Comedian Guy Branum Wants To Change the Boys Club of Comedy
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As a goddess, and it has been just the perfect bit of counter program into these recent new cycles from hell, this book is everything guy is hilarious whip smart insightful and equipped with this encyclopedic. Knowledge of more books in movies in music than any twelve women or men, but guys also more than author he has a law degree, but he's also hosted a game show. He's worked behind the scenes in Hollywood writing for shows like the Mindy product and Billy on the street, but she also seen him in front of the camera as staff homosexual on Chelsea lately, and even as Natalie Portman sassy, gay friend in the movie, no strings attached. Those are just a few of the ways the guy has made me laugh for years. But he also makes me think. His culture riding in political commentary has been featured in slate, the New York Times and New York magazine and guys changing the boys club of comedy through his writing with every essay as a warning to listeners. There's some language in this chat that you might find offensive, but it is integral to guy talking about his experience. We tape the show in October at the KPCC Crawford family form in Pasadena. I'm excited to share it with you. Now, here's guy brenham. Four. Like, I've listened to so many events that took place here finally know what this temple of public broadcasting really looks like look at it. Look at it. It's amazing. How you feeling feeling good? Yes. Los Angeles is not being hot weather that normally is. So I'm only sweating a normal amount for me, extraordinary amounts. I love it. I love it. I am glad that our our styles of matching tonight. So frantically DM the guy on Twitter this morning. And I was like what are you wearing because the last what are you wearing tonight? If you had just said, what are you wearing would've been a different conversation? Yes. Yes. Oh, what are you wearing tonight, an evolving friendship? Yes. Totally totally. All right. So the book I want to give it it's fear. Do it has called my life is a goddess it is part memoir part. How would you describe it? Like, well, the title calls, a memoirs room, popular culture, and one of the things like during the course of of writing it. I realized that I as a gay man like there weren't narratives or stories about people like me, and I didn't necessarily know how to write stories with me at the center of them when you think about yes, we have gay people in media, but they are by and large side sidekicks. And it can be in too many ways easy for me to think of myself as the sidekick, so I really when I talk about issues from my life. Whether it is, you know being fat or loving trivia. I look at the way that sort of culture influenced how I see that. And how I see myself. Now, there's a reason that the the word goddess is in the title, it's because of a story that you liked from Greek mythology. Tell us a story. Okay. It is a story that I tell my friends with with great regularity. When I was like in third grade, I found this library book like had a retelling of the story of of the birth of Apollo and artists the sun and the moon, and it's basically that their mom had been cursed by Hera because she had messed around with Zeus who was married to harra curse that she could find no safe place on the planet in the see on the land. Nowhere could could she find comfort and she was like hot and sweaty one summer day, and she came like a pond, and she's like, no. Meltdown to get some water and the people there were like, hey, where's your husband? And she liked didn't respond because she didn't have a husband, and they started making fun of her for being on with mother, and then they kicked around in the water and made it muddy so that she couldn't get water. And then she walked away so hot so pissed off like angry at the world for everything. And then she remembered that she was a goddess and she turned around, and she turned all of the people into frogs. And so that's for me what the book is about is like. Remorse all of you. But I mean, these things are of a piece with each other. It is sort of my understanding that in a remembering that you are powerful like in any situation. You do have powers you have abilities. There's stuff that you can do to change the game. And it's not gonna fix it all the time. But also, you're not powerless. What I hear you saying is the hero allies in you. I guess so the heroin lies. Yes. I wanna make you read a little bit of the book in which you are describing the story and how it applies to you and your life. It really was poignant for me, and I liked it. So I'm gonna make you read it I highlighted it. And put a star next to it for you. Thank you. I'm not supposed to be a goddess. I'm very fat. I'm bold. Have a fag voice. My family is poor. My parents were uneducated I dressed like a wet three-year-old as all if you can see now, I am not supposed to like myself. I'm certainly not supposed to think that I should matter the world. There's been a lot of time telling me that in the past thirty or so years, I often listened because we all listen the world is mostly full of fine fax good lessons. But some of those facts and lessons were Bill to keep you down. And I got kept down for decades. Then I remembered that I was a goddess I'm always feel like it. But I have powers. I'm an amazing dancer. I'm quite ridiculously smart. I'm strong. I'm funny babies like me, I have very strong research skills. I make passing lane. Good Punjabi okra. I have a law degree. I sparkle on panel shows as you guys can see here. I'm very good at listening when I try it's not amazing. It's not lightning bolts or control of the sea. I can't turn myself into a swan and have my way with whatever man. I like, but it's enough for me. So fun. Fact, I did a lot of the reading of your book on the train going from downtown to Culver city in. I looked transportation in Los Angeles for tation unthinkable. I do it. But I digress. I'm saying on the train I'm reading the book, and I get to this part. And I'm on the train just like guys in the people next looking over. And I was it was great. It was great. Play in the book. You talk a lot about the place. You are from Yuba city outside of Yuba city say it is in. No, wait. What you think it's supposed to be? Yeah. When people think of California, they think of southern California, they think of like surf and bottle blondes and movie stars in that kind of thing. I'm no from there. I'm from northern California. When you think of northern California, you think of lesbian sous chefs and vineyards, and that's not where I'm from either. Like every like everyone here is Californian. So you've all driven up the five. So you've all seen sort of like the dry sad middle of California and pass through that part on the five where literally smells like manure. Yeah. I mean, you know, this is the price we pay for our lovely meals. Okay. California. Like, I'm so proud of California and its agriculture production like, but also it's a terrible place to be you know, that he was it's farm town. But not farm that you think even I mean. Yeah, it's not the like fun upscale like charming like vineyard town in Napa where your friend got married like it's just it's the grapes of wrath eighty years later. So award winning. Yeah. Like this. Terrifying thing about my hometown. Is that like literally all of the white people came from Arkansas or Oklahoma in the thirties? So people still have like young people still have accents one of my younger cousins. Like he was using the word record and yonder in California because he spent too much time with my grandma from Arkansas, it's horrible. I say I say those words your from Texas. It's allow I know we're supposed to talk like newscasters here. You paint these vivid pictures of your parents who the entire book. I was just itching to meet and talk with describe your mom and your dad for us. My mom is an angry older Jewish lady whose family is from Arkansas. So you can imagine the levels of fear and anxiety that go on in that woman like she's always holding her purse as though she may need to flee something. And I got that. But she was also like very intellectually and culturally curious, I think she had like, even though her family were Jews from Arkansas. There was a little bit of a sense of like, hey, we don't need to be as willfully ignorant as the rest of the people around here like pick up a book and she shared stuff with you with me all the time wonderful scene where you talk about how she likes nut. You the graduate? Yeah. She's like walked him with the graduate and was like watch this. You'll learn something. I was like sixteen and she did so much sort of make me somebody who would desperately want to move away from her and break, her heart. And then my dad was like the. My dad was a construction worker who was raised southern Baptist and sort of didn't question the world of like patriarchal rural conservative life, and he didn't understand they and like as time has gone on a better understood you don't necessarily want to be the guy on the construction site. Husan knows a lot about the Oscars. You know, like that's not really something you can brag about to the other cement, Masons. There's that. There's that. But you have this wonderful part of the book where you talk about how with your father. And with that dynamic. You felt like you knew that this man could love you. And almost hate you at the same time. Yeah. I think anyone we have very strong relationships with we have complex relationships with. And it's a little hard for me. I lost my dad like two years ago. And you know, before I started writing the book, and so it was this question of how do I address my dad? In a book that he would have been angry at me for writing. Like, my dad would have been very angry at me for trying to talk about my life in a way that was honest for for me. And so the dedication of the book is to my father, Larry Michael Brennan who would have hated this book. I love that. I got to write this book, but it feels a little bit unfair that my dad wasn't around to be pissed off at me about like not talk to me for year. This should have ruined thanksgiving al-ass. Yeah. Come to my house. Time for a quick break. We'll be right back with comedian and writer guy brenham. You're listening to it's been a minute live at the Crawford family form KPCC in Pasadena. We'll be right back. This message comes from NPR sponsor, Google home hub, you know, when you're cooking dinner, but you're interrupted by the doorbell ringing. That's why there's Google home. 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But neither do I how did you not make sense? Oh, I need it. Oh, I need it. I was Qripoli enormous and a feminine and in this little farm town where I was like constantly. I did not care about anything. That was in the world around me. I didn't want to know how an automobile works. I did not want to understand. How about you called an automobile? No one in Yuba city would call it in Ottoman. Also, it wasn't an automobile. It was a Ford f one fifth. My dad was constantly trying to teach me to fix like I didn't care about dove hunting. I was just desperately trying to figure out like, you know, who Queen Anne was and what her deal was. So. Like people didn't know what to do with me. And I didn't know what to do with myself other than just read, and you read a lot which book, do you still love the most? Did you still think about the most reading as as a kid thousand MRs Bazeley Frank wiler? Absolutely. I've never heard of that. Oh, okay. I'll let myself out. All right. Most of your most of your young adult adventures people are going out. They are going to face a bear or be in the wilderness from the mixed up. Thousands of space Lee Frank Waller is about a sophisticated young lady named Claudia Kincaid from like jersey or Connecticut, and she's mad at her parents for not respecting her enough. So she gets her younger brother to run away with her to the Metropolitan Museum of art, and they live in the metropolitan isolated and they collect coins from the fountain live off of -solutely solve in art mystery. I read that book. Yeah. So of course, it's amazing. I'm really proud of your opinion on it. Like reading that book. I really was just like oh my God. I wanna be that girl. Like, I I want to be sophisticated like her I want to know how New York works. It doesn't work. When did you feel like you were able to start being that girl? Oh, it is a journey that I'm still processing to this day. I it took me a long time. Like, I didn't come out of the closet until I was in law school like I was at Berkeley for four long years at Berkeley at Berkeley. San Francisco is right across the bay. Also, Berkeley, Berkeley San Francisco, and I still was not comfortable with myself. And then I went to law school in Minnesota. Because where do you want to be gay San Francisco, Minneapolis? Actually, Minneapolis is real fun. So that's like me a long time. I think starting stand up was like a really big moment of being able to say like, my perspective matters. Like, I was so busy being quiet. So that I wouldn't like anger old men from Arkansas when I was little the minute. I sort of got out into the world. I just started talking and never shut up. Yeah. But I also feel like being able to like treasure the places and the things that made you while still not being defined by them or constrained by them is like attention that. We're all figuring out. Are you you yourself yet? Probably not you're probably doing like four things that your mom demands of you. I have so many toiletries, and my home that my mom just gives me she is constantly giving me deodorant that she bought on sale that I don't need, and it is in my home. And I have no space for it. That's me not being that girl. I love in the book the way, you talk about being fat while you talk about being gay because it is not just as simple pet surface kind of body, positively everything is great, everyone is great. You talk about feeling conflicted about your identities at points. And I want to go through two parts of the book. And what you do that. When you talk about what it means to sound gay. You've said that you hate your voice in the voice of other game. But you also said in the book we all have to sound fag. So that we can find each other I found youthful. Yeah. And I liked it you express feelings of identity not being afraid to have more than one opinion on it behaving is though the constructions that the world presented to us for most of our lives. Aren't there is just anti intellectual? We can't behave. We were all alive in one thousand nine hundred five or not all of us. Some of us. Let's say we were all alive in two. Thousand five it was the world was still pretty homophobic. Then like half of this country is still thought gay marriage shouldn't exist in thought gay people were probably gross. And you internalize a lot of that. And I know that when I was young I had so much fear around people who were presenting gayness, which is really weird because I was presenting gayness even before I was gay. But I also think that you know, it is beautiful that because we do like have the option of visually passing as as not gay. You know, the ways that we can be audibly gay are like beautiful choices to do something dangerous. So that we can find each other and create culture and hopefully like quality sex. Well, and it's like the voice it is. It is it is portrayed in the culture is a sign of weakness. But actually, it's the fine act of bravery, right? There's also just this way that like straight through. To talk. And like I feel like why did they talk like that? Right. Exactly. But it's also like anytime you say about any group, you're not a member of would move to. There's a reason you just haven't learned about it. Like, you just haven't thought about it. You haven't figured it out. You haven't like giving people the benefit of just imagining what their lives might be like, what is the feedback to your voice from people that see you on TV in here. You in podcast. Did you hear from people about your voice? Well, I mean, the thing is is like I am old. And I've been on TV for a while. So it has changed during that time like when I was first on TV on a regular basis on Chelsea lately. I would always get like two responses in comments, and they were they shouldn't have a gay guy like that on he acts you he sounds to gay not okay, guys. We're like that. Why do they have to get how the gay like that? And then it would be. He's too fat gay guys aren't fat like that. Why do you have the gay guy who's fat? And that is sort of changed as time has gone on. And we have more representation of where people in media, and there is less of a sort of like hunger and need to see someone like yourself, and you're able to see somebody who's queer and isn't exactly like you. But still enjoy them and feel a little represented in a way. Yeah. You know? Speaking about being fat and talking about that in the book. I'm so glad that you did more than just the thing that everyone is supposed to say, which is love your body. Whatever your body is. I get that. But I, but you you gave me more in this discussion in the book, and you talk to really thoughtfully about how even when fat people are on screen. It is a representation in service of skinny people said, quote, our narratives about conquering fatness aren't about saving fat people. It's about letting thin people feel like they're already saved members of the chosen people. Yeah. I just I think that we have a great deal we moralize weights, we moralize weight. So that we have to know that if a person is fat that they are doing something wrong. And they can we can watch them be noble on the biggest loser. Or this is us and be doing everything they can to unfed themselves. But if they are still fat, we know that they haven't done that enough. And you guys who aren't that get to feel like there is something that's kind of good about you. You are doing something a little bit noble by managing to be less fat than. Yeah. Yeah. And that ain't fair. I mean is life fair. I also just think that it was important for me to be able to lake articulate that because the world had sort of like. Sent me. A lot of messages about myself worth in behavior around my fatness. And I like it was important for me to be able to say like, hey, I don't have to let that into like I can push that out of my brain a little bit. I can understand that at the end of the day. There are things in my life that are more important than me being less fat. I don't know what the right best answers for anyone else's bodies are. And I don't know what the right best answer is for my body are. But also, this is the size that I've been my entire life and imagining that there's some magical future where that is not true. And that I should be delaying aspects of my life until that comes true is ridiculous. Thank you for your claps. But I don't think. Oh beyond TV now all have sex. Now. I'll do the things that I want to do now. And if somebody else's bothered by the appearance of me, okay, don't watch or have sex with me. There are other people who will. Mic drop have a great night. Guys. We did it. I saw you on the internet when you wrote this really thoughtful essay about the world of comedy in light of Louis, C K and his dumpster fire trash nece, and you talked about how the culture of comedy sets up people like Louis C K to do Louis C K stuff, and you talked Pacific about this idea of the table in the comedy club. I want you to set that up. Tell us what the table is. And I wanna unpacked essay with you. So at every at every comedy club there there is a table where like. The ranking dude comics sit around, and you know, shoot the crap after the show they stand in the back during the show famously in the opening credits of Lewis show. On FX. He would walk past the comics table at the comedy store. And when we represent that we always represent a bunch of dudes when we straight dudes like when we have our biggest and greatest comics sit around and talk about what comedy should be. It is always straight dudes. And the fact that this power structure like doesn't have space for women or gay men means that the path up is not built for us as well that it is a system that is built so guys who look like them can become future. Them's and I'm tired of that. And it was I realize how much I had spent my comedy career trying to prove to those dudes that I was good enough and funny enough to be taken seriously. And if all of us are constantly trying to do that it's not going to change anything in eighty five percent of comics are still going to be straightened. It's yeah. And you said soberly, and I had never thought about it. This way, you said that sexual harassment is one of the tools that these men these straight comics us to remind other comics that your status that their status is provisional. Right. It is it is a signal harassment is a signal of the hierarchy like the thing is I am not a person who should be publicly expressing a lot of opinions about the way sexual harassment effects women. I am not a woman. But I think as goddess. Which is different. But as we have been so bracingly reminded recently like sexual harassment sexual assault. Sexual violence is being used all the time to fill women with fear and marginalization and just sort of realizing in the wake of all of these things that had been rumors about Louis C K being substantiated by the New York Times that I was part of a business that was doing this to women who were working really hard and trying really hard to be the best comics that they could it made me mad at myself like it made me so angry that comedy a thing that I love was so sustainably telling women that they didn't matter, and it was also a reminder that like these tools and similar tools are used to remind people like me that we don't matter can anyone here. Name like a very famous game. Stand up comedian. That didn't happen accidentally bike, it isn't just happenstance. It's not gay guys. Didn't want to do that you go to Rupo's drag race you go to, you know, like funny novelists funny writers. They're gay dudes all over the place. Stand up has made itself a place where people like me aren't welcome. And a couple of options in that situation. God knows wouldn't I be more noble if I just tried really hard and worked very hard and got half as far. But instead, I wine loudly and write things on the internet's love it. Love it. It's time for a break. Thank you guy random. We'll be right back with my guests today. Comedian and writer guy, Brandon. You're listening to it's been a minute live at the Crawford family forum here at KPCC in Pasadena. We'll be right back. The following message comes from our sponsor capital. One. 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I wrote for awkward on MTV. I wrote for another period on comedy central. I wrote for a video game show called x play where I had to pretend to know things about video games on sports. Like, so many other jobs that you were a new because you're on TV shows. Chelsea you were to go 'cause they'll go recurring on the show partners on CBS. But the show was cancelled before I got to be on. I played Natalie Portman sassy, gay friend. In no strings attached resident gay on Chelsea lately. I root for Chelsea lately. I wrote for totally bias W Kamau bell. And I appeared on it. And like the thing about L outcasts. Keep going have a podcast it's called pop rocket. And you should listen to it. Oh, yeah. I mean, the thing is is that like you have to have a lot of hustles to make it through this town. But it has couldn't do it. It's fun. You like it. I mean, it's annoying and I'm very bad at maintaining a schedule. So I fail at it on a regular basis as the people who listen to pop rocket can attest. Sometimes I'm just not there. But like there is something nice about getting to do a variety of things as a non traditionally looking gay, man. Like a lot of the industry has been like you're behind the scenes, you just write things and having a variety of jobs means I get to do variety of things like as soon as I get annoyed with having to be in makeup. I'm then, you know at a writer's room at the minute. I'm tired of just being in a writer's room. I'm at the Crawford. Family forum talking. I love it. I love it. We're going to go to a, but I I want to bring this back into the book for a little bit. Okay. I am going to make you read a bit more about your description of the popular culture of my best friends wedding. And how it speaks to from my best friends wedding lap for it. That's what you should clap too. I wish I had had you watching this movie with me when I was a kid watching it with my mother because I would have grown up to be such a more self aware in better gay had seen the film with it. You saw it. But I didn't see it that way. When I thought the first time the first time, I thought I was just like I like this movie spent the following twenty years trying to understand better why like stop move, and you laid out so beautifully. I don't wanna give you you to give us implant set up for those who haven't watched it. They're dead to me. But tell us who the characters are. And who whatever it's character is my best friend's wedding is about a woman named Jules. Who is played by. Julia Roberts who is agreed with this dude who is either Dermott Maroney, but Don MC Dermott. No one knows. If they turn twenty eight unmarried, they're going to get married, and he calls her and she thinks that he's going to be bringing that up. And even though she doesn't really like this guy. She likes it. He likes her. And he announces that he is getting married to this woman named Kimmy who is played by Cameron Diaz, and he wants her to come be his his best, man. And she realizes like oh. Damn I'm in love with this guy. I want him to love me. And now I am losing him. So she goes and tries to break up the wedding. It is an anti rom com. And she has a sassy gay friend played by Rupert ever at who's there to be her beard almost. Yeah. He shows up to be her beard, but he like so magically dances around on the plot. Sort of like reminding all of the straight people that they are ridiculous. And there are other ways of life. And I think it is a profoundly queer story in the thing. What you straight people don't think about is. No, one told us what our lives should look like, you know, when we were young. We were constantly being told like, you shouldn't exist, and maybe you should go to jail. So like just being able to be passed. That is pretty nice for me. But still no one ever said, oh, you're gay first date. What is that? Look like, oh, do you get married, and we're having to figure that stuff out which is fun. But also there is a lack of these structures, and my best friend's wedding doesn't necessarily show us a path, but it craps on your path which import. When did you questions now, and we're gonna take a few raise your hand, Mike holder. Hello, thank you was a lot leader of you guy. Fix much. Thank you, very sweets. My name is Chris Smith who are some of your favorite homosexual male comedians. You think we should know about? Oh, that's a great question. James jomie in Joel Kim booster Solomon. Giorgio is May's great. Yeah. Both Solomon Joel and Julio Torres all have comedy central half hours. It just came out that you can watch online. Tim Dillon has a net. Flicks fifteen minutes, I think I think Matteo lane has a net. Flicks fifteen minutes, there are really good people out there who are doing amazing stuff and people are starting to notice now. But you know, to some extent the industry isn't wasn't ready for that. Like a lot more quality was being made than people like these people weren't getting managers or agents awhile ago because nobody knew what you do with a gay guy standup. Things are better now. Everything's fixed. You guys. Did it nail that? Yup. Also me should buy my album football available wherever comedy albums, both right? Amazon. We can another question coming up. Hi, my name is Shannon quarter and this has been so delightful. Thank you so much. I agree. Also about burning down the table, the sys-, wait straight man sable at the comedy club. But how do we do that? Like do. We start our own table until they're like, oh, that's where the cool kids are. I mean, that's really a lot of what's happening. You know, when I go to New York where I want to perform are the rooms in Brooklyn where there is queer interesting comedy going on here in Los Angeles. So much of the really good comedy. That's happening. Our backyard shows in like glass, L Parker Hancock park like people are creating their own structures. And institutions, and I think like more power to the people of color and women queer people who are fighting their way up through the clubs. But I think half of that is just not behaving those guys as those guys are the end, all and be all. End all and be all of success that they are the end all and be all of dignity and respect like be doing this. So that your female peers respect you as much as you're doing it for the dude peers, you know. Yeah. More questions. Hi, leanne. So I work with high schoolers, and I read your book really the first week of high school, and it gave me a lot of insight into what was happening internally for a lot of the students that I work with who are LG BT. And it was it. It gave me a deep empathy that really changed my perspective on how to work with these students. So if I were to go to them, and sort of offer them a version of my best friends wedding today for those fifteen year olds and sixteen-year-olds. What would you suggest that? I offer. Oh, that's a great question. I think two things that spring to mind are the movie Alex love on its on Netflix right now. And it is like an honest like queer, silly teen comedy that's super funny. But also a lot more honest than something like love Simon. And then there was a British show. It was called beautiful people. I mean, it's about to like fourteen year old Gabe noise, just trying to figure out life in the nineties in Britain. And there are musical numbers and signed me, look, they do Tracy omens other single. Are we familiar with Tracy almonds pop career because you know, about you don't know about love, but the song sunglasses? It's pretty great. Yeah. I mean, there there is there is so much more culture that you're sort of acknowledges that we have clear teenagers. And I think the hard part is just feeling as though the things that are going on inside of you aren't things that can be expressed and aren't things that are reflected in pop culture at all at the end of the day, though. There are only going to watch weepy things about women. So I mean all About Eve at the end of the day. I mean, all gay culture really can be boiled down to like all About Eve, the color, purple and then sex. The holy trinity. It really is. Many many thanks to my guest this evening comedian and writer guy random I had so much fun. Thank you guys. Thank you for having me. Thanks to all of you. 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