Block Breaker | Brian Aspinall & Gameboydrew Andrew Arevelo
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We will discuss the college admission scandal the education programs Trump wants to cut why we should emphasize student growth over grades. And we have to amazing guests for you today. Brian Aspinall and Andrew a Revo. Hey newsflash. Okay. Rich people bribe people to get their kids into school. I know it's a it's it's such a zip. We didn't know this was happening. What's funny about it? Is that on the news? They describe it as this is the side door to collagen. Oh to be able to get into colleges the bad door really is we can just buy buildings in end. Our kids will be able to go to get in. So it's just disgusting. Overall. I I how intricate this detailed the details. Are here are just if you've listened over the week, just gross. Like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm happy that people are getting a raw. We all knew was happening and people weren't getting arrested. Yes. So I didn't even know it was illegal like, I didn't even know the law necessarily was well because we knew it was happening. I mean, we we know that Jared Kushner's dad donated like two million dollars to Harvard, and that's how that dummy got into Harvard like, we know. This. It sounds like didn't even think it was against the law because no one was getting arrested for until now. Yeah. And the like it's been happening for forty fifty years. I'm sure or longer men. And I guess it being in the open, you know, and then being prosecuted for it. I love rights, you know, that's awesome. And that's greats just the exposure out there. And then people knowing that now people are looking much more closely at these things, but gosh, the the the way that they've got about doing some of these things the details. Here are just crazy. I mean photo shopping kids into sports photos. Scholarships using then they don't actually ever join the team, but they get into the school, and then paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to some fixer basically to be able to do something having your kid come into a test. The high stakes tested SAT or ACT, but someone is really taking the test for them. But they don't even really know that symbol was taken the test foil because their tests are going to be trashed. Gosh, it's just so many layers off this really it just it's kinda like scandalous, we love scandal in the United States. Just to be able to go ahead. And you know, o of what a hear more and more details about it. But really it's just it's sad for the these institutions that that's kind of where they're at. You know that that's is. This is the reality of it's like, you just said we all know knew that it was happening. But it was kind of like no one ever brought it out to light. Yeah. Stunning. That these schools feel the need to do this, especially these schools like these aren't like low level kind of prestige schools. These are like Georgetown, Stanford Yale. UCLA USC. These are big school. You'd like even Wake Forest is a guess is a good school that leads me. Yeah. These aren't these aren't little universities. You know in little towns. These are some of the biggest name universities on the on the planet. I don't understand why we need an enemy. Other so much about this. That's absolutely just absolutely crazy. I mean, we're really focused in on the two actresses who. Who who did this? Lori Laughlin Felicity Huffman by it was it's way bigger than them to. It's it's easily fifty or sixty families. Yeah. And their kids in its investment bankers in whatever. And just just to be clear. These are all are almost all Democrats like like this, you know, there a shady people on both sides of the aisle, folks. Just just to be clear. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. And and it it definitely smacks of entitlement. It smacks of Bill Maher actually said it the best on Friday night when he said when Republicans were to the coastal elite. This is what they're talking about these people who feel this gigantic sense of entitlement so much so that they can go and spend all of this massive amount of money that they have they obviously have way too much money on their hands that they can burn five hundred grand to make sure that their their kid who clearly doesn't care about going to school. It's there was it. Laurie Laughlin daughter who is a social media influencers said. I'm just at school to party and to experience the lifestyle. I literally don't care about school. She flat out said that in a in a whatever she does a video of not a vine. They don't have any more YouTube or whatever the hell, however, the hell Instagram, I guess, that's what all the cool kids do these days. Yeah. So I mean, but I just I said to my wife, I assumed it was somehow it was legal or something because no one has been gotten getting arrested for this for forty years. It's obviously been happening since the beginning of time. Well, one of the things that I want to go ahead and inform these rich elite people is that us regular people went to state universities that don't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to get into that don't require, you know, super elite scores or whatever else it might be to be able to get into. And we all did. Okay. We all did great, actually. So the. Little university that I went to it's in southern Colorado called Adams state university little school fantastic results. Great placement in all kinds of different positions and careers. You can anybody can do that. You don't have to actually attend one of these universities. That's fantastic. If you get into one of them legitimately. But if you don't you can still go and get a great education. If that's what you really want to do in like you just said if you're just going there to get the status symbol of. I went to UCLA USC or Harvard or whatever might be. I just don't do. You know, what's funny is? I don't even see them graduating. Then they're not gonna just be able to scam. There too. Which funny about is that you get into your like. Okay. Well, now, I'm not going to be. I just got into the thing. But I'm not going to really put any effort towards towards my academics here because I didn't actually earn the ability to be here. So in the end, they'll all get what's coming to them. You know what I mean? So all right now. Yeah, right now, it's just the scandal and hopefully their careers suffer from that. I hope that they do, you know, they're they're elitism, and those kinds of things, and and and it just sad to me in that. That's the state of of education, at least in the public eye to a hate that that stays so long in the public is that this is one of the big things. And if I was a university person, I would hate that. Also, I would be livid. If I was professor that was now going to have to teach some of these kids that obviously did not earn their way into into school. They probably wouldn't show. Don't ask don't care don't care about. Speaking of the state of education, the the budget, the Trump administration budget came out, I guess a week or so ago, and there's a lot of bad news in this budget for education a lot of bad news, right? The headline is twenty nine education programs. Trump wants to eliminate. And there's just gross again, his typical Trump stuff. But this one is so over the top and seventy programs in there that would be impacted by it. Of course, you know, when the president proposes any budget, that's not actually going to be the he's not he's not the legislative branch. So these are just kind of these budgets that these the president's put out are kind of their vision, which you can really tell what his vision is is basically, cutting gutting actually public education and all of the different aspects here, and then moving forward with a, you know, a huge amount of of monies towards defense budgets, and then you know, sub stupor and all that he's talking about s-. So just really disgusting things here. I mean the right up at the top. Where describes it in billions. Basically, it's one point two billion is twenty first century community learning centers that would be the top one of one of the top things. That's cut there. And I mean, there's other things on here like supporting affective instruction state grants that are granted by the federal government. That's two billion dollars. That would also be good and be cuts. And then there's a bunch of other things that are just like you were reading about the Special Olympics education programs. Are you frigging serious? I mean, that's when here's another one arts in education were first of all my golfers. The vault the menial amount of money that we have for that. It's only twenty nine million now twenty nine million may seem like a lot. This is a great country. This is nationwide for the federal government, and that would be cut twenty nine million in arts and education. Budgets. I mean, a ton of different types of programs here that are great equalizers. I would call them as far as in education and thank good is that these programs exists at the federal level. And that they're providing these funds and thank goodness. That's Trump isn't the the dictator, and that he can't just legislate these types of things, and that there is a checks and balances system in the United States, and and just like we talked about before elections do matter, and this is one of the things like his vision is basically gut public education and basically privatize education, and and then move forward with that vision. You know, the the biggest cut though is the one that pisses me off the most what is that in only because we obviously talk about it a lot supporting affective in. State grants. Yes. So what it sounds like? This is is grants that educators get for PD. Yes. I mean, it's two billion dollars as being cut from providing teachers with education to improve their level of instruction and their own professional knowledge is being is the number one is the largest cut in this list. So if if you're a teacher, and and I know they do exist. Mike because I I was a union guy. We actually had thirty something percent Republicans if not higher number in Minnesota, which were very blue states thirty seven percentage Republicans that are Representative as part of the union, and you decide to go ahead and vote for Trump just understand that. You're undercutting your own. Public teaching position just understand doesn't matter. If you believe in any of these other, visions of whatever might be as far as he's representing just understand that he has just come out front and said, I don't believe in public education. We should just got the whole thing. And privatize it all oh boy. I absolute listened the primary is getting exciting. There's lots of great conversation. Hopefully going to happen. We can get off of that really dump pitcher Beto from his whatever drunk driving arrests. At mean. Let's have really good conversations in get an awesome candidate who will believe in education and do an awesome job. I think we all we all deserve that. And you're certainly not getting that now. So we got some work to do. They are sure this interesting. Pretty interesting article came up on ED's surge called growth over grades. How a recent policy is helping us build a culture of revision. And and I've I've had a chance to read it a couple times. 'cause I I had I had this one thought that that we sort of talked about off air that I want to bring up, but what were your thoughts about this article just in general Glenn up? I think that the biggest thing that it's is presenting is actually a revolutionary idea to just move away from our current gradings, as we talk about grades all the time, whether we should have homework policies, whether or not we should have the eighth through f- system, whether zero should be a zero or they should be a fifty percents, but really all of that stuff. Grading and learning are pretty distant cousins. I would call them right now, they're not really related to each other. Well, enough to where in this case, what it's talking about is that we should really be focusing on what is happening within the classroom in this case when you submit something why not have the ability to go ahead and resubmit it multiple times with revisions. And then in the end show, your growth as far as being able to submit the item in the end after it's received several revisions, and you had a really really good point about why this might not work within the current system. It's it's really really difficult because what they're what they're wanting to focus on is in. It's a it's a it's a major bullet in the in the articles is fury submits more revision the focus on process, which we've spent a little bit of time talking about recently about the idea that the the act of creation of creating something in that revision airy process on that iterating processes is what really matters and than that's what you should actually be assessing, especially when it comes to project based learning and and and stuff like that. But it takes time this is there are not a lot of teachers who have time in their schedule for students to submit like three or four drafts. So that they can really show that they've nailed a subject in grown over the course of the time that they're submitting let's say you have to submit a a two or three. Creative writing assignment the goal with this article. And and frankly, I aligned with it like, I think it's amazing the idea that you would create multiple drafts. And that you would spend that time in peer review in review with the with the teacher and discussing the goals in the flow, and then rewriting it. And then getting reviewed again by someone and then rewriting it and then getting reviewed again, and then submitting at once you feel like you've really mastered. The the the goals that you are trying to achieve and the problem is is that you just a lot of people just don't have time for that. When you're getting pressure from your school to have, you know, a certain number of grades in your grade book via certain amount of time when you have to, you know, hit, you know, a certain amount of common core standards. Every time you teach a. In a similar project, and you have to make sure that you are in in Canada in Gary, oh, where you have a standardized a required standardized tests, for example, in grades six where you're literally the whole second half of the school year all your focused on is teaching to the test. And there's no revision airy process in a damn tasks L, there's mystics right? You you you take it. And it's an it's an it's done. And there's no process they don't care about the the the path that you took to get to the answer. They just want you to see wanna see that. You got the answer. You mean? So when you're teaching to a test a standardized test of any sort there's no pathway. There's no there's no window of opportunity for process, and no winner will opportunity for revision. And that's really a shame. Because I think that the process is so much more important than the outcome in the end. I I wanna see how you got there. I think that in most cases when you build value and build meaningful experience with your teacher with your peers through a multi step, you know, interational process in almost any assignment to it doesn't just have to be like I talk about like game design and stuff like that. But it doesn't have to be it can be writing. It can be art. It can be editing. Yes, it can be it can be anything. But just I mean, it's just a. A shame that we we talk a lot about this stuff. And it still doesn't seem like there's a room there's room or in area where this can actually change and that's frustrating. Because all this seems like is a really good idea. That is just gonna stay on edge surge because because. You know, all the we do seem to do is talk about good ideas. And you know, we need to elect some people that can actually make some of these clearly they by need to be the minister of education, and Glenn needs to be the education secretary. So that we can get this stuff into the actual education standards on my platform here pretty soon. Sure. So so I mean, we'll put the article in the show notes. And and again, listen if you have room in your practice in in your school, and you have a ton of money and buying from administration think about process, please. Because this is like a huge regret on my. Now, I'm thinking about it a lot because of you know, when I was with AJ Giuliani in and he was talking a lot about process, and I can't stop thinking about it. Because I didn't do it. And I'm not going to probably be back in the classroom again in my career at least not. In the classroom. And I wish I had that opportunity to really focus on process instead of the final product if you have the opportunity, please go and do it. Please go read this article, please think about how you're assessing the process because it's it's so important obscenely, man. Absolutely. I want to put something kinda cool on your radar? We haven't talked about games yet. So I feel obligated to talk about to talk about games just a little bit GDP game developers conference is this week. And it really looks like well, Google is ramping up something huge. We don't know what it is yet. But they're doing their first ever. Like keynote added GD see this week for the first time they've hired a bunch of big names, Phil Harrison who was with Sony and XBox joined Google last year. They didn't. Really say what he was doing. But the other big name that just got announced just got announced last week was Jade, Raymond and Jade is actually a big frigging deal when it comes to video game. She was the the executive producer of assassin's creed. So the longest time. So I mean a big name huge game. She eventually joined the and did some work on some unannounced stuff that still either being made or might have been canceled. But but she joined they announced last week the she's joining Google as well, and they didn't really say other than her role is as is as I vice president. They're clearly doing something. There might be hardware. It might be related to chrome cast, which we listen if it's related a chrome cassettes week is chrome cast a super cheap. Right. They're like twenty five bucks, and you plug it into a nature deport and you if you they're they're saying they may connect a controller to chrome cast, then you can stream games from an online delivery service onto your chrome cast. We don't know. I mean this time next week. We'll know and maybe we'll talk about it. But if you're if you're into this kind of stuff, maybe we should pay a little attention to places like the verge and paulie gone this week while GD see is happening. And and see what Google is going to do because I mean, if there's anyone that could make a giant splash into gaming that hasn't really made one yet. I mean Facebook has their play with Oculus, I guess, and obviously, Microsoft and Sony all these other big names are are in gaming Google, isn't really so. You know, they're doing something big in. We're gonna find out what it is. Absolutely. And then we'll talk about it. How does that sound Glenn? That sounds fantastic Yemen. When we come back we actually have back to back interviews. This is going to be great guys. I with Brian Aspinall, the author of code breaker block breaker speaker travels all over talks to people about programming in gamification. He's on next. And then right after that this year's Hugh emerging teacher of the year, Andrew or Avello. Quests one of class. Cresswell's popular features with over a hundred thousand lessons created by teachers and three million learning objectives completed by students. So far is now part of class crafts free offerings in twenty nineteen year. Students won't just be learning. Multiple -cation chemistry or any other content. They'll be saving the kingdom transform your lessons into adventures with quest today visit class craft dot com. For more information. All right. Welcome back to the podcast. We would like to welcome Brian Aspinall to the show. Brian is a teacher speaker and presenter on coating and gamification he's the author of code breaker and the just released smash hit follow up book locked breaker smash hit Brian welcome to the show. I love it. I that's thank you so much. It's happy actress stay after all the books. Green. Right. Can I right, right? You're gonna you're gonna play this later. We're recording on St. Patty's day, we are recording on Saint Patrick's Day. So it's not likely that you have to introduce yourself to many of our listeners. But why don't you do it? Anyways. Give ourselves a give yourself a kind of an introduction of Brian astronaut one. Oh one. Yeah. Sure. My name's Brian Osborne. All educated, I spent most of my teaching career grade seven eight for twelve years these days, I'm teaching the various faculties Vada here on dutiful aerial Canada. That's right in two thousand sixteen. I think this is rod. So I I've been thinking about it a bit in two thousand sixteen you won the prime minister's award for teaching excellence like holy crap. That that must have been a pretty proud accomplishment for you. You don't want. It really was. But I think the the most humbling heard of not is you have to be nominated. So yeah, not my colleagues thought highly of name means so much more than winning the award. Winning the words great for the fact that people took time out to put that application together. Because it's it's pretty lengthy. There was parents in students in colleagues involved in my mind ministration, so very flattered. So let's talk about let's talk about the first book. Let's talk about code breaker. I found it as much of anything a bit of a almost like a manifesto. It reminded me of all the reasons why we teach coding also I love that you integrated real kind of program examples into. The book. So that people could get a solid idea of what you were talking about at anytime. That was obviously intentional right? Yeah. I was very intentional. I mean, I knew coming out of grad school that I wanted to publish something. I didn't know if that would be a research paper, or what that sorta look like so any opportunity came to work with the pirate authors, I jumped at the chance, but I didn't wanna right just that how to coating buck or the technical menu script if you will. I wanted it to be a bit about my educational philosophies beliefs as well and things I've learned in my classroom with regards to what it means to fail in taking risks. And all those other trendy buzzy themes we have in education today right on right on. So we were just together a couple of weeks ago in Edmonton. And I wanna bring up an interesting moment. I'm hoping hoping you remember it to interesting what we had together we were sitting. With a women we were having breakfast. And she she just started hammering us with questions. You're laughing. So I know you remember it she she's just starting to hammering us with questions, but the the one that you like you didn't say anything for a while. And I was trying to just kind of handle it here. And then, but she asked a question, and you jumped in she asked why we should teach kids to code, and you said so like it was so sinked and to the point, and you just like it gives students voice and everything stopped in. And I thought yeah, exactly that was like what I should have said. And you said it in like one sentence, and I agree completely. And so we talked about how coating has the potential to reach students who were previously unreachable or unin gauged. Can you spend some time breaking that down a little bit? Yeah. Absolutely. So coding, tools like scratch, tools like Minecraft? I mean, that's the theme of my two books wrapped around computational thinking, call your sandbox. Learning experiences than they provide a level of equity, the very low floor, very high ceiling, very wide wall. So multiple entry points. So it doesn't matter. The ability of the student anybody can can demonstrate learning in in those spaces and the scaffolding in the differentiation is so natural that I believe it creates time for me to conference with other students when when kids were engaged in those spaces. So there is an equity side to that swimming. We've all got the technology, of course. But I in my experience it's allowed students who and I'm using air quotes, or no, you can't see me students who traditionally aren't good at school. I don't like the active, but builds confidence, right? And we have were starting to recognize other kids are seen as experts not just the musing the quotes. Again, the academic. You know, good students so to speak, right? Exactly. So block breaker the smash hit. What is this is a no brainer in my mind. A book that combines Minecraft and coding, so I mean, I guess we're preaching to the choir a little bit on this. But what in your mind makes Minecraft such a special unique coding environment? If you look at one Minecraft block as a cubic meter everything else falls into place from that. One. Simple fact. Just in a math classroom. If you want kids to build growing patterns mine crafts, great place to do it just like Lincoln cubes or LEGO. Do you want kids to explore surface area and volume in design pools that have specific volume that's a great spot to do that. But you don't have to just us. You know, building pools in Minecraft explore volume and surface area. You could build a pool in Minecraft with a specified volume at the house that you're also building 'cause you're learning about structures. And you're also telling your narrative story because you're writing a story in your English class. It just allows for so much spiraling of our curriculum. As you know, it's not project based approach that kids can just demonstrate so many curriculum expectations with such a simple fact that is, you know, one cubic meter as Minecraft block and even with their younger friends. We could say it's a Senate Akiba centimeter we want and go from there. Build with school to scale, for example. Exactly actually that that the funny project. I I've started trying to build my previous school this guy. I think that is one of those fun engaging assignments that that any school should totally do just just for the the engagement of of being able to to build their own school. I think that's a red. It's a Radic noting a friend of mine in lives about an hour from here. I think he's instruct Stratford I believe, hey, Jim Hedrick teaches scraped ten and he had his students build their their high school to scale, and they added the texture packs to actually make it look like the high school, and they invited their feeder schools to take a virtual tour while they're in grade eight before they could actually go to the high school in a magin being able to do a scavenger hunt during summer before high school know, go find your locker and all other pieces tremendously powerful so much fun. That's very cool. Now, I'm just going to put a little asterisk in there. The safe schools act about putting your building your school to scale and deploying it on the internet. You just wanna be careful about that. I guess so right. Where can people bought the book is out? Now, the book is out now. Right. Block breaker. You bet came out last Sunday March whatever the heck it was ten I guess it's exciting in its doing. Well, let's doing so. Well, and I'm really excited that it's bumped code breaker backup. You know, you see them both on Amazon is frequently together that's got me really really excited because people are eager to go high. And they wanna know, and I think both of those tools Minecraft in coding in general are very intimidating in yet lumped into that math world in math is a very intimidating subject areas. Well, so I hope that to provide, you know, nice little easy. Read short reads that just provide a window into what I've learned in. These tools have done for different types of students in my classroom. Amazing. So where can people connect with you online? What are the all the rays that you you communicate just honestly, Google me? You'll find whether you'll find my face luck. The top two posts will be my blog. My my resume my lengthened Instagram. It's all at Mr. Espinel. It's all the same handle very, very good. Thanks so much for joining us. Brian again, block breaker is out. Now, you can get it basically anywhere you go on. Yeah. Exactly. Awesome. People people should do that. We'll have a link to it. Also in the show notes. Thanks for joining us, man. It was great. Absolutely. Would love to do a follow up down the road. Awesome. Thanks so much jeers. All right. Welcome back to the podcast everyone. We are thrilled to be joined today by the man himself GameBoy drew Andrew era. Velo Andrew is a. Andrew is a big friend of the pod. And was just like just awarded the Q emerging teacher of the euro award at Q last week in California. Welcome to the podcast again, drew. Guys, happy to be here. And I am absolutely excited. Right. Glenn just woke me up like two minutes. Sorry for the delay of technical glitches. But you know, it was a crazy weekend, you know, salivating at Q, and yes, just kind of Gandhian not award. And I'm glad to be back with you guys. It's been awhile since we last spoke get so tell us a little bit about just cue conference itself. Adra if we're not familiar silver audience may not be familiar with the Olympic, California. Tell us about what is that emerging teacher of the year award. What what is all entail? Yeah. Exactly. So I I heard about Q last year, I received an Email from my principal, and he was like, hey, accused going on, you know, in a couple of months, would you like to go, and I was like sure. And and then I talked to one of my colleagues, and I was like, I have no idea. What Q is right. I literally thought it was the ladder q. I thought it was a letter. I was like, and then my buddy was like now what you've never heard of it. Oh, man, you got to go. So I was like all right. Why signed up? So I went to Q last year. It was my first year in March. And I was blown away by what I saw right by what I experienced by the people that I met it was like I had been living in teaching in isolation in I was introduced to this whole new world. This whole new culture of just innovators of, you know, people sharing because they wanna help kids not charging to share things. And I was like, wow. I mean, sign me up. And so it was funny. Because I remember last year I was sitting in the audience, and I was watching, you know, they have this huge Jumbotron screen if it was a packed room. I don't know like five thousands of maybe eight thousand people and the show video in it was titled be merging teacher of the year. And I was like. That's going to be mean next year. Right. I I I told myself I was like that is going to be me. Right. So what here we are one year from that date, and I just accepted my my award for the emerging teacher of the year. And it what it does is it it will teacher who's making outstanding difference in educational technology, but more specifically uneducated who is in their first seven years of teaching right? So awesome. In my for my fourth year of teaching and by winning that award. If I'm not mistaken. I now a get thrown into the mix for the young teacher of a year award or or whatever that is. So I know what winning the Q one. Yeah. Yeah. I become their automatic like advocate for that issue. One. What would have to do to make sure that you win that one? I don't know. I'm still trying to figure out if I have to to actually do any work myself for that. Or can I just show us? It's going as education is going to be read. Behind you worth for one hundred percent supportive of your. There we go, right? So yeah, I'm excited. And we'll see what happens. I guess now. I just wait with my fingers crossed, and regardless you know, it's been an amazing year. And I've gone some some amazing and wonderful opportunities like meeting you guys right FETC. You know, I always kind of think about it. If I never gone to Q last year. I probably wouldn't be talking to both of you right now thing, right? So so I mean what a difference a year makes like like, we're the same. We're in kind of the same boat with the changes that have happened over our careers in the last year when you think back over the last twelve maybe eighteen months, what do you think about when you think back? And how much you've changed? I mean, I'd say the biggest thing is, you know, just having that confidence to go out there to to introduce myself to people to go up on stage in share my DEA z-. I mean last year, I was still kind of timid so kinda shy. I hadn't, you know, developed this alter ego. This GameBoy, drew. You know? I was just I was just Andrew a rebel. Oh. And now, you know, I'm Andrew O Ravelo. But in the sense, I've kind of learned how to walk in my own shoes. Right. And it's kinda go out into this world in be like, hey, I'm not just Andrew rebel so right along with that drew you do an amazing job. I think at what I consider to be personal branding on social media and conferences, like, for example, the sticker swap that you guys had there at Q. Why do you believe it's so important as educators to do this? Because I know there's a there's actually a movement. I actually just this past week saw a gigantic Twitter feed about why we should it be personally branding. But I actually completely disagree. And I believe you do too. Why is it so important for us to go ahead and do that? Yes. Yes. There's like this stigma now against branding ourselves. You know? And it's so funny because I was actually having this conversation. With my fiance on her way back from Palm Springs last night. And we were talking about it. And I just kind of I think about it in this perspective right in this analogy. So I think one of one of the things I'd read about is the fact that branding isn't good because it kinda gets a teacher in like gets them into like self into a specialization where when people think of them, they only think of this idea or this concept that the teacher is doing right. Sure. Yes. But if we look back, I mean to put it in perspective think of Amazon right when Amazon was here when it was initially started. It was just a book company. Yes. So you know, you look at Amazon now they're doing some amazing and incredible things right in. It's not just about books. It's ever. So. Yeah. It's everything. Why does a teacher need to have a brand that only represents for example? In my case game based learning game of occasion, I'm more than that. And that that may kind of been my stepping stone into this whole brand. But that's not what what I represent. That's not just me. You know, I'm about design thinking, I'm about SDG's. I'm about blended learning. So yeah, I mean, it's not like I'm a block book blockbuster brand in. It's not like I'm doing the same thing over and over. You know, I'm I'm trying to extend, you know, myself in in many, different ways and learn from different people in, you know, by by branding. It's it's been the exact opposite. You know, I've I've gone. So so many opportunities, and it's just kind of opened my mind to, you know, different to new and to to me trying new things like I said because it's not about just representing one thing in my brand. It's it's more than that. You know, I want wanna be associated as like an Amazon brand not just selling books. Not just you know, doing things centered. On games. But but much more than that. So I don't know. I think that's kind of my my little. Yeah. And I think you've done it. So well that what advice would you have for other educators who are also interested in doing this like what's the the pathway? And I know you've actually done sessions. I think similar that we related to this. They whether the personal branding or just kind of like, you just said stepping out of that silo that most I Mike, and I talk about time that most teachers are not on Twitter and people killed Mike because he said that it actually he's right. Most teachers are not on Twitter in the and that's just one tiny aspect of basically growing as a professional is this whole idea of of using social media's of professional learning network, but it's someone is out there, and they really want to go ahead and step out. And they wanna go ahead and do it. How do they even get started? So I remember as I was so the way that the Q award works right for the emerging teacher of the year just to give some background on that is. Thurs? I think like say twenty affiliates of q located in California's while in battle. So when I first got nominated it I had to get nominated for my local affiliate and once I won that. Then I could kind of nominate myself and go forward and putting my application in for the the emerging teacher of the year like the overall winner where I compete against all the other local affiliate winners. Right. Yeah. And I was as I was doing that I had to fill out an application and I shared that. With a couple of different of of my colleagues on my buddies for my Talinn from Twitter, and one of the best pieces of advice that that I feel like I've ever gotten a came from a good friend of mine. And and she said don't be afraid to sell yourself. Don't be afraid to share your ideas. You know? And I think as teachers right won't win. We do brand ourselves. I. I feel like we kind of have to like it. If we want to all contribute to this community of practice. Right. And we want to help kids out. No matter what zip code, no matter. What state no matter what country than it is our obligation to have to share like we have to do it. You know and not charge like just do it for free, right? Yes. So you don't my advice would be to anyone who's kind of stepping out is don't be afraid to brand yourself. There's nothing negative about it. I mean, it's it's putting your own perspective, and you disco for share your ideas contribute to this larger community of practice that all teachers are part of because you know, you kind of oh it to to the next teacher. Right. I mean at some point someone in her life has helped us, right? A teacher a mentor trainer, principal, admin, etc. So, you know, we're just paying it forward. And and, you know, don't be afraid to Sal. Yourself don't be afraid to share your ideas. Well, you never you never know what? Doors are gonna open up to you as well. I mean, we're you're the three of us are great examples of this. I mean, the doors that have opened up for me in the last year have been on imaginable as well. And it's and it is because I put myself out there, and and because of the podcast and and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, if you if you have something to say, people should be saying it and not afraid to say it and own yourself own what you believe in and and don't be shy about it at all his whatever always said, if you've got if you've got something to say, you have every right in the world to say it and share share your feelings and share your thoughts and your passions. Because I mean, that's I mean, it's almost human nature. But it's certainly just something you should always do. So we think that's that's awesome. Speaking of awesome. I've loved loved this. Watching you share your experiences that you've had with your students as you learn and have been teaching them about entrepreneurship. And I think it's awesome. That you've taken them around to various businesses and had various business leaders into your classroom to speak to them. And I and I love what you're doing in this space. So what is it about entrepreneurship that you think is important for our students to to learn, you know? Yeah. Well, that's been one of my big projects this year right is because I also teach the the gate program at my school, right? And for that I teach fourth through eighth graders. And I think it's so amazing that when we stepped outside of the classroom, and we get these real authentic experience from from the local leaders from the local entrepreneurs who are doing big and doing it, successfully if we can learn from them, then we need to and it's just been nice to kind of bring all stakeholders together for that common goal for that common purpose, but entrepreneurial ship believe it or not is is big. Big big to me, you know, incense of it's it's in my heart. I love it. I I don't know if I've ever shared kind of like, my background with you guys. So I graduated high school right in two thousand eight yes. And. At that time. I was learning how to invest in the stock market in. If you guys remember what was going on in two thousand eight yes with? Yeah. Market was crashing. Right. So I think I I picked up shares of Bank of America, a c at like, two bucks, a share at Amazon, I had, you know, all these different companies than I'm just like this eighteen year old kid, not not even knowing what I'm doing. But I'm investing my money, and I eventually learned how to play the stock market, and I did it pretty successfully for a couple of years and through through bats, I was able to actually. A by couple of apartments. So I own those apartments with my fiance thoughts, and we we rent those apartments out. And that's what kind of funds all of these different side projects like going to conferences are you know, crazy expensive? That's we need. We need some apartments that we have. I've been doing my whole life. Yeah. So I mean, I it's it's big to me like in the sense of I love kind of just creating opportunities or making things that didn't exist there. You know in have like some of the best tenants. I mean, I'd love my tenants. And I always kind of, you know, Bank them for, you know, giving me a chance because it's funny as a landlord when I go and show, my apartment's, the people that are there light so wins the owner coming. And I'm like can we speak to the place? Yeah. I'm like, I am the owner. What are you talking about? Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I have I've had like literally attorneys doctors go to my apartments and things like that. And they're like, okay. Yeah. So we're never going to judge a book by its cover. Right. So I mean, yeah. Entrepreneurship is just near and dear to my heart. And you didn't one of the crazy things is as I was learning how to invest in the stock market, and then a buddy of mine, and he was a retired teacher in. He kind of also in the sense took me under his wing help me with some of those technical stock market questions that I had and that guys like a multimillionaire, it's insane. You know, he's like the retired teacher lives in like this small little house just drives like the same car that he's drove in driven forever. Yeah. And you would never expect an end. It's amazing. Because I always think of you know, the precise teachers, you know. You know, we're all broke in things like that. And I see my buddy of mine who's like freaking a multi millionaire. Obvious obviously. Yeah. It's it's, you know, not not something that happens typically. But I think that's pretty cool. So yeah. Hopefully, I didn't go off to to off tangent. Mel we love it. All right. Yeah. No. I think it's I think it's great that you're teaching your kids season. And I'm sure that they've enjoyed the the experience that you know, I think that one of the reasons why I I like talking about space, for example in this. This can be sort of related to what you're doing is that I want kids to believe in a magin that they could be astronauts, right? Like, I want them to think, hey, I could do this too. And so when you put business leaders in front of kids, you want them, I think part of me would would say that. I would want them to say, hey, look at look at these guys look at look at this. Andrew guy who owns like four apartments before he's twenty years old or whatever. And you know, they can do that too. There's there's not a whole lot stopping kids from doing almost anything in a lot of cases and. I think that it inspires kids to to reach for whatever they're trying to reach for. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, it's nice because they get to the skills from the local entrepreneurs. But I also to give them my own two cents like Hase. This is what I've done. And this is what I'm doing. So you know, I you guys can do it too. What's stopping, you know, who's who's saying you can't do it? Exactly as I love it. Now GameBoy drew Andrew a little thanks for being on the podcast in joining us once again, and we'll we'll see you soon. 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