Sept. 3, 2019: Searching For A Meteorite In Lake Michigan; Making The Most Of Tomatoes
This message comes from here and now sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash n._p._r. Podcast from n._p._r. And w._b. Oh you are. I'm jeremy hobson. I'm robin young. It's here now and we're keeping an eye on hurricane doria. Who's i is now about sixty to one hundred miles off the coast of florida. The outer bands ends lashing coastal waters but it's also continuing to snail like crawl across the bahamas with devastating impacts at least five people have now died there. Eugene in duffy is managing editor of the tribune the daily national newspaper of the bahamas. He's based in nassau eugene. Were reminded that the bahamas are actually seven hundred islands. It's been so difficult to reach people further out. Give us a sense of what's going on with this storm so stuck. The thing to remember about the home is where the length of california where where i am in the capital nestle about one hundred and fifty miles south of where jewelry and hits on sunday in nestle <hes> suffering forty fifty mile an hour winds. We've been without power across most of the island here since yesterday that this is nothing compared eh well. It's been going on in the other car grand bahama islands with populations totalling seventy five thousand people. There's no power. A lot of houses have been flooded out to the level of the oprah bedroom windows. There are thousands of people literally wandering around in waist wii tidewater looking for shelter looking to get to higher ground which lhota these islands isn't there well. This is where the five deaths were reported. The abaco islands and you know you mentioned water up to the windows water of to the addicts i mean people are calling it the katrina of the bahamas and remember that as we have one of the most prominent things people were forced into their addicts by water and then a horror they couldn't get out now people have access in their addicts but is is that what you're fearing is happening in in parts of the bahamas looking at this here. It reminds me more of this. Nami japan <hes> the water literally has just rolled over these islands that were a public shelters setup hurricane centers for people to go to unfortunately as you see in the states and all the government says get out. There's a hurricane coming and people choose to remain behind the whole now is is to see other already more victims of this. I mean the spin so little access because there's no five nine who the internet services down at the moment what we're getting is coming from the early stages of the relief operation in which the u._s. has already started the helpless realized realized coastguards already on scene <hes> they helicopter in the number of people out yesterday <hes> there's one community on albacore population about two thousand. I do how you shouldn't migrants. They live pretty much to a mind in wooden shacks. That community isn't that now. It's just flat wasteland wasteland. There's nothing we pray for them. <hes> community it's gone and you don't know where the two thousand people are. Komo suggesting the death toll is gonna be anywhere like that. You know people have been able to move around but from what we're saying. There is a deep deep. Keep silent fair that for five possibly read a lot more hope. We're on <hes>. We'll say the next three or four days is the main rescue corporation guests into gear terrible terrible situation and yet we see these glimmers and they're coming from some of the same sources as they have in the past the great chef jose andres and his team is there. He's not on the ground. Yes <hes> fingers crossed when he's operation gets going towards the end of the we can do as much for these inches dating puerto rico fantastic f- <hes> he did that and we need more of the same and you know there'd be various charities parities websites where you can tonight and try and help these unfortunate people because what does what did the bahamas do now. We know they were a british. Colony became a commonwealth commonwealth independent in the seventies but isn't the main industry tourism and it sounds as if i've been here <hes> coming on three years now and and unfortunately for one of the islands grand bahama it was devastated by hurricane massey about three years ago <hes> and it has not normal recovered its population as mostly moved out. There's no industry that left. There's one joint shipyard services. The cruise ships from around the world but its tourist industry died situation. The length and breadth of the bahamas is through the hurricane season. You will lead eight free playing a hurricane lottery grand bahama as we speak. It's probably sixty miles long off of it is on the water downtown. Freeport aw is under three feet of water hospitals schools shops hotels. Everything is under the water using duffy managing editor of the tribune the daily national newspaper in the bahamas the largest paper there reminding us the bahamas the length of california eugene. We thank you so much and wish you all the best. Thank you very much. We'll british prime. Minister boris johnson faces a brexit showdown today as parliament reconvenes after a summer break lawmakers are expected to vote on a bill that would stop the united kingdom from leaving the european union without a deal on october thirty first with johnson says he would do there are already indications educations. He may lose that vote. He's lost his one seat majority in parliament with the defection today of a conservative member joining us now is bbc political correspondent rob watson and he's at westminster rob. We hear the protesters behind you but set the scene for us today. How important is this day extremely important dam and i. I would argue that this is one of the most important weeks in british politics since one thousand forty five since the end of the second world war regular listeners will know jeremy that often say that this is the most is profound political crisis. Britain has experienced since the end of the war and what's at stake right. Now i think is first of all the future of brexit they'll be votes on that a bit later we can discuss that it's also about britain's constitutional arrangements who who's going to be governing the country because their wealth may well be a general election action in the all fake and lastly. I think it's about one of the major british potent political parties the conservative party what does its future as it suddenly going to become a sort of right wing pro brexit parts yours at gains remain abroad church. Absolutely everything that you can imagine is at stake had jeremy okay well. Let's talk about what lawmakers are trying to do today some lawmakers they want to make it basically impossible for the prime minister to crash out of the e._u. With no deal on on october thirty first the essentially a coalition. It's been called a sort of rebel alliance liken to star wars. That's been fancifully live but they are a rebel. Alliance of opposition m._p.'s some from the governing conservative party who essentially want to pass a law saying look if the if the u._k. Government hasn't reached an agreement demint the european union about an older -ly brexit by nineteen th of october we would delay brexit until the end of january of twenty twenty cancelled until next year now. It seems most likely that they will they will win. They will win this vote when it comes but then we get the next big question that i mentioned as okay why happens next how boris johnson has said he will not in any circumstances ask for the the european union for delay to brexit and a staffel saying what i would want wants as a snap general action and then the question would become well is he really serious about vines and opposition participate right brilliant. We'll see you there. Yeah well and there's a question about that too. I've been watching over the weekend that jeremy corbyn. The leader of the labour party has sort of been saying yeah okay. Let's have an election but some other people in the labor party say no. We're gonna fall into boris johnson's trap. If we say yes to general election yes that's right for a couple cla reasons so yes. The labor party wants an election but some around the one that boris johnson could say okay. We'll have an election on. Let's say october. The fourteen i think the data that's been mentioned but that event with event changes the date until just after brexit so sort of so brexit what actually happened during an election action campaign and the and the labor party doesn't want that at all and of course some labor politicians have a different problem that problem is jeremy corbyn and night is that they are on the wire. That's if there wasn't election now. The labor party would lose it because mr coleman is polarizing a figure as boris johnson johnson. They are a long long way behind in the opinion polls rob. A lot has to happen just this week because parliament is about to be suspended by the order of the queen on the request of boris johnson. Yes absolutely that's the sort of there. There are two reasons for the sense of urgency urgency number one that parliament is absolutely is about to be suspended for the party conferences and obviously because the government wants to avoid scrutiny over brexit and because of course the the looming deadline of britain leaving on the european union on the thirty first of october and it's worth reminding everybody that look if nothing else happens the default position is that britain leaves the european union at the end of october with all without the deal. I throw something else into help. Everybody understand what on earth is going on. You need to know jeremy that the people who now run the government they either actually believe in brexit all the politicians who think that that very survival depends on brexit being delivered whether or not has sort of bad economic shocks. I'll leave everybody to guess which politicians fall into which category but these people people are deadly deadly serious about brexit and of course there are another group of politicians or deadly deadly serious about stopping no deal and if you ask asked me well how does all this fall out my prediction would be i think m._p.'s will succeed today and beginning the process of trying to rule out and no deal brexit all over the thirty first but what will happen in terms of the showdown over election i simply don't know and so i just urged people to keep listening to you and and into you and me listening to you that's b._b._c.'s political correspondent rob watson at westminster in london rob. Thanks always thank you <music> <music>. There's a hearing in a texas courtroom tomorrow in a case accusing i._b._m. Of age discrimination laying laying off older workers simply because of their age one of a number of similar cases against the i._t. Company last year propublica and mother jones did a deep report concluding thing that i b m has laid off more than twenty thousand workers over forty. That's about sixty percent of the company's job cuts and the reports cited damning quotes from the companies these consulting arms that called older workers grey hairs and old ed's in one lawsuit against ibm. The plaintiffs said company researchers called baby boomers on in collaborative technologically unsophisticated and the plaintiffs claimed that they were shown the door in droves. Peter gosselin was one of the reporters on that story. He's a contributing contributing reporter at propublica peter. Welcome thank you and people might be saying right now. Wait a second. Isn't that against the law. So let's start there isn't that against against the law <hes> over fifty years ago congress passed the age discrimination employment act except for few exceptions like physical qualification. You can't discriminate based on age but what it's hard to prove. It's certainly hard to prove. I think <hes> the way you think about this. In terms of the law is that <hes> any normal person reading about about these what's happened to many of the people i've written about which say that's age discrimination and if the law doesn't make it illegal then that's on the law the law has been <hes> gutted over the last twenty five years and so it's well-nigh impossible to prove age discrimination now well some of the propublica findings that you you were behind about i._b._m. You say i._b._m. Denied older workers information. The law says they need in order to decide whether they've been victims of age bias require required them to sign right away whether they wanted to go to court targeted people for layoffs and firings with techniques that tilted against older workers even when the company rated them high performers immerse the money saving the departures went to hiring young replacements. What were some of the other things that you found in your research that i._b._m. Did i think the big finding here is that when you start trying to figure out how many people are affected you got to look closely at was that retirement really voluntary voluntary and knowing what the law requires retirements to be or was it forced on them be forced. Tell us how we couldn't be <hes> involuntary. It's pretty simple i._b._m. Told people who are <hes> fifty five and older many of their older workers who they decided to <hes> to lay off that they were retiring and many of these people many of the people we talked to said no. I'm not retiring. You're laying me off and ibm said no. You're retiring hiring now. That counts for something because another things if you're retiring you don't get unemployment benefits so <hes> people fought this but not successfully well. We'll get to more of the cases as you say it. You just sits on the important. We're not talking about the elderly here. We're talking about people over forty over fifty that's right. I think one of the reasons is important is that people over forty and fifty but younger than for example. My age of late sixties ineffective stranded. We don't have a lot of social safety nets for people who get laid off when they're fifty years old and many of these people end up being out of work for extremely long times and many of them eat through a lot of the retirement tyrant savings the very things that were expected to have for when we do get to be sixty five so that they're they're kind of stranded in the middle. It makes a mess of people's financial lives and under personal lives but also if you're thirty. Let's say or forty and you're listening to this and thinking well. That's not me will it sort of is in ten years so we want to lay the the groundwork here and go to the case in austin. What are the allegations in that case against i._b._m. <hes> the allegations this is a case in the federal district court in austin austin of top level sales person for one of i._b._m.'s products was told <hes> he was resigning prepatory to retirement and he has said <hes> nothing of the sort of that <hes> he was laid off and the hearing tomorrow is about whether or not <hes> i._b._m. C. go johnny remedy can be deposed on this subject. He you cite in your political reporting many of i._b._m.'s own words from confidential documents and and one for instance talks about the company having a strategy to correct seniority mix meaning. They wanted more millennials than active campaign to get millennials just taking taking i._b._m.'s position for a moment if a company feels that we are a technology company and this is a time of changing technology analogy. We want younger people in who are more comfortable with new technology. What is wrong with that well. Let's let's try to things one. One is this issue of being comfortable technology. There are lots of images that the young are better at technology and they may be about certain kinds of technology and they're not about others so there is the we have to watch assumptions about technological capabilities. One of the things that i showed in we showed in this story is that people who i._b._m. Rated as very competent technologically and in doing their jobs were not protected at all from layoff the fact of their competence and i._b._m.'s own labeling of them as competent wasn't any protection. I'm going to also add that. One of your findings was that older older employees who were being laid off and told that their skills were out of date within almost immediately brought back as contract workers for lower pay. That's right and look the other thing had to say about this is there are ways to <hes> change your workforce. They may be a little slower than <hes> mass layoff <hes> but they are fair and <hes> as is my co author arianna tobin said in another context. Here's the thing about age. It happens to all of us and so that the person who's thirty or thirty five and saying hey. That's not me that as you said before. It's not you've now but it is you in ten years or five years so you should be interested in fairness here because it's going to come back to bite you if you're not wouldn't i._b._m. Say about these accusations. They say they're very proud of their record of diversity and inclusion and in fact i._b._m. Has a long history of particularly on rays of being liberal and being progressive. What's amazing about this is is that if you look at it the one thing that's left out his age <hes> and look robin. Can i just say one other thing about this. You could think that i._b._m. Was a one off but one of the other projects we tackled was to ask the question why i._b._m. One off or is this widespread and there's really strong long evidence that ages commission dumping out fifty year old. There's an older <hes> is very widespread in the american labor market today and the companies. Maybe maybe saying it's because they want fresher thinking they want more and more there. They may be saying more technologically adept people but is it. What about money. Yes look critique against older. People goes something like this. We cost more because of healthcare and were cognitively diminished diminished. There's something to the fact of people cost more of because of healthcare by the way so do women in their thirties who are having children and we would wouldn't want policy that says if you get pregnant you get dumped and as for cognitive <hes> diminishment. I just think we're working with very very old. Notions of what cognitive ability is we're leaving something like thirty years longer than we were. Generation are generated two generations ago. Oh and we are leaving healthy for thirty years longer and so the critique is old. This is personal for you. You were laid off a few years back. It was a startup. Just your personal understanding of what happens. Well look. This is personal to me. I was laid off. I'm a single father of twins ends and i was laid off in the very week. They started college and i thought i'd be out for a couple of weeks. A couple of months. I was out fifteen months which did nothing in pretty to our finances. The perspective of being both older and laid off and having kids were twenty two and just starting out in the labor market and facing using a world a decade of internships and one year contract gigs is that you get a perspective of what's happening at both ends of the age age spectrum in this united states labor market and what you're watching the fraying of the employer employee relationship which we've counted on to keep the society together certainly during the postwar period well h- just real brief peter gosling i mean is this a time that has passed. I mean one of the things you right about. Propublica is all the ibm are said to you this we were in for life. This is what we thought but is that a delusion. Now i mean that's just not the way the workforce works anymore. It's not the way the workforce works right now. As a society we have to ask if we wanna have this other other different way of <hes> of working where it is all a transactional. It is all temporary. It's all side hustles and i. I think that the answer is if we really imagined what it would be like to have that kind of world. We wouldn't want that kind of world and we wouldn't afford that. What kind of world because one of the things that means is that you can't depend on the employer so you're gonna have to depend on government programs to give people the tide me over to get between one gig jig and the next gig and i don't think we're ready to do that. Well you remind us of the other thing that happens when again we're not talking about the elderly when forty fifty year olds <unk> are laid off that's exactly when they are putting kids through college and exactly when they need that income the most and exactly when they're saving for what they're now told is their responsibility which is to finance their own retirements and refinance retirements that are much longer because we're living longer <hes> so i think one of the most tragic things we found in the story is that people just went zooming through their retirement savings <hes> to just try to keep the kids in college and them with food and a a roof over their head. Peter gosling contributing reporter at propublica senior fellow at hunter college is brookdale center on aging peter. Thank you so much thank you and we asked ibm for a statement they told us i._b._m. Makes its employment decisions based on skills not age and invest in skills and retraining to make all of a successful in this new era of technology so thoughts. Have you seen hey discrimination. Firsthand may be legal but do you think it's fair. In february twenty seventeen seventeen the american meteor society got hundreds of reports from people across illinois and wisconsin of a green streak blazing across the sky. It was a meteorite right careening into lake michigan and ever since scientists have been looking for its remains in the bottom of lake. One of them is mark hammerton. Astronomer at chicago's adler planetarium chief scientists on the aquarius project emission defined this meteorite mark. Why are you looking for this. Meteorite in particular will meteorites number number. One in general are scientifically interesting. They contain remnants of the formation of our solar system. We can't get that information anywhere else so in general they're interesting this one in particular we have video out of evidence from several different angles which allowed me to reconstruct the orbit orbit of this meteorite. That's only been done for a couple dozen meteorites. Do you have any sense of how big it would be. If you were to find it well all the pieces are probably very small and larger pieces. Maybe the size of a fist will be scattered few and far between so really really focusing on finding the smaller pieces uses piece is maybe penny size in the bottom of lake michigan in the bottom of lake michigan two hundred feet down. How in the world do you <unk> even think about doing that well. At first we thought maybe we could send down remotely operated vehicle. You know something with cameras and go hunt around but you know running through the numbers. Even the small pieces are going to be scattered very far apart so that didn't sound like a good option and then we just kinda started brainstorming and thought well i'm he we could send down a magnetic sled the vast majority of meteorites contain little bits of iron and so they respond to magnets so that's how the idea of the aquarius project meteorites led was born. What are you hoping to learn once you find it if you find it well. There are a couple of different things number. One is just studying how meteorites weather underwater and just proving the concept that this is a way to recover meteorites world is covered with you know three quarters of its surface with oceans so if we can find meteorites underwater then that opens up a new realm of discovery and regardless of whether you find pieces of this meteorite under lake michigan you also are hoping to learn a little bit about the lake because we actually know surprisingly little about the bottom of lake michigan yeah it was that was a big surprise to us. When we started this project we figured things would be mapped out in great detail and we'd know what the bottom some of the lake look like whether it was smooth sediments or rocky but it turns out that that was unknown especially in this area so when we first sent down the sled and in had a camera attached to it this was terra incognita and we saw what really surprised a surprise marine biologist was pretty much every free inch of the surface or the the sediments there was carpeted with muscles and every every place that we sent down the sled we saw the same kind of thing thing invasive quad muscles will maybe there munching on some media right now you know they may very they like sticking onto things so sometimes sometimes we pick up little bits of metal little bits of magnetic stone with muscles attached to them that mark cameron who is an astronomer at chicago's adler planetarium chief scientists on this aquarius project which is looking underneath lake michigan for pieces of a meteorite that went down there in two thousand seventeen mark good luck and thanks so much for joining us thank you so much could be here <music> according to recent reporting for all the talk of russian espionage. It's chinese spies who are on the offensive actively trying to recruit americans as agents. The chinese government has long tried to interfere in u._s. Affairs most famously in the nineteen ninety-six presidential election when operatives produce tried to infiltrate the democratic national committee with donations of laundered money but since then some say the u._s. has led its guard down and chinese tactics have changed since two thousand seventeen. The department of justice has brought at least a dozen cases against americans accused of spying for china in may kevin mallory of former c._i._a. C._i._a. Officer was sentenced to twenty years for selling china u._s. State secrets and he was recruited on linked in our next guest was as well l. but it didn't work jonas pirlo plus. Ner is a former danish diplomat. He's in copenhagen jonas. Welcome thank you thank you on the show also fellow fellow at the hudson institute the conservative think tank and have written a fascinating report about chinese espionage. We'll get to that but take us back twenty eleven a woman supposedly named grace wu approach to on lincoln as business people do. She said she was with a head hundred company. In china you do the usual back and forth with her but then on a trip. You'd already planned to beijing you. Were supposed to meet with her. When three men walk in the room there's no grace wu. What did they say to you. Tell us about that well that that meeting was auden was already a couple of days leading up to the meeting a bit conspicuous. I was interested in meeting state owned companies that was part of my research at that time on on change chinese affairs and being cagey about who was actually then i was going to meet and these three men did quite unusual off to meeting by not giving business college which just other allies sort of the the whole ritual in chinese meeting so it's almost like in a western meeting if you showed up half naked <hes> so that was really sort of art and then started this long spiel about how my articles to that i'd written on china where important it was important with people who understood china really well and then they came to a point where we would like to sort of support your research and i was playing dumb until oh you mean my think tank where i was affiliated research because we do have sort of <hes> affiliations with and they're like no no it's used specifically and as i oh i can see where this is turning they. They want to give you money. They wanted to lure you in as you started to realize of course she declined but what what were you realizing. What were you thinking well yeah yeah. I was thinking that these are the things i worked with so this was seeing it in practice and how the chinese system sort of use as many different sort of concrete it's not it's actually is <unk> as you mentioned. Indian tro is one thing and that should of course be dealt with sort of through counter-espionage but it's also much phenomenon that the chinese tried to use linked and in many other means to gain influence in the west and basically pass their messages. I didn't follow it up so i mean it could have been that they want it. Classically if you're not you could also the band just wanted me to be a so to speak friend of china that would publish <hes> nice things about china which is really important for china and for the for the communist party in china to to sort of get positive news stories out about china. We see it right now with hong kong and everything that's happening. There were chinese state driven media have paid ads. That's on social media to get their version of of what's happening with the democracy protests out well and as you already knew because this is your field you're not alone there thousands of attempts to contact people on lincoln by the chinese or to contact americans in person we reba linguists at a military base. She took a taxi not to work every day. There was a very nice chinese driver who was friendly to her litter practice or chinese than he started asking questions. He was later arrested as part part of a chinese spy ring in california. <hes> you say the chinese are building these long relationships as opposed to the russians who who make quick hits. This is the so-called chinese united front. There are things like the confucius institute caesar schools teaching language but really influencing the page articles in american media mental look like real news but actually propaganda and they also wanna co up chinese communities and other countries and here's it's important note that you are not talking about all chinese. You say that the mainland chinese have been targeting the chinese in the u._s. No that's great. I think it's really important jordan. Well you outlined quite well. Many of sort of things where we see chinese interference and influence operations and you know some of it is out in the open when china daily <hes> state-driven newspaper buys an ad in u._s. newspaper i mean. I don't think it should happen but it's still out there. In the open. The problem is really when the things are also covered art or or of course illegal so when you for example have a confucius institute that technically only supposed to be doing language education but then you see that they gradually gradually sort of stifled academic freedom at the broader university institution where they're embedded by trying to sort of influence whether chinese human rights defenders tip returns turns even at allama could visit university so it's deeds type of effect zero basically sort of more covered and whether change academic freedom freedom of speech inside our all countries and that's also the real danger for <hes> chinese american communities and and other chinese diaspora communities is that the chinese communist communist party through this united front has an effect inside their communities for example chinese american journalists whose wife was then subsequently disappeared in in china and later did a video on youtube where she denounced her husband's work clearly on to dress and that's the type of things where you're basically see the chinese each communist party using the open access. There is in the u._s. and western society system to to exploit that yeah well and you you say this so-called so-called united front has been more successful in australia for instance where there are loose campaign finance laws <hes> you could just very very briefly remind us what happened there. Yeah australia became really sort of the poster. Example of china's united front work over the whole sort of spectrum on the political side. It basically meant that sort of chinese he's front companies were <hes> funding particularly the labor party but actually both main parties in australia and when it all got sort of blown up was when an ustralian senator was speaking about design china sea with speaking points clearly sort of written in beijing and everybody else should keep out at the south china sea and something that it sounded completely off on australian politician to say and then suddenly these links including financial to him personally as well we're discovered and and that sort of started starter a bigger investigation australia into this and actually a change of laws post on campaign finance and the way sort of foreign agents can work inside australia and you point to a lot of solutions including there being a more investigations more awareness on the part of the press in particular <hes> willing link people to your writing at here now dot org but that said how worried should americans be. We hear of your own experience. You are chinese expert. If you get roped it into a meeting with the chinese who might want to co opt you what chance to other people have but on the other hand people might say well. The u._s. has spies as well but then on the the other other hand ross the middle of a trade war with china. So how would you characterize this particular moment when it comes to what you've laid out in the chinese trying to insinuate themselves into an american politics i think people in all sectors need to be probably much more vigilant than than we have been so i mean there's been a lot of <hes> look at china in prison of businesses business and this is mainly a good sorta making money opportunity and to some extent it was and missile is bought increasingly. There's also the realization that the chinese <hes> communist party which has gone in a or tutoring direction over the last decade particularly on the sheeting pink also uses different means to sort of influence in western democracies and that's where we have to be aware of that so we don't have of course paint suddenly all chinese has potential spies but we just have to be sort of slightly more vigilant that the chinese don't want on stealing trade secrets and military secrets as well well it's. I'm glad you mentioned that because you know that is a question. How do you keep this turning into a slippery slope. Mccarthy like witch hunt <hes> with the fear of the chinese. That's worth think you should start from the sort of civil rights approach of saying well. They're actually chinese-american instead of subjected as the example. I mentioned earlier with chinese american journalist who wife then had to denounce him in in china so there are people that come to the the u._s. because of the protection because it's a freedom that's in the u._s. And actually realized that the chinese communist party have a lot of <hes> stooges and people that are loyal to them also inside the u._s. So i think clamp down on that part and then of course be still open to <hes> general chinese students and collaboration ration- other areas as you right the the chinese diaspora needs to be protected around the world from the mainland communist chinese party that has been targeting them jonas pirlo pleasant former danish diplomat who the chinese attempted to recruit back in two thousand eleven. It did not work <hes> jonas. Thanks so much for speaking speaking to us about this. Thank you robin. <music> in one of the nice things about summer coming to a close is that it is tomato season so here in arizona chef. Kathy guns is here with some delicious looking tomato dishes. Hi cathy there and this is the time of year when you can find all kinds of different tomatoes. They're delicious. There are so many tomatoes right right now. My garden just keeps producing them to the point where i'm like. Hey i need a break. I need a break but i've just been roasting sauce and making soups and making sandwiches sandwiches and let's just dive right in <hes> making soups. I'm sorry i'm busy. I'm tweeting out a picture of this so that people people when they hear that at main cook because here is just flocked to the radio here now dot org got the pictures what we're talking about here kathy but you've got up tomato soup. This is a really lovely soup. It's a tomato and leek soup sup- excuse me and drizzled in a basil cream and what i did was i heated up just a tiny bit of heavy cream with lots of fresh basil because because that is all being harvested right now to and let it steep into the cream and then strain it so it just looks like cream but it's got this wonderful basil flavor in it and the soup is very straightforward and honestly the best thing about it is you can use all the beautiful tomatoes that are in season right now and you can freeze his soup very successfully for months one of the things i'm not seeing in the soup as opposed to my sue yes. I'm not seeing the skin floating around here. Yes we're doing. I'll tell you what what i did. This is this is a fussy step but very simple you get a pot of water boiling and then you get a bowl of ice cold water. You drop the tomatoes into the boiling rolling water count to ten fifteen seconds. Maybe thirty take them out. Put them right into the ice cold water and the ice water shocks the peel and it kind of starts to come off off on its own and then you pull it out and it's very it's a great trick works really easy and then you just chop those tomatoes and you can use them then for sauce but sup- specifically no peels each just shocks appeal sounds like the name of a band shock the baby what about what about this is that you've got right here. It's a tomato peach on toast it. Is i call it tar teen. You could call it an open face sandwich. <hes> i get really a little bit blue during these times when summer is fading but this open face sandwich makes me so happy it's the end of the summer peaches and plums and tomato nato so i took soft goat cheese could use a soft fed and added time and rosemary and basil chopped into it spread it on a piece of in this case brioche toast and then i put thin thin slices of tomato peach plum tomato peach plum and it is one of the prettiest things that you will see isn't talk about about that well the colors i mean it's it's peaches and plums and tomatoes and it's just the brilliant yellows and reds that regular. He's a plum. That's a regularly but a locally grown plums so it wasn't shipped across the country and it's just dripping with juice and it's everything that's good about this this season and it makes you really think that you're still in the summer because feels like a summer dash. I'm one of those girls that holds onto summer as long as she i'm. I'm out there swimming until it's snowing well. You've got a pasta here too. You could take this into the winter. I love tomatoes and pasta. 'cause you can do anything well this. This is a wonderful dish because it uses tomatoes in different ways. I have just an onslaught of cherry tomatoes right now. Yellow ones dark red ones bright red ones and what i do is i roast them at a very low temperature for a while until they get just softened. They don't split split open but they almost become candy like this is such a great <hes> technique particularly for kids that say they don't like tomatoes because it's like eating handy handy. They're so sweet and i roasted with a whole head of garlic. I squeeze the garlic out so you have the roasted cherry tomatoes garlic then you boy linguini whatever type of pasta pasta you like and then i chopped fresh tomatoes in as well so you get the tomatoes in two different ways you get the raw juicy fresh and you get these sweet bursting bing cherry tomatoes and of course there's basil and toasted pine nuns buttery buttery. How long does it take to put this together is less than thirty minutes for a real and if you wanted to do it on a week night in new pre roasted the tomatoes and garlic you can put it together in the time it takes to boil pasta and my favorite things you could put pesto in it. You could put go cheese crumbles in it. Listen to rob running away with my recipe improvise improvise. What what do you look for. Kathy and i know that we've talked about this before. It's you don't always have the best selection especially at the supermarket of tomatoes. You like farmers markets or your own garden. I what do you look look for. When you're when you're going to look for a perfect well i look for a tomato that has a bright color whether it's green or pink or red but that it's not just a blush lush of color because usually it's not right. It should feel heavy in your hand and if you're shopping for tomatoes at a supermarket this time of year. You're probably probably making a mistake because the farmers markets are so full of them. I also wanna say my famous roasted tomato sauce room roasted putin esco which has anchovies anchovies and olives go to the farmer's market and ask for seconds these of the slightly bruce tomatoes perfect for making sauce and sheep and i'll say say one thing the famous julia child once told me do not put tomatoes in refrigerator here bruins that esta absolutely chilean new tomatoes refrigerator or no no okay. We've got all these recipes pictures at here now dot org during a resident chef kathy guns. Thanks as always thank you. <music> jeremy hobson around us is here now <music>.