Episode 1141 - Marc and Tom's Normal Things
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You would think people are at home, just wondering those people that have. Either a problem or Credit Card issues. I would imagine are amassing things. People with money. You're probably buying things. People no money. You're probably selling stuff. How how's Your Business Doing? How the kids are you finding time for yourself? Are you taking walks. Are you going outside and you talking to friends? Are you saying hello? Do Your neighbors in that awkward way with a mask. Are you cleaning up? Are you organizing? Have you got everything together? Or are you in bed? Get up, get out. Make your bed shower up. Feed the fucking animals, and by animals and talking about your family. Then feed your pleasant pats. Maybe family can feed itself. I don't know your situation. I just know this togetherness is starting to crack some people. So look apparently we're not going to be shooting. The Fourth Season of glow till sometime in twenty twenty one. I do not know in stand up. Comedy is going to resurface. I'm not of the Type of comic that needs to go do shows drive ins or at half filled houses spread out as much as I enjoy taking the stage. I don't I don't need to do that. I save some money. I'm okay for now. You can catch me on instagram. Live occasionally. You can catch me here. where I'm not being particularly funny, but look today I'm GonNa Talk. To my friend Tom Ling. Many of you know Mr Sharply. One of the great broadcasters. One of the great broadcasters. If you do know him. You probably know him from his show the best show. And that's been on a little bit of a hiatus. He's finishing up a memoir. But you can always. Go, listen to the best show. Stuff at best show dot net. Here's some of the comedy. Here's some of the. Amazing. Pauses. Of Tom Scharping one of the great. broadcasting stylists of the of the late. Twentieth Century. And DEAR FRIEND OF MINE which happened later in life, a couple of the people that. Are My closest friends are actually people that I have not known all my life, but it's turning out. The I as wife goes on, they know them. Longer than you might think. I got a call from my first serious girlfriend. out of nowhere. It's not that we've been totally out of touch what we certainly don't talk much. But she. You know heard the news about linen checked in. And It was through interesting I. Mean that's going back to nineteen, eighty, two eighty three. You know that that's the one that. Set my on of course. An ARC. Of. Heart hardened anger. Over my own selfish, fucking emotional liabilities. That persisted. For Decades That first heartbreak, even though I did not know how to love or be loved or even behave properly other than. Angry and jealous. Possessive insane, insecure and emotionally needy and aggravated. That's two. That's a horrendous triangle, needy insecure and aggravated. Do. Not Step into that. Tornado but nonetheless. through a lot of things we've stayed in touch and she's had tragedy in her life. I have this tragedy in my life now. And, we had a nice conversation, but what's interesting is when you talk to somebody that was. In your life, no matter how long ago it was if it was real, and it was serious in it was emotionally connected. They are woven into the fabric of your being, and when I heard her voice on the phone it all. It's not that it all came back. It wasn't it didn't all come back, but the familiarity was there. It was just like the the semio's the connection. The the sort of emotional frequencies just kind sync up the laugh. You hear the laugh the person that you loved decades ago and it's not that it brings you back, but it it it reconnects you in the moment to something deeply ingrained in familiar in new, and it's a beautiful thing. Happy to talk to her. For some reason, the last few days of not. been too great. As. Many of you said about grief. You don't know when it's going to happen. You don't know when you're going to be overwhelmed with it. But I think what is happening for me now is that. The shock and trauma, and and sort of PTSD and the haze and fog of. Reality Shattering tragedy. is starting to recede a bit. And what's left? Is this sort of like? Just the the pure loss. We don't lose. A history with somebody. But the IT stops. You lose a potential future. It's just you know it's just sitting with it. That, this is my life and this is not. What I signed up for. But what do we sign up for? I mean that's the weird thing. I I did not sign up to be the guy crying alone in his bed with his sixteen year old cat I didn't sign up for that and I have to let it happen, and there's something about it that I find to be pathetic. And embarrassing where it's not. What it is, it's tragic and it's painfully human. But somehow in my mind, pathetic and embarrassing to WHO. You wouldn't have known it until I told you. That I was weighing my bed, looking at Oh monkey, listening to him as medically we's. And just crying and saying look man, it's okay. We did it. You did good. Thank you, but then like I. Just kept crying. Because I was alone. You know and I was processing the loss. This is it? This is the life I'm not saying. It's not going to go away or that. It's not gonNA. Ease up, or it's going to be the ride, not. GonNa Wallo. Not Feeling sorry for myself, I'm just having the feelings, and in that moment I believe the monkey was like I. Get it man. All right and he started licking my hand and grooming me and Mike. And Mike Dude thank you, but you gotta be tired of Shit and he's like I'm I'm all right all right for now. But yeah, you know. I've been fucking eating dude. Dude I've been eating. Pad Oswald sent me a box out of nowhere. I get this box of Jenny's ice cream again. Now I've gotten it twice now. From different people I think even Jenny sent it to me. But it was from Patton. Now you know thanked him. I said thanks for the ice cream. Pal Now I can be sad and fat. Really though thanks makes me feel better, and then like an hour later a huge basket. Of Food. Cookies Brownies Olives. You know the basket. Then I made a joke. I said Oh shit a basket to. Thanks man. This is almost as good as my girlfriend being alive again. then. I wrote to dark. But you know we're comics. It was dark. It was obvious sweet, horrendous joke, and he went ha, Ha, oh, man, and then he said if memory serves you're at the ice cream and baked goods phase of morning so i. wanted you to have the Primo stuff. I said beautiful. Thanks hope you're well, and he said hope. You're doing well and that you're getting better. I said overall better. Some days are sad. He said the sad days will never truly go away, but the days where you get to experience joy and every other emotion in the spectrum coming back, I promise. I, said thanks man. It's good to hear that. Patton Oswalt, stepping up nice man. That's the thing about friends. Showing gratitude. To them. Do that talk to your friends? and that's what this episodes really about. Tom I have done shows before we did. A series called the mark and Tom Show. We've done few those. I was on his show years ago new. Jersey but Tom's a guy that you know. We became friends who you know later not that long ago really. And just love the guy. and. He's been really present for me during this time. Vike between you and me. He'll come over and we'll eat dinner like once a week. We'll be back outside. Just talking mass quiz. With some distance between us. Just having a nice dinner. And you, talking for a few hours about stuff. Talking about people having some laughs talking about movies. He's over last night actually night before last. Had? Some dinner talked about the SAFDIE brothers Sandler Movies Paul Thomas Anderson. At the expense of not present. Which is nice talked about language. Talked about his new book Scott read his. Manuscript. But it's important to do that. However you're gonNA. Do it obviously some you like you. Guys just talked without masks on and we did. Outside. Not Too close. But. Yeah, man, I mean you gotTa. You gotTa Nourish. That part of you, you gotta stay engaged. You got to get some laughs and. I think also it's important to be. Grateful to the people that. Are there for you. And that somehow some for some reason, it's very hard for me to do I don't know why it's not that I don't feel gratitude, but to connect with the words not to be like. Hey, buddy, thanks man! Thanks for hanging, but just sort of like. You. Know Really. 'cause, that's the tone like that's nice in its polite, but that's you know the up. That's like pushing it out. They're like hey great to see you. You know it's different than like. Hey, you know has been very difficult time. And I. Really appreciate showing up for me. And I said that to my friend. Sam My set. My Friends Sam websites the other dude he he That guy calls me every night and we talked for like a half hour to an hour about stuff. I'll tell him how doing you know. It started off like a Y-. Okay, and he's walked me through sort of suicidal ideation crying heartache. All of it. But now you know we talk and he calls me every night and we just you know have few AFS. Talk about stuff books, thoughts news ideas the future. And just I dunno just got overwhelmed. The other night and I thanked him. With deep deeply. Grateful way you know got choked up and. Because he can't take your friends for granted, and we have these people in our lives that some people we've had in our lives forever, and yeah, you just sort of like yeah man bus best house you there for me, but. As you get older and when things start to break down when? Things people start to get sick when you know, it's just when people lose people I mean. That's where the fucking. Tire hits the road, so they say the tire hits the pavement. The wheel hits the. where the tire blows out, and the rims get all fucked up. That's when you need a friend. When you're fucking. Iran over a fucking bunch and nails put there. In the road. By Wiley Coyote the trickster. And all your tires boy out, and you're driving on those fucking rims. Because what he's just GonNa. Give up in the desert. Venture you have to? Start, walking. That's where your friends come in so. That's what's going on, and this is what this is now. This was recorded. before Lynn passed away not long before. And you know as I said you know I of. Done episodes. Where we just talked about the things going on. Things in the culture. We liked in this. This recording is actually an attempt to do something like that. And it was just as the pandemic was starting right. And it was a really an attempt to to feel somewhat normal to talk about normal things and I guess my point here is that it's important to still do that. Very important. Or else. We just going to be consumed. By. I don't know what your faith is or. How you're holding up, but you know it's bleak man. And you got you got a treasure and. and. Really rely on. That kind of human connection I think that's why a lot of people listen to this show. It's important do that. Also on dimension, there's a new batch of Ceramic W.. T. F. Cap mugs available from Brian Jones. These are the hand mugs I gave to my guests in the normal times back in the day so right now, getting these mugs from Brian Jones is the only way you can them i. it's almost like I'm talking to my guest now I I mean I can send you one if you're. On the show. By guess, also saying like you can't just break into Josh Brolin's house in. Get that Mug. 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It's relief ingredient, and now it's available without a prescription with pat today. Just one drop once a day works fast and lasts all day relief. Season is here to stay. Get Pat Today online in stores everywhere. Your. I. Guess, I'm finding a little crazy. Occasionally thinking thinking I have something. But there'll be times when I'm just suddenly like yes, it and I just realized it's like I have these things happened my whole life? Right? Have A. Congested for half a day and then it passes, but now suddenly it's like Oh. There's gotTa be it and I'm not I'm not gonNA. Make it through it. I used to smoke. I'M GONNA end up in the hospital. So, we'll tell you that that coffee I went out of the way and I got some Dunkin donuts beans. Okay, just because sure I gotta think for Dunkin donuts occasionally. Yeah, and I was in Ralph's I. Get a bunch of good coffee. I GET HIGH END SHIT! Yeah, and I just saw the bag of Dunkin beans and might fuck it now. Let's go I'm living. I'm going back to New England. Right you're back to your Boston. Yeah jacked up. Did they have in Jersey Oh? Yeah, Dunkin donuts is everywhere chock-full and nuts, too. Yeah less less. That, but that was more of a Manhattan thing. I would see those when I way I into the city from New Jersey I'd see like shock on outs I bought the can chalk on for a while full nuts. You'd see the oversized cans in like like my grandmother like they would regret. Hardly deflate. Jonathan Chock full nuts and they would have like a jar Sanca. Guess they didn't WanNa sank a yeah. Go through the production of making coughing yet and. But then but Dunkin donuts. That's what got me drinking coffee like doing when I was. Like my nobody, my family drank coffee so I didn't grow up with coffee drinkers, but then just at some point when you're like. Like eighteen nineteen year just like I got a check in what the big deal with us! It's time and then it was like Oh my God. This stuff is. This I was like. I would like I'm on a lifelong journey. My head would spin that. Would make you vibrate yet. That's what I go for. It still does it. Yeah, I'm coming up now. I'm going out where you're just like. Wow I don't do anything else on clean and Iran today so I sweat. Everything else is going right in Oh. No, you're just going. This is like if you just poured coffee in your car and. That's what you're doing right now. Drove up to the. Empty empty ten gallons of coffee. Yeah, well, that's what I used to do. And I did radio and Air America I used to have the driver stop at fucking three thirty in the morning and I'd buy one of the. You know the kind that you people bring to. The office handled cartons. Oh, no, those. Yeah, the get one of those. Doughnuts. Dunkin Bag eminem soon and that's what I. by the time I got on the air. I remember one time was doing a live thing with with John Worst and were backstage somebody. and. I was just like so. I need just like. Just like dying for just energy and. I took like a giant coffee and then I had a thing of peanut eminem. I'm eating. PM Sandra. Somebody like saw me and they're just like. Like the long is wrong with you. And I'm just like. You're. Almost ready to like. Put The in the Coffee Club. You don't realize what you look like. You Look Squirrel you're. You're drinking the coffee now. Still so focused. Yeah, Oh, yeah, just like if I put the Eminem to my mouth and. A mouthful coffee, immelt. The one two punch the chocolate, and the the shell melts away, and I got the coffee and he'd just like. It's just the greatest thing, oh? My God and he's like a flying high. Comes in interrupts you. You're right. Yes, looking like boy, yeah. You're right. It's just like me. I'm doing great. You kidding me. With my tire, life I gotTA mouth alade. And Coffee. Like. That'd be doing any better the highlight of my existence. Exactly. How do you think I'm doing? What you worry about. Worry about yourself. Give. Oh my God so so you're burning through a lot of lot of entertainment during this. What do you what he seems to me like? I'm like I liked what you said. About Little Richard and four in. What's his name four inch? Yeah, I think that makes sense that without a little little Richard and four inch, and Ryder that we would have. Infinitely, less good music well I mean. It's crazy when you think about is like. Like you think my like influence, the and it's just like I mean like Little Richard, change everything of it like over and over and just like really. Set the pace for just like that kind of perfor- there'd been there'd be no James Brown and ramones. Prince and there'd be no remote as all of that stuff came I mean let alone Elvis, but it's like you see the that drive your. There was the fashion of it. There was the showmanship of it, but he his particular. Groove yet was even more than in a way was more than Chuck Berry there was the drive of his rock and roll If you listen to the MC five to fruity, realize like that's it. And then that goes right to the ramones. It's a straight line and it's just and. It's also funny when you listen to like these other things, and they're so thin sounding and. Lou compared to the original thing like sometimes like growing up. I was not like a blues. Yeah, person, then then you hear these blues records, and then you hear the rolling stones version just like I prefer the rolling stones version. Because it's just it's within my frame of Reference Walk Route, player. Yeah, but then you hear like these. Like you compare like little Richard's Tutti fruity with M. C. Fives version MC five's version census thin, an accord assembled like it sounds like you hear them like. Holding it in the studio right rather than them just playing it live in one room and just with just. Mike's Hanging over them. Just like We got in that piano man into the whole box yesterday that the mono box set of all the for the first five. Sure sure, it's just there. It was just a drive in his voice. You know to me that I. was that I listen to that music when I was a kid I. Don't know why that's all. I wanted to know how to do. Guitar was inconven-. In any. I wanted to do those three core things and I guess I got a little Richard through the Beatles. Right and my dad played all that Shit when I was a kid i. that was what wired my brain I talked about on the podcast. Just about how like my father's excitement about Buddy Holly Ritchie valance You know in that American graffiti soundtrack. My father's right I grew up with the thing that was just like. The template. ZETI STONE! Oh, please and. You listen to that and. It's just amazing. The basis that that the just the range of everything that those records covered and they were just. It's coming out of like a disposable industry as a it's weird. How the timelessness came out of something that was just people thinking. This isn't going to last two years from now just. Turn out the hits Yay and they'll turn into garbage. Don't worry about what tomorrow is because. We're just trying to make money today. On seven inch records and I had the Dick Clark. Twenty years of rock and roll occur election and American graffiti. My Dad had in the car. We had a buddy holly collection. He loved it. Yeah and I think. I got through like I knew buddy. Holly's slipping inside and before I knew little Richard's okay, yeah but those records all of them like I always wanted to do. If I was going to ever do a music show I kept thinking about playing the songs at my Daddy, so like in the car Shershukov. Oh my God that that's something I. Oh yeah, that was like the most formative like that's the stuff. It's amazing. How simple humans are when it's just like. You'RE GONNA. Hear this when you're eight and you're never gonNA. Forget ever ever it's this is this is. This will stay with you for the rest of your and will always be your favorite thing, even if you don't revisit it often right or you don't think it's your favorite thing. It's kind of your favorite thing I got some a couple of songs I. listen to download them recently. Like for like Oh, the, but the I had was at. This is stuff that that my father and I bond around that my father shared with me, but then I realized that it was really one of the rare times where he wasn't upset or yelling or freaked out, or or you know like he was occupied and seemingly excited. Yeah, so it wasn't that he was like. Don't you love visit was like? Hey, this is making dad feel better exactly. Happy? Can't let's keep playing the. Let's keep the. Yeah? I listened to know, but that was the one that he he loved the stroll for some reason. which I think was the diamonds. Weird kind of greasy sacks, drifting nuts on gum. Lynch, Joe. Yeah, yeah, he liked he loved. That'll be the day and other things, but I listened to peppermint twist, the stroll and little darling, which was also the diamond. Little Darlings one of my all time favorite song. The most Rockin. It's song because it's just like it's is overwhelming. How much is going on? Where it's like yeah! It's happening. You're just like this is the most overstuffed thing I've ever heard my life. My Darling I. Need You just like? One Minute Long. Everything is happening in this. It's really just like. That's that thing. That makes a mark on you, and then it's amazing that it's just like I'm not a obviously not a kid. WAS COMING OUT NO. Our dads, but there's something so. Pure about it that it just isn't time stamp at all. It's just like I. Mean you obviously know when it was recorded? But just like the but it, but the spirit of it is just had the proximity to the source point. Of Rock and roll, is close. Yeah, so I you gotta figure the newness of pushing out that way. had to fuel that, so the the purity of it is real right, so if if rockstarts fifty or fifty six really by couple of songs that they didn't even know what they were doing. Right, Delta Eighty eight or rock around the clock Oh yeah, like Turner and the don't even know what their. Because riddick decided right, but something happened now somebody somebody. decided. It's funny that somebody told the story. that it went through someone's Lens what this was right and there's there's clearly there were people watching. This story told him being like that's not the story right I was there. WHO's this guy? But he wasn't there and he's the one. Fiction! He's the one telling everybody how this went and it doesn't mean it's like. Even like as a kid for like the referencing, I can relate to like rolling stone like I would read like the rolling stone album guide, and I would just like stare at the the ratings and the reviews of the stuff I wake. And then you don't think like it just seemed like there was this like like. This is just the truth. And just like this sucks. Yeah, because it got to stars. Then you meet people and you just realize there's not some giant all knowing. Force called rolling, stone. It's just like magazine writers. twenty-four-year-old! WHO's like? The. I was into Tucson's. They had the review eight records at day. You work on your record for your whole life, and somebody's just like. Yeah. I got write three record reviews today in their blast. Through your thing, they're in a bad mood. Here's this the last on the pile exile apparently. Grabbed me, but I just always remember abuse like. Yeah like seeing that story. The people telling the story would be like. Like a coup had their biases where they were just like rolling stone was so anti Zeppelin during the seventies I. Don't like I'd never had black Sabbath right all that, so they hated it. I don't know where the hell came to me. Like I never trusted, or it never knew read, or if you're going to pick critics, who the hell are the I'd work at rolling stone, but like I never like I don't know I. Don't know how I. came about the like I'm relatively new to amassing records. right but I. I. Know What you're saying that rolling stone, everyone everyone they're. They're all curator's of some kind like the the magazine's not a curator, but they have a context, is it? This is what rolling stone believes in and is what we like what we don't like right? You can see that feel that. Yeah, and it's the same with guys that I. Buy Records from or when I was a kid who turned me under records outside of my father who set the groundwork, which was good groundwork i. mean I think that having? been built on the Oldies for rock and roll in general, it's good. In there But then as I got older, you know I had records. Everyone had than I inherited records, and then like I had a few hundred records in high school, and things were happening high school, and there was a guy in high school the Termi onto the shit, but now i. I mean I. don't even know what you're sitting on your like. There's some I the. There's this mysterious thing about you in that way comedy records you have, and then it's like Oh my God. You can't even say. And then I pictured. There's there's probably houses filled with records and back in Jersey Yeah. There's there's a lot of records. The fairmount, but like what are we talking? Thousands I guess. I mean it's just it's. It's all I ever. Did you know only win from when I was ten? Of buying records. Secretive about it or your shame. It's sometimes. It's always picture the idea that you spend your life collecting thing and you're just like. Don't touch on that one. and. Then you die and then. He's just. Throwing all it in a dumpster with no just like I. Don't know what this stuff is. They didn't buy it at the estate sale. Just. Cheaper to throw it. Just rent one of these dumpsters. They drop in your driveway. Brother, just going to. Keep this. Yeah, and that's like I. Picture that being. I also don't want to get caught up in the. The I don't know there's like a collecting side of things that's always been such a bummer to me where it's like. It works, and it's either sounds like a like a trite thing, but where people are just like. They lose sight of the music by what. Am I can't do that and I don't have the room for it, so that was sort of the. Fear of I've had a fear of. The records owning me for a while and It's a scary thing because the records can own, you know I. Know in like I bought I've bought things sealed like I had I sealed something yesterday I'm trying to remember what the hell it is. I opened because I got a sealed copy of and Mike Who's who my waiting for? To listen. To this I bought this at some point, and it was still sealed like when I go through like I I've been listening to. All the records I've been primarily to out of the records. The older records I get hung up like I. Want I. Want a time. Travel I want old records I get sent a lot of new records and I'll listen to him a couple. Times rarely feel compelled to to keep new records I. Don't know why. Unless they speak to you sure amazing sure. I'm compelled to hold onto all of it. This is why I'm oh trying to. It's a barrier that guy, so so you've just got. Hip five years from now I. Know Maybe. If I got rid of it then I'm the I'm a real sucker. Thank loading this thing now. If I'M GONNA, want it five years. It's like just say good and go get it again, but we right, but so. Have you found that that happens? You got all these records that you thought five years from now. You'd like him now. It's ten years later and he's. Sitting there. There's a there's a certain philosophy that I. Have where it's just like. Isn't it enough that I knew the right things? If it doesn't mean I, read the book or I? Listened to the record. It's like I knew what the good ones were. Isn't that half of? That, most of this like I, think so I can curate the per, but it's like, but that's, but that's, but it shouldn't be though it should be. Like should be able to be happy with just like this liberal stash of the best stuff and let that be what that is, but see but see I. My thing is been like I'm amazed at how much I don't know so like when I deal with you. Know I imagine if we spend time together with your records I would be like I. Don't know anything about this and I like that feeling so then like. How am I going to learn about this It's funny I started this. In the pandemic? This has been a chance for me to start five new podcasts. Great I. Ju Julie. Clouds I started one. We're doing and then what you do over the. I do it on zoom on my and she's Oh. She records good to just sink. Good at yeah, our producer puts it together and that's. We're doing that and that's called double threat, but they also started this other one for like a bonus thing for best show. Yeah, people and it's me and the. The producers on the best show we're going. Year by year through crosby stills, Nash and young through all of the through every solo album, really yeah, and it's like we just recorded this morning for two and a half hours I'm just like. We're doing to two I J each. It's so Yoshi you're going backwards to. We're now we're going in. We're going chronologically. Four. We started with the first episode was every in the first episode was like episode. Zero would be like everything before. CSM So Buffalo, Springfield. Colleagues and then. We're taking two year chunks that time going forward. We just did seventy, five, seventy six, and it was just like. It's like one of the worst experiences of my life. Stephen Stills made four albums a year at one point where he was like cl- I recorded every one of his albums in Miami, so you just don, Pablo's. Exactly running around with guns. Dressed in like either a football Jersey or like dresses like some paramilitary guy and you're just like. And it's just like. But it's like music. Oh, I mean. Some of the stuff is like. There's these crosby Nash albums right. They did one like every eight months. Yeah, and you're just like. You guys are just like it. You guys like you look like you're dying like you look at the cover and they look so unhealthy. And these records are just and then, but just concurrently neil young as like transcending. Like. Reinventing the whole thing, yeah, every album! Yeah, like crosby. CROSBY's too much. Listening thing I did with him. The Greatest. Kind of an asshole. Dude. He would've stayed at my house all day, but but the thing that was amazing about him is I I never I didn't know him. You Look I've got a I've got plenty of love for crosby stills Nash and young and crosby stills and Nash highly. You know I don't. That's the thing I. I like sweet, Judy Blue Eyes in in the live record and You know deja-vu some of it, but. I was into it. When I was a kid, it was formative. Sure mm-hmm, but. But, he didn't know him. I think I tracked him down on twitter I. Don't know if I told you this and I get this phone call from him about no. Time. And I'm I. DON'T WANNA. Get into it now. Because I don't want to betray anybody, but yes something. There was something going on between. Between him and Graham that involved a woman in. These guys are like eight. I mean they've made some of this more public now. Some of the like the. Yeah, he's telling me. You didn't get signs like look man I. Don't want to get into that so if you're planning on getting on my number one I don't know what he's talking, but deeper than that who could possibly give a fuck I mean they're ninety and. Not Get into the chick then. What do you? Does there somebody who is actively like waiting for this information? Just they're fighting over check girlfriends, and just like still it's insane that these guys first of all it's saying all four of them are alive. It's an unbelievable. God bless all of them. They're still. Yeah, four of the ramones are dead. Yeah, all four of crosby stills, Nash Young a lot I don't think stills can hear nothing stills a not doing particularly Great Kirby's just meeting kids. He had yeah. He's forms of bandwith. Yup! They self publishes itself releases his record. We got him to call the best show one night. We're just doing show and one of the producers, Jason just starts. Poking him on twitter being like Hey, call up and he calls up. The weird thing is ever happened so like. Hey Man. And just like. I had no preparation for the no. Nukes David Crosby online for I'm just like. Okay! Because I'm talking to David, crosby now and I was just like I just want to say. Thank you for calling in. Yeah, you know this one birdsong everybody's been burned is one of my all time. Favorite songs were like. and. He's like Oh year. You like the old stuff. Okay, okay, and then I like quick type like David Crosby DOT COM. It's like I like your new outlets. Love the name of new album. The name of the I knew it was going to call in. I would have listened to it if I hadn't pro. Star Newsday's like okay. Okay you like the new stuff and. Start talking about nukes right day. Start talking about nukes and. But. He was so like you just picture I'm just sitting there. But. He was one of the fucking I, he was top notch, ego, Monster, just fucking and drugs, and just two weeks almost satanic yet, Diane, nasty and fucking cluster. Fuck up there in the hills you know. He was like the Lord owner and off. Yeah, he was like. Those guys were the first people that like. The hippies were just like. These guys are just out for the money. Like money and the sex they got singled out just like they're charging twice as much for concert tickets and they're just like they think they're. They're rockstars and we're supposed to like. They were the first ones to kind of get to kind of get dragged by the by the by the counterculture like cs ny really like represented this This thing of just like you guys are fakes, and you're just. You're not a part of the call like. 'cause back then. It was always interesting because. That kind of makes sense because I think the. Either the A in our guy I mean they were a geffen project and I mean deja-vu was David Geffen so I one of his first. And I think in that in his push. Yeah, like in, and he's clearly a a guy who's going to sell out the fucking Hippie doesn't care. But I think I think he was. They were with him. deja-vu is now and I'm just look what do I know I mean they were all kind of hanging out, but obviously guys why Geffen saw a tremendous amount of money in the most fuck the 'cause they mean you. You can maintain the illusion. Fellas, absolutely. No, they were like. Because I think Geffen did that big. They did like this big seventy four mega mega tour where they're applying like football stadium. Right and I think that was a geffen thing, but you don't like any of it I mean really ought. I like Dan's big crosby so a fan like that. I can't remember album. Remember. If I, could only remember my name. Record. Yeah! I think. Series Hippie Shit, there yeah, but that's a sad record. Two because his girlfriend had just die. Like you! It's A. Feel it. Yeah, you can kind of feel. This is a guy trying to get healed through music and I. think that's in it, but then. He goes off the rails Kinda. On the rails and off the same time I'M Just like over the next ten years. You can. If you just look at the pictures of everybody year, you're just like in aging a doll. Year seven years. In Jail I mean you know ends with a Mugshot when he's got short hair? Delivers going on. Yeah, but here's my thing like. Like I'm going through. The records have gone through them. All I got I got new record dividers that are very nice, okay. I moved the jazz upstairs I had more room downstairs. Your jazz and comedy upstairs comedy is just sort of a guilty pleasure, I. Don't listen to like jazz kind of like. You know what people are like. Kind of Jazz. Jazz you can listen to again I can with. Throwing on Shelley Berman album again. To time. There's no. There's no nuance. It's like I didn't hear that. What like did you hear the beat on that? They took it took an extra second before he says like a there's a woman hanging outside of the window and see what is the upper limit of how many times you could listen to. Record exact three. Well some of them were kind of like. There's one record that I will play for people and it's a Rodney dangerfield record before he got the hook. It was called the loser or something. It's actually signed. I don't know where I got it, but it's kind of long form bits, so it's. It's Rodney doing this thing that you just don't know him for before he got the respecting way. Nice thing. I it's Kinda Nice to listen to people before they. You know fully formed Oh. Yeah, yeah, but I think the the most interesting thing about comedy records is just the bad decisions. People make about the cover art which I've done myself. When you look at comedy records like? How did they think that was a good idea? Even peers of mine people we know have record covers were like really you're holding your. Always like what are you doing? Those the covers of comedy records and The the way a stages dressed on comedy special community so telling where you come out into the giant pencil. Mistakes people are just like bad mistakes, props. It's like A. Just like it's like I'm in the playground, but these options. That's the fucked up thing. That's the worst thing you can do because it's like with comedy, central half hours or like. Yeah, let us know what you want to do with the states, so my first one I did two of those. And the first one I'm Mike for some reason. I'm like I WANNA sideshow banner. Okay, because I thought. I? Don't know what thought it'd be interesting. Yeah, but it just. It looks weird, just a fat lady in. You know and I'm like what was I doing and mean? People are like what's that? Why does he have that up? And then the next one was worse. Where where it was worse I come a shame to fool, was it? And so two, thousand, two, thousand, six I think and like I'm like I want I want. It was not one of your big big. You're not one of your banner years to. Wasn't bad I was in Air America was pretty political. Yeah! I was you. The set was type. It is pretty political. Yeah, so I had this idea in terms of like you were because people you know the whole. Thing. It's like you are not. Right after I, think I'd just wasn't. I separated yet. I might it might have been right before we got divorced because you had the two because I always look at seven Air America thing I always look at us like after two thousand four. It was like because I went to. That I went to that election party that. Two thousand four election. which was one of the most I? Mean that to me is the launch you mean the launch party for Air America, no, like literally the night of the two thousand four presidential election. It was just like Oh. Yeah, like when like when Bush one? Yeah, when? There was flake. Sam I will talk to Sam Cedar in the morning and he would just be like he's like. Carries got this in the bag. I just to somebody. fucking Lawrence are Donald. Did that to me with Hillary to the fucking bowery I'm going to do. She can win. He's like Oh, yeah. And I remember being at that party and watching like. People like there. I can't remember, but it was such. I just remember seeing like. Rachel Maddow and Was winstead. Yeah, let's win set and they were people just like. Well, there's counties in Ohio. Have come in yet and those are more Democrat and there's just like watch. Over. Lost, but people are just trying to like. Pull hope from nowhere. And felt like the Air America. Thing was just like. This place existed to beat this guy and it's like what's going to be now, is that? What did you just keep pushing against it? Yeah for me. It was fine, but the but the set was the problem where I thought like I'm going to have a big picture of a herd of sheep. Okay going the other way. And I'm going to be your the sheep going the other one going the one sheep sure, if not them not going to heard. Yeah, so there's a picture of a literally a photograph of the asses of a herd of shoes. and. Then somehow I signed off on the idea to have one stuffed sheep. Sure on the state okay. And I did that that off. In the world. That there was a point where somebody said. Do you like the sheep and yeah? Yeah put the one out there. 'cause that solidifies. Yeah Oh you just see me sitting. Standing up there with passes Y- behind me. Stupid stuff but stage, yeah, and then my mind and my. I'm I'm. I'm nailing so funny that you get to the point where you're just like. Of course I. Don't need any of that thing you needed. Literally. None of it gave you the option. That's what I'm telling you. That was their way of personalizing it because they turn those things out the half hours. We're all shot one week sometimes two day. Yeah, so. They're like what you want. We're GONNA. Make it your own. And whatever stage look like at that thing. That is a giant crib and then. Every comedian has. Their good. That's what they put their money into. His guy gets getting these set changes, but that Moore did it take for mind nothing a put a slide up and they brought a stuff shipping. We've got the slide in the. Reads. This is easy to go and the other time. It was just a sideshow banner That was a bad. That was bad. Because like I was. I was sober yet, and and I came out to la a sad experience, still married to I. Don't remember what year that was. Where'd you tape that? At the like over here in Hollywood I'm vine I remember what theater was was one of those theaters over there, okay? The Ivar may be or something where they I don't remember but but it was like that was the year that Hedberg taped his changed his wife that thing he did, and I was Aaron like he didn't do that well, but the kids loved it. Yeah, and I remember they bust in a Lotta Samoans. I don't know why they were busing in audience members and all I know. Is that like I'd come out here? I would I knew my material and I watched some of it the other day, and it's bad and I were a black suit with a red shirt I was well groomed, and I really was like I'm going to stay clean. GonNa come out here and just be. Like, the night before the special, I just went over to. The Guy I did drugs with that time. WHO is out here? You know and Bob. I was like I just do a couple. Nine die ended up wake up all night not with him, but just in my fucking hotel room going why fuck I do that. And I do the I do the set and it's bad, so OK? Nothing lands like someone done a thing on youtube written an article, a deep dive into the rabbit hole of me, just all the way up through the current special, and had a large along clip of that one I'm telling you about and I'm like Oh my God and there are things i. remember loving loving about that set uh-huh, and so here's how this was the worst moment about it. Though so I do this. It's my first half hour for comedy central and I walk into the dressing room and I got no friends there. Nobody's there except my Koci except for Bob and And he's in the green. Room going yeah roast beef. That's that's what I walk. Is Bob standing there with a plate or roast beef. Yeah didn't even say good set and I was sort of like yeah, with the fuck of I. Know. This is bad. Yeah, I played. I was at Maxwell's for a yellow. On the first, that's one of the first times we had an extended conversation with. One of their Hanukkah shows. That's right, and I never felt like I did well at those things that was the night. You and I had a long conversation right in the hallway. We should Fran exactly. It's just like this thing. Where like you're like? It is such a weird thing where you're just not sure especially when you carry so much just like shitty. for which I know I do just like I, said I mix it up with this guy. What's it there? I mean show like this Guy Shaves. Go after like for no reason. Yeah, it's. It's so fetig the I. Know! He's a great guy. Sweaty to wasn't sweating. It's always hot. The Maxwell Maxwell those Yala Tango. Shows. Were So. Crowded and I just remember early on like I tweeted something. That was like weird. Blind items sub tweet thing that lake. About, what can a shot at some at another podcast? Not You right and is remember Brendan like writing before. I even knew Brendan just like say hey, you talking about us, I'm like no. He's like Oh cool because I like. Shall and it was like like your show too, and it's like that's all dislike. Exactly friends with everybody was just like no. I was ripping on somebody else out good. Yeah. That's exactly it. Yeah, they're terrible. We're friends. Sad State of affairs. The Rodney thing saying. I've been watching so much. This youtube channel of now. A lot of over tonight jokes. About him, I say about him as like you know it's. It's odd that. In the big picture in the history of comedy, he doesn't get the respect he deserved. He's still doesn't. and. He's great. It's unbelievable the level of Him and rickles covered. Every thing I'm interested in like to represent all of the comedy I could ever want your thing and it's like. His thing is just so like. If you watch a bunch of the tonight. Show things you realize the game with in the game that when he would sit down on the couch with Johnny and then just be just kind of like. They're just going through just like health. Dumb Kid yeah yeah. This ramp to like he just he just he gets to the, and it's just like you could see the amount of fund that they're having knowing that. This is a game that like always do as land one with Johnny and it's like like he doesn't always win one. 'cause Rodney like right out of the gate. He like everything's twitching. Everything everything is moving on. That guy had his arms his legs. He's wedding me touching himself. It's like it's everything's going, and it's all funny. It's it's the funny. The funniest conceit is that he sits down, and then johnny goes hiring. It's like I'm doing good last week. I was in rough shape though last week Russia. Last week last week I was in rough shape is the funniest thing I've ever heard. And then when like one doesn't land, he'll just go like well, not funny that some of just not to be cute. It's just like and that just kills Johnny the idea that just like. He knows when he bombs on my God. He's only trying to lend jokes man and it's like he's so like he's such a package that guy. And then to find retrospect, he's been paralyzed with depression. Oh, he's profoundly sad. unfixable Richard Lewis. say he referred to it as a heaviness got the head. Or breaking. You can just feel a dislike. I just think you. You feel this guy. And there's seems like there's a part of that just like. Where were you bombs when I was trying to make him? Hook ME THIRTY YEARS TO GET HERE? I hate all. You had to sell Pot Adami. And been fucking. Go get into the women inciting business with Joe Answers at fucking kids. You ask xactly. Where were you guys? You made me you made me grind it out. I'm in my fifties before you get started. Paying attention and everything like all all he's doing is trying not to get sucked into the vacuum of self just darkness fighting I'm trying not to drown here Johnny don't get me and he just won't women. He just knows to not. Show, the person like he just noisy just like I'm never show you I'm not once. You get these little glimpses. Of like the like the ACT A and we're, he'll just be like. Like, he'll just say like like I. Got Dates on playing over at this. You know I got this movie coming out easy money and it's a good movie, but I really like doing the live stuff just like you just know. He hates like he hates these movies. He just he just knows he's grabbing whatever they'll give him. He'll take. Yeah, but it's not why he's there. At the live show like stand up is what? Kept the lights on for the guy, and then whenever we get to that moment where he's just like I played a lot of rough places. Vetoes boom boom room easily. Mundi Oh. I'm so glad these A. Looking at us to always end up on him to I like rickles to the thing I liked about rickles. Is that rickles like almost always on TV appearances would say like twenty percent of what he said makes no sense at all. It's it's make. It's just word salad. Just. This guy's got the thing on his head with the two four things. And the five Spaghetti O's who bill this guy is busy. Knocking on the door is trying to tell me trying to sell me a pair of pants and you're just like what's that mean? Lake timing was always. Does knows he can like Ram it through, and he knows like some of these are nothing I've ever watched him do A. And like the the thing that killed me. I'll never forget agency system some guy. Front and I think it was a play. Where where'd you get that to come with the two pairs of pants and a Yoyo? He would go his. There's this thought. It might be like five hours long of him every. Every Lake it was like I think it was like every letterman appearance for rickles from from like an eighty three way to win like. His final one and it just like when he came out with a cane when he would be out. There already would come back from a commercial break. He'd be sitting there because he couldn't walk, so, but he would be like. One of the funny, it's like one of the meanest in funniest things he did this. He would like all like do variations on jokes or you just be like? He'd be like. Dave I went to I was on Jerry Lewis is telephone and he comes out he sings. You'll never walk alone. The kids get up and leave. The. Meanest? Everybody like. Era Moments where watch rickles, and he's filled with real fury among you can see it like I. It's all cute, but like something behind their. That's sort of like Oh my God. Yeah, well, he also he. It must be a thing to to know your the court jester for them for for these for these legitimacy that one of the where they set up. A MAKESHIFT VEGAS. Lounge for him to entertain people in show business. Have you seen that I don't know I? Don't know it was like I. Don't know who did. It was a Dean Martin Luther something I think. I might have it, but they're like you know this guy. We're GONNA. Yeah, he's the guy who does there so we? If you've never seen him in Vegas, and so they created on the set like a stage for him to do his Dick. But in the in the audience is Pat Boone like all these weird celebrities volume. Kinda and he just goes Adam. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy because he's sweating and it's like it's probably how is not the worst nightmare you know, but he must be. It must be the worst and the Ba- like his bulletproof he knows. I can say I have the Mike. I can say whatever I want and you. People are GonNa Laugh. When he says like his timing was so good when James James Stewart teams. and. It goes like Jimmy. I talked to the family. You're doing fine. Those are always. On my God he would like he That album he did this album. Hello, dummy, which is like just the standup like. At the end I know at the end of it. There's the speech he always did where it's like. We I was in the Navy, and we stood on that ship looked out, and we were all others. I don't make fun of little people. You're all big like it's kind of a cop out. But he like. There's a point where he's like He's a showing. He made fun of anybody's. Like. Where where are you from and the guys like? Uh? I'm well. She's like. Let me make you feel at home. Earn cave-in like so. He could just do it like a mining. And everybody is like I was like this guy is. Just, like he can say anything, he could spend anything. It's all rhythm pace and force of the words. Yeah, like you have to kind of realize how little you need, it's. It's not the specials you. Didn't you realize you didn't need a cheap onstage? No need anything, and then you're better off without even shooting the audience. That was the best thing I started doing. Don't ever cut to the audience. It's just a trick, so you can cut may cuts. Why look at that Weirdo white like evening the Improv like why am I looking at those people I, never, WanNa. See the audience and these things and it just feels like. You know what I can't stand the special whenever there's like this thing. When like is somebody make a? Reference to just like the like you know. Basically mentioned some either like a either gender or ethnicity, and they cut to the audience member of who lines up with the job it's like. The, it's like the worst thing. I ever saw my life to black people just like there was nothing worse than The audience cuts during Paul Rodriguez. I did a special in a prison just horrendous. That might be the only one I would wanNA see audience reactions to it just it, but they would cut it like people clearly didn't want to be seen. What is the what is for you? The ceiling on what is for for? Comedy. Crowd, wise size wise like what? Where do you think it gets lost? I would say you. you start to kind of buckle. At twelve hundred, okay I think you can still kind of make something intimate with twelve hundred and make comedy real. You can still reach the battle. Get up into two thousand or fifteen hundred e what was Carnegie Hall Twenty, two hundred yeah, but that's a different kind of that rooms got perfect sound situation so that when you did Carnegie, Hall You. You felt like you were reaching the I felt like I did not do well. But. Statement was such a fun show never got off stage. She'd be like two hours in Graz. Because I was sitting there I was sitting one row, and for my mind your mother, and then you just went off, and you did the stuff about your mother and I'm watching your mother watch. This is the highlight of my life. Right now watching this guy, reckon with this thing. And Twenty, however many thousand. We're we're all spectators to this guy finally squaring off with his mother. Did I. Do yeah. You're doing the whole thing about this like. Why don't I get to pull the plug? On my brother. His number one. He gets the ball the plug on it. Yeah, yeah, why does he get to? Seeing you do that in front of her to to her. Really. Was this like you just a race? All it would just be. You and hurt heading in Carnegie Hall. Had The lady. Bring out my phone to read the email from my father. Yeah! Yeah, riffing is, it's a big night for me to riff for an hour but that's the cap that to you is like a different structure. Yeah, it was that was tricky. I felt the weight of it. You could see like I can open my I can feel when I'm open, and when it starts to buckle, like I can feel like like in my heart, I can feel like. It's fight now. I'm losing them back to okay. Did you feel like you lose? I would. This is so interesting to me. Do you feel like? When you look at a theater, yeah, are you focusing on sections? Are you focusing on the entirety of the room or you were the when you're when you're onstage. Theaters like have a good role to them, and you know you. You feel you know buoy. We'd like it really depends also on the acoustics of the theater, but like when I did a symphony hall both times I did the symphony hall. Three times I, did one in San Francisco to one in England. And I did a Bam like they're like that type of structure that's built for an Orchestra Mike I started to feel like like at any second I could get zero laughter. Okay and I. Don't know why like it was like that was. There was the potential for the connection to break. Right right feels like yeah, like I'm going to be up here alone. and I'm going to hear myself talking and it could happen. And I don't know why. I think it's my own fear. Maybe it's something because ultimately that's on me. right like I. Don't know what what makes me continue to be confident in those moments, but even when you're bombing, you've got to keep doing the act so you you do not, and it's a liability. It can happen, and it's a horrible feeling I don't know why, but like I can't open back up and here. I am you know not even on autopilot, but I'm just doing it, but I'm not connecting and now I gotta live with this. Yeah for an hour. So, worst and into and I don't know I always think a at a symphony hall. It's sort of like this isn't built for one troubled Ju. This is built. This is built a House symphony. You know of people that spend to put together a big thing. Yeah, not me going God. What is going to happen? And do you do feel yourself watching yourself do it. I've only had that happen once or twice like servant. Body the worst. UNINDO BACKSTAGE! You can't. I'll meet you back there. Sorry, Buddy. I just can't hang out for this. Like God. But. That's funny that that this one form caps out at such a relatively low number before you start to feel like you lose. Nets me, you know I. Mean Guys like do arenas you know and they but I still think a lot of. That's a cash. Grab I. Mean who the fuck would go. See Comedy at a football states. What I don't understand is just the idea of like. When you would have when there was that stretch where all these people were playing Madison, Square Garden and the like. I think the Louis and Amy Schumer and everybody was like like got to do the garden right like they were doing the golf and it's just like. That's what is that fifteen thousand people for stand up thing if you're not even doing the back was if it's over ten so. It just feels like. There's there's just such A. There's such a ceiling on any kind of connection. You could have just based on the. Right, but you're doing different kind of thing. Your jokes I can't like I like room so I can fuck off you know and and and find something new you know, but if you're tight and your jokes land like you in order to do that size room, your jokes have got to land strong. Yeah, you can't just. You can't be thoughtful you you can't be. Be Lyrical really yeah, yeah, yeah, because then you're gonNA. Come to the end of it and people are going to be like. Is it done you know so? You know like you'll notice that. Most of those guys did do the big rooms they're they're going to. You know everything boom boom ball yet says it's gotta be. It's like the equivalent of just like. Just, you have to. It's like like if you're gonNA be a band playing there you have to keep your thing has to translate. Yes to the whole room and they play the hits. Man You know what I mean like. Yeah, he's just got to land and I I could do it and I've gotten better at doing those oddball things for twenty thousand people and when I do it I'm like jokes do I. Know Close strong in a lot of guys. That's all they think about like everything like, but some of my jokes. Are you know they're? They're not, it's not. They don't close strong. Would they go a different direction? They're more personal, but you don't. You don't really have that option there now. I know when you're in a place like that. You're not seeing that anything. That's subtle can read as not working right right, which is just such a crazy thing, but that's the way that is the nature thing, but with music. It's amazing that there's like. There's no ceiling on. How big if you're big enough for the people. You can play to two hundred thousand people that people can be playing. Thousand People Works. Yeah because it's music magic. Yeah, because everybody has the relationship with different, but the song and they can listen to it over and over again. Yeah, and yeah, they're just all amazed. It's just it's a whole different thing, but it's so funny. When they first started having bands at Madison Square Garden, Remember. I was talking to Terry Reid who is opening in band opening for cream or somebody I think. Okay and when him and Clapton got into Madison Square Garden and they were walking around like looking at it marveling at it, because they'd seen Sonny Liston, fight their on television. Yeah, it wasn't because bands at Blair. Traditional, boxers. So funny, it's because it's an all purpose. Entertainment Centre, right? We're just like yeah, we'll have a we'll have. Elvis is GonNa be here and then there's going to be. The Knicks are going to play a game. He Morrow. And we're going to a hockey game in here. It's just like everything. Yeah, if that was worth about Carnegie Hall that had to realize to like as mythic is that place is most of the time. It's not filled, you know. It's it's. Saturday, Afternoon Concert Series Yeah Yeah! Yeah it's you know it's a Persian fiddle player. you know. But. I'm not saying that's bad, but I'm just saying. which way to it like Carnegie Hall, but no one ever goes there. It's the way they run things every day. Have four times a week and they're like only got twelve people in there. For the Persian dances functional e concert hall where it just like. We to do something here. The worst part about that night was like outside of me, not feeling great about it. Was You know we? Have I. had my management scrambled to get. Cats is for everybody and put it in a room there. I wasn't told that you know if we're there. After a certain hour, they gotta pay the Union overtime also like there was all this meat upstairs, and we all go into this room. And all these people came up and they're like. You gotta get out uh-huh. What's going to happen? Yeah? It was rushed. I didn't realize that the rest of what was just. We don't want to pay them anymore. Yeah, you gotta get out and then mean you walked ninety blocks. Yeah, and in Nape arquette's. He gave me some dip I. Remember I was had a skull packing and you and were decompressing Yeah, that was exciting. I was just like took the walk seeing that whole thing and just you kinda you Kinda like doing a post game thing after it was very flattering that you asked me to be there, it was such it was a special night I didn't feel. You said you recorded it, so it's not like I can't release it. I have it somewhere. I haven't heard time I listen to it. That'll be in your box that it'll be in. The box said I thought standard. I've talked to swizzle about putting him out. He's got most of my records. You put them all out, but like do is comedy really like that? There was some records I've done like. Final engagement seems to resonate with some people because it's like it's such a dark, angry record, and I recently talked to Louis Cats. WHO's a comic? He's going through a break up and he's like I listened to. That I think it was helpful, and it was like one of these records were Mike. I'm going through that separation. I'm heartbroken angry. I can barely keep my fucking. Santa together and I call up Schuessel, who does recording I say I, think I got something you should just meet me in Seattle with the Shit. and. He did and I got the worst comedy club in the world. Who Work there? Okay? We taped like four shows of me, just sort of like in the darkest place in my life and it exists in the world yeah. Well, let's and now it's. It's how people that are going through Harper. Yeah, you made! That's the comedy equivalent of some of these records. xactly well, this is fun. This is great. To have a crash from the coffee. Yeah, no, that's that's how would work I think we got a lot done? John Take Care of yourself you to stay safe, right? Tom Sharp Wing. You can hear Tom if you go to the best show archive as I said. Earlier at the best show dot net, or you can listen to his new podcasts. With Julie Klausner, it's called double threat. You can get that wherever you get podcasts. Dimension mentioned that I'm getting fat and Tom and I. As I told you earlier about the gift basket from Patent Tom and I just pulled out of the brownies, cookies, and the brittle and the other thing. and. Tom and I became human garbage cans. No one says garbage is good as Tom Sharpen. Now I will attempt some some finger picking. On a loud distorted. Telecast. Okay! Man. Do. Hey, don't forget. Nothing lasts forever, but for some itchy allergy sufferers. It seems like allergies never ends. 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