at Polo. And the emperor really cared about Polo. In fact the emperor even said he's famous saying if polo was imperial examination. I would have excelled Polo was played by the court at the time and it was originally played as by generals as a way to Prepare for war against the nomads. The showing new but the but you mentioned that the murals we have the depictions we have a horses with the Polo with donkeys. Was this a more kind of I guess? Acceptable female version of Polo? Is that why she would be using having playing Don Temple We don't know exactly why the texts Only mentioned slightly. They don't give an account of a donkey polo game. They say that donkey Polo live. Ju Is well-known and women played it Older people played it And also people without horses and so. It's inferred that it was safe for. The donkeys are lower to the ground and went a little more slowly but most importantly don't he's don't start way Horses do That's because they wild ancestors are not hurt animals so they will not just follow a leader. Who's galloping away They they make their own decisions. They're much more steady in Queens. She had these Donkeys buried with her because she intended to play Polo in the afterlife. I guess yes well. It sounds a little while but it's the only explanation that makes sense In fact there was a government regulatory body specifically in charge of animals for the Tang imperial state and they specify that capital could not be slaughtered neither could horses and nor could donkeys and the reason for the hoses and the donkeys was. They was so important for a state transport. They could only be killed for very important sacrifices ceremony and no donkey. Cermony hit ever beaten recruited but horses and cattle had so the only reason that they would The donkeys would be present in the tomb was because They were killed in a ceremony at the time she was buried and the only contact her woman a noble woman would have with donkeys would be through donkey polo quite the story and we needed that professor marsh something to take our minds off everything else. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Take by Fiona. Marshall is an anthropologist at Washington University in St. Louis. 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