#127 The Crime Machine, Part I
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I'm with thirty thirty three years old old man. But I feel like I'm a rookie this brand new. If you have a change jobs in feel funny that first month. Oh, etc. That times one hundred, right? Because you have a gun in radios. They seem to a very active area in regards to crime a lot of crime everywhere. What kind of crime you name it? I mean everything. There's robberies rapes. There's larcenies, there's salts, you name it. I mean, whatever's out there. It's out there. The thing that was weird about the job was that patriots bosses didn't really seem to want him to pursue the actual violence series crimes that he saw what they wanted to do instead which just to write summonses summonses are just a tickets. They cops give out for the low level stuff. Misdemeanors. You give a summons to a guy drinking a beer in the street or riding his bike on the sidewalk. There's a lot of pressure right summonses one of the ones that never leave my head was it was overtime, auditory, five and van. You had to you have overtime, but you gotta come back with five summons sums is or get that with explain that later. Well, we're driving around and the scenic guy stops and says, all right, this is one. It's really early in the morning. The streets are almost completely empty. It's part even find a person, let alone somebody doing something wrong. Their bosses pointing at this man who's just standing on the sidewalk alone outside the store. But the van stops some guy jumps out and is one guy in front of don't. Absolutely nothing. They gave him a summons for blocking pedestrian traffic. You know, we would just shake ahead. So what did you give them blocking possession traffic? And they'd start laughing like, oh, wow. All right. So we move on pitcher says the next stop was this Mexican man who's just sitting alone on a stoop. They wrote them up for the exact same thing. Walking pedestrian traffic in this was all night until all of us. Oh four, five advantage. So everyone had five patriots so confused by what had happened that night. He actually went home and looked up the definition of blocking pedestrian traffic. These guys had not been balking pedestrian traffic. This was absurd and pitcher didn't know it, but all over the city. Cops getting pushed in the exact same way too aggressively, right? Summonses to people for doing seemingly nothing. I talked to another cop, this guy in Brooklyn named Edwin Raymond. After the kademi I would run into offices that I was in the kademi with and it'll be, oh, hey, what's up? Are you still at transit? And the third question with without fail, the third question was always, what did they want from you guys over there? That's how much this is part of the culture week to week. The summonses Edwin is being told to write, could change one week. They might want turnstile jumpers another week. They want open containers and they tell them the reason we're having you do this is because when you summons people, it's an opportunity to check if they've warrant if they do, you can arrest them because it means they committed a serious crime. It made sense to him. I I, I felt good because when someone would have a warrant, I felt girls. Okay. You had a warrant until one there was this girl looked like she was ten and she was in Mirus, I arrested someone else with something, but she was in the cells. And I said, you Inder like, what? What are you doing here? So me and my friends who went through the turnstile together. As a was your friend or my friends. She got a summons in their estimates for what? How do you. Sixteen I said, but for what this is going to deter style with your friends like year to Edwin. It didn't make sense of this girl was in jail just for sneaking through a subway turnstile. He asked her, are you sure you're not leaving something out? Did you give the also hard time? No. So as I said, you know, if so, who arresting officer wasn't so you would you get her for? Oh, she she had a warrant. I said, warrant except for what I don't know. Like I don't care. She hasn't warmer. I got my collar, you know, meeting my quota. So Edwin goes back to the girls still just trying to figure out what happened. So I said, did you ever receive a summons to like, what's that? Is it a ticket they gear when on my birthday on her, sixteenth birthday is few months after I said, what happens? I went to the movies with my friend. We walked out in the movie, and it also said, didn't I tell you guys get away from the corner and just gave all of us tickets and as a sixteen year old. The last thing she's thinking about is going to court to handle the ticket. So what had happened was she ignored the summons and the summons had turned into a bench warrant. And once you got a bench warrant, if a cop stopped you, they put you in jail, which made it. I wouldn't feel like wait a minute. Like the whole point of these stops is we're supposed to find bad guys with warrants, not just people who ignored their summonses like what is going on here. That's when they started saying, I gotta look into these warrants. So now when I was stopping folks running their names and doing a little bit of research into the warrants, I said, what the fuck is this? It was some from my colleagues outside of the transit system would just trying to meet their own quotas. So it just it was like suffer PECH waiting everyone in patriot didn't know each other, but they were having the same problem and they were asking their bosses the same question. What is going on here? Why can't we just do normal honest policing and the answer was always the same. The reason all this happening is because a calm staff, this computer program that the NYPD uses to measure every single cop and how them in excruciating detail how to do their job, their boss. Their bosses didn't like COMSAT they, Tom, I know it's not fair, but I have to do a concept says, because if I don't, they'll just punish me so do what you're supposed to do and let me try to protect us. The thing they couldn't figure out why the system existed in the first place. And if all their bosses aided it who liked it, who wanted things to be the way that they were. So a year ago, star transfer this question and it turns out, comes out really just comes from the brain of this one person. A person who was not at all the person is imagining he was idealistic grouchy, smart weirdo with a very complicated brain. His name was Jack maple and the machine that he I is I in twenty five years ago was so different from machine that Pedro and Edwin would encounter Jack's machine was supposed to do nothing less than save the city of New York. And before things got bad, it did. You wanna go down some of these things, and I just talk. Yeah, you know what I mean? I'm beginning put the fucking on the maps. A few years before he died Jackson down with us reporter named Chris Mitchell. You wanted help writing his life story. Everything. You need a little surprised by what? I don't know what I want this year. The writer. I'm just someone that has nothing to do when I write notes of madness. There's over twenty hours of these tapes. And since I found him last year, listen to them over and over again. I have also talked to out of the people who are closest to Jack, trying to understand what it was. He thought he was building. So I have the real story how it started. So I'll tell you. Yeah. This is Bill Courtney. He's retired cop. All right. So I I became a transit cop in one thousand nine hundred three. You just can't understand how bad it was back then. I don't know. Like when you were born eighty five. Okay. When you were five years old, New York City was a horror show. Just keeps on rising. It was just one horrific event after the next city. That's an average at five, six on the sides as a police officer with a gun. I felt like I was victim just living in the city, get up in the morning. I mean, as you got close to getting to work, you Hartwig star pump, you'd start thinking like what? What's going to happen tonight? There was a lawlessness avenue streets things just unfold in front of you as you turn corner and walked right into a robbery. Walked into a guy holding somebody at gunpoint or stabbing right there. Fail shot in the head. This just like mayhem. Johnstone people, screaming and yelling someone come and run around the corner and a woman holding the strap of her purse, which is now gone and Abreu is on a ri- just nonstop craziness. People see, you stop an attracts. Take off running. You take over on an after me. You don't even know why. And you come home and you lock yourself in your apartment and you pray that nothing bad happens to you or your kids. It really was a horrible place to live all day. Every day. Bell showed up to work and just felt the overwhelming feeling that for all the work he did, none of it was really gonna, make a difference. We arrest people for not paying their fares. We'd give out numerous summonses for everything from urinating to disorderly conduct. It meant nothing and nobody knew what to do to to make it better. The only person with any optimism about the situation was Jack maple. Jack was a sergeant in charge of Billy squad. And Jack was convinced that everything wrong with New York City could be fixed. If only they would put Jack maple in charge of it. Jax bosses had a different belief. They believe that Jack was delusional guy walked around like he thought he was a character from a nineteen thirties, detective movie. People were didn't like the way he dressed in like. So Jack warlike spats Bola hat sport coat with baggy pants and shades. And he looked like Edward g. Robinson meets Truman Capote or something. I don't know in the nearest city police department in one thousand nine hundred. Jack was like the equivalent of that kid who just wears a suit to school every day for no reason. And what made us even more ridiculous was a Jack was a transit cop. Transit was its own like dinky department. Basically they were seen as like glorified mall, cops, but Jack actively being a transit cop was the most glamorous job in the world. After work, he'd go to all these extremely high end fancy bars, please we're celebrities went like the oak room at the plaza hotel. Here's Jack with his Hamburg and his spats going out after work amongst these rich people that Jackie's to call Foxton you know, and everybody would always ask, who is that guy? He'd go to the bad news, hey, who is that guy? They thought he was an act or. A producer, whatever. And then people come up to say, who you, he'd always he's his response quite often was my name is WALDO. We'd admire and I get shot out of the cannon at Ringling Brothers, circus. How he gravitated towards police work. I really don't know, but he really wanted to be famous. He really wanted to make his Mark on the world. Meanwhile at work, Jack, was always on the verge of getting fired. The thing was he kept ignoring the fundamental rule of being a transit cop which was just stay in the subways it his mind. He's like, I'm a crimefighter wherever there's crime I must go. And so he was constantly leaving the subway in the tapes I have Jack, he tells Chris favorite place to go when he would leave time square. The hookers afford the, you know, it was still the pimps with those old Arado Cadillacs, the heart going. Doc around here the bar over there on forty eight in each terminal ball. Appropriately named. To even though Jack wasn't specially the subway, keep found this loophole that was letting him do it, which is that there was one hour day his lunch brain where technically he could go wherever he wanted. But the great thing about our day, you know, I was belief into the world. Jackson, that he was getting an education in Times Square. He said he was getting a master's degree in college. He was starting to believe that he could read crime the way like a weatherman can read a weather pattern. I talked to this guy Jimmy Nucifora who worked for Jack. He told me a story about Jack doing this. He was tomorrow Jimmy. We'll work and you and me. I'm like, Jack, it's thanksgiving. He says, yeah, he says plenty of pickpockets out there. He says, well working. So what we would do is on thirty and he told me this on thirty fourth street in Manhattan. He said, it's the eastern most exit in Macy's on thirty fourth street. There's a stairway that goes down into the subway. So during the holidays, everybody's coming out of Macy's and going down into that subway and he said, it creates a bottleneck. So all these people get stuck at the top of the stairs. So he said that is the perfect situation for pickpockets and he was absolutely right. So we would play that fifty foot area there. And every day we would lock up pickpockets there, they will like all over these people like Beeson Honey, stuff like this is why Jimmy and Billy thought that Jack was a genius. But from their bosses perspective, it was like. It's not your job to arrest. People outside the subways donor s people in California, don't arrest people in New Jersey donor s people in Times Square. You are a transit cop, so they transferred him to the Bronx. So he was living in be to entertain the train all the way to the Bronx. That's like a punishment could take you two hours to get to work on the train. This is Bridget O'Connor. She was a transit cop later on she and Jack actually got married. She said that when the department decide to punish Jag in this way, they made a crucial mistake which is that they forgot to get from Howard beach to the Bronx. You get to transfer through Times Square. So when he got off at Times Square, he always made. Once you meet the arrest, then what happens in the US to process it and then you had done in central booking for twelve hours. You know, it was like, that's a whole day. Why don't you make the arrest you're done for the day? And he never made it to the Bronx. He never made it ever was assigned to the Bronx and immune arrest everyday over and over again. Jack, we get transferred to some punishment posts some desolate street corner in the middle of nowhere where they'd tell them just stand there and don't do anything and over and over again, he would ignore them and making arrest, and eventually they give up it just Chuck them back to transit transit was its own punishment. The Siberia under Siberia, Jack call it. Once he spent over a decade down there stuck in the tunnels for the people who believed in him. The tragedy of Jack maple was that he was somebody who could have done something. He'd been this bright young cop youth, a youngest detective in transit, and then it was just like he couldn't help himself. He. Had to pick fights with the bosses. He had to spend every single night going to these fancy bars. He took out nearly thirty thousand dollars in loans against his house just so he keep going to the Okram. It didn't make sense. I talked to this guy, Mike, Daley, Mike was Jack's best friend. He's a reporter and he told me the reason for all of this was this thing that happened to Jack this one night when he was twenty two, the night, Jack almost died. He was at forty second street. Bryant park in a canary yellow jumpsuit with Elton, John sunglasses by drugs and locking up drug deals. And he ended up wrestling for his own gun. With this guy, the guy got a hold a gun and shot twice, Jack's headed close range. He barely missed. They ended up wrestling for it. It went off and the guy got shot. Both of them survived and Jack made the arrest the end of the night. Walking across central park south of cubby with this guy's blood with a muzzle flash burn and each cheek, and he walks past the window to the Oka looks inside and there's all these well to do wealthy people on the other side of the glass. Drinking and laughing, and it looked like a world where nothing bad could have happened. Jack knew if he died that night, he would have just been a dead transit cop for the rest of his life that left him with a lot of sympathy for other people who ended up on their backs, dying unimportant deaths. And he also saw. With the city can off you and what the city should be and how great the city should be and why shouldn't it be great for the people to and why shouldn't other people live like they were on another side of class where nothing bad happened to him in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight after decade in purgatory, Jack caught a tiny break. He got put in charge of this small squad that would investigate repeat offender robberies, the people who are committing tons of in the subway and Jack decided his first target as head of the squad would be this incredibly tricky problem that nobody had been able to solve this thing. The cops called Wolfpack robberies. So here's what was happening. People who rode the subways, we're getting attacked. They're getting attacked by big groups of people a minimum of five, but sometimes as much as twenty or thirty who had just mobbed their victims on the subway, they'd run in in with either just their fists or signs with knives or box cutters. They would just pummel the person to just take everything they had some citizens are carrying weapons to protect themselves. Just in case there's trouble. It's a terrible situation. Things were so bad that the public school chancellor had asked if the police could have special armed subway cars to escort kids to school, the four thousand members of the transit police have been unable to stop this. Jack was going to try to fix it with twenty four cops. Everybody said these attacks were random, but to Jack, they didn't look random because he saw these patterns in who got attacked, like, for instance, Asian people were getting attacked way more than anybody else. He did a victimology study. He found they were four times more likely to get attacked. So Jack came up with the idea of starting a decoy unit and. So we all dressed, like, you know, average everyday people that either get mugged or people that are on the train. The NYPD had actually done decoy units before, but Jack did not like the way they did them. They were borderline entrapment. They'd have like an undercover cop on the train with a twenty dollar Bill hanging out of their pocket. Then they'd arrest the poor guy who tried to take it. But Jackson goal was that he wanted to target the repeat violent offenders, the people who are intentionally targeting the victims who showed up Jack studies. So he said, are decoy should just be like an Asian cop who pretends to be asleep with a nice watch on. We're going to actually have copter us up as every kind of victim that we see show up. So one day he looks at Billy. He said, you'll, you know what he goes. You've got this boyish look to you. He says, Billy, we're going to put you in address. So I was like, well, that's not going to happen. Billy was straight macho cop. He did not want to do this, but that was Jack's point. He told them they're never gonna think you're a cop, don't figure there's no way you'd agree to do it and we'll make my point, what am I waiting Richardson? He'll be like a nerd with coke bottle glasses, and you'll you'll walk together a sit together and everyone's gonna just rob. You like it's, you know, going out of style. So I come in Friday night and they have a wig a bra and some of the things waiting for me. So they stick Billy in the middle of the subway car and then around him, there are a bunch of undercover cops, her dressed to look like random subway, passengers Jack would wear this really ugly playboy bunny sweater, Jimmy would dress up like kind of his idea of what like a punk rocker looked like. And then you know, we would have to get more creative on that train to make people believe that we weren't cops. So we would do things like the backup. We would roll joins right on the train at of Lipton team would use looked tea and roll joints. We would smoke those joints in the last car, the train, you're not supposed to small, but just to make ourselves more believable, we would sell those joins on the train back and forth to each other. That type of thing just to make people believe that these guys ain't no free cops that you would do just to like see more credible? Yeah. We used to have a boombox who'd blast music in there, and it wasn't Frank Sinatra, and some of the the the backups would start dancing in that RIA, car. Other guys perks would get up and they'd start dancing and it's like a party. And that's what it was known as the party car. So the subway doors would open group of perpetrators, walk on looking for somebody to rob and Billy just looking like an easy victim. Somebody would pull out a knife to cut the nNcholas office thrown. It really never took too much time. We interestingly robbed everywhere we went in. Minutes. We, I think we've been robbed like six times in an hour or something like that. But before they can get away this crew of undercover cops jumped on them and arrested them, all it worked over and over again, it worked not just because you're able to lock up a bunch of criminals. But because the tactic itself was so flashy and it engine grabbing that actually sort of advertise to people who would have committed these crimes that it wasn't safe. Somebody who's like a victim actually just be another undercover cop. We'll robberies plummeted from twelve hundred a year down to twelve. And within the department, it was like for the first time, some objects bosses seem to think that maybe he might be smart as he seemed to think he was so credibility in hand, Jack unveils, his actual big idea. The thing that will transform, not only New York City, but the entire world when he tells Billy what he wants them to do. It just sounds like an arts and crafts project. Jack told me listening because I want you to cover this entire office with a piece of paper. I don't know what you gotta do, but I want every single subway station represented in this office. The New York City. Subway had four one hundred thirty subway stations, Jaguar selling Bill. You go draw them all for me. It was a huge in the ass. So it's like, okay, okay. So I kept blowing Jack off and I just thought it was an ominous task to actually have to get up on a chair and tape pieces of paper to a wall representing every single subway station, but he does it. And when he's done, it actually looks. Crazy. It's like they have this tiny office and the walls are covered. It's fifty five feet of paper. And now Jack shows up just holding the crime stats for the subway, like a huge pronounce that has every single recent robbery pages and pages of information on this dot matrix. Ancient printer from seems like a thousand years ago. And when you look at it, just looks like garbage subject tells Bill. What we're going to do today is we're going to create the charts of the future. Here's what I want you to take this like endless spreadsheet of all these different crimes and start putting them on the map. So here's the first one, four AM somebody got mugged with a knife at time square. That'll be like a pink dot, put a pink dot at time square. There's another mugging at six ama- chamber street, put a pink dot chamber street at initially, we would use markers will pens and colored in, and then we just thought it using these different colors sticky dots, and we've put the dot on for the time of day. Had happened, then we'd write the code right in the middle of the Dodd graded even easier. They'd seen crime apps for and every map they'd ever seen had shown them exactly what they already knew. Once a month, you stick a bunch of pins on a map of the neighborhood, and you see there's tons of crime and it's completely overwhelming. But when they all stepped back and looked at what they'd made and they looked at the charts of the future, they saw this map was different. This map, it showed you the subways, the way Jack's brain saw the subways. It was updated every single day with every single crime represented by time. So a bunch of blue dots at Times Square does real pickpockets and in the afternoon, they'd be orange orange dots that we're now down at west fourth street because they've moved downtown. The color coding was huge because I really just spelled it out for you. It's just staring at you. They're telling you, look, there's a problem over be here and it could either be one specific location or could be one train line the whole line. You see going down into and he and one night to him. He they in here. One of the things they'd been wondering about was this huge uptake in personnel things. One hundred more personally than it had that month the year before and these persons things were happening in a way more dangerous way. People were hiding between the trains and grabbing women's purses as train sped through the platform. They're worried somebody who's going to get killed. And when they looked at the charts, they rise, oh, wait a minute. All these new personnel are actually happening on one train line. Not only that the just happen across a few train stations and always nafter noon. So Jesuits all is cops on that one train and they're able to identify suspect. Wait, knock down the door. This motherfucker. I mean, I gotta game. John's from the fire escape. For not the next one. He jumped the next apartment over in down one floor. Jumped on. Now balancing this, the motherfucker gets away. So the guy gets away but not long after that Jacksonville to catch him and in the weeks after that, they see that this whole enormous personnel ching crimewave. It goes away. It was all just the one guy which project confirmed this theory that he'd had, which is that crime was like any other industry. A small percentage of people did most of the work and with the charts Veliki who'd identify the criminal overachievers arrest them and make the city much safer. An unprecedented in subway crime. Thousands of crimes prevented robberies cut three times faster than the citywide robbery rate founding crime in the subway dropped thirty percent in two years, go down into the subway, subway riders in New York. Actually letting passengers off being New York City was as dangerous as it ever been. But the subways were this like, oh, Acis of relative calm. So in one thousand nine hundred eighty, this new police Commissioner takes over the department Bill Bratton and he says to things that are extremely shocking one, he's going to cut crime in the city in half and to his second in command. The guy is going to pull this off is Jack maple. He says, Jack, is going to do what he did for the subways, but for the whole city. After the break, Jack maple personnel city police department. 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This transit Cup comes in and he's more or less running this entrance forming NYPD. What are you? Kidding me? This fat Rican transit competent bowtie. This is Mike daily. Again, people didn't just hate Jack because he was a transit cop bowtie. They also hated him because he was marching around the police department telling everybody they didn't know how to do their jobs. People saw. Welcome to the NYPD the greatest detectives and the world. I said, you guys have been one of the perfect record now what. And I know you don't want to break that record, but I think it's not. I think we want to start to address crime and it's fucking organization is ten years. Nobody transit cop thing jacket learn more than anything was the police department only really tried to solve one kind of crime, press cases, basically stuff that happened to rich people, white people or rich white people, and you could even see this in some of the departments, actual policies, like in Manhattan, they would not investigate a burglary that was under ten thousand dollars. That means that. That means that. Saving stolen from your nobody was going to investigate it. But if Donald Trump and you had a painting taken, we would have thirty cops, and I thought rages saying, if you'll poor when that going to investigate anything. Victims who were poor crime victims who where people of color the crime that happened to them in a million different ways. It was invisible to the police department. Mike says right in the beginning he remembers Jack, actually trying to show him how bad it was. And I was willing was first night he was driving around and they called up rations says, you know anything going on said, all's quiet Commissioner. He goes, how many homicide you got any HAMAs is well. Well, we got to in Brooklyn area about the Bronx. Yeah, we got to there too. Oh, yeah. What about Queen one? What about Manhattan? Well, we got one there too, but it's above one hundred twenty history quiet though. Ios quite commission, Jackson like this is how it happens. The police department doesn't tell you about the crime that they don't think is important, which is a lot of the crime. And he starts to panic as you realize that his boss Bill Bratton does not understand that that's what's going on. So we're about a week and Brenton says to me. Pretty quality, quantity. Fucking, you know, Dodie murders so far. Or should they don't tell you stuck to patents? Do that with commission because police departments hate to change and most police commissioners only last for two years on the job and to all they're going to do is keep the bad news away from him and what Jack wants is to force these people to take every single crime seriously. And so he calls operations back and he says from now on, I want a lot more information from you. Every murder. I said, I wanna every time we we're gonna we hit somebody. They said, you know how many times I should get. He says, nineteen hundred forty, six murders last year. We're in four hundred forty to shoot outs. We had eighty seven people in twenty. Five of them died every time this happens. I want you to page me. Cute. Murder having tonight. They would wake me up here through the clock in the morning. Tell me we had a murder. I liked that. You got to admire that when he first became deputy police Commissioner, he became burying Bob, they never. Usually these people went home at night nine to five. They went home, Jack, was always on call. He would just show up on the scene things like you guys have had dinner. You're going to bed and he's like, I'm gonna go out. He used to do it all the time he'd get up need, be local. There's a homicide tweet. It's only downtown. We'll be back and just get up and go. So late one night Jack's left the house and said, I'm going to a crime scene. He's gone to his favorite bar a lanes. You when you have just enough to drink. Concentrate on one thing. And he sees this thing happened. The thing is actually seen a million times before Elaine always has around the cash register. She always knows at any given minute, are they making as much money as they should be that night? And if not, she's always answering the question. Why not? Are the waiters moving to slowly? Do they need help too. They need to get yelled at like, is there some table that's taking forever in the back? Like is there a hold up in the kitchen? She's floating around the restaurant, pushing everybody to get done what needs to get done. And he realizes that is what I want to have. The police department. I want all the data in my head and want to be able to hold people accountable. Like we're just a tiny family restaurant and he grabs a bar napkin, and he scratches out a plan for exactly how he's going to do this next day. He comes into work, holding the napkin, telling everybody. I've got this new system, his big plan to change the police department, a system that will be called com- step step one every single precinct is going to track every crime that. On a daily basis murders robberies rapes. They have to count everything and they're gonna keep the state out on their own personal charts of the future, which they will share with Jack, couldn't be done man. Wasn't going first couple months, the old guard Hayden, all this one guy actually went over Jack's had complained to Bill Brandon. You have a problem with me. Tell me, wonder, stand, don't get in my way. I said, when you were the this was the murder capital fucking world. You understand. I'm not gonna let that happen here. Now. So why one on the Nevada which started to get it to thing was the data was actually the easy part. The scary part of this whole plan was the meetings, Jackson, all these big shot. She's every single week you are gonna come to me. You're gonna come downtown to one police plaza in the morning. They told them they could make it for nine. He said, I was fine. They show up at seven. These meetings will take place in this enormous room where one by one that she's would have to walk in front of a giant screen that had all of their crime data displayed on it in front of the podium they'd have to stand at was this large U-shaped table where every important person they were scared of with sit and the center of it was Jack, Jack, was the inquisitor. His job was to ask them questions about crime in their neighborhood and ask them what they were doing about it. These conversations went very badly. For instance, early on Jack notice it robberies rep and fifth precinct brought the broke Mandarin. What's going on there. Oh commendable. At me. What more heroin. Really prominent viewing. How did he know that the heroin addicts doing. One guy used to go to these meetings. He said it was like watching a bunch of kings turned into peons. These guys had never been asked a follow up question before. Active investigation that me. Exactly what it'd be. You got up in the morning and went to work. What did we do to catch this guy? That before. I. Good. How much those want him in didn't know. Please chiefs like fifty year old men would fom it in the bathroom for COMSAT meetings. They're trying to find friends in the department who could tip them off to see if they were up next. These guys who lived in neighborhoods where they ran little armies of three hundred men who had to obey every single one of their orders who could never question them about anything. And now they had to go to this other room where they stood in front of a guy in a bowtie surrounded by everybody, they'd ever wanted to impress two hundred of their scariest peers, and they just got their lives nitpicked apart. They got asked the kind of follow questions. You ask somebody on their first day, the job when you're convinced they know nothing and if they couldn't answer those questions, right. They were humiliated and then they were fired. One chief told a reporter if they're going to having these meetings, they should really have guns at the door. People were terrified of Jack. He told this story about berating this cop from narcotics because he found out the guy been ignoring complaints us getting from people who are upset about crack deals that were happening outside of their houses. Were we gotta do something about this. And he said to me, you know, what? Do you wanna make these little level cases? We wanna make the big cagey waiting you with. Walks town. One of these places, what do you? What would you have? Three hundred thousand three fifty. Nice little police department. There are rich, white suburb. Jack was saying, what if tomorrow morning, somebody was selling drugs outside your house and Clarkston think you'd be on to the clocks. On what can cops. You want them arrested in, you don't you understand digits level guys where we put the pig tape and we're going to be done with the big tasting year, you think that would be all right as you children with stepping over crack vials on their way to school. And he said to me, I mean, he was ready. As much as it made everybody hate Jack COMSAT worked the crime rate in New York City. Plunged the city is leading the country in reducing crime. By the end of nineteen ninety four murders down almost twenty percent. It really is like the siege is lifted and they kept learning from the patterns. They found in COMSAT shooting rates highest at eight o'clock right when the cops are switching shifts. Fix that sixty percent of grand larceny just three percents find out why. Heading out on their first patrol of the new year. The officers of Manhattan's midtown, south precinct, hit the streets with a new sense of pride and a new reputation to uphold as keepers of the safest big city in the nation ended ninety five felony crime was down thirty, nine percent. The murder rate had plunged down back to where it was in the early seventies. The biggest drops in homicides came in the neighborhoods to the cops to ignore one reporter wrote if you feel Madison Square Garden with all the would've been dead people who are live simply because maple figured it out computers. Now track every crime committed in the city every day, allowing time as we really don't. This is not some kind of fudging of numbers. This is not a seasonal thing. It's not only statistically recognizable. We can feel it in the sense of the city, the sense of menace. When Commissioner Bratton left New York City in Ninety-six, Jack, followed him out the door. People thought they were geniuses. There are some academics to argue that it wasn't COMSAT to save New York. The crime rate went down for other reasons. Jack come to my office with a big second cash, all your grant money. I love to take a bet on that. For the next two years, Bill Jacklin everywhere across America across the world spreading COMSAT to police departments, people thought of them as revolutionaries. Jack died in two thousand one already. By then some of the problems with this system. It started crop up, but most people hadn't noticed a few years later. It would be clear, the flaw, a great crime-fighting machine. Next time on playoff run. Riposted by me, PJ vote. And this show is produced by truth e- penman Amy FIA, Ben and Donna Marchetti NFL league. 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