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Tonight on all in with Eddie Gallagher. You know that story very well they want to take away and I said No. You're not gonNA take it away. He was a great fighter disturbing bring testimony from Navy seals about their platoon chief. who was pardoned by the president and hosted at Mar-a-lago? Here's the One of the ultimate fighters winters tough guy the durant l. g. seven sham revealed they went to places all over the country and they came back and they said this is where would like to be. Now we had military rotate people doing it. We had secret service people doing documents that show what the secret service actually thought about. Trump's hotel site regardless of the spent Durrell barral was by far and away foreign away the best physical facility a for this meeting and with just over a month until Iwa my special guest tonight. Twenty Twenty candidate Andrew Yang when all in starts right now good evening from New York. I'm Chris as we have have shocking. New footage of what the men in the unit of an accused were criminal thought about him. Previously unreleased footage obtained by The New York Times of Navy feels describing actions by their platoon leader. Man By the name of Eddie Gallagher. Gallagher has become a figure at the center of an enormous moral scandal in the trump administration. Shen perhaps one of its worst. Over the summer in Military Court acquitted gallagher of most of the war crimes charges. He'd been charged with but he was found guilty of one lesser charge for posing for a picture with a man's corpse and that resulted in him being demoted. The military began the formal process of stripping his seal status but then Donald Trump against against the wishes of top military leaders intervened restoring its rank ordering the navy to keep him in the seals. Now it's worth noting that donald trump campaigned on a pro war crime platform in two thousand. Sixteen would I approve. Water-pouring you bet your ass side approval that in a heartbeat heartbeat and I would approve more than that. And don't kid yourself folks it works. He took fifty bullets. And they dip them in pigs. Blood and Eddie had his men load his rifles and he lined up the fifty people and they shot forty nine of those people. And and the fiftieth person he said you go back to your people and you tell them what happened and for twenty five years there. It wasn't a problem okay. Now we're talking about waterboarding. I said it's fine and if we want to go stronger I'd go stronger to given that it's perhaps not surprising that Eddie Gallagher would become a kind of caused celeb- for Donald Trump and his orders and the president has reportedly told allies. He wants to bring Eddie Gallagher out on the campaign. AM Patriot with input. Fact get this just this past week in the President and First Lady Hosted Gallagher and his wife at mar-a-lago yours at dinner with Eric. Trump and Rudy Giuliani. Here's the thing Eddie. Gallery retired special operations chief seal team seven the guy you saw posing with the president son and his personal lawyer. He was accused of some very very serious war crimes in Iraq. Two thousand seventeen was accused of the attempted murder of unarmed civilians including old man and a schoolgirl. He was accused of stabbing thing an isis captive multiple times. He was convicted of posing for a picture with that dead. Man's corpse of Gallagher denies all the charges today New York Times published. Lift a trove of interviews. which have never been shown publicly before statements made from any gallagher's fellow seal team members to investigators speaking out about what they saw? Aw Some quotes. The Guy is freaking evil. The Guy was toxic. You could tell he was perfectly okay with killing anybody. That was moving the The Times. Also obtained video recordings of the interviews of seals describing the scene when Eddie Gallagher approached nicest captive that he was accused of stabbing a a warning. The first image may be disturbing gallagher comes on the scene with his medical bag and push the kid down on the ground while each checks him for wounded. And then you can see a hand reach up and turn off Helmet Cam. What did you access in also start stabbing the dude? I see any thing overall the knife to say anything did this or did you just implied knife. I'm just starts to pull that knife. Serves how close equal. You are me by her her one time. We'll times probably two or three times. NBC News did not reach out to the individual seals comment on that video obtained by The New York Times but the New York Times says they did. Yeah reach out every one of them and they all declined comment. Eddie Gallagher defense lawyer said the video interviews were right with inconsistencies and falsehoods and that those inconsistencies created needed a clear roadmap to the acquittal. His lawyer told all in the New York Times failed to give context the videos that the supposed eye witnesses actually at inconsistent stories the seal team members. who were the witnesses? Didn't like gallagher because he was too hard on them. There's a lack of corroborating evidence. One of the reasons that Eddie Gallagher was acquitted of murder. How had to do with a remarkable moment during his trial? Okay we're the prosecution's star witness special operator First Class Cory Scott Medic who said he saw gallagher stab the Nice of captive multiple times changed his story on the stand he said the gallagher stab the captive wants he. correy's got killed the captive by suffocation. No one was prepared for that. It was a shock to everyone in the room at least for the prosecutors because that witness was testifying under immunity that it'd be granted he could not be charged. The killing and had Gowda was acquitted of the charges of murder of that captive also put it attempted murder civilians. These convicted of posing with a corpse that did captive. We still do not know the story of what led to this medic to change his tune on the sand and basically admit to killing the captain. But we do know that after the trial the Pentagon basically wanted to kick Eddie Gallagher out of the seals and president trump intervened and he ordered them to reinstate gallagher's rank and that led to to the very public resignation of the secretary of the navy. Who so disagreed? With the president's handling of the case he quit and trump clearly thinks his embrace ace of Eddie Gallagher as a way to ingratiate himself with active duty members of the military and their families but there are a lot of people inside the armed forces were furious about this fact recent polling calling for the military time shows half of active duty troops view. The president unfavorably joining me. Now Leo Shane. He's a deputy editor the military times. Which of course has been covering the story along with many other issues? Andrew Dyer who covers the military for the San Diego Union Tribune. He was actually in the courtroom for full nation. Eddie Gallagher's trial Andrew. Let me just start with you. Maybe about that moment I mean so much happens in the moment in which the the star witness the prosecution comes in and changes his story on the stand. What what was that moment? Like in the courtroom baucus it was really surreal. Going into the trial. We had a pretty good idea of what each witness was. I was going to say Um it was in serious records. We kind of knew their stories and when he said that he suffocated the fighter rider. That was something new something we hadn't heard before and you know a kind of washed over the courtroom in a wave I almost I Had to replay my mind like did I just hear what I just heard in. Yeah do we know the full story. Follow up I'll come to you in a second Leo but do we actually know the full story toward what happened there like what. Why testimony changed? Well I talked to a gallagher's lawyer Tim pro-tory yesterday and he said that in a preliminary canary interview with Corey Scott. He had gone up to the edge of this inquiry. Scott it said something about a suffocation and Scott's attorney cut Parlor Tori off saying that they were going to go any further without clarifying an immunity deal and in the trial before this section of testimony. MODY The judge told Corey Scott that he was fully immune from whatever he was about to say on the stand Leo. This case is obviously attracted enormous attention. I wonder what from your perspective at the Military Times what how it is reverberated through Kern active duty members. Yeah it's definitely the Concerning case for a lot of folks because it seems as if trump has has wade into an area where we haven't traditionally seen presidents. Obviously the president has the power to to pardon Gardner Greenwich Clemency. But in this case as you as you recapped chief gallagher was acquitted of the most serious charges was was found to be guilty of conduct conduct unbecoming and Navy thought they were dealing with it internally and the president stepped in and said now we should. We should forget that we should look look beside that. He's done eight deployments. There's a a lot of good and his background so I'm going to intervene. Not just on on the issue of the crime here but all the way down to the issue of his rank whether or not he'd be reinstated as a seal whether they're not he could call himself a chief anymore so You know the the reverberations are just a lot of shock as to the commander in chief coming down this as far on on a case. That's already really complicated and really convoluted Andrew. How does the picture painted of Gallagher in the newly unearthed FOOTAGE FROM THE NEW YORK. Times how does that sort of fit or not fit with the image painted of him at trial. Well it does square with their testimony testimony In most cases these seals testified to the same things that they had told investigators. It's a I think it's important to note that the two of these seals that were in these preliminary interviews Were not called to testify. Gallagher's court-martial including one Pity officer Ivan Villanueva who initially told investigators he saw gallagher stab the fighter yet. After Scott after Scott's testimony for whatever reason the prosecutors decided not to call Villanueva which has always stood out to me and to this day neither the prosecutors nor the navy the have offered any explanation. Why a witness to this alleged stabbing did not testify part of the part of the sort of question here? Leo and I think the the difficulty of this memorial perspective perspective is the president. Says he's looking out for our quote warfighters but of course there were members of his own unit that were destroyed by the actions that they took tremendous risks has to come forward to testify to talk to investigators and they have essentially been thrown by the wayside and that that becomes the question here obviously. He's he's throwing himself in in Gallagher's corner honor and said that he's standing up for warfighters by standing with him. But as we saw from the released today you know. A lot of the public had heard that some of the heels didn't like him I don't know what the effect effect will be of seeing just just in in black and white here just how emotional some of their testimony is and how many folks are sort of left in the wake of this now you you know if if you're a member of the military and you're seeing this and you see something improper down mange what's your reaction going to be. Should you report this to your higher ups and it's something that you feel confident at that. The military code of Justice is going to be well held and going to be followed or is it something where down the line. Maybe it can be reversed and you get into trouble furbishing whistleblower. Now that is a great point about what incentives have been set up by this one action Not just one action. There's other parts of president has issued as well. Leo Shane Andrew Dire. Thank you gentlemen down in both. Thank you joining me now. John smoltz former. US Army officer in Iraq war veteran the CO founder and former chairman of the vote vets advocacy group. John and I know you feel strongly about this case. I've I've watched some of the things you said. How do you feel about what has happened? What we learned today from that testimony and what the president's involvement here means? I think the first thing I took today from the testimony came out of the New York Times. You Watch these veterans talk. You could could feel the pain in their voices and I. I think we could talk about a lot today. We talk about the ramifications of what this means for the United States and foreign countries we could talk about the ramifications of what this means for for our troops currently on the ground in combat. We talk about what this means for future troops who you know maybe have seen something wrong. They should turn in but the pain that you hear in. The voices of the seals feels as they go to explain what happened to them is heartbreaking because what they were really in my. What I felt was that they were trying to relieve some of their own guilt of of being around an incident or being around a chief who is their senior noncommissioned officer in this deployment do things illegal and that this really was a cry for help for for them to go to? NCIS and it's really hard for me to watch them deal with that pain. There's also a broader question here about the way the president conceives of of What US policy should be about the commission of war crimes about torture He talked and the campaign about killing the family members of quote for terrorists. He told that Apocryphal story about a US general dipping bullets in pigs blood. He's he seems to relish in the kinds of things is that an entire structure has been erected within the US armed forces over decades to prevent from happening he. He's basically telling the navy. I don't trust you to to manage your own business and we've never seen anything like this. We've never seen a scenario where the military chain of command the military justice system basically has it's checkmated by the commander in chief so you can basically do anything wrong right now in any of the service branches and if you can get you know Pete Hegseth Ooh Fox News host to promote you on a president or a show the president watches it can certainly undermine the entire military chain of command so he's damage the military's damage military leaders military officers for what is essentially political drama that he wants to use for his own political benefit and he's damaged institute institute just like he's damaged other institutions through his dealings during the impeachment. He's damaged the the institution of the Armed Forces which was still a respected institution. And I think that's really heartbreaking for everybody who's WHO's in the military who has served in it you know this this Calls to mind this polling that the military times did recently which was really striking. You may very unfavorable views. This think about active duty members forty five percent very favourable just twenty four percent John Overall underwater in favorability within the US military surprise you. It doesn't surprise me. The president on his on an elevator going down. I mean there was a reason we have a website. Called trump is a national security threat. He disrespect a gold star family. Right con he has decided that he's going to pay for the border wall by taking money out of the Department of Defense School system just this weekend over Christmas. He decided he would depart to deport. Family members of active duty military deployed deployed. So it's you know pardoning war criminals is par for the course with his war on the military and so it doesn't surprise me that you see his poll numbers inside the military going. I mean from where they were down and I will remind you. That's a military times poll so that's a more conservative reader base to start so you know. This is a long-term arm because it's been thing after thing after thing that's taken us to the point where I I think you know. For the first time we could see the military voter in the veteran voter really turn against the Republican president. Last question for you has to do with with the implications of what the president has done in this case and a few other cases reaching in to the the military justice system What that will mean for someone in a unit who sees something they think is wrong or witnesses what is genuinely an atrocity or maybe as something that just seems sort of off and what's going to go through their mind when they think about whether to report that it's really hard what they did? The seal community is very close community. There is a case in Bamako. Mali 2017 where a seal was involved with a murder of a green beret. And this had to do with the telling of misconduct conduct and so we have a scenario in the special operations community. That's a little bit different where people fear now. Hey if I break this code. What are the ramifications across the military As well so. I think now when people see misconduct that should be reported that they know that that's their duty and obligation. There's going to be a fear going forward on whether or not they should report it at all. Aw One thing is for certain into the seals that that we met today on that video they are heroes and they can rest assured tonight that the American public knows that and that the American public in ten or twenty and thirty years. We'll we'll look at them in even better late then than they do today. All right John. Thank you so much making time tonight. Thanks a lot crist I up next. The president wants to get moving. The goal posts is impeachment. Trial approaches. Senator Richard Blumenthal joins me on that in just two minutes. Hey Guys Willie geist here. This this week on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast. I get together with Emmy and Tony winning actor John Lithgow to talk about his prolific career from the stages of Broadway to Daddy's home two and everything in between get it now for free wherever you download your podcasts. 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New episodes every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. From the very first moment the house announcing impeachment inquiry president trump trump and his allies have been making a series of self-contradictory internally inconsistent constantly evolving process. Critiques it has now reached a new level of it's insanity with the president tweeted critique. He saw trump TV that it is the houses job to get witnesses. Look the house is supposed to do all this work on witnesses and documents documents before the end the articles over the Senate not to call a new witness because go through new documents. That work is supposed to be done the house. Here's the thing the house tried to do that. Ah The reason they were not able to get those witnesses to testify is because they tried to end. The White House ordered them not to testify but that's Donald Trump's translators argument because we stopped those folks from testifying the house. They can't testify in the Senate houses. Job Just absurd on. Its face joining me now to try and make sense of of all this Senator Richard Blumenthal Democratic Connecticut. He sits on the Judiciary Committee among other committees as well senator I I think you agree. These processor sir. Critiques are are absurd but I I'm curious what you make of Comments yesterday or Tuesday by your colleague. Lisa Murkowski expressing some Disapproval of McConnell's statement that he would essentially be working coordination with the White House. I think Chris what those was. Comments reflect is that it is impossible to make sense of this position that they need more information and evidence but they don't want wanted to be presented in the Senate. That position is essentially untenable. What is striking Lisa? Murkowski's comments reflect. Is that the message is really breaking through to the American people. That's why seventy percent of them think that witnesses and documents should be presented in this trial. That's why this comment by Lisa. Murkowski that the McConnell strategy of in effect coordinating with the White Eight House or working hand in glove is essentially a violation of the oath. And that's repugnant. That the American people so more and more I think we will see you. The American people get it and that this cover up by McConnell and trump is understood by them that my republican colleagues are complicit in it and they will be held accountable in the Court of Appeals. It won't be a legal court of Appeals. It will be the court of public opinion eventually in the election and by history history. Do you anticipate that. We're going to get some resolution. There was talked reports today that whatever talks there had been between Shumer McConnell on setting some ground rules which by the way in the last impeachment trial where we're adopted by unanimous consent. We're no sort of individual votes on that they had broken down. What is your sense of the state of play right now? The ball is really an Mitch. McConnell's court we have made a very reasonable proposal for witnesses who have direct knowledge again. Direct knowledge not hearsay. I say of the events that show conclusively trump's abuse of power and is obstruction of Congress and documents such as no two phone calls send emails and other kinds of messages. That again are direct evidence that the American people deserve to see and hear so i. I fully understand the speaker's position that she wants a full fare preceding before she will send over the articles of impeachment impeachment. She wants that assurance before Chea points or managers and I think that's what the American people want to. And I think that Mitch McConnell eventually will be forced by these cracks in his. Implacable Wall is reflected in Lisa Murkowski's comments and by other colleagues who are saying it privately. Question is will they say publicly. Will they act on it when I ask you a question about the story. We just did With Chief Gallagher and the the press the United States reaching in to restore his rank to overturn and circumvent the the military justice system. What are the implications of that? What what do you think that does to our armed forces? The implications are really deeply disturbing. The reports are absolutely repugnant and we'll be regarded as such by our military because in no way does it reflect their integrity discipline or values and president trump's interference in the military justice systems absolutely reprehensible and outrageously roads trust in the command structure and the uniform code of Military Justice and now our obligations members of the United States Senate. I hope what my colleagues will join me in condemning that interference by the president but also in reaffirming our commitment to strict prosecution of war crimes. Respect as well for the military professionals who have to administer this system of justice and for our military in general all too often as that poll that you cited reflects our military really has been disregarded and disrespected by the president as when he withdrew who who's from Turkey when he sent troops to the border in effect. Politicizing are great United States military and I think the implications therefore really are very very very disturbing all right Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut. Thank you very much. Thank you going up. The president's rationale for putting the g seven and his own resort debunked longtime black and white. That's next it became apparent at the end of that process That Durrell was by. I foreign away far and away the best physical facility for this meeting in fact I was talking to one of teams when they came back and I said what was the like and it's not going to believe leaving but it's almost like they built this facility to host this type of event. I love that piece of tape. Remember when acting White House Chief of staff what out there and we totally straight phase tried to convince everyone that president was forced to award himself a multimillion dollar government contract to host the D. Seven and have a bunch of world leaders. Come to south Florida in the middle of the summer because no the place was as good as drought. The president tried to make the case that the secret service preferred route route. They went to places all over the country and they came back and they said this is where we are now. We had military people. Doing we had secret service people doing. We had people that really understand what it's about. It's not about me. It's about getting the right location. Well folks citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington formally only requested government records on the Durrell election. And you'll never guess whether that story holds up here with me now and no bookbinder the executive director of crew. No what did you ask four. And what did you get look. We asked for what the Secret Service had the documents. That showed their internal deliberations when they were considering excites and Lo and behold what we found was far from what Mick Mulvaney and the president reported. which is that out of the secret? Secret services process came to rally as the clear choice. Instead Durrell was added into the process very late in the game it was was added from the outside and the secret service had concerns about it So it certainly was not that they came in and and begged for this This is something that we only got Really One One email and we know there's likely more out there but this was enough to show. Clearly the president's version is made up and this is something that clearly benefits his businesses and him. Personally one of the most striking things about this at the time and I I'm still sort of not over it because because of how brazen it was and how obviously erupted is to award yourself a multi-million dollar government contract was at the time the mayor of Durrell didn't even know the dared Barron Hilton Alta. Just talked to the mayor. Durell now needs to plan to host eight world leaders and thousands of diplomats. He learned this when we did by watching TV. He still hasn't gotten a call from the White House. I mean that itself sort of shows you something. Well that's right well. We also requested documents of communications between the Secret Service and the Police Department in drought and we got nothing. Well we we got a lot of documents but nothing showing that there was any communication about about the G. Seven. We can't conclusively basically say that there was nothing but certainly based on what we have. It doesn't look like The city was ever given the heads up about this. This was hardly a thorough process that lead inexorably to the president's Club. Rather what it looks like is the president wanting to bring this multimillion dollar world world event. That would be incredible publicity for his business To his property and using the levers of government to make it so it also strikes me that when I was reading The the email that you guys unearthed and and and the foia requests you have is just how much because the trump organization is a private that business despite the fact that is owned by the president and his entire financial fortune rests upon it. That we don't have a window into that. There are foyer the rules and there are public records access that you can get but we just don't get anything about the trump work that's right. The freedom of Information Act. Let's get government documents now. This administration fights us and fights reporters and others tooth and nail to make it hard to get those but we do ultimately get a lot of information about what's going on within the government With the trump organization doesn't have to turn over documents and Congress and we have in litigation and many others have. I've been fighting to get information about the president's finances from day one with very little success and we really have very little idea of the scope of of his use of the presidency and abuse of the presidency to benefit his businesses. This remains the sort of great untold story and something that has been told sporadically at the edges by Arnhold and others. But we can't really get appearing to wooden supreme court's GonNa rule on some cases Pertaining to financial records subpoenas coming hang up Noah bookbinder. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for having me coming up the race to replace President Trump Twenty twenty candidate Andrew. Yang joins me ahead. Hey Everyone Steve Kornacki here i WanNa tell you about an NBC news podcast. I'm hosting called article two inside impeachment. It's exclusively dedicated to bringing you the latest developments on the impeachment of president trump. I talked to NBC News reporters who are closest to the story to break down. What's new what matters? And what it means for the twenty twenty election and our country new episodes drop every Monday Wednesday and Friday. Search now wherever you're listening to this podcast subscribe for free for years now. President trump has used the city of Chicago an incredible vibrant meaning city and the tragedy of hundreds of people who've been killed there by gun violence as a gross and racist inflammatory political. Talking Point. He'll make the rise in shootings in Chicago. which really did go up quite sharply a number one story across the country? We did a town hall on violence in Chicago. Back in twenty seventeen fact on that panel. There's the current Mayor Lori lightfoot who was not the mayor then we did extended reporting on policing in Chicago goes well through the years. Donald trump and largely the national news media have been silent on the second half of this story according to newly released data from Chicago. Police Department and shooting incidents are down forty percent over the past three years. Murders are down fourteen percent just this year and thirty six percent over the past three years now with progress like this one can easily imagine a world in which Donald Trump having smear Chicago for years and having absolutely no shame turns around and takes credit for the improvement. But he won't do that because he fundamentally does not think Chicago is part of the country that he represents it's a foreign land to him. It's not trump land. That's as far more about Donald. Trump does about Chicago or the past year or so. There have been at least twenty eight candidates in the race for the Democratic Democrat president from including a bunch of very prominent people. Very serious BIOS. Who've just come and gone? People like Senator Comma Harris who entered the race is on the front runners but dropped out earlier earlier this month or the current Mayor Mayor of the largest city in America New York City's build a blase whose presidential candidacy barely registered as a blip amid all the comings and goings goings our been to genuine surprise stories. One is the rise of Buddha judge. The mayor of a city of about one hundred thousand people who won his last election we just over eighty five hundred votes. He's now polling in the top four nationally highly competitive in the first two states and the other is Andrew Gang who very few people had heard of before he decided to run for president. The forty four year old entrepreneur entrepreneur has built basically completely from scratch out of nothing. Erode bus campaign operation attracted a genuinely enthusiastic basis. Support has raised lots of money and it is all allowed him to outlast and outpolled numerous sitting governors and senators and has repeatedly propelled him onto the debates. Dave even as many of his bigger bigger-name rivals have failed to make the cut. It's really pretty remarkable story and joining me now. Is Andrew Yang Democratic candidate for president. It's good to have you Chris Great to see you happy holidays. Thank you for having me on. Okay so I wanNA talk about healthcare. The first this has been obviously the subject of a lot of debate. You've talked talked about the debates you've talked to on the campaign trail but I'm slightly confused about your position. The first ad that your campaign ran was with your wife and talk about your son and she he says that you would fight for Medicare for all. It's been sort of a part of the platform along with the freedom dividend which we'll talk about you recently. Put out a healthcare. Some language would your website where you say you support the spirit of Medicare for all which leads me slightly confused about what actually pro grammatically would want to see happen. Well what Medicare for all means too. Many Americans is universal healthcare. That's high quality and lower zero cost and that is exactly what I'm championing. We need to provide health care to all Americans but I would not get rid of all private insurance plans immediately because millions of Americans are on those plans enjoy those plans in many cases negotiated for those plans. In lieu of higher wages. The goal of the government has to be demonstrate that we can out compete the private insurance plans and squeeze them out of the market over time so so is that something along. The lines of positions taken by Joe Biden indigestion. A few others in which there would be essentially the availability of buying into Medicare for poor people. Yes it is quite similar but our plan. Dan has lower minimal cost for many Americans and then co pays just so that you have a little bit skin in the game so it is similar but we think that we've improved improved upon some of the other proposals. That are out there the other big the other big issue that you've talked about and I think there's been some kind of engines of your campaign for while. I think it was the thing that you are known on for his Some version of universal basic income. You call it a dividend of one thousand dollars a month. There's a lot of people who are two two questions about that one. This is sort of confused about how that interact with other things. The government does the earned income tax credit or other benefits for instance. Like would those go away and be replaced by that leaving someone worse off and second second of all the question of you know for people that are in dire poverty or really have problems with with with low income work. That's not enough money. Also the last thing I would ever do is take something away from Americans or leave someone worse off the freedom dividend is universal. And opt in. And if you decide to opt in you would be foregoing certain cash cash like benefits that do not include healthcare. Do not include housing vouchers. When I talked to Americans around the country those who are receiving government German benefits often are very anxious about losing those benefits? I love the earned income tax credit but thirty percent of Americans were eligible for the earned income tax credit. I don't actually receive it because they don't understand how to file for and there are massive timing of payments issues. Because if your car breaks down now and I tell you you're going to get a tax refund next spring. It doesn't help you get to work so I would never do anything to leave. Americans worse off. We have to build a foundation or floor that elevates elevates us all and starts to move forward in the twenty first century because we're going through the greatest economic transformation in our country's history right now. Let's talk about that. You talk about the threat of autumn automation and I think you connect that in some ways and there's a lot of people I think who who similar school of thoughts and people written about you be I another contacts ex. That automation is going to take away a lot of people's jobs in the future. It's going to get progressively more ambitious. What jobs are automated either? The counter to that and Paul Krugman wrote this up and other people said it is that that threat has always loomed at every moment of industrial development. And there's something called a lump of labour fallacy. Right the idea that there's a set number of jobs in the robots or the machines or the factory machines. Take some of them. There's less for everyone else which has not borne out to be the case. Why do you think it's different this time well? The pace of change in the scope of technology is much much more extreme. This time it's going to impact many more parts of the economy. You then pass transitions. I'm here in South Carolina and they lost ninety thousand manufacturing jobs now a third of their stores in malls or closing and being a retail clerk. Mark is still the most common job in our country so we have to recognize that. Yes they're going to be many new jobs that get created but these jobs are going to tend tend to be four different people with different skills in smaller numbers than the jobs that are being lost in communities around the country. But isn't that partly just a question of like Labor bargaining power and also a little bit of redistribution right. I mean like there was no reason that for instance making a car was a good middle class job until the UAW nuys and basically made it a good middle class jobs. It seems like there's lots of jobs that might get created in the question about how much power workers have over their wages. Ages ends up being really the determinative. One yeah you hit the nail on the head where unions have been this massive force for better compensation and benefits benefits. Union membership has declined by fifty percent over the last number of years and as a result most Americans are not benefiting from that kind of collective bargaining power. Or if you put this foundation of a thousand dollars a month into workers hands it actually makes workers much much harder to exploit and push around and this plan that I'm championing. Championing is not Originally my plan Andy. Stern who used to be the largest labor union leader in the country proposed this as a response to automation in in his twenty fifth book raising the floor and so this idea has been with us for a long time is just overdue that we actually put it into law. Okay final question. I WanNa ask you you about your trajectory here and your relationship to the Democratic Party. It seems to me that from the folks that are supporters of yours and people online that you're you're reaching a lot of people who haven't traditionally been involved in politics or part of the Democratic Party. How do you view your relationship with the Democratic Party? What have you is your your role in the larger sort of ecosystem? Oh system of the party. In whose primary running. Thanks for asking Chris. I registered Democrat for a long time. I served as is an honorary ambassador. In the Obama Administration to me. The Democratic Party needs to try and dig deeper and figure out how. We're going to solve the problems. I got Donald Trump elected. But I've been a loyal Democrat for years. I'm just trying to provide new energy and new ideas to the Democratic Party to help us all move forward in the twenty first century entry. I would certainly never do anything that would increase the chances of Donald trump becoming president again staying president. And I'm thrilled that I'm bringing independence and Libertarians. Disaffected trump voters into the fold. That's how we're going to grow the Democratic Party and that's how we're going to beat Donald Trump in twenty twenty all right Andrew under Yang. Who is in South Carolina where he is campaigning? Running for President Thank you so much for making time tonight. I appreciate it. Thank you Chris. South Carolina the state of the arrest. The two thousand twenty field. How things have changed and how? They've stayed the same next as always just saying a lot has changed but in the Democratic presidential field this year candidates have come and gone and then once we thought we were done with. All of the candidates. Other new candidates are shown up. There's been a lot of fluidity and twists and turns things but it's also actually been incredibly stable race in some ways. Consider this as New York. Magazine correspondent gave Benedetti pointed out on twitter in December of last year a a year ago two thousand eighteen Joe Biden was pulling at twenty seven point. Five percent and Bernie Sanders was it nineteen percent. That's an an average of polls one year later Biden is pulling at twenty seven twenty in percent and sanders is that nineteen point. Three eight is almost identical joining me now. A pair of veteran democratic pollsters. Linda Lake is president of Lake Research and MSNBC NBC political analyst Cornell Belcher. I was so struck by that that little factoid from from Gabe and I want to each you at some level actually not that surprising rising I mean Bernie Sanders. The runner up last time and it's US name recognition following Joe Biden's probably the most famous and well known Democrats and he was the Vice President Barack Obama home. What do you think about those to the stability? So far Celinda I think stability is exactly what's mark the election and and you know. Democratic primary voters craned of flirt and date with a number of people and then they come back to think about. Who are they going to marry? And who they're going to marry is really important written this time because who they're gonNA marry has to be Donald Trump and that's lantis certain stability to the people who had the broadest most diverse and as long as term coalitions and those were really da Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. It's interesting because need silver. I thought an interesting point. He said it's really going on. Cornell is that there's been extremely stable primary among the sixty percent of Democrats who do not grow who did not graduate from college and mostly Love Burn. Burn Biden Bernie Bernie and then a relatively volatile on on the forty percent who did graduate college and the media only covers a forty percent. What do you think that Cornell? I think that that is is. It's two things one. I think. We'll have to comment on this before I go for I. I love that Yang interview was fantastic by the way Chris. I'm sure he's in South Carolina. He wouldn't found every black Yang supportive possibly fide title. I don't know but they were there but a smart but it's also also it's sort of a broader conversation about sort of your abilities or you have to be able to compete for people of color but to the to the larger point looking. Have David puffs you know You know voice still still in my ear from two thousand seven two thousand eight. It is a state by state race. Yes it is incredibly stable at at at the top but it's not a national election right sort of plus argument you know when we were battling against Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton was always sort of the national front runner but state by state by state contest. And if you look at some of the other states it's a lot more volatile and I awoke and there's a lot more in new and New Hampshire That is nationally and and those states will matter as as well as South Carolina and Nevada and the long term. One of the things that one sort of new wrinkles and what could have been a source of volatility. Is these two people. were running Tom Steiner. And now Michael Bloomberg who are are just spending real amounts of money. I mean each over one hundred million together. They're they're they've they've lapped the field multiple times in total spending. It's it's really. It's almost Linda like they're running a political science experiment about the margin of a marginal dollar of TV advertising like Cook. Cook this up in a lab and so far it's been enough to like give them a pulse of the polling but not much more than that what do you think yeah. It's it's and it's not just a TV ad. It's the marginal impact online at and the marginal impact of a piece of mail. Well I think Amy Klobuchar right when she said you know. The Democratic Party doesn't like billionaires. There's even the billionaires don't like billionaires so I'm really not sure you can buy the primary in the Democratic primary and caucus system that said no no one would sneeze it someone who can spend one hundred million dollars and it's still barely tapped into their resources and that's that's really the question. What I find just like sort of dispassionate descriptive percents fascinating is like I don't know Cornell like if Bloomberg decides to spend literally one billion dollars is at enough to like make you or is it literally you can so you can spend all the money you and it doesn't matter full transparency I've done work for every town I've taken some every tile blueberry but that that said look I don't think you can look Selena knows this. I mean one of the things that we worry about in politics. All the time is how much our candidates going to be out spit and and if our candidate has outspent tremendously at absolutely has an impact on the race and with a guy like Bloomberg look he was supposed to be New York and he had but he has a track record and he has it has deep pockets and he has something to say. I don't think you can. I don't think you can count that out. If he's GonNa spend sixty or seventy million dollars in those super Tuesday states. I think we're read a different point in different time in elections. That's the open question. I honestly don't know the answer I we'll know right. Now he's like Andrew. Yang are essentially tied in national polling. Just to give a perspective of where things aren't just in in in the polling averages I guess the last question for you Celinda is the degree to which Warren who who has just sent out an email saying that her campaign fundraising has slowed a bit. They might Mr targets campaign because they don't have the stable base of Bernie Sanders quite as much. They haven't built that list over as much time because they don't take big dollar donors. They are much more susceptible to momentum even if the momentum is essentially invented thing than other campaigns. That's exactly right. And they don't have a trick really. I mean Andrew Yang actually one of the ways he got into the place that he got into was because I I think personally at the most brilliant online strategy that's why he came out of nowhere and he's known how to balance it was serious things kind of wind cicle almost foolish things things in some ways. Elizabeth Warren is very very serious and I think that it is subject to the ups and downs. I also think she is subject to ups and downs because she has more women donors and more women donors get riskier about their investment and they tend to make smaller contributions so there are a lot of things things going on here that can make her more subject to ups and downs. I will say that she has a definitely she was going up for a while to keep that little has plateaued but I think the downward trajectory has been in a little overstated as well going back to our stability our stability theme Celinda Lake Right Cornell Belcher. Thank you both for being with me tonight. 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