WKPWP - Mailbag Friday - Keller & Mitchell answer questions on Kofi's push, KO's return, Vince-Hunter dynamic, more (3-1-19)
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So I'd welcome it or instead of Zane Bray wide could cost kale the match and give us Kay over says what what do you think of that? It's a tougher sell because why it has been so inconsistent but wide coming back and interfering to help. Daniel Bryan is interesting. I don't think they need to put widened Daniel Bryan together. But having the heels on the same show is a good story and could lead to a great feud. If they tell the story, right I o Kevin Owens gets good match. And isn't just thrown into the title multi person ladder match that were sure to get Bruce. Kevin owns made us return this week and made made a big splash. Thanks to Vince McMahon. Your thoughts on on different scenarios for him including those presented by Kevin. So why don't you think? Why did you think that this man who got beaten up to got beaten to a pulp by Kevin Owens? Thought that Kevin Owens would be a better more suitable opponent for Daniel Bryan than Kofi Kingston. I mean, there's only one there's only one real thing. You can come up with Vince lights guys with beer beer guts. I was thinking white as like is that the story they're telling you think I story I'm getting sometimes the store you get is the story they they realize they're telling. I like the idea of Sammy's aine being with Daniel, Bryan. As Sammy saying not only off the air fits what Dana Brown is doing there. But on the air just kind of that he could really play the role of of like he did with Kevin Owens, but the r-enfield, but of the r-enfield of wanna the skulled who wants everybody else to be better people. I think he I think he could do well with that. So I don't see it. But I don't see Kevin and Sammy's aim at wrestlemania because that matches just been done so much in so many different ways as a great match when when the context is there, but I I don't I don't know that that that's their Kevin Owens at wrestlemainia with Daniel Bryan is the possibility that somehow what they weave in and out with with Kofi Kingston that becomes the match and on an playing a longer game than just wrestlemainia. Or there's or those God forbid someone decides that every match wrestlemanias three way. And so then you get in O'Brien and. And. Kevin. That would mean Seth Rollins Brock Lesin Roman reigns. In a triple threat. Also, right. Yes. Yeah. I'm onto something. Yes. They. So I could I could see that. It was interesting to me because what I really thought was going to happen was Kevin versus Daniel, Bryan. Kevin Owens is a man of the people who ate pizza with pepperoni on it. And you know. Littered and didn't care about people about recycling. We're bores and all that against any Brian. And you know, because that was what they're doing the common man who, you know, the kid comes and wants to change back from from the twenty dollar Bill, and he ain't gonna give it to them that the common guy against what he twenty Daniel, Bryan. And. And then we get the then we get the he'll get Kevin Owens just handpicked by the boss to front the black guy. So it's. I don't know. His character might change three or four times before we get to wrestlemania. That's that's one of it. But Kevin Owens coming back is certainly. You should help the thin roster right now. What do you do you think that the videos that they played with Kevin Owens are going to come into play in a way that just makes sense? Once it all falls into place. Once they tell the story they're going to tell for the next two weeks or two months, or does this seem like well, Vince called inaudible it was going to be, you know, Brian owns Kevin mania, but Kofi so so red hot that we're going to give Kofi the match at wrestlemainia and do the swerve with Kevin Owens. I'm intrigued by it. I I wish I had more faith that this is going to be have a great resolution. It makes sense because that's not their batting average in. This regard is great. But they sometimes do make it work. And maybe there's a good story line here. I can't figure out where they're going with it. Because if Kevin Owens is a baby face, even if he's saying, hey, Kofi five win. I'll give you the first title shot. And he's been kinda sorta nice about it, or whatever I wouldn't take that. I mean, if you're offered something away. Completely unfair. And you just sort of like, well, I'm going to do it. And you just don't really say much. I that's not a baby face return to me. So it seems like this has to result in Kevin Owens going. He'll even though those video seemed to be pointing to him being a baby face. I do until there's evidence otherwise that. This was part of a very well laid out plan for Kevin ones. And that all the pieces come together where I go. Oh, wow. That makes sense until I see that I'm gonna take this as there was a plan for Owens that had to do with those selfie videos that got put to the side for the plan for Ellen's now that has to do with Kofi Kingston, and and whatever it because Daniel I and we'll save like right now. I don't think that. And there's there's sometimes when there you get a better idea. I think this man gets too many better ideas. That's good way to put it. Well, if in the end, let's say Kevin decide it do you think Kingston's desert deserving? Such a weird word is his character red hot enough where it makes sense. Yes. Eight debt for mania don't blow it off at fat. Don't do it at Faslane and then move onto something else for mania a little over month later. Yes. Safe. Get some heat on more heat on Vince. And if they can make it make sense, that's a bonus. But save Kofi Brian one on one for mania is a good move. You know? I don't know. I don't know how hot how hot Kofi Kingston is right now. It's it's really interesting. I mean is he so hot that they that they move him to wrestlemainia. And then he gets since gold watch at wrestlemainia with beats Daniel, Bryan. I didn't like the look of added like the look of new day in those excuse me for saying this brightly colored clown suits. I'm just walking out of the ring. And getting big footed like that. I didn't think that I thought there was something about it. That was really kind of that wasn't. He does not. That it hurts. It hurts a certain way. Because there was they looked impotent to me it was like it's three guys that just walked, you know, this just like they're mad, but they don't do anything, and they leave, and I understand you still wanted the contract signing, but the two guys that were left in the ring to sign the contract looked like they were about their business. This is like the clowns left and the fight or state. And and I thought that was an I thought that was a mistake. I thought that was descend that kind of message was a bad deal. But it could be, but it's not like I can't imagine is like just because. They pushed Kofi and it got over at a Sunday night, pay per view. That's not one of the big fork tent. Poles. They wanted him to get over puts his does that does that make WWE look at him and go, oh, the crowd reaction on this one show in the crowd rational social media was so strong than we're going to go with them. Now, it's not usually in their wheelhouse to take a mid card wrestler like that and do that with a usually they will. And they did it nine years ago with him when he got over and to me he got over stronger ninety years ago with Randy Orton and massive Square Garden than than than this, and he got over strong here too. And they cut him off. You know, they they they didn't have on television next week. And they just well we got another plan, and he's not part of it. And. We're gonna left which moment go by could this be? Well, let me ask this as a base base for the question. How much of what you're seeing with Kofi is similar in. How much is different than with Becky Lynch or in and actually led to it to Daniel Bryan six years ago? Well, I think that. What's different about it is, and yeah, it's also weird to tell them the same story with with Kofi case they deal with Becky Lynn of my question. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, but that's weird. But I think that that key Lynch and Daniel Bryan, the the organic nature of it came over a longer period of time. This was, you know, everybody respected Kofi Kingston because he you know, there's a lateral spec. Thick and he's he's a very good wrestler. But he's an he's in the mid card and a top mid card act with the with the new day that lucrative, and but he plays a role there. But it his hottest as Becky like Jesus. Do you look at this out? Be like, oh, this is Becky over, you know, I don't because because this was this to me was we need the guy we picked was going to. To face. Daniel Bryan got hurt we need somebody quickly. Whether it's Daniel Bryan suspect it was. But because it seems to me like, Dan LeBron's picking people. He would that he respects that he'd like to work with but he had to one gauntlet match on on television at did work at did get over. But Randy Orton Randy like step to the front, and then and then they decided to like on the be show to have him put on a strong, a strong challenge to Dan, O'Brien and lose. And I just think this is one of those things where they got a contender over because and the guy got himself over and so two Daniel Bryan get him over in two weeks. That's different from people are really starting to get behind. No one was getting behind Kofi Kingston in this role. Didn't seem like it was even possible to do that. Because he was he was part of the new day team that was over in a different place on the card. So Becky Lynch was organic Daniel Bryan was very organic. And it was it was the work that he was doing with the shield as the shield was bumping around for him showing what a strong offense. I got had and people started really relating to it. And it was there was and there was a pushback on both on both Becky Lynch and Daniel Bryan that no matter what they say. That was. We were geniuses. And this was we were going to end up with Daniel Bryan at wrestlemania we all pitched in to make it happen. They didn't want it to happen. They pushed against it in the booking, and this is a manufactured push back. You know, this is this is this man is doing this as an angle to get over. I'm case. And that's that's all different. So not as organic, and it may still work just as well, or it may still work better. Maybe the guy just catches on firing. And it's really a phenomenon. But the right now to me, it's an it's the third one. So I'm thinking, I don't know. I it's Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the hi, Jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool. So when it's like tell us what you want to pay. Hey trombone goes, blah, blah, blah. And you say we'll help you find Carbajal actions, but fit your budget. Then we just all do finger snaps while a choir goes, savings coming at ya. 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Because what I asked he's kind of foundation for this question is Vince McMahon trying to recreate but have control of it and say, I did it on purpose. What he what what the fan perception is with Becky, including the announcement of I'm taking the match putting Charlotte in Becky brought it on herself. You know, we've talked about that on on on Tuesday night on smackdown. They actually in commentary Senate, you know, we'll Becky brought it on Kofi didn't do anything like this is so unfair. Because with Becky she was pushing the limits of nuit, we're Kofi of just going about his business about to sign a contract. But nevertheless is this part of a storyline. Perhaps. We're Vince McMahon is going to try to co op the reputation for not pushing the fans choice by manufacturing situations where he doesn't push the fans choice and sabotages them. And that's part of some larger storyline involving McMahon. And now with Petit STA it looks like triple h will be the baby face could this be heading towards in might this be a smart way to head towards. A power struggle in WWE where hunter become sort of the fan. The pro fan. Authority figure going against Vince McMahon who keeps undercutting who the fans want is is that a worthwhile story to do or disaster in waiting. I'm not crazy about anymore of people who are not wrestlers whether or not being the center piece of the biggest storylines who controls the promotion we've seen too much of that it doesn't work very well anymore. And it's been a long time since it had like years and years and years. So I'm not crazy about it in that sense. I do think that WWE has stumbled over away that they're so bad at getting over baby faces they're so bad at getting baby faces up and running that that you really that the majority of the fans just get behind. And and so they've been part of it is because they can't let people be they can't let people they they don't believe in baby faces saying I wanna prove that I'm better than you beating you head up. It's got to be baby faces are stupid when they get jumped by three by three of his cronies because that. Guy is that guy is more proactive. He is making more he's making more of his opportunity. And it doesn't matter. How you win a just that you win. And they tell that story too often. And it hurts benefits. But I think they they think they stumbled over a way to manipulate their audience to manipulate the WWE universe as it were the core audience by. By putting some to somebody to the front that the fans they think the fans would respect and like and then pulling the rug out from from them in the storyline. Like, they did with Becky Lynch like they did with Kofi Kingston like they did a couple of years ago with annual Ryan, and and then. And then the fans are furious. And they giving them the stalking course of Charlotte flare even even Roman reigns. And and. Or Kevin Owens and then. Having the people go against the go against the management and and put the person put their favourite into the match. That's the only it's like the only story they've got left that's affected at all getting over a baby face, and it's pretty pathetic. Because because that story you can't just do that over and over again to make any faces you've got to make those good guy for tax. You've got to just naturally. Do it. You've got to you can't just you can't just have the inept, you know. You know, overbearing? Promotion, or the, you know, the management do that each time. And so that was where I was kind of surprised where it was just like is this the only story they've got left, you know. It's three in a row, and you can't really point to. I guess you can point to styles as a baby face got over as a baby face. But he really didn't have a story. Just he was good. And he started winning, and he stopped cheating, and that didn't cheat and that kind of thing, but that very much that's about it. So yeah, I'd and I don't think the dynamic like I don't think they want to do the dynamic ashamed that man versus triple h because it's cuts too close to the bone. And I don't think they want to do the dynamic even though maybe they should. Of triple h. Feuding as the paternal baby face. Pat, all the wrestlers on the head. Good guy boss, who's who's warring within this week man, who's the out of it old guard because the new guard has to win and what I see going on this. Visit man is like I talked about this Zach Hagedorn for VIP members. But this man is like out Davis of the Oakland Raiders who was so successful, but he hung on like grim death to that job of running and owning and general managing the Oakland Raiders. And they never they recovered to this day. And to me, I don't think man's going to allow even his son in law to have the storyline progression of pushing him out the door. And if he does the push him out the door. What's the point? I I don't see Vincent man wanting the final chapter of his K fehb leadership to be that he was forced out by a young guard because he was incompetent. I don't think. That's what they want. Now that. You know, it's the twenty fifth amendments scenario that could happen in real life. It could also happen in storyline mode. But they'd have to be some sort of payoff. Storyline wise if into Dorset it that led to him being the hero. And I don't know how they get from that. Lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. Let's go tickling the ivories. He just saved. By bundling home and auto progressive gonna finally by a ring for that gal of yours Hugo send dolences. There's nice treat. There's. In my. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. 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But he hasn't had exactly grueling schedule going rotating tag matches with comedy the last handful of years, his his body might not be as beat up as other guys who work singles matches all these years is this sort of in. We all go back to Rick Steiner back in the day. No, he's really young and had been around nearly as long at that point in W W, but why not just go. Let's get four five years out of Kofi as a top guy is he that if you just decided to do it in got behind him. Can he be along the lines of a Bret Hart a guy who you watch go through the tag team ranks, and then the secondary singles title ranks in the fans around the on the journey with them, and they just really love and appreciate an embrace the story that he just got better. And he found a way to become a top tier world champ. Sian is that even in the realm of something you would consider if you were making some decisions regarding Kofi future and WWE well as far as could he be a top guy like AJ style. So I mean, it's like what I'm saying. Yeah. Really quality the quality wrestler who gives you that main of that the people respect that can hold his own in that championship spot. We haven't seen them in singles matches. But what we seen lately? Yes. And and he's benefited from not only like you said, you know, working as working in six man's and tag matches and being inside China. Trying to reap side, but he's also benefited from not being a singles wrestler in the mid card of WWE where you have the even Steven fifty fifty matches where you're way you're losing one week. And then the next week the other guy gets his turn, and nobody really comes out of this out of the bog that they're stuck in. And he hasn't had the he hasn't had the different gimmicks that didn't fit him kind of weighing down where people get used to seeing him as a mid card singles wrestler. They're used to seeing him as a top as the top part of the top tacking that you know, and maybe under pushed the perception of being under. But not job out. He could do because he was always show. You things you show. You glimpses of of a guy you thought God that guy could be good. You know that guy could be a good single star. So yeah, I think that's they I don't think as h work. Against him. Yet is getting to that point. But it's too. I think he would be someone that that WWE pushes the as one of the faces of the company. No. But I think I think that he could be if if the if the dominos fall the right way for them, and they don't screw it up. And they even give them the chance because I don't know. I don't know still where this all goes. Yeah, he could be that he could be that AJ styles time and I've seen a range with him like some people play the clown goofball the mid card tag team comedy act, but there's more to them. And I think he don't more to him some people play that he's someone who I think has more to them from what I've seen in glimpses. I think he can convey a wider range of emotion and more serious emotions. And frankly, I think big Xavier to biggie. I'm not sure yet because he's he just hands it up in such a way where I don't know if people even take them seriously trying to be super serious, but I didn't with Kofi. They would. I mean, he's not. A mid twenties guy anymore. He's he's like a kid who's just excited with some good athleticism. He's been through a lot. He has a story to tell. He's been on a journey. And I think he can back it up with fired up baby face traditional promos. And I've kinda crave that that simple story of genuinely organically popular baby face fending off he'll challenges when that baby faces more of an underdog not Braun strowman not Roman reigns. I don't think Seth Rollins is great at playing the vulnerable underdog role. I think he's sort of in this between zone that hasn't quite. I mean, there's moments where they could have written it. But it went to Benazir is an underdog I would have been as just a red hot really athletic worker who fans just get to behind because he's excited to be champion with Kofi. He's just big enough and just credible enough. And I think a good enough actor and good at showing fire in the ring. I think you could ride that for just do it for nine months. I don't think every time. You crown a champion. It has to be because you're committed to them. The top guy for the next seven eight years. And he can I think have good run that might be on the level of AJ AJ did, but fresher I think people would look forward to tuning into sea Kofi journey and how long would it last? I think that's a story in the palm of their hand that I don't want them to screw up because it was unexpected or they get cute with it. I think it's an organic story, and they should go with it and not complicate it. I know they gotta fill TV time fill it with Kofi Kingston, cutting spirited baby-faced promos in lining appeals for him to knock down. Yeah. I mean, you could definitely do that. And I'm he does show that and that was why I was kind of disappointed in that moment where those guys left because that was the to me that was the moment. And hopefully, we'll see that moment, you know, in in the weeks to come where they go from being, you know, we're here to entertain you too. Grown men championship rustler's, particularly Kofi. And it just didn't see it seemed like just seemed like they were just complaining under their breath and leaving and that that's the worst. So yeah. Yeah. He's got he's got that there, and it is because of it is because of the fans took to that two week push. And that was. That was the idea was to make Kofi in defeat with Daniel, Bryan. And that real, and they did a really good job with that and make Daniel Bryan be continue to be a credible credible. He'll champion whose hard to be what you want to see him beaten. And and so, yeah, I mean, I think that I think that the least will have out of this as Kofi Kingston as a challenger whom down the line and bound Alon not so long from now on could be that WWE champion, and and have have a chapter the way. Daniel bronze having a chapter right now playing playing what you described as a baby face champion that that people like, and and think is think authentic. I've of another question on on Kofi, and then we move on. But would you right now endorse if you can only push one guy as top AB face for the next nine months? You're just going to run it through the fall. And that's kind of what's pencil then and you're gonna tell the nine months story arc and then kind of evaluate as you go. If you need to shorten it. Or maybe you run it longer, but kind of plan something eight nine months out Kofi Kingston, W W B champ on smackdown. Baby-faced knocking down he'll opponents coming after him or Kevin Owens who's been gone for a while fans that there's a bigger fans kind of the guys who were Boone Roman reigns and boo John CENA, they like Kevin what's he's got into cred. He's quick witted. He's he's exciting. But he doesn't look perfect in a way that maybe doesn't endear himself in certain ways. Even though he's a great athlete a lot of things working towards him. And he's just different than the normal guy, Vince pushes and right now that might ended up itself be a big advantage for fans. Do you go with Kevin Owens is the every man or a different type of baby-faced push for him and ride that for nine months because you have that fresh. Nece of him having been gone for a while. But when he last was around fans are kind of siding with him Stroman, and a lot of cases because that was booked so poorly, which which is more compelling. What's more fertile ground for you, eight nine months, Kevin Owens, it'd be champ or Kofi? I'm like, it's a false choice. I would I think you could do it. I think we've both in and out and time against each other to I. I, you know, I would you want to have contenders and champions that you could that you could use and using different ways to keep everything fresh and Kofi as a fresh act as a singles wrestler, and and Kevin Owens's now too because he's had that time off where people forgot that. He was hiding in the how the porta potty from from bronze Stroman, and it also the fact that the guy can talk and so can Kofi. If given that opportunity they can. Those are the guys that can recreate themselves. Tough. If you had to choose in this false choice between one or the other. 'cause no, no, no. I'm not making you choose the let me finish. If you had to choose between, the two in your forced to what you're saying is I don't like that. I think it's a false choice. But if you force me to choose it's not an easy call there. There's good there's call. I would want both. Yeah. That's that's maybe choose. I guess I could choose, but I wouldn't want both of them. And I think both of them. There's. One doesn't preclude the other. And all it's not what they the same type. So it's not like, you gotta Brom straw. You. Gotta Braun strowman. And then you've got this other monster who has to be pushed in the same way right there. Those guys are flexible and versatile in their acts. And so they be dent push them. Both the stylized lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. Moon. Let's go to cling the ivories. He just saved. By bundling home and auto progressive gonna finally by a ring for that gal of yours Ugo send him oh condolences. Nice to treat. There's. In my. 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First two thousand eighteen thank you for downloading the show today. If you missed yesterday Todd Martin was on for the flagship, and we talked about a lot of these same topics and others. We got a lot of good emails coming up for today's co host. And that is Bruce Mitchell, he's been a pro wrestling torch newsletter columnist since nineteen ninety and we've been podcasting since late two thousand four we do believe in no one's provided evidence to the contrary, which means it must be true that we are the second longest running. The Bruce Mitchell audio show is the second longest running weekly podcast on any subject anywhere. We were doing it. Bruce before the word podcast was even a thing because it's was born from ipods and. People were burning your shows onto CD ROM or CDs to listen in their car because we didn't have the podcast universe. That's been built up since. Then so good Debbie on the show with the second of any subject that makes us the number one weekly longest running wrestling podcasts easily of anything. Absolutely. Absolutely. So normally, we do we talk Tuesday's actually for VIP members in review, raw and then on weekends. Sometimes we do single topic. If there's one big thing or will run down a lot of other miscellaneous current events. And then oftentimes we also do a mailbag four, Bruce which oftentimes is more historical in nature this on the mailbag the weight Keller podcast for very topical very current events based. And so that's what we're looking for here. And I'm looking forward to seeing what the listeners want us to talk about Bruce. So why don't we dive into really excited to do this? I've actually this show in particular after auditioning for the show on Twitter. For a number of months now. So it's great to finally like beyond the other side. Yeah. And I don't even resting up your vocal chords for weeks for this. Away. Now, you've you're you've been doing one podcast after another. I this is my marathon day for podcast, and I'm not gonna say spent any time yelling kids today either. So yeah, my voices. My voice is ready to get excellent. Okay. So let's go to a second Email, and that is from dean from Tasmania Australia. How awesome is that? My. My question relates to annex t is a fan struggle with the main roster shows is they lose my interest. I usually watch someone for medics. He's called up to see what's going to happen to them. And and usually it's nothing in any connection with the character. Pro wrestler has gone, and then I stopped watching. Why does the main roster get it so wrong is it because of the journey has already happened. So the fans who don't watch annexed aren't connected to this progress or like the next fan is a prime example. She was a scrappy underdog who was always beaten up and picked on by the heels, and you got to go on this journey with her to her standing up for herself eventually winning the women's title. Then when she was on the main roster. It's this is Bailey, you cheer her no story. No, character development, nothing. Go VIP. It's worth it. PW torch, VIP info dot com. If you're trusting VIP membership on you wanna take dean's advice on Bruce. Yeah. I mean, Bailey's a great example of it last this came back up again last week with the the cavalier clunky. Debuts of four annex t wrestlers after kind of botching EC three an unfortunate circumstance with LARs Sullivan. And and heavy machinery, I guess kind of landing where people thought they would spend about. And of course, Lacey Evans, hasn't really fully blossomed into what she's going to be. But you can see hurt her direction that they're going with her. But the other four was sudden there wasn't it wasn't coordinated. Well, and and it's been kind of clunky. Although it seems like our guy no Champa kind of pulled away from the main roster and ricochet analysis black are going to be regulars going forward. But who knows it's week to week? We'll see what is it. I think he's onto something about the journey. I think when wrestler show up and they've already been on a journey. It's this tough called you retail the journey or do you? Just assume the audience knows that if you do the people writing for those wrestlers don't know those wrestlers, well, and it's not really a continuation of the journey. They haven't figured this out yet. No, they haven't and Zach tonight. I went really in-depth about this about the situation behind the scenes that that this. This to me is something really important that's going on in W W A. And it's there is a there is an talked about this for a while too. But like I said we really wanted to with that call as you say clunky. Call up at the four, and it's the top four C rustler's and just not the key was sick man, not telling triple h that he was going to do that. And and kind of just saying, hey, this is an. The purpose of annex t at least in the beginning was to be of was to develop talent that would be ready for raw smackdown. And that's not quite how it's worked. There are. Through smackdown and raw there's plenty of acts that have come exte-. But there's not plenty of acts that that have really come in with momentum. Or really come to the top of the promotion the way the top axes what you really looking for. If you're wrestling promotion you want to develop and and there's a disconnect between annex t and exceed runs a see the top of the promotion was Gargano and Champa and a very compelling fight between these two former teammates and best friends, and we've in and out and made sense, and it was really, emotional and and. There. But but those two and it size as much as anything don't fit. What the boss of Ron smackdown? Wants to see at the top of show. So they they segue into the mid card and a tag team division. That is not a very serious division. And these are serious tot champion axe revivals like this to the revival did a great job of being world tag team champions at the top of promotion in the next T, and then came to and then there was no real place for that kind of act in on Rauch MAC down. And that's where you know. That's the problem. And so when you're if you're an NFC fan, and you've seen this journey what really should happen as a seamless segue unto the red and blue brands, and it doesn't happen that way, there's an enormous one hour as well planned, and well, well, laid out and produced, and then you get into you get into a promotion, that's a lot sillier a lot more broad broad based humor. And then it's. Then the detail work doesn't matter because nobody can remember the philosophies nobody can remember two weeks ago because the old man, that's that's running at can't remember two weeks ago what he book and it's and they're booking five hours booking five hours. And it's a man. That's not delegating. Very well. Even though he's got a huge staff. Yeah. That's that's a major issue. Just journey and it's more than just it's a it's the AAA club. Not preparing one way to look at the AAA clubs not preparing athletes for the major league teams system of flying. And or another way to put it is. It's a major league the major league system is not as well as not as well thought out as the AAA system, and you could argue either side. Yeah, it's also writing the first half of a TV series with one set of writers. And then the actors go to a whole do set writers who haven't been been close attention to what got them to where they are to the to the next season or the next part of the season. Let's be let's let's leave more specific this man does not follow in exte- very closely. Right, right. But you got a whole group writers. And it's Vince doesn't need to watch exte- to bring somebody up and sit down and in ten minutes be surrounded by table. The writers who do watch annex t have AAA. John conference call with a couple of the top next. He writers and go how she'll be do this. That's old professional would do it that a professional professional organized. Experience would say we have this really expensive elaborate developmental system. And when it's time to bring guys up we want a smooth transition because thirty to sixty percent of our audience knows who these guys are pretty well. But there's another thirty to sixty or whatever the numbers are who peripherally know them or don't limit all and ten percent. Like, definitely don't know them. How do we handle this and come up with a system? I mean for years. I mean, not twenty years all that's all fine. And you write number one one what you're talking about. You have to assume that the axe that you're doing this with from annexed. Exte- are the type of access you want at the top of WWE. And that's what I'm saying is apparently not apparently the top guys, it's not the type of acsi wants. And so you have this disconnect. But the also, but the other part of it is that's all fine and good. But look what Visser man look Hooverism and hired last week. He hired comfort food. He had a guy that was not part of any of these systems that went back to the old days. And that could you know that had his view of wrestling and all the things that he did. And it's too early to tell I white shirt for those who are what we're catching the, you know. You know, what fingerprints are coming from Bruce Prichard? But it's he didn't visit Matt didn't hire to do. What you what you're suggesting that actually makes a lot more sense. He went back. He he hired someone to widen the gap not to not to bring, you know, not to bring it make things more seamless as he was going along. And no an ad from dad. All right. Save money on car insurance when you bundle home and auto with progressive. Gotta take these right? What is this? Wow. Where did you get this? I'm talking to you with the hair. Yeah. Where did you get this? Good stuff. Solid. That's not veneer that solid stuff. Progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates in other insurance discounts not available in all states or situations. And no an ad from dad. All right. Save money on car insurance when you bundle home and auto with progressive. Gotta take these off. Right. What is this? Good. Wow. Where did you get this? I'm talking to you with the hair. Yeah. Where did you get this? Good stuff. Solid. That's not veneer that solid stuff. Progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto. Progressive casualty insurance company Phillies. Another insurance discounts not available in all states or situations. In part of this too. We can play Vince. But triple h wants an x t to be the third international touring bread. And he has wanted that for a while. He's stated that. So I don't know how sincere triple h is in his effort to groom wrestlers that trip that Vincent man will like in bring them along a journey to a point where the story next is now they've graduated to the main roster in an ideal world that would be happening somewhere within WWE's ecosystem. But instead annexed t tends to tell the full journey story. And they do it with wrestlers that Vincent man that don't necessarily have the traits offensive man wants to push. And sometimes they hoard the wrestlers who are better for longer than would make sense because they're fully ripe by the time. They get to WWE, and the story has already been told and a big chunk your audience has already seen it, and it's hard to than it shouldn't be as hard as it is. College and those another part of this which is a third brand. It's hard to tell looking at WD financials, whether this third rand is sustaining itself at the very least it's hard to tell. And it seems like an how do you do that? So triple h critically wrestling fans that like inex- tea, and and folks in our business respect and exte- and the four shows a year, the takeover shows are very successful in any way that you measure the money, or you know, or content or or however it is, but they are also propped up by the idea that that there's a major group of wrestling fans who are in the mood to watch wrestling who are going to a big wrestling show the day after who who will also a significant portion of them are willing to spend some more money to pay. To get in it makes it a leisure when you've got. And then you've got the next t armory shows that aren't exactly taking the world over as far as success as far as tickets goes their successful on a small level. So there's a lot of moving pieces in this. There's. Bow side. Yeah. And so and then also you've got a seventy three year old, man. And you've got a man approaching his fifties. Who had to be thinking his time would have already started. And that's that's a unique unique circumstance and that they're not really on the same page for for a long while I've talked about this real early on within that. It was clear to me that exceed was was not only there to develop wrestlers for Ron smackdown. And no one saw the third brand thing coming, but it was, but it was there to get over triple h as competent handler of talent story lawns. And and everything he would need to be as he moved into takeover from visit man. And now it now really does look like the the incumbent eight leaving no matter what. And that. The that puts the heir to the throne and a very interesting places. He Prince Charles or is he Vincent Kennedy McMahon after Vincent j McMahon sold them, the competent in his hunter content with building an x t s the third international touring brand within hands off getting critical praise and working under less pressure than being the guy trying to produce five hours a TV on the main roster. And is he does he seem like that type to you? I can't rule it out because I think he's got enough creative freedom, and there's been enough growth within exte-, and he has a vision that he's gets to talk about in play out about about there being these annexed. Territories. And I I think he's been given enough of a slice of freedom and budget and exposure through the network and Hulu for that matter to feel like he's not just being hidden somewhere. So no, I don't think he thinks he's being hidden somewhere. But triple h has always been a guy who put himself at the front of the line. So I don't think I don't think that, hey, I've got this cool niche is that guy I think that guy is like I want to run the whole thing. And that's why I mean, he married in the family. Let's face it for love. But that's why that's what I've been working toward my whole life. And it's my time. I don't see him going. Oh, it's okay. And I'll I'll go over here play in the sandbox, and I have enough money, and I have enough control. When I looked really comfortable life. I don't buy that that he's I buy it. He's got to be chafing at this point. Yeah. Okay. Let's let's move next to O'Brien. What are your thoughts on John CENA? Putting over Samoa Joe at wrestlemainia this year in serious storyline. That would hopefully finally catapult joked into a title run. That's been long overdue understand. He says some injuries and Vince lakes, reliable guys. But I think that's dead and gone, and he needs to pull the trigger because he constantly Joe constantly delivers on the Mike. And in the ring he's got a question team dream next to but I on KOMO job. I mean, Joe Tomo Kofi at his age getting a push Joe came to the main roster older than Kofi is now and has had a visited the top tier at a world title, Ron, but it has felt sort of starting stop in this feels like he's as cold as he's been as a character in terms of you would think if events saw him as a true truly a top tier guy. He would be doing. He would have been treating him in position them differently since his his run with AJ. So Wood Johnson coming in and Joe doing a hill program, and beating seena be an elevation of Joe that would give you a couple years of Joe at a higher level. Yeah. I don't think that's how you do it. I don't think that I don't think that beating John seen at wrestlemainia as the move anymore. I think John CENA is now is the legend, you know, the greatest the greatest WB wrestler of all time or having you know, whatever it is saying grace w superstar, blah, blah, blah. And that he when he comes to wrestlemainia knew they did the comedy stuff where he basically got squashed by undertaker. But now, I would just say that the legend wins his match and the legend losing his match for the most part against a he'll decisively to set up the heel for a long run that psychology doesn't work that. Well, it's more of a it can be a Downer to see the guy this great acted this great champion who won all the time. Now, he's passed as prime and. And he lost in a place where he would have won. I I don't I don't buy that. I've talked a lot about this over the years written about it that it's not as simple as just passing the torch is not well now, it's your turn to lose you lose. And the guy you lose to gets gets gets what you had added to what he has any moves on. It'd be great. If it was that way. But it's not in the psychology of it all has to be in the right place. I think that if you're going to elevate Joe and Joe's great promo, and he's credible. As all get out in the ring his age and his. Is agent as miles as far as his career goes baby work against them a little bit. But again, you get him. He needs a title run. Like he's like he's made is challenges lost. He needs a toddle run. And if you really going to elevate them from where he is. And he needs to hold that title for a while. And I'm not talking about intercontinental intercontinental title, the US title, and he needs to hold that title for a while. And then it's the question of can he can he? Can he do that without being injured? Can he do that with that? But he's got you know, he's got made of that wrestler. You know, he's got made about wrestler, and guys that people respect and light more than he's pushed, and those are two very strong things that where you could elevate them because people recognize that he's better than God does then he's ever been pushed in his career pretty much because he spent all those years TNA, and and then even in WWE they've done a better job with them. But they haven't pulled the trigger on the way. And he's you know, he's championship rustling material. And they have gotten over the fact that he is that way with a different type of like now's the time that you can have the different bodies. Besides the. Besides the action figure bodies where the get over and get over with this ransom to right? Yeah. And no an ad from dad. All right. Save money on car insurance when you bundle home and auto with progressive. Gotta take these right? What is this? Good. Wow. Where did you get this? I'm talking to you with the hair. Yeah. Where did you get this? Good stuff. Solid. That's not veneer that solid stuff. Progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurance discounts not available in all states or situations. Let's say you just bought a house bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll proudly mow the lawn and give anybody noticed you the lawn till people to stay off the lawn compare it to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to mow the lawn again, good news is it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive and save on your car insurance. Which of course, we'll go right into the lawn. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurers discount not available in all stages situations. All right, good. His second. Question is quick. I'm curious. Both your opinions about between Davisville or one of my favorite wrestlers on annex g and what am I top one of my top favorites of all of WWE? I've liked them ever since tough enough, which I thought he should have won audio think you should be utilized when he finally gets called up so along these lines bristle augment to Oprah question. And he adds love the podcast. Appreciate your time. Thank you, Brian. I think velveteen dream has a chance to be that that guy from annex t who Vince Vince loves and he gets treated well, and he's not a fun Dongo. He's somebody who or no way Jose that. There's more of a Randy savage esque path for him as a top icon ick wrestler, once he gets called up for four to eight years or longer baby. That's where I think he is. And I think he's proven it in the ring, and he's going to be a product of WWE for the most part, and they can take pride in that your thoughts. I think that I think it's all this is a generic answer. But it really is the answer is when velva tring velveteen -treme comes into raw smackdown that he comes in not in the middle of the car that he's not programmed with however is active. He's not programmed to win and lose with even the top. Nick Carter said he's treated as something special that that his appearances special that his ring entrance fits into everything. He does the flamboyancy and that he is someone where it's not just the title picture or doesn't even have to be the title pitcher. But he is working with top stars and having matches that have consequence with them. And that he's. And they were all talking about him that their video pack is about them that all the things that you do to have a top star. And that he also can handle all that not just in the ring but emotionally and professionally and. That's how you do it. And I think that he is definitely a candidate for that. And I think that also he's a candidate to be to fall out and be a found Dongo if he's if he's put in the bid card and just a gimmick guy who's who can. And it would be it would fund ongo may have been you know, may have had the career that he should have have Tyler breeze. Maybe had the career on in on the main roster that he should have had maybe not particularly Tyler breeze. Maybe not. But but this guy he could be that top guy, but it is and how you handle them and from the beginning to not the Olis' get them out there. And then let's see if they take to them or not. And then we'll push this one this guy. Yes to be like know, ready savage came in and immediately, and they did it with nobody else immediately. Every manager in in WWE that was a manager manager heavy at the time was bidding on his services. So that made him seem like a big deal. He wasn't beaten. And then the surprise of this Elizabeth being, you know, being the one who got him and then their onscreen chemistry. Chemistry being so good and made made that macho man overbearing macho man, he gave him somebody could be overbearing to. That's that's generic model always for wrestling. But that that I think they'll between velveteen dream is going to need to really get to get over. I think he can get lost without. All right. Very good up next Ryan from Auburn Hills. Michigan. I'll make the short and sweet W W be having their champions lose on TV for the sole purpose of establishing a new challenger is this their laziest and overall worst booking crush that. They continually go to is it multimedia matches or something else altogether. Either way it's annoying and totally values a champion and the title just to belabor the point eighty Brian's been pin? Three times on TV is WWE champion in the last two weeks alone. It's abundantly clear wins and losses. Me nothing and WWE unless your name is Brooklyn, Ronda Rousey makes it an awfully difficult. It makes it off difficult to get invested in anyone these days. Love your podcast, thanks for answering. Thanks eliciting. Ryan, bruce. Yeah. Booking crutches. And. Sort of separate and overlapping the history of having champions lose to set up title matches. Yeah. I disagree with some of this. But I mean, there's nothing wrong with establishing a contender by having him beat the champion in a non title match and some sort of title situation, tag or something. And then that's how he earns his title shot. If it's a heel champion. But what you don't want to do is do it. Maybe too often. You know, you want you want to go back to the less. Have the contenders fight it out less have another way to get to be another way to get to be contender? Your your legacy champion who returns or something? You know? It's like someone who has a track record. Let's put them in their fans. Wanna see, you know, mix it up if you have. If you have a good booking technique, but use it too often. It becomes a crutch and maybe the third time with Daniel Bryan doing doing that was one time too many or maybe two times too many. You wanna mix you wanna mix and match for one of the things Dana, Brian is he's going to be a rustling he'll champion. He's going. You're going to have the good batch, and you're going to overcome it. But what you to me what you don't want is. Rhonda, and this was a certain situations, a, bad example. But you don't want the situation where Ronda Rousey beats ruby riot in a minute and a half and just smoke, sir. And then ruby right gets a rematch because she's a name or we need another match or electric, not ready. You don't want that? You don't want. Once the he'll was the heel champion beats the the hero challenger clean. Then that should be the end of the program you've determined that the he'll that the he'll is the better, man. And he didn't have to cheat to do it. If you let if you start a program, and then you can have the heel champion somehow survive with his title through some sort of chicanery, but not frugally he's the better, man. And then use the stipulation to cut off that she she Cain or a so the chances the chance for the challenger is more fair. That's that's a story. You can tell to I I don't know that it's ruined. Daniel Bryan, though. I mean, I think it's I agree that it was used to often the one that it's ridiculous is the revival, and they're even pushing back again on on on Twitter about it. But the one because the revivals role was as a good working. Set of mechanics to put over other taxings to make them. Look good to make them look like they beat someone that was worth beating and now because of their because they yell. They wanted out of the contract. They were sick of doing that. Sick of also sick of the division. They're being that they're n being used poorly. They got their run as tag team champions went on TV, at least they're in exact saver all just the championship. They're getting beat you know, they're getting beat to to put over the new guys. And that's you know, they're getting they're good. They're getting their good matches on house shows, and they're going to chance to show what they can do. But and they're getting over on how shows but that that was there. But it's just a matter of Nixon matching the types of Ed. You're you're limited to because fans expect fans expect clean finishes. So you've got to either have those finishes that are clean in a way that fans will fans will accept. But also, you know, also leave that rematch open for the challenger. And that's that's a tricky this. Yeah. It is and a lot of TV time to fill and it's a lot of formula. That that point for sure, okay. Yeah. I mean, the challenger in champions been done or beating the champion has been done a lot, but you really need to make it memorable. And you can't have the champion lose all the time and expected to still still be still be something that counts. All right. Do you think this is Vincent from Chicago? Do you think that having the W W W B championship match taken away from Kofi Kingston is the beginning of he'll turn whether for one or all three of them. Would it even make sense for the new day to turn heel at this point, Bruce any to has that cross your mind, and how do they get there? Do they like, well if you can't beat them? Join them. I don't know you do the bitter black guys who sick of the cost over and they. Start beating up they start beating up all the white guy. So that's what you do. That's the that's the Hilton. And they and they start dressing clowns thinks and they'd stop them shocking and John and throwing pancakes. So I don't think I don't think the he'll move is what you do here. I think I don't think it's you go. The the the Pez watt. Lease mad at Jimmy valiant for calling him a great black athletes. Singling him out for for his ethnicity. And then goes enjoins. Ios and joins the boss, man. You know, go like that the new day goes and joins this McMahon and becomes become his vassals. I mean, I don't think you do. I don't think you do that. I don't think that I don't think number one. I don't know that Kofi Kingston and biggie. Maybe I mean savior, I think a play any could play he'll or face. But I don't think those guys particularly Kofi. I don't I think he's a natural Babyface. And so in this situation, this was really unfair. So I don't think you have them. I don't think you have the guy, you know, you give in I think you have the guy fight back. And I think that's what we're going to say. I don't think this is a he'll turn thing. But it also, but it's got to be a change in character. From the new day being entertaining to this is serious taking a job seriously. Having an edge caring about winning and having rations beside. Being entertaining. You know, you don't treat me that way. And that's that should be the store, and and then overcoming, overcoming this crap. And so should be diet should be the store. Yeah. Let's say you just bought a house bed. News is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll proudly mow the lawn and give anybody noticed you the lawn. Tell people to stay off the lawn compare it to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to motive on again. Good news is it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive and save on your car insurance. Which of course, we'll go right into the lawn. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurers discount not available in all states or situations. Let's say you just bought a house bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll proudly mow the lawn and give anybody noticed you the lawn. Tell people to stay off the lawn compare it to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to mow the lawn again good news is it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive and save on your car insurance. Which of course, we'll go right into the lawn. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurers discount on. In all stages situations. Alex from South Africa. There's been a lot of criticism of a how the big four from annex t have been portrayed on the main roster over the last couple of weeks. But I have a theory with eighty w on the rise, which of the WWE brands is a fan base more directly competitive with them than next with halftime, heat and the exposure of Alastair black and company on the main roster maybe fences trying to build the brand into an equal third brand and doing so having the direct more maneuverable rival to eighty w this looks like smart corporate strategy. Furthermore, the dean Ambrose angled. Yes angle. He saying may well be tactic to prove to the investors in the public when he inevitably resigns that their talent is loyal, and they have the means to hang onto them. Yes. Vince might be a crazy old, man. But he is an experienced in battle-hardened crazy old, man. Great show keep up the good work verse take it away. So you're building up your third brand by grabbing the top four guys out of nowhere without telling the guy who runs the third the third brand and putting them on your own television without a real plan prepare to get them over that video packages without any kind of thing in mind and then. You are competitive. And that makes you that makes third brand competitive with your new this new company because they have similar acts, and perhaps they will push them in similar ways. I think it's more directing that. I think that again, I talked about this was act this weekend on when we went real in in-depth on this stuff. I think this was this man got beaten out for four top stars in a way. He's never been beaten out as far as. As far as bidding bidding for contracts and didn't get them. And that was the young bucks, Cody Rhodes, and and Kenny omega and he put the real he put real resources into it and lost and his reaction was I gotta show everybody that we've got new talent coming in. That's every bit as good as those guys. In fact, they're better and not only that we already had. And that's and that was part of what you saw here. And yes, it was a yes raw smackdown for some insane reason have don't didn't have an also injuries and some bad luck. Don't don't have the depth that you think they might have. And so they did that it was there's no plan with this and the truth matters eight w if they're going to succeed, and we don't know if they're going to or not it still is let's just. They succeeded at this stage. Now, the next stage is the television contract succeed at that stage. Then the next day is actually producing content that will draw enough of a rating to to bring enough people into the tent to sell and then successfully sell to and there's a lot of these things that they they have to show that they can do. And they're not there yet. But, but if they are there, they're not competing with an exte- as a niche, they're competing as they're competing with WWE. A as a whole that's the goal. That's the that's the thing. They are. So. So yeah, I don't I don't buy all of this. And then as far as the Ambrose goes, I don't buy a master plan. Either. Dean adverse was frustrated. It's clear watching him. You know, it was clear. It was clear in the angle. They put him in with healing on run races cancer. Flopped. It was clear and how he delivered things. And so, and it's also clear that there's that he's not the only one and that there's there's now there's alternatives for people. You know that they can not only just look at money. They can look at on their schedules. They can look at where they are in their careers and the contract just rolled over for Matt hardy and Jeff hardy, and they're going along with it w probably is a better place for them. Then then w yeah, there's us. But there's also there's also. Pock where the where the better place for him. He in his estimate was was a W. So and other guys like that. So Ambrose, I don't I don't see that as this master manipulation. There's this. Tickly for people who grew up with Vincent man, providing their wrestling, providing their major league main of that wrestling to think of the man as this master manipulator all the time. And when things go when things fall into place forum that he didn't manipulate give him credit for the manipulations. And yet to the winter goes the spoils, but and you get the money whether you plan for it or not if things work out for you. And that's what's happened with these cable TV contracts, but I don't I don't buy into that. I don't buy inevitable. Evitable dean avarice reciting. It certainly is a possibility. But. And those that the report this week that the Roman reigns. Your leader in the locker room as well. You know, I'll take care of that as far as the adverse goes, we'll see. But I've been told I've been told don't count on that working. Right, right. I mean. Yeah, we'll see. But you can't. But I would certainly not cannot be in a master manipulation to show that the to show that the the talent and WWE as loyal to WW a lot. There's a lot of wrestlers would like to be out of there. And there's a lot of wrestlers who if thanks if the money was competitive, not even more would but the competitive with the schedule and the. The ability to be a part of a create to to be more fault in their own creative directions. Day would leave. And so, you know, some of wealth and some of them would like to and we'll find out we'll gamble and find out that there's not a place for them. And that's that's part of the two. So, yeah, this is a much more wide open than just this a master manipulator, and he's the God of wrestling. He's he's a he's the most successful promoter ever. That's what he is. Yes. Okay. Up next Zack in Texas. Hey, wait, a Bruce. I'm curious for BRUCE'S take on Wade's twenty-fifth amendment. Storyline idea with Vince McMahon, Vince has made a Radic your rational unilateral decisions which have undercut his children and son-in-law I with Becky Lynch and now with Kofi Kingston DC Shane Stephanie and hunter revolting against Vince on Ron next week as the Cassie created with the women's title situation comes to a head and anything you want to add to that. Guess we really did cover that quite a bit earlier. Well, I'd be thinking as far as the story line goes. Yeah. That is where they're heading. We kind of talked about triple h versus man. But I. It's more going to be the reasonable young generation versus the old man who's making these arbitrary decisions. And and it's going to play out. You know, it's not going to have a conclusion. That's that's kind of my sense of was going in. And maybe Shane is the he'll somehow in this because that was that was the plan before. But maybe they change their mind about it. And Vince Vince play the the he'll win the role. I could see as far as twenty. What what am I su-? What I'm assuming is. I have no idea why you'd be thinking about the twenty fifth amendment. They stays. But as far as you know. To someone common. Does a white truck. Pull up and guys in white suits come out with butterfly net. And chase Vincent mad and and put the butterfly net alma drag off, and and that's the end of the Mr McMahon cart. I mean, the recent man character, I tend to doubt that for the reasons that I said before and also I think that the most effective thing to do would be to tone back on these general manager's way back and just have, you know, have a figure not an confident Jack Tunney figure but have a figure that was quietly confident that would come in and make matches when those matches needed to be made and would make storyline driven decisions. But wouldn't be on television all the time, and that it would go back to this would be about chasing championships, and and settling grudges between rustler's and not even tell story about overthrowing this overthrowing, Mr McMahon and stuff, man. You know, the stuffing a man being consistently nice person who pats the wrestlers on the head. Instead of a mean person who who takes their on takes their their fight away from you know, just just just move away from that you need a story. Just just go to go to the stars the stars while you're there and the stars are in these fights. You wanna see and they wanna see how their careers, go one way or the other. And it's about the rustler's God forbid. Yeah. Exactly. Wherever you go. However, you go for energy on the go. It's got to be five hour energy it works fast. It works long. It tastes good and was hero sugar and four calories. There's nothing holding you back fits your pocket fits your backpack. Fits your on the go life. Whether you're going to work going on vacation or just going out with friends five hour energy energy on the go. For more information. Visit five hour energy dot com. Wherever you go. However, you go for energy on the go, and it's got to be five hour energy it works fast. It works long. It tastes good. And with zero sugar and four calories. There's nothing holding you back fits your pocket fits your backpack. Fits your on the go life. Whether you're going to work going on vacation or just going out with friends five hour energy energy on the go. For more information. Visit five hour energy dot com. Okay. Everybody says I used to think I loved triple threat matches. So when I started listening to your show Wade, I was confused to hear you not like them after listening to your reasons and looking at wrestling with a different perspective now mouth Pinon changed. This brings me to the Becky Rhonda, Charlotte situation. I thought this could be the exception to the one on one rule. But after the last few episodes a television, I'm back to wanting one on one, but I want to see Becky against Charlotte. Rhonda's the one who feels like a third wheel. Now. Becky's a great face. Charlotte's great. He'll Rana just feels really cold at this point. I'm Bruce in addition to that that specifically what do you think of the social media what's going on between Becky and Rhonda, especially Rhonda, especially Rhonda's comebacks to Becky this week. You know, you can sit there and parse through. Those those tweets, and you can look at the parts for Rhonda's kind of out of control saying that she's real and Becky spay, and and and the arm bar cracks in the real personal personal parts of it and go Rhonda's messing up and that and that the appearances that that these who really don't like each other. I think that this is number one. I think that w eight clearly knows what they're doing and giving them the freedom to do it. But here's here's where I think it's great. And I think it supersedes all the, you know, the the death of thousand cuts you could do with everyone of these tweets, including the fake work being used is that you get the impression that these two do not like each other. And that Rhonda in particular might snap and kill Becky Lynch in their match. And that's always been the key. Whether it's the attitude era or the the air airway now or the era of anybody in professional wrestling that has always been the key to getting people to buy a ticket. What if it's not even is it real? Or is it fake? It's just that possibility of something. I can I can dig by. I can dig by teeth into in your meal that this is a fight. And that I can and that I can suspend my disbelief a little bit. And there's this little part of me in the back of my mind that goes what if I know it's not? But what if this is that one time, I can't miss that? I've got to see that. And so this to me is using social media, really? Well, i'm. I am for this one hundred percent because of that should should they tone back a little bit on the on the the fakery fake stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But but does it sound authentic to me do Bo sound off in it to me in their dislike for their for each other? Yeah. I yeah. They do. And that's what counts, and it doesn't even matter to me if they're sitting in a room going, you say this, and I'll say this. This is great. Holy crap. I don't wanna I don't wanna find want to hear about that necessarily. I don't want them to tweet necessarily about that our show it to me on a WWE special. Now, if if I get wind of it, and and I get two sources in its in this credible. And and I would afford it that don't get me wrong. But it's, but as far as them reporting, it, I don't wanna know about you know, it's like I don't wanna see it on a special on a special two road to wrestlemainia after the show that they were they were great friends Daniel Daniel Daniel, Bryan, MS did a hell of a job on on talking smack going places that felt legit. And that you may people kind of uncomfortable and made it seem legit that that Daniel, Bryan. It'd be uncomfortable with what MS was saying and vice versa. But well Rousey is WWE's top paid star going on Twitter today or yesterday by the time people listen to this. Saying this is Rhonda Becky f word you mean, fake fake like your nonsensical BS quote, arm bar that doesn't even work and just looks like you're holding the D, And she didn't say that you wish you had. You can't have a Roman reigns. Is on good Morning America on Tuesday morning, saying we are proud of the charity work redo in the PG environment. We have for families, and you have Ronda Rousey as a baby face, I presume going after Becky as a Kobe face on Twitter saying that that's that's incongruent. Bruce, it is. And it's money. I so disagree with you. Oh, I'm I'm not used to you just said you agree with me. I'm not saying it's the wrong thing to do. And I'm saying it's incongruent with Roman reigns. Message fact, sure it is. But it's going to draw that match that three way batch people are going to want to see the people that are following this on Twitter going to want to say, and they're going to be they're going to be like there's going to be that big batch. That big fight feel and this is going to help with that. I don't agree with. I don't agree with this. This question saying that Rondos called she's not called. And this is part of it that personality that she shows that there's some insanity in her there. Some I'm agreeing with everything because I don't want you to repeat what you just said. Let me let me clarify my point my agree with you what they're doing is gonna make people want to watch this match. What I'm asking? You is Ken WWE get away with this incongruence between the smiling Roman reigns. And in Ronda Rousey on social media saying that is that. Okay. For the WWE brand. And I'm fine with the answer's yes, you're I'm not even taking a stance. He could possibly disagree with me. I'm just asking you. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That one you kind of weasel out of that. When you really did. So. They. Yes. Yes. As long as that wander and Becky or the only in Charlotte, and Charlotte doesn't show it does it in a really obnoxious smart way where she doesn't she pulls back at the right moment. She's bet and certainly she's better out of this in certain ways, these two are better out than anybody. Becky and Rhonda than anybody is long as they are the only ones doing this as long as it's doesn't become what everybody does up and down w can't control other wrestlers and other companies, but everybody in w they can control and make clear you don't do this. This is reserved for the main event of wrestlemania. Yeah. You do that. And you can you can you can say that stuff. And then you can have you know, you can have Becky coming back with that Photoshop of. Rhonda's husband as the as you said D word as as that. And looking really personal, you know, it's like that looks really personal and. Is it is it tawdry? Can you be personal? But not enter that zone. Well, yes, tarp all hell. But this is this is where this is one where it's not if it's not getting heat on Kant's, you know, that's tawdry in a bad taste makes you look bad and people don't buy people buy that these two don't like it. Yes. Yes. And so that's what's that. They also they also buy because there is if Rhonda decided to kill WADA could I mean, that's that is something she could actually do. I'm not saying she's going to I'm not saying that. But people know that she's is legit as it gets you in this situation. And here's here's the other though anything about Becky except for maybe Becky, you know, maybe Becky ca-catch or something if it came down to a fight who knows Becky stuff. So. And I'm not saying that's going to happen. But I'm saying that that but that question gets raised and all you need is the question. Yes. So here's another thing that this is a -ccomplish ING not without a potential price in terms of Roman reigns. With a straight face saying, I mean, you say the honor products PG, but when social media, we don't really regularly. But here's the thing if Rhonda's losing her her level-headedness put it in a PG way here. She's losing her level-headedness on Twitter by saying things that go against the tone, the company generally encourages or sets for their talent. What would you do in the ring? What would you do in the crowd turns? And of course, were there have you have a corporate if you have not even a corporate time, but if you have a tone throughout your whole wrestling show as then there's a maid of honor who runs counter to that town. It's going to stand out as kind of the opposite of what I was saying don't allow every. Body else to do this. But because you know, because you've got you know, corporate face the company appealing to the broad range. You know, just kind of showing the flag for WWE, and what great people they are. And how anybody would want to getting, you know, do business with them, and there's mainstream as they get it's not selling tickets necessarily wrestlemainia is, you know, it's it's waving the corporate flag, and then you've got over here, Rhonda Rousey, and Becky Lynch and Charlotte appealing to fight fans, including W E five fans. That's you know, they serve different constituencies. And this to me is the exception approved proves the rule. And that's and that's where the eating you don't have to you, don't you shouldn't have the same tone with everything. Kinda why Conor McGregor is so affected even as I think, he's unprofessional. I think that there's cost those long term. Costume how he's behaved and what he's done, but the short term he has gotten over his fights like nobody's business. But you don't want everybody on the card throwing bricks through bus windows. Right. You just want you want something stay at a gal in this this stance. As far as social media goes and social media is you to me is used in support of the main high not as the main height with the exception of of being the elite and being the elite is going to turn into support. You would think for the for a w as they as they gain national television. But this is this is the exception. Approves the rule five our teen with caffeine from green tea leaves. It's delicious energizing incomes in three amazing flavors with zero sugar and four calories. It bitch your life with its compact size important ability. It goes where you go to the campsite, the hiking trail the beach without weighing down by our team caffeine from green tea. Leaps released your natural side from the makers of five hour energy. For more information. Visit five hour energy dot com. Five our team with caffeine from green tea leaves? 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Reigns of someone who got booed out of the building for various reasons, he didn't connect with the fancy was pushed over Daniel, Bryan, etc. But Joe is a person who ever came a resurgence a cancer and fought to come back to be with us the fans Moreover, I felt for a long time Roman could use some different music or suitable to a baby face. So my question is is there any money and totally revamping Roman more akin to the real person Joe who people seem to be behind things for other great content. Go VIP, people your torch, VIP, info dot com. Bruce. I don't think I don't think you change his name to Joe, I think you keep ci-. I think the character already has evolved because of what he went through because of what Roman reigns. Joe went through in real life, and and fighting this cancer and haven't come back to having having it come into remission, you know. Awesome. Those and also just get off the stage a little while that helped and and then, you know, I think that I think the flak vest needs to go. I think that I think that the bulky, and I wrote about this. Right after the cancer diagnosis, but I think the bulky build the muscle head part of him needs to be toned back. And it looks like it has been and and then kind of continuing and how he talks, you know, how he talks to people in in a genuine way like he did the other night. And of course, he he ends going to have the ability to go out there, and wait and go, hey, I be cancer. But he can go out there and modify how he does his promos, and they can also be careful about jamming him down everybody's throat. But you also have to remember that not all the fans rejected them significant portion did not and that fans that booed him still came and and and support a WWE and didn't. And so he was strong enough in his writings in in context of everybody else's writing see strong enough in his merchandise sales in con in the context of everybody else's. Berkshire time sales that he kept his he kept his position. I really hope that like key. I hope that that that they adjust this. Character involves character. Not just change them. All the way up and cause them to say, he's Joe people know on Roman reigns on both sides of this. And yeah, I would like to see him. I like to see the his push be a little more surgical in a little more deft and move away from you know, I don't wanna see I'm sick aromas. I'm sick of a whole issue. And I dread. I I'm hoping that Roman reigns. Be cancer and beat Rama's, and it might be harder to do the second one. And so, but yes, got to be got to do a little better job with them are. Yeah. That's the thing. Plant fans are not fans are not obligated because Roman reigns. Be cancer to suddenly like or be passive about things that they did not like about his pusher his presentation. I don't think that's fair either. No doubt. Of course, not. Yeah. No. It's just it's just take take this break the opportunity this good feeling and move it on and move it on and and make some adjustments. So that people relate to the people that didn't relate to them. Now, there's going to be the people it got to be such a habit that there were people that, you know, you know, the superman punch, and there was all this part of this. And if there's all this why the super and punch was so awful. And it was just a signature a unit was it was fine. It was overdone. That's the issue no-one said he punch, but when it's sixty percent of the movie do in a match, and that's probably drew. Yeah. Yeah. And the you he doesn't have enough moves and all that there was a lot of those a lot of that. Hopefully will be let go, and but he wait you're going. Let me let me ask this. You're telling fans to let it go or you're saying hopefully Roman reigns. Mixes? It up a little more well mixes it up a little more. But not but not that we're counting all the moves that he can do because there's there's there's plenty of ABI. He's a good wrestler. And it's not just an it's not just he uses it. I mean that was his signature that was his thing and good wrestlers have their signature. And I think that it was the resentment I still just look at you know, it's the fruit of the poison tree where he was the guy standing there who the company wanted to set up who the fans wanted and Daniel Bryan. And then and then all of the screw out of it. Hopefully, they'll be more. You know, they'll be a fresh look, but there's going to be people that are going to get that if they don't give them enough of a fresh look with him. It is going to go back to that. But we've also seen that there's not enough fans that left there's not enough fans that that didn't buys merchandise. Or there's not that we're drawing off providers merchandise that in the context of WWE today. Way that and there was an fans there were no fancy support. And there's a lot of fancy support him. Yeah. And there's a lot there's a lot. And there's there's also when he walks out. There's not that. There is that. But there's not that this is flat. This is not so good. They're still that. Okay. I'm paying attention. I hate him or I love him. But I feel strong about an, and it's a fact that WB is not going to is not going to change on him. If as long as there's you know as long as there's that reaction to what he does. And so hopefully, they've got some ideas of and he has gotten some perspective, and there's some and there's some evolution, but not a total makeover. And and there's also fans that that fans that look in fresh eyes and go, you know, maybe maybe this got to be a habit and it did. I mean, it was just I heard it all I heard it all the time. And and there's sometimes I just want. But look what you're saying. What you're seeing is what really happened is different from what you're saying. Because disguised just got under your skin, and hopefully, there's hopefully the NF there's not a reexamination, and it's another round of this. Then I think that's going to be worse. You know? I think there's at me, you know, I think it's going to be an indication that they need to move away from him because the other parts it isn't gonna hold up. You know, you know, the fans that love him and the fans that. You know, the fans that come and they hate him that stuff isn't gonna hold up for him with a second round of it. I can't imagine it all these years. You know, this is the this is the one chance, and it's unfortunate and scary that it was through, you know, real life, you know, real life his real life being threatened. But here's you know. Here's a chance for a fresh start and some fresh eyes. And he has a lot of has a lot of positives to bring to it. And hopefully, learn something about his leg. Hopefully, they did. So I had hopefully Fant and hopefully it'll be enough fan. So that they do make those adjustments. And there are enough fans because not all of them will no matter what their enough manse that that look at those adjustments ago. Okay. I can I can buy this. I'm gonna let go of my I like him better than it used to. Yeah. It's all up in the air art start. But that ain't going be. They're going to be anywhere near enough shirt. Twin settled as them. Telefonica give us of these so-called splint that you've seen dias years. Alright his own was that. Donald somebody because they don't they must have. He Tacoma into into. When on ninety minutes. Skeptic for a limited time at sprint. Get fifty dollars for each new phone you lease when you switch. That's right. You'll get fifty dollars for each new phone on a prepaid MasterCard. Issued by MetaBank member FDIC. Just register for the card online. And you're good to go. 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I'm analyzing that aspect of this Romans in Seth are being stand up guys and they're being forgiving or they're they're saving their dean. But and that's fine. You can maybe tell that story. But it does feel unnatural. The announcers not seem to know how to handle it or being muted from trying to lead fans in a certain direction. And I'm not quite sure why. But it makes the announcers I think look bad in untrustworthy that they're not commenting on the obvious thing that you should. Be wondering about. The were one the commentators are never natural those amounts are never natural. So anything that it's consistent. So the other part is years what they were trying to do. They were trying to build intrigue for will Seth and Roman except the back. And and I do agree with the they floated the possibility, and they had Dane they had team apologize to Seth and say that say that you know, he's four him. But there's re-, you know, but those, you know, it's like, okay. If you just do the reunion ride at once it's like you can play this out a little bit. And then have the reunion. And I think that's where they're going with it. And I think what they thought the announcers being quiet would be they're not overdoing it. What are they thinking? They're just gonna let you know. They would let people go I want to see that. But I didn't see it. They're not even looking at them. They're just having each other. Oh, wait. They looked back. And the announcers didn't say anything, I think. That's what they're aiming for that. Intrigue. Did they get it? Well, when you've got announcers who who speak afar language to anybody to every other language on the face of the planet than anything. They're there to not very natural including shutting up and let the moment sleek for itself. But that's how it, but I took it as that's, you know, this is this is this is building. Intrigue four will they or won't they accept Denamrk smack in the shield and get the shield back together and building that desire in fans to want to see that. And also managing whatever, you know. Demand. Verse leaving the company and to me, I'd still I'd have to Ambrose reunite the shield, and then and then dean adverse wants to go. He goes and not in not just beat them or have them. Do not Cisco things on the way out. I would just I would just, you know, phase them out and not have the. Shield around and you know, in three years, if everybody's you know. Dean's coming back. Then you bring the shield back at that point. You save. It is a legendary thing and. Even you know, high fit is the legendary thing no matter how legendary this. I don't know they ever got that run. You know, they certainly were halfway through it when they turned Seth and they didn't get the reunion. So and it looks like they're not going to get the rain in the adverse leaving either. So we don't get a refund. I definitely think that but and that's what they should do. But I'm yeah. I don't I don't think it was. I don't think it was the best thing. But I don't think it was the worst thing either. Yeah. Our cobras done a lot of podcasting today per sheet. You take time to do this. Good. Good questions from the I won't be talking to my sleep tonight. Yes, you are. So that'll do it for us here. Bruce. I do want to say look for me on the on the deep dive of which fan and a very interesting. New ranging different discussion. Pitch it a little bit here. It's it'll be dropped tomorrow night Saturday night over at the POW torch daily cast feed. So just search PW torch or go to torch daily cast dot com Saturday night to find it. But it's part of the daily it's the deep dive with rich fan is part of the different show every day of the week lineup at the Peterlee torch daily cast in Bruce you were on with a group which had to be interesting. For Richard show coming up on Saturday. What he means this, and I talk over people in and grab the microphone and hog it, and I tried to good workout role. I basically took the place of Travis Bryant. And by the way, Travis Brian in the east coast cast. But there was a discussion of we talked about. And we we took wrestlers out of amateur Osas out of but the great athletes in in professional wrestling, and the guys who could fight that you would. And we even had Cameron Hawkins talk about guys. He thought maybe he could take. Which kind of stunned me that was the fun part of the discussion of guys who were dangerous than maybe look dangerous, or you know. Rush, lying and guys who were and then just a wide range of it really opened up a lot of different discussions because we went through a rod wide range of of men and women wrestlers. We went through, you know. Of course, it's I'm in it. I cover the old stuff, and I cover the waterfront that cover everything. But I, but I had the old guy examples, and they had the example there's some generations that were convert there, it was a really cool discussions in new pretty funny too. So. It's. The dive of which fan available for everybody. Go check it out, and Bruce will talk to you also this weekend with Bruce Mitchell audio show, which is exclusive for VIP members. So if you enjoyed here in Brazil and one more PLA Lloyd talk about stepping on people. Go ahead. Yeah. Exactly. Well, Bruce, Michelle audience, I was gonna say some nice things about you. But now, I'm not go ahead. No kidding. So also, I'll be on. I just want to wrap it up without saying this. I did a spot with the loves wrestling on podcast, which is not delude just do clubs wrestling out of Boston. 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