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The Life and Music of Neil Peart


Hey I'm Brian Hiatt Rolling Stone Music now in the studio with Andy Green and Hank Steamer. And we're here to pay tribute to the life and music of Neil peer to the great drummer and lyricist for rush. Who just just died at age? Sixty seven and left fans and his family pretty devastated and the fans are all over the world and the outpouring porn for him I think was maybe more than even he would have expected. I wish he could have seen it. I think it showed that he's a a figure who transcended even just rush fans like he visit a beloved musical icon. I think we saw that for sure. Yeah and I think. Part of the shock were feeling no one even knew that he was sick so to go straight to dead was so jarring and upsetting last week. I mean I'm still in shock. Yeah they kept it very effectively. Kept it as a closely guarded. The secret to protect his family's privacy and so for everyone who wasn't a very close confidant it was basically a total shock So we're going to be talking talking about Neal's life we're gonNA start though by playing some of a conversation I had with him in two thousand fifteen I was looking at the transcript. There's forty forty thousand words of conversation between menial period. It was four rolling stones. I cover story on rush of our very belated. I cover story on Rush Josh. which yet took until two thousand fifteen but at least we got to do it and I was with the band while they rehearsed for what turned out to be their final tour? This envy took place place right after. I actually sat in on the rehearsals for few hours. And I remember I was. I was wearing like in ear monitors auditor's given to me by the ban because otherwise I wouldn't hear gattis vocals because there was no. PA obviously they were just rehearsing with the. But if I took them out I would hear a lot of Neal's drums they live in an amplified directly in. It made a physical impact on me. I still can remember and I remember watching him. Play from extremely close up up and we're talking about it in a tiny concrete room and when he hit a snare drum his chin would vibrate from the energy. Like that's how hard he played. It was a very memorable the experience we talked a little bit the studio then we got in his Aston Martin. The James Bond car and drove to his office nearby and his office doubled as a car garage for all this is like his sick vintage car collection of which the estimate was just part and we sat down and he he poured some whisky. And you can hear some ice cubes clinking and stuff and I started out by asking him about the fact that rush had kind of hedging their bets a little bit. They kind of call it their last tour there were saying its last last major tour. They were holding. They're holding out some hope but I asked him about the fact that they were building it like I said we should call the are forty anniversary. Farewell Farewell Comeback Union tour and. Get it all done at once. But then as time went on in our landscape together with you know this is just forty. Diversity toured word. Besides maybe we want to make another record together. You know maybe WanNa continue this tour. We've loved the process of putting together the settlers for example and a trick. We only learned last two or something. You're slow smoked learn. It's remarkable because in the past if we had too many songs we would either. They're dumb the ones are. We played too long ghetto. We play. It's a show that would include that. Okay we got it dot Gov that no-shows got vulgar longer again particularly for me killings US Stewart Copeland. I haven't agreed on that that tem drumming is the hardest job. Singing is the worst job but drumming is the hardest job so yeah show it would just get longer and longer and and so last year we introduced alz where we had show A and B right and alternated different songs so that we could play more in this tour this tour. We're we're up to like three different Alz of defensively vote in that about that anything. That's why there's this because you miss right play that's right that's right okay And it was the right thing to do ya. Yeah and we never have to face the painful choice for turning right now that it's it's there so that's no I I heard all over. You know they feel like they weigh a hundred times. Yeah Popeye do you lift weights as well. Yeah because I I come in in terrific shape but nothing prepares you for hitting things as hard as you can all day long. It's not the motion. It's the stopping right right. The people in my brother is a professional trainer by profession and he was in yet they they call it sports specific training. Certain things if you're going to be a cyclist rector cycling if you'RE GONNA be a swimmer like that that the only training roaming really is trump. Because it's the impact that kills and again. I got better at it over time in my motion and my bow. I I use the bounce much more than than I did before next pretty good restrained. But still you're hitting things as hard as you can and kicking the Again all day long. So it's it's going to hurt in overtime again. It is an athletic endeavor. So I'm I'm glad I've been able to keep my peak as long as it's I still feel like I'm getting better really thinking about a buddy rich quality was asking. What do you think about being the greatest drummer in the world? And he said you know what I mean. The body was hit. You know to cheap greatness if you work hard at it you achieve a certain amount of goodness and then you just try to preserve that he said. I've never been happy with anything I'd done. But I keep trying you know and I feel the evolution of my playing and I I love to feel it too. In the control of time in technique and in touch and all those little elements of technique that I've worked on overtime to feel them come out and a lot of times the nature of study like saying before we got this place never imagining what a great creative environment would be was just a storage place and when I studied with Peter Erskine Chris can two thousand eight or so I just wanted to work on my swing drumming stuff I was going to do another big buddy rich tribute at the time I thought okay and that was one Charter buddies called love for sale When I produced the ALBUM BACK IN THE NINETY STEVE GATT superb masterpiece job on it and I just love the arrangement and all that and I thought okay? That's my goal. I want to do my my version of for sale so I got Peter's hop on that and again we're we had a bit of time in that so I was able to practice every day with the exercises that he gave me but the great gift And this is something you're saying. He played a little bit in a strange yet. Yeah play so you'll you'll get there's kind of a metronome that's called a quiet count and it gives you two bars. Click and then two bars of signs and you have to come in so everyday my assignment from feeder to set it for one slow tempo. So you get to bars of really super slow temple and in these big to empty bars right and to try to come in on time and I was just playing. Hi How which made easier because even at my house back which is on a lake drunk not be socially acceptable the track this all but with this quiet account every day I picked one slow tempo. Different one every day at one fast tempo played loved all of that and played to keep time but you know for his hi hat spray expressive listener and everyday. I did that in the end of it. I had such a consciousness consciousness of time that I could hear that wasn't and then when I improvised like I was always a compositional drummer through all of our formative years of my absolutely we're always composed and then I would you know rift within the framework but it was all pretty tightly structured to guarantee consistency. Right so I could give good performance every time and then my my first My second room teacher actually Freddie Gruber Ninety said. You're a composer compal compositional position where I can see composing. You compositional trauma to be an improvisational drummer right. I wanted the other thing so I deliberately set up to chase it and it sounds how contradictory right I setup athletically to to become spontaneous. But it's exactly exactly what you have to do. And that learning that confidence with timeless springboard suddenly I could improvise so freely because the pulse was always almost palpable play and it was more like. Oh good I'm going up there. It's like A. It was a revelation a new world and it took years of you've of my own development and then his teaching which wasn't aimed at and same with Freddie wasn't aiming to take me where he took me just want to be played for about live in it and I gave me what he thought I need it. You know and neither of those cases could I imagined credits teaching all these years later. Still Nurtures me and what Peter gave me that that gift of improvisation confidence in Temple and I showed you my little metrodome on that and I use it now and accepted after. Listen give him the guy's account or if the guy that's called a bit slower because those kinds of arguments are pointless in everybody's clock is a little different every day and there are definitely times those that mixing as you get tired. The song seems faster and faster little perception things like that so if I just just have that there too you know if Alex wants to set his echoes top over but the old songs. I don't use it on you because I know I'm going to play these and some of them. I didn't even listen to play it as it was. You know the way I played as a dumb twenty two year old. WanNa play that song the way I would play it now and the other ones that were did want to replicate the performance of like. I never put a crash civil there now. Things like that it and deciding how much to replicate that time and again I can play those times and all that so much more fluidly than it good in those days because because in the late seventies and so when we were doing like I always look at Levy Transito as an example it was subtitled plainly. An exercise itself adults and and all of the teams are drawn from Alex's crazy dreams because every morning you know getting all had this dream last night and this happened we stop by so so it was deliberately tongue-in-cheek the whole thing but it was us learning to play all this intricate stop and more so learn to reach arranging and I junaid journalist in UK the other day and it came to be about all that stuff he's got. We're learning to play instruments learning to write songs. The big band music is all about the arrangement the best of Progressive Rock in the late sixties. And that was you know. That's really the magic and that we spend the most time learning in that I think speaks most of our progress in in Modern Times especially the snails and cockroaches. Iranians are so concise given the fact that we're not limited by a three minute or repeating chorus formula or anything but what we can do with an arrangement and get at the damage in the flow the phrasing vocal phrasing in that we won. That's that's what we have really built over time with musical confidence confidence and spending the time it pre-production spending the time recording in the left you. He Love I've learned a lot of music. That one might not expect you to love given like a cliche idea virtuous drama might love but would you like a lot of music you live a very wide for but it sounds like Jackie would like if Charlie Watts Gig. You'd go crazy right. You would not that I love. That could play reggae. I love to listen to it but I'm I'm committee ideas at. Here's a beautiful attic. Don't cover that. I use ago. I was trapping in West Africa. Trolley run by bicycle so necessarily from village to village and for as far back in the world and in in time as you can go and we would come up on these little performances sometimes ability to put on a performance for us and drum. This one that gave the the drums oppose the snap and he wanted to do something they grab my head and at one point was curves I was supposed to be bing moving and then I started doing stuff with my other hand and no and then I try. Put the stick down. You have one part and it's like these yeah. African music by tradition is a storytelling narrative. Form that has very strict rules and yet again it. And that's that's it's your assigned part as much as was written on a chart but it does not allow for improvisation and simple. Simplicity and reputation are valuable valuable essences in music for sure but they can absolutely be a used can be either a tool or a trip right. Simplicity is not aw softened very beautiful of course and repetition so powerful. It's used as a tool and then of course anybody that finds a way to use is tricks like that right then it becomes commercialized. It's not an. It's not a language of Communication Asian or it's a tool of marketing. Virtuosity and rock is an interesting thing. Because theoretically right. It's not supposed that's rockets supposed to be simplistic mook. It's an interesting thing to be virtuoso within rock. You know at the end. Of course it wasn't always that way away and talking to this drum journalists the other day he was saying that the gap between Jazz and rock has never been lied and at the time of the day sixties. They were right win win. The Vision Orchestra were accepted as a rock band. And there wasn't that divide and it's I have to think cycles cycles cycles will bring it around again you have to hope people still love the instrument and they love to see virtuosity on the instruments. Obviously and it gets poisoned in all styles and also have a theory that like in the fifties Surf Music and guitar. Music came along and then the Phil Spector Wall of sound and production became huge. People couldn't do that. Omen that garages. So it shrunk back to the early sixties guitars and drums. We can do this in the garage. And then by the late sixties it got so technically hard right like I started playing in sixty five when all you had to do was play wipeout as a ring Gobi right and you were a good suddenly. Mitch Mitchell comes along moon to Baker Michael Ause from King Crimson Phil Jensen Okay. That's how good I have to be. Okay that's okay. That's it was like that. But in a very inspiring way to me and then it became into difficult for garage band is so pumped came you know blow all that shit that you know had become pretentious as if you look at the real meaning of UH people pretending they're getting. It'd be cool to play these epic rock things with the keyboards up. It wasn't really any read for us. It was so authentic so we also sincere. You know that we were getting better learning how to play these songs. I grew up as those bands came along. Argue that they for you get the difference for me between you guys and some of what people think of kind of the worst perhaps a progressive rock in the Senate is that you would play the stuff with kind of the fury of pumping. I mean I already is always. Maybe this you can be British writer. He went to a lot of pop music and he was saying one of his. Is that what he has. Young people were just getting into rock Z.. Said whoever you listen to make sure they'd be right and that became the difference so i WanNa take a moment and talk about David seats staying at home as great but eventually you just gotTa get out of the House whether you go out to see your favorite band. I go cheer on your favorite team in person. We gotta go to the House. 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Has it all download the APP and enter Promo Code Rolling Stone for ten percent off your first order vivid seats make a memory that lasts a lifetime time and let vivid seats how we get to your favorite level by having the studio Andy Green and Hank Steamer before we played some audio from my lengthy conversation with neo from back in two thousand fifteen now that was for what turned out to be Russia's final tour there are forty two or it was on some Levels meant to be their last touro they were hesitant to truly say aunt. My memory of reporting at the time is that sort of behind the scenes that was basically being told. This is probably but the band are hesitant to say it in. The band are really sure. But it's probably a this weird sort of back and forth of like is it the last but one of the things. He was saying that in the subsequent documentary it really became clear certain things that were not evident to me at the time in the documentary when they speak to kneel Neil. He says that prior to the tour he was calling a band meeting and he wanted tell them that he didn't want to go on tour but they told him that Alex has arthritis was starting to get bad and his fingers lingers and the window was closing on when Alex did he could play at the peak of his powers. So very reluctantly agreed to a pretty short tour it was like thirty thirty eight dates or something. Yeah Alex Alex laps in the guitar player. And Getty Lee. WHO's of course a singer and basis were much? It's more typical rock and roll creatures in the sense that they love touring especially getty and could just go and go and and new more reluctant. You know so. There was a bit of conflict. They're all that said by the time I got to them. They had been rehearsing. The rehearsals were going really well. They had this brilliant fun idea of a set that goes in reverse chronological order which also turned out to be one of the most satisfying rock-n-roll experiences I've ever had because as it gets down to Assu first of all if you were a fan for a long time he fill your own life Kinda spaying backwards as it went back in reverse order but then also there's that anticipation of knowing you're going to get to the seventies Bundy's and seventies rush was as we all know was a wild creature of and they changed the staging so as they went back in time this songs at the backdrops drops change to those tours and by the end when they're playing lakeside park and those really early songs is a high school gym setting out the plane and really cool. Yeah it was it was really cool and I think the other bands could do something along those lines but I think basically they were really energized by and I think neil was I think I genuinely caught him in a moment on a real optimism. I think he could imagine at that moment. More tours more albums you know. He mentioned that they had talked about doing another covers album that and come to anything so there was hope and the other thing is he just hurt. He was talking about all the steps. He has taken to avoid the injury while playing the drums in a fortunately he did Kinda get hurt on that tour and yeah. I've got the details but his foot was like really in agony through much of the tour where I think it was driving his motorcycle through the rain water and his boots and the skin was like peeling off. You see and in the documentary so every beat of those drum pedals adults with his feet. He was in pain through. The whole tour was like agony for him. The thing is he was absolutely devoted to perfection and excellence wants. He told a story about his dad. His Dad had at a business when he was helping them out in cleaning a car doing whatever he would say. Dad Can you check I finished. Is this good enough and what his dad would say. His Dad wouldn't even look at what he's done his dad would say if it's perfect. It's good enough and this is something that Neil took to heart and so it must have been kind of painful for him to see for anything to start to interfere with is playing and he couldn't in case the idea of playing it anything other than his peak as he suggested in the order. You just heard he wanted to go out on top and I think anyone who saw that tour were could agree that he was playing very well. Would that be your estimation. Yea absolutely I mean I think I think it's a really rare case like whether it was intended to be the last tour not out of like a band you know and I think I've heard say this. Where like you know? Really you know ending with dignity in so many ways like you know it was. It was a fantastic performance and also you know their last album is it was a really like meaty piece of work. It was like they go back to the sort of concept album format and any other really like digging into that whole thing and the songs really hold up. There's just nothing the thing about the end of rush that has any kind of fade about it. It was just so strong right to the end and the final encore are the last concert at the forum. They played working man which was the first for single which even predates him and he walked up to the front of the stage for about with an which he never done and his whole career. He says that's not my territory but that show. Oh he walked up. They took a big group. ow and getty was shocked by the moment because it was a violation of his rules and it was a sort of a perfect I ending which even though they wanted to keep going and it was very satisfying. I was strongly encouraged to flat by the band. Camp to fly tally to see that last show. Oh because I've been with him on a tour and I just couldn't I couldn't justify flying. I tell us for a concert but I should've realized by the emphasis they put on it. That the ban really. We had decided that that was it by that point which I did kind of realize to be honest but I wish had seen it with Neil decided. I spoken to getting Alex afterwards and they wanted to look at a Europe and do more very frustrating that it was it was the shortest tour probably. Yeah and they and they kept that possibility there for a while like a lot of the interviews that you know Andy that you did did with them and like it was always kind of this question and people were talking about you know are are the two of them GonNa do some with someone else or like the there was really not finally put on it until now in a way yeah part of the tragedy of course of all. This is that Neil had just want to as you heard him say he just really enjoyed this quiet life of of a life. That was like many of our lives where you know just waking up in the morning and going to an office for the day and then coming home to his family really genuinely wanted to do that and he got off the road and you know really only had probably about eight to twelve months before he got his diagnosis brain cancer. which is really rough to face? Yeah it because they haven't said much about his illness period but they did say that they said three and a half years so that's brutal to think about and that means that that it was less than a year from the tour ended until he got sick to take a step back. I mean some new pair grew up in a suburb of Canada. He was a rebellious kid. A restless kid in no the mass production zone as he would call it but became obsessed with drums. And despite being mostly self taught. You know is is pretty much universally recognized as one under grace rock drummers ever hank steamer. Who's with us today? wrote a great piece from a Drummer's perspective about just what Made Neil great and you've got really specific acidic but just maybe on the broadest level. He obviously his technical achievements. Were a massive. But what made him so admired as a drummer. Hank will I think what made him specialists. And this is something I wrote about a little bit. Like around nineteen seventy five. which is you know? I believe when when fly-by-night came out the first time people really sort of hearing with this guy can and do like rock drumming was very well established. You knew you had kind of like these great backbeat drummers like Ringo or charlie watts or some of the more like jazz influenced early hard rock stuff stuff like Ginger Baker or even getting into John Bonham and like a lot of that drumming. There was kind of like a looseness to it especially with Ginger and people like Bill Ward and Sabbath. But there was kind of like this. You know kind of jazz thing happening and it was kind of the idea of these bands jamming or they're being kind of like a looseness to the plane was really important to that whole tradition and then like neil comes along and it's just it's just a totally different approach. There's sort of like nothing left to chance in his playing. And it's basically like approaching the drums in the drum parts as really like compositional the thing about rush trump parts that sets them apart from say like a great bottom beat or or a great ringo. beat or some people you know you could listen to twenty bootlegs of Zeppelin playing black dog or something like that. And you're going to hear like fills will be different or so you've got a basic drum part but it's like the details are going to shift around according to sort of like the moment rush on the other hand you know and this is sort of obviously comes into its own. Moore's Neil joints ban but like there's really nothing left to chance in that music and especially in the drum parts they're written essentially they compositions he as far as he did not write them down on paper but Tom. Sawyer is a fixed piece of music. The drum part to Tom Sawyer is not you know it's not like Oh let's just jam you know a lot of drumming sometimes did the basic beat is there. But you'll you'll fill in little details kind of as you feel in the moment. That was not the Neal Peer Way Twenty Year. He talked about his sort of lack of ability as an improviser which is something he was trying trying to rectify in all those jazz later on I would argue and I think you can argue in your piece that may have actually been in an advantage in the end because it it caused and to compose these remarkable parts. Yeah in the absence of of those abilities like you're saying and you know like you said he did make sort of moves into you. Know kind of dip his toe into into jazz and a few different ways but like ultimately he had to embrace his strength which was dislike hyper control and I think people often talk about the you know. I think there's a lot of fixation on Taylor the Drum Solos and Kinda virtuosity that to me as a drummer. The Solos are great. I appreciate what's really fascinating is the parts he wrote in the songs you know the the way that he was able and he talked about this to how the fact that he wrote the lyrics made him like you know intimately concerned with the theme of the song the flow of the song on. You know he wasn't just like sort of back there like you know worried about his own part and nothing else in the song song like subdivisions. Obviously this extremely emotionally resonant resonate song about kind of the difficulty of growing up and and you know fitting in and all that stuff and then the drum part in that song basically every single verse has a different drum part. And it's it's it's these tiny. You could hear that song on the radio like fifty times or something like that but then when you really sort of get under the hood and like look at it. It's like this sort of the compositional depth of these drum parts this is basically unprecedented in rock music. And it's almost like a classical approach because it's literally like writing you know. The the drum part is a composition unto itself which is uh-huh very unusual in rock. You pointed out on subdivision the way that the parties taint verse by verse is fascinating. It's just like you just you just don't you know on and again you know you you you might hear like you know Zeppelin trump part were little. Flourishes are changing some but it's not like this scientific thing where it's like all right verse one verse to verse three verse four everyone one. I'm literally like almost like I'm writing a new part for each one. In every time I perform that song. For thirty plus years I'm playing identically. Compared the two almost is a cinematic thing where it's like you realize that you know the first part of the movie. We're using color Palette that Tom Blues. But you know as it gets darker we turn to read. It's exactly that kind of thing. And it shows an intelligence and creativity at work that it's just on a different kind of level for him and the other thing I was thinking about I think partially spurred by your piece and just thinking about is it first of all. It's so funny that clockwork angels as the final album. He sort of was a clockwork angel. Because there really really. Is this sense of rush songs. And not just him the whole bend. There was this clockwork perfection. To what they did it was it was also precise and end classically designed. I really think of like doctor. Manhattan and watchmen as sort of metaphor here. When he's remembering you know the little pieces of the clocks that his watches that his dad would put together? It's a way of forcing order on the universe not to be overly profound here but I mean if what music is right is is is imposing harmony on a disordered universe. That's why we like music because the world is disordered but music pushes. Its pieces into into an order this pleasing for us and rush took took to a level of near insanity moments that I think we love the most is when they when they got craziest and and the way that Neil would break down things into thirty second notes inflections of thirty second notes in hyper syncopation parts. That are already syncopated. There's something just very profound and pleasing but then I can't help but see it in contrast to his views about the universe which he thought quite vocally had no order meaning. He thought the universe verse was a Godless Cosmos where everything was left to chance and it's so fascinating that he would then turn around and create an artistic universe in which nothing nothing left to chance in. What might be the most pretentious sung in trouble all time with your little sub deficient? I have to go and list song to get the full effect that the hang was talking about Lyrically as we both written about. It's that song is a major transition for Russia. Part part of a major transition. I get a huge kick personally. Would imagine both you guys do as well out of the early lyrics at the of the imagination in the Scifi stuff of it a the great thing about rush is that so many of the prog bands of late seventies. They were doing songs complicated. And based off of stuff that was like that it was on on-ramp all the stuff and everything but rush transitioned after punk and started it and they were new songs and they were able to totally adjust us to a new time period. where general tall and those kind of bands? They wish they were not had made new wave albums that would have been amazing. Palmer homer something. Yeah but and and the cool thing is like it happens in stages like you know like permanent waves or moving pictures. You know. Maybe we're going from like you know hemispheres or something. We're like twenty minutes. You're going on a down to maybe like a six minute song and it's and then you know as as a progress further pressure hold your fires and then it gets down to. Maybe they could actually do the kind of form minute thing. They really like. Move move through it methodically and took every stage of seriously. And what's key about this is they. Were not writing pop radio friendly songs. They didn't write he the moment or something in Asia did these are songs that were popular and were played on the radio. By the wasn't the goal they were definitely not sellouts. Ever Yeah Tax them which details the two. I mean like Tom Sawyer you sort of normalized it but like you know we were playing it for some people know office. who weren't so familiar with just how strange it is and just how much detail is packed hacked into it? You know and it's like you know it's compact it's catchy but it's like incredibly elaborate and with key about that is the fans didn't feel betrayed whereas the fans genesis were livid at like invisible touch in these type of songs like these ballots that were put out by them in the eighties with rush. Denver did that. That's a really good point so you will hear some discontent about some of the Cynthia stuff in in the eighties people different that for the most part it's exactly truly people followed them through and nothing seemed like they were turning their back on whatever. Whatever was the core of what they did and I think it's because of a few things that I don't know I don't know fully what led fans to follow them through almost all of the journey I think some of it was just as they would put it? It's really just a question of your honesty and I think people didn't never came to doubt the sincerity of what they're doing. Even as since came in and I think even some of the the sort of I think what would getty called the circus act aspects of like the fact that they never expanded ended beyond the trio even though they're sounded essentially making the sounds of five or six piece band but refused militantly to ever. Just do the easiest thing which is just get the guy in the corner playing the keyboard you know this is separate from neo of course but I mean the fact. Is You know when the center is being accomplished by having your Bass player play Bass with his feet. You tend to respect the grind. You know I think that's part of the thing right and for most prog bands baseball teams where it would change constantly. There's so many it's interesting. Point wherein or in King Crimson is crazy or six thousand people but with Russia is the same three guys and the purity of that the fans was essential essential. I think what's weird rush managed to evolve like almost as much as yes but without completely changing their lineup. And that's it's also and this is a somewhat familiar point but as much as they somewhat struggled with the music business in the seventies they still were lucky enough to be part of a business. That would still still give you. You know seven years or so from your first album to the first time you were starting to become make somewhat compacts more radio radio friendly songs it was. There was an ability to evolve. You mentioned an artist out now and getting seven years I I. It's just not the way the business Yeah they had all these chances to of you know th they were given the the room to evolve like three or four times you know. It's like a real satisfying career arc and yet. It is really hard to imagine happening today. And what they're able to do was put everything they learned and squeeze it down and we're also as Neil ponant. They were young enough when the police and stuff came out that that they couldn't even he even said the word punk when the when the police punk new wave came out they were young enough not to dislike rejected objected but to embrace of it in into reinvent themselves an input all that Reagan into the rhythmic thrust without thankfully getty ever trying to sing in anything but that did cause some friction. There are moments in with in which Alex thought. Since we're getting that was yes it for sure. Alex Talk to me a lot and has talked about this that especially around the time of the album presto when he's playing a ton of acoustic guitar stuff it got frustrating. And then what's cool is they then got to make another turn in the nineties. We're talking the break. About how Russia obviously they made a first album without neal had a couple good songs on it but their identity. The rush of rush really came in with Neil yet. That if you play the first album boom it's like a Canadian. Bad led Zeppelin of sorts. I do like working man. They're good songs but it was very generic and then they fired their drummer. Who is like John Rucci or is John Ramsey and John and then they hired neale and it's very unusual that a drummer for higher into into a ban that's various data? They've been under About seven years at that point or something is the guy who takes over the band and writes all their lyrics Nisar guiding light of their whole apostrophe basically. Yeah his sort of very expensive ideas both about playing but you know that he would come into this band and and right something like twenty one twelve if find the band and we were saying that the other thing is that there is something a very fortunate influence. That Neal's very strange for rock and roll lyrics. One thing that's interesting about his lyrics is they're not written in the sort of colloquial Americanism or like Sudha blues that most rock is written in the written in sort of high flown syntax. And he was saying that especially early on the point of ridiculousness to be honest. And you know He. He was laughing thing about it when I talk to him. He said he was probably reading. Too much nineteenth century literature and taking the syntax of that and put it into a rock context and it wouldn't have worked if it was like Paul Rogers from bad company. Singing these You need a weird singer. It's just all coincidence. They didn't know that the drummer they hired that he could write lyrics and he would know that they lyrics earlier. Extend which he can write would be so perfectly suited to getty just as weird faith happened yet then I think they kind of like eccentricity of the writing grew to meet the weirdness of the lyrics eight. It's like once you get a farewell to kings. It's like cygnus x one or something like that. It's like no other band could have written on there completely detached from that like sort of Zeppelin area area things. He'd they're not even playing on that field anymore. You know and then so as you're saying in the in the eighties. It got kind of Cynthia Cynthia but you know I. I can't can I particularly fans of those albums. That's when I you know. I became a rush fan but presto was appointed of for Alex. Life's in it was a little wimpy because Alex is the Kinda the rock and roll the band in some ways. He's a stone or very proudly so he doesn't love rehearsing as much as everyone else. He's not obsessed with perfection. Action is just a loser guy and so key to the overall thing of the band without them there would be so. I think it'd be in danger of being some kind of like robotic bludgeoning prog thing without looseness and awesomeness of of Alex but then in in the nineties as music more broadly became guitar heavy again and and grunts came in. They started to really early rock again right yeah. Counterparts is one of their heaviest records. And I think that quality only like ramps up in the next like decade or so they portrayals obviously you know you listen to the first in that one little victory is coming out with this like insane double bass and you know almost like thrash metal love that it's just I mean that is satisfying for me. There's any any full drum solo just a couple of bars of that. Yeah I mean. He had said that he was a little bit shy. About sort of coming out of the Gaelic Getty encouraged him to open the song. Like that and you know it's really awesome. Awesome to hear him really unleashed especially since that was right after he had taken a break from the band after suffering this unimaginable losses. But then clever angels to that song be you to be or like that again. The the heaviness. They really went out kind of at their heaviest in some ways like like just awesome. Yeah which is great like you know they they really reclaim that like rock power you know. Let's just yeah here we go. Yeah yeah there. is something really really satisfying about that. Because once again they defy any conventional ark for rock. Bandit they start out super heavy and super sprawling get titan in somewhat popular in but then go back and in some ways rock harder than ever before. Yeah and if you look at the vast majority of their career if it's outside of the spotlight of any real attention that there's a short period a removing pictures and in the final five years when there's the Rock Hall of fame in that documentary and all the attention on then besides that this is a group that was playing arenas and was put albums out the totally Lee removed out of mainstream culture. Yeah and since we're running out of time I just WanNa say nitny appeared was a fascinating human being in a very arable one. I really love his Something he would say to himself. which is what is the most excellent thing I could do today and you can do a lot in a lifetime? he wrote for the Song Marathon. He really did and I think he is. He said people shouldn't have heroes but I think he is an example and in many ways that that people could file and I will say that Getting getting Alex said if you know your morning for a new period you might wanNA consider a donation to a cancer charity. 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