The Imbalanced History Of Rock And Roll: Peter Gabriel's So- A Collaborative Masterpiece
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Anyway we're talking about going to bath England because that is where Peter, Gabriel set up shop. When he started going Solo, he converted Asham House into his studio away from studios. He had the house right and he had that old barn that we saw in the documentary both just watch. We'll talk about that a little bit. and He created his musical universe in a converted barn with the studio that he built right there at his house in bath. So that's why we're going to bat see Peter Really it's not surprising that Peter Gabriel built a studio in a building on some property. He's totally the type of person and musician that would do something like that. And you get that vibe from him because of how he's been over the years with not only is genesis music titled Solo Albums, and each one of them conceptually awesome and very different but you can tell that he put a lot of time into. All of those records you're heading in the right direction. 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Very end it reflected everything that Gabriel had been doing solo up to that point basically said look I'm putting it all together here, and this is the best stuff I have. Now Dan did an amazing job. We should talk for a second about the documentary you turn me onto, which is a classic albums I guess it was on access I, cut it on Prime Video And it's basically a documentary of the making the album. So I don't know man I learned so much. I. Felt like I didn't know anything when I started watching I, know the the amount of knowledge that was thrown out and just the amount of cool information that everybody's shared about the behind the scenes work and how it all flow together and how it all came together was incredible and to hear it from Daniel Anwar's perspective as well as like Tony Levin and Modern Caccia came in and spell other people. And Yeah Yeah. So some great people really spoke about their part in this masterpiece of an album it's one of those albums that's as close to perfect as it gets, and there are many of those in the rock and Roll World I. I really really am looking forward to digging in and talking about this and just all of their cool perspectives and who's on this album because I think a lot of that gets overlooked when you think about this album, people don't go into those details as much because there's a lot man that's all. A Lot look at Peter Gabriel before we get into talking about so look at where he came from Genesis of course, the early days of genesis he gets to the lamb. Feel, something, different happening, and in the documentary David Frikkie from rolling stone talks I don't always see eye to eye with him when he's on these documentaries and stuff. But the one thing that he said was absolutely true when you look at it and think about the first four solo albums are more of a continuum rather than individual concepts records. It is a continuum of something that Gabriel was working on in together they are pure genius individually they are amazing records that set a career in motion that takes us to nineteen, eighty, six and one of the. People that I actually know that was in that documentary Gary Gersh was in the middle of that he worked for Geffen records at the time they'd had them for a couple of records and they were looking forward to a new album from Peter Brian. Gabriel but they had no idea what was going on what was taking so long over there in the country and bath England right from what everybody said in the documentary the one year to make that album was the fastest album Peter Gabriel had made at that point this home recording at the barn in the. Backyard taken you know a pot of coffee and some lunch in walking across the yard with the dog and going to work it. Kind of gives you that opportunity to do it or not do it work in the middle of the night or whatever you want to do, and that became his norm out there. There's connections to this man in Philadelphia the support in love that he got on the radio in Philadelphia for those first four solo records unbelievable because it wasn't happening everywhere. So we got a different perspective here and that was before you came to. Town what was Denver thinking a Peter Gabriel going into the so record I know his earlier stuff from the self titled Albums was getting played on like k. z. y., and some of the Rock radio stations because they had that a oh, are five that not vibe but they were aor radio stations just like w Amar was. So we got to hear a bunch of the songs they went very deep on it at that time it was before so before so they d I definitely heard Biko on the radio I definitely heard Games without frontiers on the radio. That I feel are amazing in that everybody should know and I'm glad to hear that another major cities like Denver got to hear some of them on the radio, which is how we got exposed music for the most part. In. Salisbury Hill another just brilliant song. Yes we can D- were wrecked. We really could yet, but can we talk about the album so I don't WanNa talk about how many it sold them, where it charted and all that we talked about the music and who helped put it together and how and that's where the documentary really really gave us a lot to go one daniel landlord lived in that bar. Pretty. Much for a year and P. wouldn't Peter Gabriel reach out to them and said, Hey, do you wanna work on the next album with me after Lan wa did the Birdie soundtrack with them? He told him much. You're going to be here for a year Sherman I LSU and there was thought of going with a different producer but having done birdie they really felt like. They had a connection there. The other people that spoke in the documentary also spoke highly of their chemistry in the booth as well, and you heard that throughout the entire process and with the engineers to part of the discussion was the song. Sledgehammer. Which Peter Actually had written for what would be his next record he wasn't planning on it being on. So that kind of. Surprised me because you think it's the first thing. Most of US heard from the album it hit you in the head like a sledgehammer. It just had all the elements that you needed to go. Wow this is exciting stuff. Right in almost didn't make it onto one of the biggest outside of the eighties. That's my point about that shoe another one of those few who? I now, who knew moments think about it and that video is absolutely groundbreaking they changed. The video I mean what they did with the claymation and how they put it together and they talk a little bit about it in the documentary is unbelievable Peter one of the many fantastic and and just really cool things about him is that he likes to bend everything in a way that it hasn't been done before he likes to try new things and the way he. Makes a beats into his pop music and his rock and roll music on this album is fantastic and he took so many different styles and put them together to make this album. I can only imagine they were knee deep in tape on the cutting room floor because it was done with two inch tape. The funny thing is they were GonNa have sledgehammer on the next record and That turned around as soon as they started making it because there even though it was done at the end of the sessions towards the end of the sessions, they realized that they were short even in the age of CDs you know they didn't have enough really to make a two sided vinyl album. So they talk to Laurie Anderson, they bring in. This is the picture the excellent. Bird song and it's very different than a lot of the stuff on the record, but it is compatible if you think about what that song does to balance textures, add things to the album. So there's another case where it wasn't going to be on record and ended up in there because they went. Hey, what about that we need we need something we we have room for that. It was great to see Laurie talk in the documentary. I'm a huge fan of her and her music but let's talk more about the songs on so that everybody knows I mean we got hit with so many hit records off of this I. think that was the thing that surprised probably even Gabriel he had like we've discussed pretty good air support from the people who who liked him and loved his music in the radio world in April they released sledgehammer that just takes off. We just talked about it was top of the charts, top the air place drive in sales the Khulna yards. then. They come back with don't give up a beautiful song that I absolutely adore it's one of my favorites and Dan explains in the documentary. Kate. Bush just poured emotion out. New. So they quickly change gears and come out with in your eyes. You talk about you. So Indoor Remodel Kaci and all those guys having a major influence on Gabriel sound. It's right there in it's unbelievable after hearing you door and learning about him from this album. He also did a song with Neneh Cherry called seven seconds and I ended up buying that album and his beats and his music and his songwriting is really beautiful. Could. See in. Nick the. Up We should. You GotTa Watch the documentary to get the full impact of it because they show you sue and Gabriel onstage together as brothers dancing feeling the music. Doc. And there's a Lotta Nice things that he has to say in there too. But one an amazing song in your is a huge hit for Gabriel and it keeps the tide rolling with this album. Here's something I learned during the documentary as well that they did ninety six takes or versions of inure is before they were able to cut and paste them all together to make one out of them. I. Saw that and actually had a note to talk about that and since you brought it up, most people were thinking what's the big deal? Well, in those days you didn't. You know terabytes did a data storage. You had physical two inch tapes that held twenty four tracks probably then right so you take each one weighed. Five ten pounds somewhere in there and they had ninety six of the fuckers in a wall how to decide how to put it all together like a Frankenstein right again, knee deep in tape in that studio from all of the workday did and they they laughed about the fact that Peter Gabriel would sail. That's fantastic. Do it again I? Want another take we're. Getting into talk about my new because the funny thing about him getting into the project I found was his friend kept calling him and tell him mccollum back and he thought he was being punked. So we never caught him back. So eventually Gabriel's like so what's up with your friend? You know he's not returning calls so they call them together it was one of those. Unreal. He almost blew the session because he wasn't calling him back. And his feel on these tracks. Dan does a great job of describing what they were looking for what is concerned was with bringing them in Kenny do this and he just comes in and really flavors the tracks that he's on I mean Miranda played a lot of the drums. Manute Kaci brought, and then later brought to the stage for capable is pretty incredible. I was watching the documentary my son came in and he was watching parts of the with me and he kept asking who monitor was and he loved the way he spoke and he just loved his energy I don't know what it was but out of all the people in the documentary that he saw, my son was most Ron, D'Amato Josiah. So yeah, because you something about Bonnie man that Dude's amazing. But Ninety six versions of that song. And I've heard about some crazy studios stories but that's what you have. First when you have resources, Zach, you have a bar and. Store tapes and stuff that there was no dubbing like Oh let's up this this eight bars over to an because you'd lose quality that the depth of everything so that it was literally cutting and Ken Scott talks a lot about that in his book from Abbey Road Dizzy Star about the physical part of producing those days. I can only imagine it was pretty physically grueling especially when you were. Under a lot of pressure and you had a lot of tape to go through I can only imagine how physically grueling in stressful. It was holy cow. The next track they release is in early eighty seven comes out in February and we were talking a little bit about the video technology for sledgehammer they really dig into when they talk about big time and that's another groundbreaking video from this album. When MTV was really still playing a lot of videos the way that they show you how did the Stop Action and how they did. The frame by frame painting of things that were in shot how they had a direct Gabriel the stuff about the dancing chickens all that and how they pulled it all off is in the documentary we were talking about. So that's something you want to check out if you get a chance yet, it's called classic albums. I think it's on Amazon prime or access TV. So you check it out. They have some incredible albums in that series I, think they did like ten seasons of. It but there are a lot of good albums that have been put together and rock and roll. So it's a good series to check out if you WANNA learn a little bit about some of that incredible music you're listening to. It'll tell you how they got the beginning of Red Rain, which is the next single from the album comes out in summertime somewhere in there between don't give up it in your eyes and the release. Red Rain actually met Peter Gabriel it was so cool. Did. You have a conversation with him. Well, I had to look it up marcus because there was a long time ago but it was November Thirtieth Nineteen eighty-six Peter Gabriel was in town for the so tour and I was working with John Developing Mr. he was there then and I kinda got the word that I should come to the back room of the press box at. The spectrum, the Old Philadelphia, air conditioned spectrum, which is no longer there, and when I walk in the door, there's John Sitting casually chatting with Peter Gabriel and I got to spend a few minutes with them. I just found that being around him made you feel more peaceful or relaxed, and it was really nice and he was very nice. But that was an incredible night and. Just love shows we can talk about that. Maybe in the second half, we could talk more about that because I'm still digging into the singles. We're talking about a lot of records that were released a radio and you look at it one, two, three, four major chart-topping airplay records for Peter Gabriel on the so record and that's what drove the sales and made it legend. In a documentary one of the things I really enjoy and we were talking about it a little bit before we crack the Mike's when they got to the point where sledgehammer was almost done they realized that it might sound better if they put some horns on it. And they could use the fairlight I suppose but they actually went and contracting Wayne Jackson and the memphis horns and his part in there is really funny. Actually that's who's playing those horns those trademark horns on sledgehammer. It's so funny when Wayne Talks about his participation in the recording of sledgehammer and how he was told what they wanted and he's like I can do that. We can do that no problem we got it but he was like man, all these guys are so. Weird and different, and we're good at talking to people and he was really warm and friendly. But he was like I've met basically I seemed like he was saying I've met so many musicians that are so unique and so different that I've had to learn how to adapt, adapt and be able to talk to all of them and to be able to relate to all of them and he did, and if you listen to the horns the horror, they're ferocious on that album. Read. When you're a muscle shoals studio musician and you played on hundreds and hundreds of exceptional songs become hit I think you get a feel for what's going to be a hit or not? You know what else I learned in there that I did not know before. Because of Peter's affinity for Country Music Dolly Parton was actually their first choice to do the woman's part on. Don't give up I was like. I was so shocked when I saw that on the documentary as well and the story behind this inspiration for the song is just as fascinating you know those old pictures of poor Americans during the depression and stuff they're beautiful pictures that are both sad and powerful in the same way because of the emotion that they captured and it says a lot about Peter's person and about how he cares about people funny how that Song really could apply in a broad sense right now in the world her. People need to hang in there. We know you're listening from all different points on the globe and the situation is different everywhere. But our friends and family here in the US are very concerned. Don't give up we can do this right mark. We get through it in good humor you can, and if we help even just a little bit, we're glad to do that. You know what else about that song that I thought was really fascinating was Tony Levin talking about his quote unquote unconventional string dampening method using his kids diapers to get that bass sound any different things he had like the the deadened bay sound and then he would use the the. FRETLESS. Olympic. Over Tony Levin I love that Man Tony Levin Daniel Landlo-. Monte. Caccia. Favorite parts of the documentary without a doubt because Tony Eleven in his work with King, Crimson some of my favorite in that time period his work on this album is absolutely brilliant. His just one of those musicians that you should learn about when they were doing the record Peter and. Dan decided they needed some different sounds in some different fields. So Larry Klein, and this is my reference to the recording scene in bath England Larry Klein, who at the time was married to my girlfriend Joni. Mitchell was actually doing a session nearby and got word that they might be looking for somebody to do some base work. So he went on. By, to Lasko and brought his wife with him and he laid down, Alana lines on Mercy Street 'cause he also loved poet Anne. sexton. Witches who that's on was four. So that's kind of a cool way to tie together to Larry and Johnny go to the sessions. How is it that Jones? Voice is an added somewhere in there in the layers. Of all the amazing voices, the help the comprise the vocal parts of Peter Gabriel. So she could have been on their offering that a unique sound that she has no wonder why not you know that's a very good question because a good thought to wonder because having somebody like Joni Mitchell right there near studio wall, her husband's land down some slick base. Burns. Up at the house. While you're down in the born bring jody born give me a little something for red. Rain, you know Joni there's no way. Johnny was up at the House having tea when all these musicians ernest studio please she's definitely in the midst of it. All these talking about Peter Gabriel so marcus, it's making me thirsty man I know I'm parts to we definitely spoke a lot about Peter time for a beer on the imbalance history of rock and roll. 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I thought it was interesting in the documentary and I guess this was a more common practice that I was aware of what they did because they weren't sure what order to put these songs. They recorded the front and back ends last five ten seconds of each song, and then took the clips in dubbed the monkey sets in all different ways so they could hear what? It is sad going into sledgehammer in ways that didn't end up as the secrets. So they finally go through that I. Guess they must have had a bunch of cassettes by then dad over a hundred did something like one, hundred twenty or something like that how to fuck you keep them straight that's what I'm saying I. Know It's like it's like when you get demo tapes for something you know and you put the ones in the Yep consider that this one will think about and goodbye, and so you have one hundred cassettes and there's like twenty five thirty of them in the middle and there's ten over here and. Over there. Know. Put, look it was the eighties not fully digital technology. That's why the videos that we talked about in the first half of the podcast today or even more amazing when you think about it because they couldn't just l. let's put a Pastel. Watch over them. You know what? I mean. They had actually do it. They settle on this run order and it becomes iconic classic and certainly his most successful album and he seemed very happy about it. He never really cared about commercial success. He just wanted to make the music he wanted to make. So he starts with Red Rain in they're trying to get a specific sound and they can't quite get it all from what they're recording. So who did we get sewer Coppola come in? Do some hi hats But the funny thing is is at the very beginning of the record Peter Gabriel wanted no symbols. No Hi hats and Daniel. Landlo- had the talk him into that because he was like, what are you talking about? You're GONNA need it. And the thing is that's the way Gabriel had operated all his self titled out that there was no big high end. He didn't want that as far as the sound goes, and if you think about some of the sound you get on those first four solo records explains a lot. But here the beginning he's blown away Daniels, talked him into it when they do the part where they show you how all the parts flow together when they put it together on the board for you, it's an amazing part of the documentary. So you start there it's very dramatic. into the big one that almost didn't make the records lead have right. And that opening song read rain is extremely dark extremely heavy, and then it lightens up a little bit with sledgehammer but sledgehammers still definitely has a little bit of darkness to it and boy what a booty Shaker that one is I think that's one of those songs like in black that everybody knows everybody knows sledgehammer those of us who love Kate Bush I remember seeing her for the first time on Saturday night live in the seventies and gone, Oh yeah I'm GONNA to be checking in on this one and keep it up with her career. There she is doing don't give up which we talked about a bit in the early part of the podcast. It's a song of hope one of my favorite performances ever live was Peter Gabriel in the round. I believe this may have been at the new place in South Philly Marcus and it's a phone booth on stage. It can't see the band light on the the old fashioned increase phone booth any walks up and he Uses the phone as a microphone, and he played all sides of the house, the whole things turning. so He's played all sides of the house but when it starts really getting to the dramatic part, you know he he starts walking away from the phone with you wonder how long is the cord they made it to the he could stand insisting at the end of the stage leaning on it leaning over the crowd with singing. His part into the phone own like goodness before that this was always one of my favorite songs that nobody talks about much from this album after that it became a stone cold favorite song and nobody really talk much about is that voice again co written with David Rhodes who didn't really talk much about in the documentary roads and Gabriel work together for years that's a great song. It shows you the consistency of that album. and. How song after song it stays at a super high level and doesn't let up throughout the entire album. If everybody knows sledgehammer Marcus when you flip the vinyl over and you put on in your eyes, everybody loves that's on I. Don't know anyone who has ever had a bad word to say about in your is I have to agree with you on that and say anything helped keep that big a few years later but. That song is fantastic everything about it just makes you. It hits you right in the fields. Again that whole album hit you in the fields it's the unit that he put together firing on all cylinders Tony Levin Right. You've got David Rhodes Motto Kaci. You have the extra flavors of Larry. Klein Yusuf door also on backing vocals that no one talks about much. Jim Kerr from simple minds. Yeah. No. I saw that when we were doing our prep for this and I was like, Oh, my God. Simple minds holy cow. He's like a gym drive down do the vocals. Okay. I wonder how many takes he did and it's all those little things that when you add them up, you can see it in the documentary hell Limo adds up including I never heard of Ronnie Bright, but he does the real low part on in your eyes in your And that's part of what makes the song locked in your brain. That's true. Those vocal harmonies are fantastic. The way he layered all of the voices to make it flow and to make it just move through and then Richard Tee on piano the piano is beautiful. That's. All over that. You know what? What's really great is we're kind of updating the research department. So we're developing things on the fly I actually got a proactive text from the research department while recording this podcast. Yeah. What they say, Ronnie Bright the BASS vocalists that we're talking about owning your is yeah. Any of these groups ring a bell for you the coasters, the cadillacs, the Valentine's he also sang with Jackie Wilson? We didn't even ask for help and they gave us some that. Right there shows you Peter, Gabriel's knowledge of music inside and now to be able to pull from so many different various areas there really are some places on this record. We can see his movement towards wall mad and his his own explorations of world music beginning and taking commercial shape and after that. You have. Mercy Street, which is another beautiful song from the record that I don't think enough people pay attention to. It's definitely considered a deeper cut. But again, this is an album like you should do with all rock and roll albums listened to it from front to back listen to it all the way through you get a feel for for the album when you. Listen to it all the way through and the special way especially that first time you hear at four some perspective and support Marcus my brother in his position these guys went to the trouble to make one hundred cassettes to figure out what order to put these songs in to make an album. It meant something it means something and you know what I found even. If you're a spotify person, he just listened a lot of music on on stuff like that. You can get the album and listen to it in order. So do it yet don't don't hit it on shuffle the album on shuffle listen to it one through nine. All the way through gives you artistic intention this public service announcement from the imbalanced brothers here the history. Big Time Time brother, and I want to thank everybody for their support of what we've been doing on his fucked up. But somehow our getting there that song is another one. It's more like sledgehammer than the other songs on the album we talk debate about the video and stuff but beyond that, it's him exploring different sounds again, the lineup on that song alone is pretty solid and Stewart Copeland played the entire drum track on that song as. And that Dude's wicked I mean you've you've heard him in the police and his other stuff that he's done over the years including a lot of studio work in movie soundtracks as well. He is an incredible drummer fast as lightning and in that time that dude was lightning fast and he hits really well. So part of the crew on the next track, we do what we're told and also on that voice again is l Shankar. The violinists everybody goes because L. because is his full name is pretty amazing. It's lack Shimin Narayana just call him L. Shank. Easier again, a small player in a big production whose contributions and make a difference in hell, the album sale and how it feels. Who else came in for one Song Nile Rodgers he's a legend one song he came in and played on all these musicians came in and did that with Peter Gabriel so that tells you that some of these me what these musicians knew about Peter Gabriel and how much respect they have for him as a musician and for who he is in for what he does. So to be able to get these these kind of top tier players to come in and do this on a once you know just come in pop by do a song and then buggy pretty incredible and it says a lot about you as a musician. Now, Peter Gabriel I've been recording at the barn for a number of years right knew that it was their people. Knew if he was recording in the local community, right? Yes. Do you think that there was an element of Holy? Shit hear Gabriel's got going on over at the house you got to go over and see what's going on and when you get there and go. Oh Jim Kirkum on. We got a part for you. This was coming by Hey, can you L. Shankar over? Here Kate Bush, how are you love you hunt come on him you and spend an hour or two in the vocal booth things like that were going on against the backdrop of what they've been creating. It's so cool back to the seventies remember there were festivals and all kinds of stuff and bath. It is kind of like its own unique little community within the overall. British community. So let's talk a few minutes at least about the success of this record worldwide I realized I did copy down all the charts in US only hit number two but it was number one in the UK which when you're thinking about a man, that's probably the big thing for him and them a lot of the people who put the record together giving was. Happy with what was happening here they were selling multi-platinum and it had done something that they'd hoped would happen when they put Gabriel on the Geffen roster a couple albums before that, and that was him becoming an international superstar and along the way he got to be a spokesman for a lot of the causes, a musical styles that he was fond of just because of. What he had just achieved gold and platinum and countries like Spain and new. Zealand. In the Netherlands Hong Kong Germany, France and Belgium. It's sold everywhere on scale big time. So to speak that's on par with albums like back in black and rumors and some of those, and I know it didn't hit those numbers and sales but that kind of world domination on the charts. Is Pretty incredible I know that a lot of people like the measure that stuff like by sales, international sales and all that numbers. But when you look at an important album, the did something while giving us all joy great music and so if you at the same time, it's hard to top. Peter. Gabriel. So and that's why we're talking about it here on the podcast. One of the many great things that we discussed about this album is, is that it related to so many people of different musical backgrounds and that is the power of Peter Gabriel's world beats and understanding of putting them together to make the sound that he made. Well, think of it this way. Okay. Mentioned Dibella earlier, right? Right. He's older than me by bunch of years and then think of me where I was at an eighty six and then we're you were turning twenty right yet three different slices of American. Rock. And Roll, life as far as our ages go years apart and yet we all could agree that this was amazing. fucking record to the highest level ever people like John who were part of Peter's career path like what boat supporting the with airplay and interviews and all that stuff. This is validation of everything you believed about this man, his mass appeal, not only generational, but across the world. Gargantuan and this is the kind of music that is still not only relatable but relevant songs like give up or even more important. Than when they were written and the importance of that song because you can feel the pain and the suffering, and still the light at end of the tunnel make a big difference and that resonates strongly you know what else that song does and I think it's one of the most positive impacts it has. It inspires empathy for the people who were in the store. You're right and one other little Peter Gabriel factoid that I heard from that little amazing documentary is one of Peter Gabriel's biggest influences was Otis redding because like Peter Otis was a drummer before a Sam I saw that house like That shows you how much of a student of music. Peter. Gabriel is and we've mentioned him throughout this whole thing the man who pulled all this together we haven't really talked much about Daniel Lamont genius. He really is if you look at the wide variety of people that he's worked with from the new artists to the legends Willie Nelson Emmylou Harris he were to Neil Young Bob Dylan right you most famously produced the Joshua Tree and Achtung baby my two favorite youtube records. But he also produces bands like sports who are on the newer edge of progressive music. So he's an amazing character and when they made all this, he was still young. Bach and I didn't realize and you don't really get the picture from his look in the video but he's like late sixties now really is I think as you pointed out worth digging deeper into an might be a good reason for doing a producer series series of podcast within the podcast where we just focus on the producers just talking about what they've done and in getting. It on people's radar. So they get the bigger picture, which is part of what we're doing here growing this family tree I love learning about music and I love learning about the people behind the scenes because they all have interesting tales to share and they all have interesting stories about what was going on inside their heads at the time this music was being made. So to hear all that and to have them share all that hopefully as inspiration for people moving forward so that the next generation can create great music by learning from their predecessors Just learn research department is working overtime here. Threw me a note that says, Daniela wrote and performed the music for Billy Bob Thornton Movie Sling Blade. Did Not know that also in the making of so Daniel Anwar spoke openly about how red rain took the most out of how much of himself he put into the record you feel his side of this as well. So. down. Hey news coming down all. Connie down. A. Combing. Ono. see. and. An icon in his own right Peter. Gabriel. So this has been an interesting conversation and hopefully informative for our audience. If you've got some questions for US anytime about anything call your mother and then send us an email at. History G MAIL DOT COM. It's always there and it's a good way to stay touch and people are finding other ways. Thank you for your comments online on facebook lot of people starting to make comments about the five favorites and things like that. Give us feedback on stuff and that's a great way to stay in touch with this in real time or Israel's with you and me right? Yeah. No kidding. 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