S2 E15: The Murder of Tamara Greene
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He remembers seeing Kwami that day. He is ushered in in handcuffs it car with tinted windows. He'll be deposed today. Regarding the two thousand ten Kwami Kilpatrick has resigned as mayor and he's behind bars for lying on the stand about an affair have food we had to bring them food and the father was not there and she swore that she would never if she to crime town. Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is going to jail lied under oath indicate superior was going somewhere if she stays on the straight and narrow course this is pastor Ken Hampton before Tamara Green was an exotic dancer known as strawberry in person. I've ever had the privilege of deposing he was making speeches as if he was still running for office is if the news cameras were still on him. Stories are just getting started. Don't wait a week for the next episode. Listen to all of season two today. Go to crime town V._I._p. Where you can listen in the spotify APP or they did. How did you first meet tomorrow. <hes> think it was like some type of <hes> rear today on the show the murder of Tamara the city of Detroit alleging obstructed the investigation into green's two thousand three shooting death. It's been alleged in the complaint was very simply. You're on your desktop to of questioning former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. Take a look at some video. Patrick was brought here from federal prison in an unmarked strawberry. He was her minister at Grace Bible Chapel. She came up in poverty. They were dirt poor. I mean there were times when they didn't. He looked like you've seen him on the news. <hes> with the exception of the wardrobe change rather than being in a a three piece money. Su He was in a jumpsuit and Tamara got into a new line of work at some point. She recognize that her assets. You know visual visual. Uh Tamara and Tara's had a baby girl but they are already beginning to drift apart. They broke up and to something else and <hes> over a series of knots. <hes> became involved. They time shoes. Hey Crime town listeners. I'm rob one of the crime town. Producers are team spent a year investigating crime and political corruption in Detroit to make season two and let me tell you the I'm Gary Brown versus the city of Detroit Tamara Green. She is known her dancing name. Strawberry in Detroit a huge development. She's want to be a nurse going to school to forgive pre requisites end for nursing in China <hes> <hes> boys to men type of event somewhere. This is terraced Jackson. He met American in the late nineties. I think some some guy was harassed or something like that and I totally along. You know she's obviously gorgeous. <hes> that thing. I invited assets could be a potential tool to help her modest circumstances and she progressed into you know dancing and doing work part-time different places along that line to try to make a better life no but time she'd become upbringing with our daughter. The manoukian mansion scandal involving a stripper who later wound up dead after this young lady Got Keel. The News is chasing me out the she started having a taste for hanging with guys who earned the streets element. She dated drug dealers a lot of guys. You know the things on that line and start making a lot of money doing that. Call me on occasion if she had an issue with the various men and I would speak to her as a father that this needed to be a face to face meeting. If it's if it's that serious we need to meet at a neutral place just in case. She was followed a up had changed. Maria stop being drug dealers more towards <hes> the officials or whatever like that because I could see through ten of off the final call. She called me and said we need to talk. I could tell that there was trauma. There was trauma there and and listen I could discern that <hes> she was afraid she didn't really let me know other than to say that she felt that her her life was in danger. I'm afraid I'm afraid then. I stopped it right there. I said well your mother is the city officials. <hes> soon enough to marry started dancing at high end private parties and she became better taff. You never know what could happen. TAMMY would call a safe place and so we met at a Bible Bookstore Grand River in Greenfield and there we we talk and I look in her eyes. This is Michael Kerns a retired E._M._S. Lieutenant in Detroit. He's a little hard to understand because he had a stroke a few years ago. He's out of state. You need to go right away even then I didn't know how grave the situation loss <music> all these were there said Kwami and his cronies were there. I mentioned the mayor's way. Yes other words speak to his daughter regarding how to handle him again. Pastor Ken Hampton the last couple of weeks of our life. The car you guys has suits only start thinking about was this guy who was that guy and why didn't you tell more people afraid afraid of what can hit connect who else going to medic twelve which is Jefferson hurt article for counter better known as strawberry the question so she got hit kerns saying she told us she was dancing at a party at the Manooghian and she got hit qualities cronies. What does she say she curly hit. Her current says he waited there until two plainclothes. Officers arrived with the events. Did you tell anybody at that time what would happen. Here's your partners she every glimpse and did she tell you her name. tammie green new ways fish placed pick-up some rice rampart. Whatever meal was probably about ten o'clock at night that day. She's asleep picker from my place tomorrow would visit terrace in their daughter and after a while he began noticing that the guys picking in my bed turn on a new era green finished her shift at all stars Topless Club and hooked up with her boyfriend Green <music> one night a few weeks later to marriage ex-boyfriend terrace was with their daughter Ashley. S._N._I.'s stopped at a with an ambulance. You remember the last thing she said you stints. Thank you son help now. She had green was driving. She pulled up here right across the street from the rental property. I don't know if it was pictures of the currency with the car or the name with current says he responded to a call from a gas station. A woman had been assaulted over. I was on she Tom Banu. It was her is. I don't know what's say or do you don't WanNa believe in then so you arrive. There's this woman standing on a payphone seven. Mike would destroy us. Are you Christmas hello and she told us so shoes danced party and Doc Chimera Green guided the C. I waited mm-hmm pain. Green was hit the car still and Dr rolled across outer drive and came to rest in the middle of the next block dealer. He was in the passenger seat that night but he survived. There was a female chat kill fusion by who was in to how do you tell it to I didn't I didn't know what to say. <hes> two thousand three at first. Detroit police had assumed that Tamara was the unintended victim of a drive by shooting her boyfriend at the time was a known drug and then I looked at him and I looked at the the gentleman with him. It was obvious bodyguard. I thought to myself now who comes to a funeral lieutenant named Alvin Bowman. One of the sergeants came to me and informed me verbally that this person when the sergeant brought me the case file evidence was missing reports service. Pastor Hampton stood by as the guests paid their respects. I was standing comforting front of the casket with her mother being in a wheelchair Brinda. I have two cameras running. We're taping everything. She could hardly sit still code that that I know to marine was the hundred and thirteenth person murdered in Detroit in two <hes> so they give you buddy butterfat classes every all the time be quiet. We're running tapes and we'll turn those tapes and the proper sources. Kennedy a forty caliber bullet the same caliber used in the Glock pistols issued to Detroit police officers blacks were not popular during that time may have had some ties at a party that involve the mayor and I started bring me the file now go over and that's what I did domicied into the assistant chief of police because I just assume that the police will do their job and I think it's was missing and they were all stored in a general area where it was assessable anybody that worked there. Most people in Detroit used like Smith and Wesson nine millimeter <hes> a coat nine millimeter. There was another thing that piece Lieutenant Bowman's interest tomorrow was killed by uh near a lot of this bureaus of their peers were present to marry. Green's funeral was held at grace it with bullets her body car. That's the substance of it in a nutshell eventually to marines case came across the desk of a Homicide Bible Chapel Pastor. Ken Hampton led the service. You remember what versus you quoted so many verses Mark Aw with a bodyguard except someone has something know something or been involved in something with this matter concede their life forces come out of them. You know Souza's crushed Santa Claus die. You see life. Come out of a key say some in you would've never done this to hurry after the service Mark Eight thirty six what Chile profit man if he gains the world and loses so so what if you gain the whole world even if you did the so what does that tell you they were missing. I couldn't point to who did it. Because of the accessibility ruger something like that the jury the blacks in his town were issued by the police depart and Brenda said past Hampton passed and that's one of the guys that just beat me up. I said shoot quiet three days until our daughter would have happened because why not want the question. Make sure that there's no confusion alone. So what difference does that make when you die here because Lieutenant Bowman also believed there were inconsistencies in the number of shell casings recovered at the scene twelve were recovered officers were saying that they were more more than twelve showcases can fly almost anywhere we would not have known if every single one on the shell casings were recovered everything and then reloaded this led lieutenant bowman to believe that the killers were targeting Tamara Green and that they had fired so many times to make sure they finish the job a clip one in the chamber so you got fifteen so some people are saying well with the number shell casings. They had to have discharged nefarious this episode of crime town. You can secure your house apartment or business with protection. You can trust to get started. Good at simplisafe dot com slash crime town that simplisafe dot com old is named Teddy. He's super cute. He's pretty good sleeper but he sleeps seven P._M. To Six A._M. Some early riser these days so it's very important case. Lieutenant Bowman started telling his colleagues about his suspicions and then this happened when Serge's called me on. How owning dummies do you want to give him a shot. I'll try anything few hours of extra sleep. If you're also looking for some help falling asleep give nature made melatonin dummies at try to learn more. I like having your own personal security guard. You can even control your system from your phone. You can check in on your home. Whenever wherever with simply safe town is brought to you by simply safe simplisafe is an award winning home security system. That's designed to keep your home safe. simplisafe uses video audio and motion sensors formation out of if <hes> if you're not part of the team so I felt that <hes> the interest was not in solving the case to detect intruders with their precision engineered motion sensors they can detect the unique heat signature of humans. You won't be getting any false. Alarms from dogs cats squirrels and he suspected that the killers may have been cops. Cops are tight group to break their hard to really drive or push to get information. Go to nature made DOT COM. Hey Crime town listeners. This is rob and this is John Produces of crime town and you're listening to crime down season slash crime town. This episode of crime town is brought to you by nature made. If you're anything like US crime town producers you could probably use a few more hours of sleep. It's pretty and more importantly why the mayor of it seemed incredible to be sure but there were all too many coincidences for this not to be achieve called and said you were transfer. You know it was about that case as it yeah yeah. I had to pack up everything clean my best out lieutenant L Bowman up thirty one year veteran was pulled out of homicide and put on a midnight shift at the second precinct. I was informed the very first season to put a lot into investigating Detroit's complicated relationship with crime and political corruption and our reporting took us places. We didn't expect very late in the studio right now and here's one of our hosts Zach. I heard your sleep kind of tricky lately. <hes> what's going on. <hes> I have a young son who's twenty months old in fact there was that one time John that you had that particularly tense meeting scheduled with a local legend kind of in Detroit right and he was really difficult into is available right now on spotify listen to how it all turned out go to crime town dot V._I._p. Where you can listen to spotify APP or on your desktop important for me around ten ten thirty get to sleep the only time I'm GonNa get well so I have something that might be able to help a little bit Zach. These are some nature made Melatonin Sir <hes>. You've been try answering so what I don't know what happened. In the executive deputy the green family. We're interested in getting answers answers that the mayor has seen to the family of tomorrow's ranging tonight our quest to find out who killed Tammie Green Lieutenant Bowman concluded that the number of shell casings at the scene was closer to eighteen a glacken hove fourteen rounds in well because he was always bisciste that we were the F._B._i. Or cops or that we met him harm in some way and he had a lot of secrets that he just uh it's easy to suggest that this is all. I didn't want to share with anyone right but he had agreed to meet at his house in his lair and like you showed up and you were just sorta like it someone's home but it all worked up fun in the end yeah at all like that but you don't have to go outside your comfort zone to hear. Detroit's best crime stories all of crime town season first day that apparently I have been asking too many questions about strawberry case Germany when you to our guests this morning on flashpoint thanks for coming. Thanks for having been done. Let's start with a few years later attorney. Who you heard at the top of the show began representing to marry. It was a little nerve wracking because you're like. I don't know how this guy's GonNa react because you've said you said if you if you mess up you slip up we're going to get you which is not the kind of thing you want to hear before you go into urban legend as it's been called but there's a lot of things you can't run away from from the time he took on the Tamara Green Case Attorney Norman you. Touma had his doubts about the official narrative of her murder. Tammy was killed. There's no arguing that she was shot repeatedly by forty caliber weapon. There's no getting around the fact that this happened so in testimony the magistrate Judge Waylon issues a scathing opinion destroying this city Detroit end their lawyers for they're clear and obvious destruction of evidence sanctions them for something you approaching two hundred thousand dollars before the ink is dry on whether this will go to trial back you guys so after discovery after depositions after all these affidavit after all this sworn magistrate. Whelan's order sanctioning the city for Destroying Evidence Judge Rosen than dismisses the case for lack of evidence the toomas looking for some smoking guns in the form of emails from one Kwami Kilpatrick he hopes can shed some light on the way the handle that murder investigation back in two thousand three in two thousand ten youtube began to Subpoena City Hall insiders. That's when he deposed collation. Its Humus suspects. The computer and the records were destroyed deliberately. He wants the judge to order sanctions against the city Detroit. Fasten your seatbelts under the alias of a Detroit police officer who also had a job as a dancer and together with the testimony of nine different folks on the Detroit's payroll if became clear to US leded out of the inbox and then deleted out of the delete folder so with significant intent. Everyone tried to remove any trace of any communication or file related destroying evidence the other mouthpiece dismisses our case for lack of evidence lack of evidence that his magistrate just sanction them for Party Youtube have found a few witnesses who thought they knew why Tim you all timidly ended up being admitted to the hospital <music> the very same court speaking through two different mouthpieces one of them sanctioned to city for willfully destroying <music> incredible now one hundred and two pages handed down late this afternoon telling the children of Dancer Tamara Green that there will be no trial now in one of the first thing we did of course was compile our discovery we may document requests for all of the information that we subsequently found out was destroyed or missing without explanation so all that remains now is who so you. Touma started digging for evidence attorney norm you hearing from all the lawyers. The judge said there's some tough legal issues here. He's got a lot to think about and it's going to be some time. Maybe days weeks or even months before. A decision comes down if this is just a random drug shooting. Why is the mayor so engaged in covering this up. Why are they such such a vested interest destroying. It was the final nail in the coffin on this investigation. Why kwami kilpatrick deleted emails were routinely purged from the city of Detroit's computer server after seven days. They're gone forever and they were all missing. They were deleted. That's all we had left for witnesses. Sworn testimony you to begin to collect sworn statements he interviewed people like Lieutenant Albumin and the Tammie Green's assault or her murder. Only it became clear to us. We couldn't get any documents. Everything is inexplicably gone. Including even the computers themselves have been thrown away emails had been deleted. We were just getting too close. The thing is there's someone else who's who's also spent a lot of time investigating this case who doesn't quite see things the way. Norman you to me does is just a Lotta Bullshit. This is Detroit. This is not Hollywood a supervisor Michael Kerns and although there was no record of anyone named Tamara Green being admitted to the hospital in the fall of two thousand to around the time of the rumored Manooghian Mansion Tryst Wise Kamikaze Patrick working so hard to keep boss or anybody else from finding out who killed Tammie Green only because they've got something to hide kwami Kilpatrick who arrived at the courthouse from prison he also subpoenaed commies Father Bernard Kilpatrick. There's no reason for me to be here. And what would you say to people that Detroit about us that she was taken to the hospital admitted under a false name. Everybody was cleared out of the hospital. Records were destroyed any sort of party and the murder of the nothing. There's no there's no there was no party absolutely was no park. My son is in jail for absolute flip onto for Adamson six. He's he's in jail for. There's a lot of hate out here. At the end of the day after the now became a member in two thousand eight detective Carlisle and a cold case squad reopened the Tamara Green murder case this is retired Detroit. Police Detective Might Carlisle you mentioned briefly in a previous episode Detroit. Police Department oxide section decided to form a cold case what this is a true detective. Carlisle interviewed people like Michael Kerns the supervisor and decided their testimony wasn't credible his was one of the ones that were not useful <unk> each folder while was relevant what was useful and what was not useful anymore this rumor. This is a rower. This is a true this parts through this collected. This didn't occur in a house run. The grass and the lawn earn a wooded area. This occurred on a paved street. Casings were collected casings. Were there on the street perspective. You know if sometimes people can see the same thing but in different ways three there were twelve if he can prove there is eighteen. I'd like to shake his hand but he's not going to because he doesn't have the proof I mean and where Lieutenant Bowman get the idea that more than twelve bullets had been fired so I don't remember exactly <hes> and you could be watching the football game sitting right next to each other. You're going to see one thing from your perspective and you're going to see some now from your also develops doubts about the original investigators. I don't understand their reasonings but for whatever reason they snowballed on investigation they slow to a crawl and really didn't do casings had the glock imprint on them okay. There's a lab report. Obviously Bovina read it. They were able to determine on the casing by the one key piece of evidence in the file was the ballistics report. Remember to Mara's killer had used a forty will he describes a completely different woman and Tamara Green. You've tried to interview people on a case. That's fifteen years old. There's been so many theories put in the newspaper on TV. People are going to be slow mixed up about what the actual facts are and detective Carlisle also Asia for Glock yeah they they would have had to yeah and he also said that the casings mm-hmm. Detective Carlisle is convinced that Americans murder had nothing to do with kwami kilpatrick or a <music>. I was in <hes> what they call. S Squads special assignment squad. We were the top I'm aside squad for. You're saying some of your officers were saying when they went to the scene. Initially they saw something like eighteen shelf facings but then by the time they were bagging tag actor and that's only if our lease on that they were forty caliber. Yes that's correct but they were not from a Glock manufactured handgun <hes> well. I read that you you you. Ed's made a statement about sixteen eighteen. Shell casings or something so anything on this investigation. What did you make of those claims of missing evidence. They were completely false completely false. You're assigned so the first thing I did took the entire file all the information and all those files started going through but he wasn't it turns out though that detective Carlisle does believe there's some truth to the rumor about a party at the manoogin mansion in the fall of two thousand two caliber weapon because Detroit police used forty caliber glocks Lieutenant Bowman suspected the killer may have been a cop well because if you look at the showcasing on party at the mayor's mansion instead he believes the intended target was her boyfriend a drug dealer who is in the car with her at the time the Mara Green the bottom line. There's only twelve no nobody's really doing it. Real count twelve casings were collected bag. Bill had their signature on it and it'll say forty it'll save forty caliber and GLAC would have like like achieve I to squad you have access to every homicide foul that dates back two days during prohibition. They're still on file. Okay all right the city Detroit. I left <hes> work one night route seventy. Even I got a call from my achieve the mets for Black Smith and Wesson you look at the bottom of the shell casing of Assay S&W so these shelf facings have the I sergeant my squad leader Special Science Squad and say listen. We gotta run to the mayor's mansion. We've got an officer injured. I think it a firing pin imprint that was not fired from the lab board states that this the forty caliber casings are not from Glock is from another manufacturer. Mine was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's all this comes down to f the mayor was involved at <unk> pair handcuffs on that man for what he did to the Detroit wait to <hes> the mayor's mansion on the riverfront of the Detroit River. I got a call surging and he goes. We've been canceled. He says you can turn around. I said what was it about. He goes don't worry about was just a gathering of just a few for instance and things got out of control. Whatever I don't know what the circumstances are to like get to the scene well halfway. They're designed to support your sleep so you can wake up ready to take on the day to learn more go to nature made dot com years later. Detective Carlisle began investigating two Marines murder and he came to suspect that there was an exotic dancer who performed at the events additional mixing by Bobby Lord our theme song is politicians in my eyes by death our credit music. This week is nasty ain't it by fat cat signed by James Cabrera andalise Harvard. We made a spotify playlist featuring music from the show and songs that have inspired us this season. Check it out at crime town music original music this season composed by homer Stein Weiss. We recorded some original music at Rustbelt Studios in Detroit in partnership with Detroit South Conservancy special thanks to aw archival research by Brennan Race Archival Material Courtesy of the Walter p Reuther Library at Wayne State University and W X._Y._Z. Show are designed. We're mayor walked out of prison. After bear hugs with his brother-in-law kwami kilpatrick made his way to a waiting Cadillac escalade once his stylish vehicle of choice dot com thanks to the Detroit Free Press Peter Bhatia Jim Shafer. Mary schrader Melanie Maxwell. We're looking very specifically for information that leads to an arrest of the killer that's it. We're not trying to prove a civil case anymore. We're trying while Mary Wallace Elizabeth Clements Max White Randy Lundquist Eric Hetherington at Dandy Video Charlie off Devon's Gillian Melissa Sampson Kilpatrick had weathered allegations that he was involved in a murder so what was next just after six o'clock this morning Detroit's former and <hes> it the rumours spread from there the media exploited that and it just it just went out of control and that's all it was third Pontiac and marks Merlin fact checking by Jennifer Blackman. This episode was mixed sound design and scored by Kenny Kuzak original Manooghian mansion and got injured but it wasn't Tamara Green up a two and two together able to find out that the officer that was injured at the museum. Uh No one has ever been prosecuted for the killing of Tamara Green. Detective Carlisle has a suspect but not enough evidence for an indictment the rumors surrounding tomorrow's or on your desktop. 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If you don't want to wait a week for the next episode head on over to spotify go to crime town Dodd V._I._p. Slash Binge to listen to all of season two right now in the spotify APP Constantino Zack Rosen and everyone who shared their stories with US Detroit's an amazing place and we're honored to tell a small part of its story the indexed Pontiac this season is made in partnership with Gimblett media and spotify. This episode was produced by John White Samantha Leigh Sarah Shockley and me what is this is. Just go back on. I'll see you tomorrow at work. The thought I finally get a chance to go home and have dinner with my family at us. Why didn't think a thing about it when he ran the city. That's next time on crime town now. Daily Crime Town is marks Merlin Rob Zip go. The senior producer is drew. Now feels editing by Zach stirred again that night prior to being a police officer was a female stripper. A female please saucer get knocked in the head that female who did the lab Carlton Goals and Marie Spur on ahead heard wade connect US additional music by John Cusack Kenny Kuzak and John. I haven't to get the guy coughed. Head tammy killed Dan.