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We are now in its we are now in a constitutional crisis. It's a huge statement coming from the man who has the power to launch peach mint proceedings against President Trump chairman Nadler saying there is a crisis because Torney general bars ignoring a subpoena, refusing to hand over the phone Mullah report and all of its underlying evidence. We cannot have a government where all the information is in the executive branch where the American people, and the congress are stone world, there can be no higher stakes. Then this attempt to. To arrogate all power to the executive branch away from the from congress and more important away from the American people. Now, there's words coming as his committee voted to hold the attorney general Bill bar, and contempt of congress setting the path to make history is only the second time on record attorney general has been held in contempt. But contempt is a word not an action. And this is clearly a real fight. The President Trump wants to have just listen to the White House spokesperson, Sarah Sanders, respond to chairman landlord tonight. It's truly outrageous and absurd with the chairman is doing and he should be embarrassed that he's behaving this. They like it. They relish this fight. Now, maybe playing right into Trump's hands. Trump today. Choosing to up the ante invoking his first executive privilege to force the issue by blocking the release of the full mullet report and its underlying evidence Trump wants escalate this war, and frankly, Democrats are biting. Every single day. Whether it's obstruction of -struction, obstruction of -struction of having people come to the table with facts of Norring subpoenas in every single day. The president is making a case he's met his becoming self impeachable on terms of some of the things that he was. Self impeachable. But look there's the thing. Even if that's what the president wants Nancy Pelosi is say if he thinks it helps him he didn't count on a key Republican standing up today, the Republican Senate intelligence committee, obviously chaired by Republican bar has just subpoenaed the president's son Donald Trump junior this according to sources who tell us lawmakers want to question Trump junior about a whole lot of issues connected to the Russia investigation. Kaitlan Collins is out front at the White House tonight and Caitlin. Are there? Any response to Nadler's comments when he he has come out. And look he's he knows full. Well, what he's saying when he says these things are not just words, he says, this is a constitutional crisis, the White House Aaron is basically saying the opposite of that the Democrats are forcing the president's hand here, and they're calling them on lawful and reckless in their measures here and saying essentially, Trump had no other option than to do this. Now, as you go to this is the first time, the president has invoked executive privilege and the Justice department is framing this as a protective measure, so then essentially they have more time. To go through documents that they can either deemed privilege or not privilege that some Democrats are saying they're not counting on that. Because they think that the White House is eager to have this fight. And that they're not actually going to hand over any documents. And the end of this now with the president if voting this privilege, it essentially gives the attorney general a shield here that he can say it does go to court, which Aaron of course, as you just laid out. It's looking like it's going to he can say that he'd Nord the subpoena because of what the president wanted him to do by invoking this privilege, but the question that Democrats have and even some skeptics around Washington is whether or not they've waived privilege by releasing having those people sit down with the special counsel, releasing the Muller report already in the version that they did. But the White House is insisting that the president has not done that yet. All right Caitlin. Thank you very much. And I want to go straight now to democratic congressman David cellini who is on the House Judiciary committee. Obviously chaired by Mr. Nadler. Are your committee voted today to hold attorney general Bill bar in contempt? So you. As I said, it's a word not an action. Can you explain why? Or what this accomplishes in practical terms, congressman, well, first of all, it's very important to note that the juice your committee has a responsibility to do oversight that requires us to collect evidence and to hear from witnesses who testify under oath, it simply cannot be the case of the executive branch is going to decide what witnesses will come. What documents will be produced because if we Lau the executive branch should do that it will essentially permit them to extinguish congressional oversight in its entirety. So this is an important principle of our separation of powers of our oversight responsibilities. We've issued a subpoena to the attorney general a lawful subpoena. He's defied that subpoena and the next step. We took today we adjudged him in contempt. We did a contempt report that will go to the floor at will also at the time it goes to the floor. Seek authorization to initiate a legal proceeding for us to enforce the subpoena. So this is a process we have to follow to litigated this and compel Mr. bar comply. And I think. In your early reporting. You're right. The president relishes this fight because the truth is the Democrats ran on the gender for the people of this country to drive down health care costs. Raise family, incomes rebuilding of our country and take on the serious corruption in Washington, the self-dealing and we're delivering on those results. The president has no record to speak of. And so he wants a fight about this. But we have to do both things we need to deliver on the promises we made and at the same time conduct responsible oversights. That's why we had to afford today. Okay. Now, you make your case for why this is oversight. But even Republicans on your committee, including congressman Doug Collins, just there don't believe anything. You just said here's what he said about your vote to hold barn. Contempt. They're willing to paint. The attorney general is is the bad guy in this. They want to paint the attorney general is someone people can't trust. Why? Because they don't want the findings that he had they don't like what came out of the mole report. This is just a show. Yes. Just to show. Doug Collins, couldn't be more wrong. Look, the attorney Joan the United States is the lawyer for the people this country who takes an oath to the constitution. He's not defense counsel to the president. What do we know? So far he first of all does a four page summary that totally mischaracterizes the report in an effort to kind of set the narrative for the president. He then says under oath that he doesn't know what Mr. Mollen thought of the four page report, we subsequently learn Mr Mulder sent him as scathing letter criticising his transition and. At the same time. He never disclosed that in his Senate testimony. So we know that this is a attorney general who's acting to defend the president the president said I want ROY Cohen. I want ROY Cohen. He got one was William bar. So now, what does he do? He refuses to turn over the unredacted mole report and all the supporting materials. So I think there's a lot of reason to question the integrity and the objectivity and impartiality of the attorney general he should be working for the people this country, not the president United States. So do you agree. We're in a constitutional crisis with chairman Adler. I think this is a very very grave moment for our country. This is only the second time in history that the attorney general the United States has been to judicata in contempt of the congress of the United States. This is deadly serious. We have to move forward in a sober and serious way. But look we have got to get access to all of the information to make informed judgments in this case, the president, and his minions cannot stonewall the American people cannot prevent congress from doing its work and finding. The truth. Whatever it is. I understand the points that you're trying to make. But when you say that this is contempt second time in history, all of these things, I guess the question at this point is if it is so dire and you have the power to launch impeachment proceedings, which you do on your committee. What is stopping you? If this is so serious. Well, look, I think there's no question that in president Nixon's impeachment the third article of impeachment was obstruction of congress. So there is no question that at some point if the presence effort to stonewall and prevent us from getting information continues that may form an independent basis for obstruction in and of itself. But we have a responsibility to do first is collect all the evidence. So we can make a fully informed. Judging we got part of the story in the in the model report that was the beginning of our work. We're asking for the balance of the report as well. As all the supporting materials, you know, it's important to remember the Ken Starr investigation when Ken Starr was done without report he delivered it to congress with eighteen boxes of documents and grin. Jerry proceedings. He went to the court to get permission to release the jury before congress even ask for it that kind of model we should be following here. That's right. Bill bar has not done that one crucial part of this. Of course, we'll be to get Bob Muller to testify. A few days ago. Mary Mary Kay, scaling was on the show. She was saying may fifteenth that was a done deal. Now it's unclear if he's even going to testify or not where do things stand. Are we going to hear from Muller or not? Well, I hope we are going to hear from Mr. Muller. The original did the chairman set aside was may fifteenth, but we hope that he will come before the committee. You might remember originally the president said it's up to the attorney general whether Mr. Muller will appear your turn Joan Vincent under oath. He had no objection to Mr. Moore appearing. And then lo and behold, the president decided he doesn't want Mr. Muller appear before the congress. Now, remember if this report really fully exonerated, the president every way wouldn't he be rushing to get Mr. hall in front of the congress and the American people I think that's further evidence that he doesn't want him to test. The American people deserve to hear from his Damola to to have having walked through this report to explain what the American, but what he found the judge made the decisions that we're going to fight hard to get the special counsel before the judiciary committee, congress and Cecil any. Thank you. Thanks for having me. And now John dean Nixon's white. House counsel during Watergate. Okay, john. So chairman Nadler, you're you heard congressman Cecil Leamy. He was actually careful to say dire dire moment, but not quite there. And constitutional crisis chairman Nadler is there he says this is a constitutional crisis. He's very clear it's for defying subpoenas. It's for not allowing oversight. It's for blocking testimony. It's for not providing the underlying information. It's all of those things you though, don't think we're quite there yet. So what gets us to a constitutional crisis? Wrote to me, obviously, different people have had different definitions of those words for me. It's always been when the constitutional process itself. Can't resolve a problem. For example, if the congress refuses to fund the government, you've got a constitutional crisis. If a branch of government refuses to honor say the the court order of one to the legislative or executive branch and they refused to comply. That's a constitutional crisis. What defines is bad? But it's not a crisis until a court says you must do it. And they still defy it. And we're not exactly exactly that's why congressman society described the process, and that's what we are in right now. So I want to play something else for you. That chairman Nadler set tonight John areas. I'm not gonna talk about impeachment. But they may be the short answer is that may not be the best answer in the in this constitutional crisis. Okay. How do we make sense of that? If you're watching this as a person home, you're saying, there's a constitutional crisis. And I I understand you're saying we're not there. But if you're Nadler, you're there, you say, it's a constitutional crisis. If this is a constitutional crisis, and it is caused by President Trump. How can they not move forward with impeachment proceedings? Well, as as have been mentioned several times article three against Nixon was for his failure to comply with any of the requests of congress during the impeachment proceeding. He just flat out stonewall them. And they impeached him based on that it was the weakest of the impeachment articles were held against Nixon. They were only voted on in the committee, never the fool congress. It's it's a tough case. And what they want to do is build up the full case against this man, rather than just go on thin case. All right. Don, Dane, thank you. Important explanations. Their next breaking news, Trump sons of peanut tonight. The Republican chair Senate intelligence committee, Republicans bordering Trump junior to testify. Why Trump now bragging about losing over a billion dollars the same man who said this I have made billions of dollars in business making deals much richer than anybody ever thought. But I have more money than anybody by far. And what's in a name for the new Royal baby. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. 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They want him to testify against sure we've got the Miller report, they think that there's more to talk about sources telling CNN subpoena was issued after weeks of unsuccessful talks with Don, jR, a source close to Don, jR, slamming the subpoena saying quote, Don continues to cooperate by producing documents and is willing to answer written questions, but no lawyer would ever agree to allow their client to participate in. What is an obvious PR stunt from a so-called Republican Senator to cowardly to stand up to his boss. Mark Warner and the rest of the resistant Democrats on the committee. It's a pretty petulant non-legal sounding response. Phil Mattingly is out front, Phil. So let's get to the heart of this. What exactly is it that they want from Don, jR, not he's testified before and we have this giant Muller report? They now think there is more. Do you know what they're interested in hearing? It's important to note, the exact specifics still aren't totally clear, but what we know is that individuals have keyed on Don juniors. Testimony in front of multiple committees on Capitol Hill over the course of the last couple of years. This committee itself has had over the course of that period of time almost two years of investigation what they are likely looking into what we believe they're looking into right now is to specific occurrences related to pass testimony. And that is I the June twenty sixteen meeting and Trump Tower with individuals claiming they had dirt on Hillary Clinton. If you go through the molar report, you see that. While Don, jR, said he had only talked to two individuals about that meeting and advance. The mole report says he had talked to a broader group of individuals about that there is also Trump Tower Moscow. Michael cohen. And testifying in front of the committee that he had briefed on junior in twenty fifteen and two thousand sixteen on several several times about that issue. Don, jR, has testified about that issue in the past. It's safe to say the committee who has called a number of individuals back to testify for a second time is likely looking into those issues and potentially Moore's Weller. All right. So then, you know, we're now hearing this source close to Don, jR, come out with a statement that petulance statement as I referred to it as referring to chairman bore a bird, the Republican chairman of the committee as a so called Republican Senator to cowardly to stand up to Democrats, including his boss. Mark warner. Who is the Republican ranking member so? Let's get to the facts did did bar do this on his own or at the behest of Mark Warner? Or does he have the support of any other Republicans on on the committee tripling a little bit at the idea that Richard Burr who's pretty much well, considered to be a rock rib conservative with plenty of Republican bona fides is being called a so-called Republican, particularly by somebody who's committee is actually looking into look the difference between this committee and every other committee. That's looked into this on Capitol Hill is it has been bipartisan and Republicans throughout the course of the two plus year investigation have been completely unified about what the chairman Richard Burr, and what the vice chairman Mark Warner have decided to do the idea that Richard Burr would do this without the knowledge of other committee members Republicans on the committee rank and file Republicans on that committee is pretty far fetched given the how this investigation is gone throughout the course of the last two years, but it is interesting to note, you're already seeing Republicans not on the committee lash out a little bit rand Paul on Twitter. Republican House minority leader Kevin McCarthy on Twitter as well referencing. Mitch McConnell's case closed speech from yesterday. How this? Plays out over the course of next couple of days is going to be fascinating. But at least on the committee they've been unified throughout air. All right. Thank you very much, Phil. And I want to go now to former FBI special agent Oshawa in Gaba and White House correspondent for American urban radio networks, April Ryan all right ashes, so just on the facts of it, right? As we don't know exactly what they want. But we do know a lot of things are on the table Trump Tower Moscow meeting other things as well, should the president son be worried, he should definitely be worried, Erin. So he's already testified under oath and has certain answers on the record. And so you and those are by the way at odds with much of the evidence that Muller discovered show, for example, with the Trump Tower Moscow deal what Don jR, said about his knowledge and the timing of that deal is inconsistent with what was in fact true at what later Michael Cohen was charged with lying to congress about himself. So he definitely has a problem. He by. The way doesn't have any protection from things like executive privilege. He's not a part of this administration. He can't benefit from those things. So he does have exposure here at a criminal level, potentially. Okay. So I want to talk to you more about that April though in terms of this happening in the significance of it. Don juniors team trying to you know, just a insult the whole the whole committee right by saying so-called, Republican, and you know, doing the the big coward, and whatever they're calling Richard Burr. However, you have Republicans here unsure what to do Rampal tweeting as Bill mentioned, quote, apparently, the Republican chair of the Senate Intel committee didn't get the memo from the majority leader that this case was closed, and they're all referring to is what Mitch McConnell the majority leader said yesterday. That's right. This investigation went on for two years. It's fine. Like over in the special counsel is finding is clear case closed. Not clear with the Senate committee that has spent the most time investigating this April chaired by the respected conservative Republican Richard Burr. How significant is this? It's huge in the words of the president of the United States. Aaron this is significant case is not closed. What we're seeing is the fallout from this Muller report, contradictions what Muller did say, you know, what was left is for there to be investigations by congress and the Senate the house and the Senate if it will and it looks like that's happening. Don, jR, is thumbing his nose doing what his father is doing a doing what the attorney general is doing. But again, just like you said he has no say so in the midst of this yet, no protection, he has no safety net. So he is walking a tight rope in this has has huge repercussions one. It goes against the republic's Republicans are actually going against the Senate majority leader what he said case closed, which is not close and also going gets the president of the United States wishes, and then you have. The presence son his namesake named in going back about possible perjury or what else this has a lot of repercussions tickles. And we'll see what happens down the road. So I know we don't know. But when you think about this, which avenues, do you think this could be mostly about, obviously, there's possible perjury, right? What Donald Trump junior said under oath, which is inconsistent with what's in the Muller report, for example, when he said in to the Senate Judiciary committee. He was asked who he told about the Roscoe tower meeting and the mullahs report says he told a totally a much broader group of people. Right. So there's inconsistencies that could be perjury. There's also is there something new is there something else? They have they have come to inclusion of what about all those more than a dozen cases, which have been referred out from Muller. How big is the risk for Don jR? So the risk as I mentioned before as big as you just said, he it appears from basically his previous testimony. And what is in the Miller report that he may have perjured himself already? I think that there are potential avenues in those twelve farmed out cases or even in the New York attorney general's investigation that they're doing on the Trump organization that he might get caught up in in things involving financial shenanigans of the Trump organization. So I mean, you know, where the intelligence committee is going to go I think is really about the intelligence portion the C I portion the counterintelligence portion of this investigation, which we have not seen and his contacts. And you know, what was going on in Russia and April it also, of course, we're now hearing Don, jR, may consider not showing up which would be pretty incredible ended up itself just to not show up or taking the fifth would which at least give you a reason to do that. Of course when it comes to taking the fifth. We know what his father thinks about people who do that. Let me let him tell us. You see them out takes if if you're interested while you take in the fifth amendment when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment taken the fifth. So they're not prosecuted. I think it's disgraceful. I guess he'd say that doesn't apply this time. It's disgraceful. Yeah. Yeah. It. Yeah. It doesn't apply because his his son. It's not someone in the administration. But the president actually makes my point the point that I want to say is he Donald junior and the rest even Bill bar and even the president. They're not acting like people who are innocent. If there's nothing to hide the American public wants answers and information, why not give it why not give it the president talks about transparency there still such confusion? People are not certain about what is said in this mall report. Because the president says one thing attorney general Barr says another and Muller is saying something else. Donald junior is not acting like an innocent person. Thank you and next Democrats tip toeing tiptoeing tiptoeing closer to impeachment. We're inching towards it. Do you think the president should be impeached for on that road? On the road inching. Should they pull the trigger a Republican who voted to impeach Clinton weighs in next plus Trump now bragging about reportedly losing more than a billion dollars as a businessman to people who know exactly what was going on inside Trump's businesses at that time or front? I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm joke VIN soon. We are the producers behind the H L N television documentary series unmasking killer. Join us as we explore the identification capture and arrest of Joseph James de Angelo, the alleged Golden State killer in a special ten part podcast series unmasking killer, all new episodes premiering Tuesday. February twelve subscribed today at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Tonight inching towards impeachment. That's the word one democrat after another has been using saying the party is getting closer to launching impeachment proceedings against President Trump. Think we're inching closer to it every day that the president has a blanket privilege or just saying that he's going to have struck the congressional investigation. Yeah. For me, we're inching towards it. We have lawful responsibilities constitutional responsibilities to to engage in one of which is possibly impeachment. You think the president should be impeached? We're on that road right now. And we're certainly closer after the Muller report. So we'll they do it. And is that exactly what Trump wants? So I'll front now Ron plane former chief of staff to vice president Biden and former associate counsel to President Clinton and Rick Santorum, former Republican presidential candidate and former Senator from Pennsylvania who did vote to impeach President Clinton. Okay. Thanks to both run inching closer every day was the quote from one we're on the road from another. Okay. This is a whole lot of on the road thinking about it and inching at what point do they say come on pull the trigger? We'll look speaker Pelosi used the phrase today self impeachment to describe the president. And I think that's really the thing that house today voted contents are the committee voted, a contempt citation. I think what they're Democrats are sitting up is this. They're going to do their lawful oversight. If the administration cooperates, great, they'll use that process. But if President Trump makes an overly broad assertion of executive privilege, if he refuses to allow for lawful oversight, then they're going to be in a situation. Where impeachment really is the only option because. Of the choices. The president has made Senator we look that's not. It's obviously not the only option. I mean, Eric Holder withheld information, and they prior administration on a couple of occasions, and they only the they didn't try to impeach President Obama. What they did they went to court and the court found that they had to release the information. That's that's the path forward on on a document requests. It's not impeachment for document request. Well, we'll Senator I it's not just for document cross. Right. It's the Trump administration's across the board assertion that they're not going to comply with any lawful oversight activities. And you know, when when the Obama administration even after over seven thousand pages of documents twelve testimony by colder when they wouldn't turn over the last bit. You you call that irrigates on a path like Richard Nixon that was the comparison you made back in the Obama administration. So I think what we're seeing here is something far bold or far broader than that getting in the way of lawful oversight. It's going to be up to the Trump administration. Are they trying to move the bar like literally they get. This report. It's now almost completely unredacted on the obstruction section, right? And you've got more than five hundred former members of DOJ saying that's enough to impeach. You don't even need all this other stuff. And when you start using all this other stuff does it just sound like you're you just keep wanting to ask for things because you don't want to do it. Now. I don't think so I think look I think of course, they don't want to do it who wants to have it impeachment proceeding. I think the question is is it really the only way for congress to fulfill its constitutional responsibility of oversight of compliance with the law. That's the challenge, and that's the conflict that we're headed towards here. Okay. So Senator back to you. You have a little bit of an inconsistency here to answer for or you can explain why you think that we are wrong in pa- suggesting that it is such nineteen ninety eight you voted to impeach President Bill Clinton. And here's what you said at the time. Removing a president during you know, some of the more prosperous economic times and life is good here in America right now and removing someone who is seen as as at least in part responsible for this obviously is not going to be particularly popular thing. But you know, what we do? Here is going to set a standard for future presidents behavior and and future impeachment standards. And I think as well as conviction standards, and I think that's a very serious burden. Okay. How is that consistent with us saying now that there is no reason I didn't say there was no reason I said back then I can repeat today. I mean, we did so the standard, and we said and the standard was there was a special counsel, the special counsel found that the president had perjured himself something that was not found in the Muller report that he did violate the law series violation of the law, and we determined that we should move forward. But I can tell you. I think you saw it from from my from my remarks that was not an easy thing to do. Because we knew number one we weren't going to be successful. And number two, the president was very popular. So I mean, that's a tough. It's a tough thing. I think Nancy Pelosi has learned from that that maybe even though he may deserve it. And I don't I don't believe our isn't it does in this case. It's not maybe the right thing to Senator. Let me let me just ask you that. Because obviously, then you know, you had this whole investigation. And there was there was nothing impeachable found except for that. He lied about having sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky writes, this is a totally separate thing. Yes. Ally. It was perjury. I'm just making the point in this case, you have more than five hundred former members of the DOJ prosecutors saying that it's clear that the president obstructed Justice and committed multiple felonies right in the heart. The person responsible for that did not find that. And you have five hundred people. Kind of which is a separate issue. But but he did not find he said, I did not you guys destroyed. He did he didn't find. So. But in the reality is those five hundred people how many have dealt with an obstruction case where the president I would suspect not five hundred of them or anything close to that. This is a very unusual case and to to go out, and I think it was highly irregular and not helpful for them to go out, and and make this kind of claim when most of them don't even know what they're talking about. This is a very difficult case Nancy Pelosi is trying to thread the needle. I think what she's trying to do is impeach the president without impeaching him. Basically going through all these investigations causing causing him to to divert all his attention on on this issue and have this impeachment incense be done at the election. In november. Ron will look I agree with Rick. This is a difficult case. But let's talk about the case. I always you said hundreds of prosecutors, including Republicans who served on the Bush administration say. That the mole report points to acts of criminality Muller said pretty clearly I'm leaving this to congress to decide now that's up to congress to decide. I'd also say we all have to remember. There are lots of acts by the Trump administration that may be impeachable that thin Muller scope taking money from foreign governments interfering in regulatory processes. So I think congress has a lot of hard questions to ask ask those questions if the Trump administration won't cooperate. Then we may wind up on the road to impeachment. We're not there yet. But I think you know, we get closer and closer to it every day. Thank you both next. Trump reportedly losing more than a billion dollars in ten years. Did he break the law well to people who worked with Trump at that time Newman credibly, well, I'm going to talk about it? Plus, the top Trump adviser has always wanted to take on a Ron could that put the US now on a path to a real for? The case is we gotta find who wrote this. No, we do that. 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It was sport front. Now. Barbara res- former executive vice president at the Trump organization and author of all alone on the sixty eighth floor. How one woman changed the face of construction and Jack Donald former president and chief operating officer of Trump plaza hotel and casino. Both of you have extensive personal and professional knowledge of the president with all those years working for him during the period, the new tax records covers so Barbara let me start with you. You worked with him in this time, we see a billion dollars in losses. The president says, oh, this is just the way it was done. It was sport. What he? What do you say? Well, you know, it was haunted. First of all, my reaction to that. When I said that starting eighty five it was that was very surprised because eighty five he was just coming off Trump talent that was tremendous money maker fan, and he had the height going that was a big moneymaker. Now, I don't know if the casinos which rainy but other than that. I can't see where it would be losing any money at anything at that point. So Jack what about you you were working for Trump at the time? And obviously, you know, the casino side. What was that time? Like, what did you see when you saw a billion dollars in this report losses? Well, it was shocking air. And and believe me, it was no sport that was going on in the time that I worked for Trump on all of those losses are tied to one thing. And that's the debt that this man took on in many many of his deals. He did bad deals. He did it with the airline as an example. You know that that that crushed him? He also did it at the Taj Mahal he had eight hundred million dollars worth of debt at fourteen percent interest, which literally killed the casinos in Atlantic City. My property we we had one hundred million dollars in free cash flow a year for for out of that business. And because of what he did with the Taj Mahal he devastated the business and it eventually went bankrupt. So it's a series of a lot of bad deals. So do you think that this was just sort of, you know, look, I read every page of the tax code might my lawyers do obviously or or what he crossed the line. Well, it was certainly he would cross the line. Tony Schwartz raise. The question is the worst businessman or the big best cheap and or the worst cheap. And I definitely is. The worst cheat. He's that the worst businessman is not a good businessman. But as Jack says when he started getting mobbed with the with the plaza and the airline, and you know, even the boat, and the Taj Mahal that's one he really started losing money. That's why you know. That's why I said I qualified the beginning eighty five eighty six and then later, so let me ask you, according to the New York Times right year after year, and this time Trump was was a loser. He was losing more money than nearly any other individual tax payer in the United States in two of the years. He was the biggest loser in the United States by by factor of two. Okay. And he despises losers here. He is. This group of major losers. They've been stone cold losers the elite to crush, the loser terrorists, they are nothing, but Doug, and criminals and predators, and that's right losers. We have a bunch of losers. She's got a temperament of a loser. I know a lot of words, but somehow loser is so nice. Good work. Except for when it applies to him, Jack, how how much do you think it hurts him to hear be outed as such a loser? His word. Oh, I think that the article today was probably devastating for him. And I think that the what you alluded to is that it was he was identified as the biggest loser in the United States for most of these years. Nobody lost more money from a tax standpoint. So yes, I think he's he's angry tonight. And I think he's going to deflect as much as he can. So Barbara goes against everything. He said right now this has happened. I mean here he is during the campaign, right? He didn't sell himself as I lost a billion dollars. I'm a loser. He sold himself this way a winner. I have made billions of dollars in business making deals, I'm self funding. My campaign putting up my own money. I have more money than all of them turned out a much richer than anybody ever thought. I have more money than anybody by far. I say not in a braggadocious way, I've made billions and billions of dollars daily with people all over the world. It's an image that he cultivated on the apprentice, it's so court who he is. Here's that. The largest real estate developer in New York owned buildings all over the place model agencies the Miss Universe. Pageant jet line is golf courses casinos and private resorts. Like mar-a-lago? Fall apart. Well, first of all nonsense. He was the biggest of state development. He was not even on the on the radar. I mean, it was just he data couple buildings beside a big development and York does it full pot. I think that he came out big time and said, look, I I use the system. I'm so smart. I gamed the system and his people all going to go to that. They're going to believe that. So you've got the people the rest of us. No, no personally. No his biggest live in the world. And the people that are trying to win over. I'm not going to care. I mean, thank you and next tensions escalating between the United States and Iran, one of Trump's top officials John Bolton is he about to get what he has always wanted. The world gets gets the I look at Archie. Archie prince Achi? Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Tonight dangerous escalation between the United States and Orion and for some in the Trump administration everything they were waiting for. Michelle Kosinski is out front. His policy on Iran. Now seems squarely in the hands of the person who may be the most vocal committed decades long, Iran. Hawks in this administration national security adviser, John Bolton longer, we waited to confront the threat run poses the harder and more intractable. It will become to sob. That's from back in two thousand six embassador to the UN. But it's a stance that has lasted the Ayatollah Khomeini's nine thousand nine hundred seventy nine revolution will not last until its fortieth birthday. You remember John Bolton if anything John Bolton has become more determined that needs to be regime change in Iran regime, change. Receive chain in two thousand fifteen bulletin wrote. A New York Times op Ed called to stop Iran's bomb bomb Iran two years ago. He told the any k a group of and exiles once branded a terrorist organization by the US, and it should be US policy to overthrow Iran's Mola's three months ago. He tweeted this video. So I told her how many I don't think you'll have many more anniversaries to enjoy its rattled other members of the Trump administration at times like when Bolton asked the Pentagon for military options to strike Iran late last year after mortars were fired at two US compounds in Iraq thought to be the work of Iran. Backed groups first reported by the Wall Street Journal and this week it was Bolton not the Pentagon that announce the US's latest military move warning of unrelenting force if Iran attacked the US or allies. Exaggeration, though and cherry picking Intel to suit his views are things Bolton has been accused of multiple times, including his stance on the alleged weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that led to a US invasion. I think the overthrow of Saddam Hussein that military action was a resounding success now causing some worries that the US is latest news could spark still what worries me as you got Bolton's predisposition, and then you've got three or four actions in the last two weeks designed to poke around in the eye. I just I'm uncomfortable about where this is headed. Big questions about where it is headed tonight. Thanks to Michelle Kosinski, and Jeannie is next. The right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with Boll and branch. The upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percents organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. That's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three US presidents have Boll and branch sheets. Try them for thirty nights. And if you don't love them, send them back for a full refund. 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You're not my mommy anymore at me for not painting her nails correctly. And how about these top six name suggestions for the new Royal baby. I do not give a, but you know, gave the baby's name the Royal treatment. Jeez. The ginger-haired comic strip character. Greeted the news with I'm baby someone wondered how can Archie be the prince when John head wears the crown? It's a lot of name for someone seven pounds three ounces Archie Harrison Mountbatten Windsor, mom and dad reportedly just like the name Archie while Harrison comes from son of Harry, they had the baby on your birthday. And there's that kid stole my thunder. Yeah. Really die birthday. You will be the godfather to the child is true. That would be a bad idea. All this Royal baby hoopla Archie probably saying wake me up when it's over say that again, genie CNN, New York. And thank you for. Joining us. Anderson starts now. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow? Download the Marceca podcast. 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