Researchers in Hong Kong Confirm the First Case of Coronavirus Reinfection
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Andrew Joseph reporter at Stat News vendors for what to know about the first Ovid reinfection. Next yesterday has issued an emergency use authorization for convalescent plasma as a coronavirus treat. Some seventy thousand Americans have already received blood plasma as part of their trees. While the president has said that the treatment is very safe and effective, the FDA did not go that art because there's not been any controlled clinical trial. Sarah, overall health care reporter at politico joins us for more. Finally as the Republican National Convention gets underway there will be no new platform. Instead, the GOP will fully support president trump's agenda. The trump campaign released forty nine point wishlist per second term including developing a vaccine by the end of twenty twenty trading ten million jobs in ten months and fully funding and hiring more police. Elena train White House reporter at axios joins us for trump's second term agenda. Without the noise let's dive. Viruses had an arch, his doctors sort of sequence, the genetics of the virus then and they did the same with the second infection in those viruses for slightly different. It's obviously the same iris. There was some slight mutations was Andrew Joseph reporter at Stat News. Thanks for joining US Andrew. Thanks so much. Researchers in Hong Kong, on Monday reported the first confirmed case of COVID nineteen reinfection. It was the thirty three year old man who got it again, and one of the ongoing questions throughout this whole pandemic is once you had it for how long are you immune to it? Are you immune? Forever a lot of people were saying, well, it could be like other common cold corona viruses you can get it seasonally things like that. So in this case, tell us a little bit more about it seem he got it at the end of March early April and then four and a half months later he got it again. So tell us a little bit about this guy. You said he's thirty three year old man who lives in Hong Kong and got it in Hong Kong in March when it was sort of their epidemic with spiking. Appear to have totally recovered and had sort of classic mild to moderate symptoms of fever cough in the lake, and then he had been traveling in Europe in August and four and a half months later, and as he was coming home to Hong Kong Day as part of a screening program at the airport, just a saliva sample in that came back as positive for the virus and there have been sort of scattered reports of reinfection before and some of them have been. dismissed sort of flukes with testing but the evidence that this really does appear to be a case of reinfection in this case is because the virus he had in March his doctors sort of sequence, the genetics of the virus then and they did the same with the second faction in those viruses slightly different. It's obviously the same but there was some slight mutations in that indicates that the infections weren't actually related to each other. So that's how they were able to. Establish that it was the second case and they've been following the sequence of the genome of the virus for a long time. What they were saying is on the west coast of the United States a lot of those seem to be coming from China and other Asian countries, and then on the East Coast New York had their outbreak, a lot of that viruses coming out of Europe. So this guy, obviously he had the first case in Hong Kong and then I guess. He was travelling through Spain and London on his way back to Hong Kong, and that's how he got it. But the interesting thing about this too is that the second case was milder than the first time around he had almost no symptoms the second time around, and at least they're saying that if your body does go through it, you do get some type of immunity protection maybe can't fend it off completely but at least it's not as strong the second time around. Yeah. So I think when this report came out today sort of the initial reaction was like. We had hoped immunity may last longer than four and a half months, and that might still be the case. This is potentially an outlier and for most of us if we have covid nineteen in recover will be protected from a second infection for longer. It sort of appears that he was sort of a rare person in that he did not amount of very good immune. After the first infection sort of studies showing that most people do a pretty good immune response. So this could be an outlier in terms of the timing but what scientists have hard to see that this guy actually had no symptoms on his second infection and was really only detected because of that airport screening program, and so that's suggests that like maybe his him sponsor degenerate wasn't strong enough to totally prevent infection, but it still offered some sort of protection. So he didn't get really sick and. That's kind of been one of the hypotheses out there is that if in win reinfection juicer happening more broadly because it should have happened eventually hopefully, the plan will be that people get less sick which is important. Obviously, not only for that individual. But in terms of health system capacity in the like but it's also unclear still if this guy is as infectious as he may have been during that primary infection, that would be the big question almost impossible to tell right they're not gonNA actually put. Him Out there and get other people infected or anything. So yeah. How infectious was he the second time around if the body already knew the virus already fighting it so much so that he didn't have any symptoms this time around. So that's a big lingering question, but we keep talking about other corona viruses that cause the common cold people usually are susceptible after a year or maybe a little less when SARS and Moore's came around the immunity for those lasted a few years. So we kind of. Always, had this in the back of our heads that people were probably going to be able to get cove it a second time around and health experts say that this is important to know though with this person that got the second infection that even if people have got it, they should still get vaccinated when it becomes available, they should still wear their mass and still do their social distancing just to help limit the spread. In case they do get it again and they might be a symptomatic. There's going to be quite a demand vaccine. So there's been some talk about maybe people who've recovered should be closer to the back line I. Don't know if that's going to be a serious proposal or not. But this does go to show that this is like other respiratory viruses. It just does not seem like we're going to have. Sterilizing unity, which means immunity are complete incomplete protection for a long time, which happens with things like measles, for example. So there was always a thought that people would start to get reinfected, and that's sort of has implications for vaccine development as well because the thinking with the vaccines that are making progress now, they won't provide lifelong To be something that we need a boost for maybe every year, maybe every two years I mean that remains to be determined but people have been sort of thinking that. This is something we're gonNA need to kind of keep up with going forward. Andrew Joseph reporter at that news. 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Over the weekend, the Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency authorisation for blood plasma or they also call convalescent plasma as a virus treatment. Now, this has been around for some time now and I guess through the Mayo Clinic. There are a bunch of patients I think maybe about seventy thousand Americans have already received this convalescent plaza treatment but now the FDA has opened up a little bit more. Sir, tell us a little bit about convalescent plasma and how effective it is right now. So as you said, it's been around for years and been used for a multitude of viruses and somebody thousand people have been treated through an expanded access program at Mayo Clinic what we can tell from those two things and that it's safe but the outstanding question right now, it's how effective it is especially for the corona virus. So with the emergency. Use Authorization on Sunday. The FDA saying that doctors can minister this plasma which essentially is recovered patients blood sick patients because the cover patient in their plasma has antibodies that helps fight the virus they can administer that plasma to hospitalized patients. One of the concerns that people have about getting e way before we know that it is actually effective is that when? You have an easy way. You don't have to continue logging data whereas Mayo Clinic was logging all this data. Now, we could have people getting plasma where is effective or it's not affected, and it's going to be harder to you know what that is is what's happening for people and up until this point with regards to coronavirus at least it hasn't gone. Through the clinical trial, the randomized testing that they usually do with people. So that's kind of why we don't know exactly how effective it could be the president on Sunday when he announced, it said that it's safe and very effective. So little contradictory there. But as you mentioned, it's been given to so many people we at least know that it's generally safe. Yes but quote, very effective part is not proven yet and notably trump's health officials who are on stage with him FDA Commissioner Even Hahn and the Health Secretary Alex as are getting push back on him saying that which is very notable because they're the people who are supposed to laugh the limits here it is but we don't know how effective it is and we're not going to know that until we have randomized trials which are considered the gold standard because they eliminate other factors that could be helping or harming someone. The president likes to paint a pretty rosy picture when it comes to these types of things as we're just talking about with the convalescent plasma or even with a vaccine that we're hoping could come by the end of the year most likely the beginning of next year especially when it comes to actually distributing it to millions of Americans, but the president seems to say, Hey, we might have it before the end of the. Year maybe by election time Steven Hahn, he's the FDA Commissioner. He's been out there trying to calm people down at least because there's a lot of people that have distrust vaccines distrust of the government as well. So Steven, Hahn has been out there trying to calm people down about it at least and try to play up the effectiveness saying we're not GONNA put anything out there until we know it's completely safe and effective. Exactly, and it remains to be seen whether that's going to resonate with people because while he has started trying to reassure people about that transparency and about the agency's commitment to science rather than politics so far that has largely been confined to medical journals which the average American doesn't read, and so he's not really you know on the Airways on the primetime television shows telling people this going to be safe, and here is why it is going to be safe. Meanwhile, the president is out there every day saying we're going to have a vaccine by the end of the year and the time. I just don't match up there. We could have a vaccine candidate that is promising by the end of the year but a lot of people hear him say that and what they hear is, I am going to get a vaccine by the end of the year and what is largely expected from government officials from health experts is that wide availability of a shot is not going to be a real thing until twenty, twenty, one spring. But of course, by that time, the presidential election will be over the politics that are being infused into. This are really fueling vaccine distrust that has already been there. Of Americans anyway. But as being exacerbated right now because of all the rhetoric of being discussed around the covert vaccines in particular. It is reassuring to me that we're hearing from these drug companies and the FDA talking about going through all these stage three trials thirty thousand people in each study for each vaccine candidate, and they're really trying to do their due diligence. Especially when you hear Russia and Vladimir Putin say, Hey, we have a vaccine. We're already going to start using it and we haven't done all those clinical trials. So at least on this side of things, we're trying to do it right we're trying to make sure it's safe and effective for the vast amount of people so that we do have confidence in our medical system in our vaccines and in the government as well with it. Absolutely. I think it is really important to stress that the system itself is not changing. The pharmaceutical companies are pushing back on any idea that their timelines are going to be sped up to an irresponsible level. There's career people at FDA across the government people like Anthony. FAUCI. He's been there for decades and know exactly how this works and they're not going to stamp. Vaccine that does not have the data to support it. So I don't want people to worry that something is going to be publicly available that is not safe or that is not effective but I think that there needs to be a level of realism injected where it might not be a cure all right away. You might not be the thing that returns us to normal and that the first axiom might not be available to you. When the president is saying, it's going to be available to you and I think those are the things that people need to understand. Sarah, overall healthcare reporter at politico. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you so much. was supposed to be using covid. To. Defraud the American people, all of our people of a fair and free election. Joining us now Elaine of Trine White House reporter at axios. Thanks for joining US Salena. Don't have any on the RNC getting underway. We're going to be hearing a lot of the president he's slated to speak in some form or fashion throughout all four days leading up until Thursday. But one of the interesting things there's not going to be a new party platform instead, the Republican Party is just going to support the trump agenda but we did kind of get maybe a wishlist. You can call it for president trump's second term just things that he wants to get done, but it seems like a lot of the things that he wants. To accomplish this time around as with the last time really, and he's a lot of congressional buying that he's he's not gonna be able to do everything by executive order it needs Congress to pass laws and make these things happen. But Atlanta tell us what we know about this second term agenda that they want accomplish. So you use the word wishlist and that's exactly what I think. A lot of critics of this agenda are calling it because a lot of it like you said, yes congress would have to pass a lot of these things. And it doesn't really get into specifics of how the president would do this but it lays out in forty nine bullet points ten broader areas of what the president and the campaign is promising. He will deliver in term. The first is about healthcare in the corona virus. In addition to some things we've heard from him throughout his time being an office already about lowering prescription drug prices and insurance premiums and ending surprise billing. But one thing that really stood out in that section is that the campaign promise to develop a vaccine by the end of. Twenty twenty a lot of health experts. That's kind of an optimistic timeline but it's something that now is a core part of their agenda, and so they'll be pushing this throughout this week during the Republican National. Convention, it also touches on what he wants to see for jobs. There's a push to create ten million new jobs in ten months including one million new small businesses. One of my business colleagues noted that even if the president were able to achieve that goal, a US would still be well under where they weren't February prior to the coronavirus pandemic. On education what do they plan on doing an education because it's such a big topic of discussion right now with kids going back to school how to do it online hybrid in person what did they say about that? The Education Section of the platform was very limited. I. Think I would say the main bullet point of that was to provide school choice to every child in America, which is a big thing. The president has. Long directed his education department and Secretary Betsy Devos to promote an amplify school choice within America. So that's really the key of their education platform here, and again I think that it's worth noting that this isn't a very detailed platform. It's just bullets within these broader umbrellas of topics including education. So when they say provide school choice to every child in America, we don't know how he intends to do it and I have talked. To some officials today that said, they are looking at rolling out some more detailed descriptions of this agenda later on. But for now, it's a very almost vague and broad blended list. We know that there was a lot of calls to the police after the killing of George Floyd. Their bullet points here said that he's going to defend our police not defend the police. It's consistent with what the president's messaging on this has been. For several weeks now and kind of in a way since George Floyd protests, he's really turned to being that law and order president and trying to show that he's going to lift up law enforcement, and so part of what goes into that section was about increasing criminal penalties for assaults on police officers been also push to fully fund in hire more police law enforcement officers, which is, of course, quite opposite of the defunding police. Movement. They also discussed end cashless bail and bringing what the campaign says violent extremist groups like Antifa to justice. What about immigration? That's long been one of the president's top priorities and I not hearing too much talk of things about building the wall anymore. But he's done a lot throughout his administration so far on immigration I mean basically halting the asylum system he's done a lot already there. What do they plan for a second? He's sticking with his hardline immigration stance that his administration has they know that they wanNA block undocumented immigrants from becoming eligible for welfare and health care benefits. That's kind of a play. We saw during one of the early democratic debates among the different challenges for the Democratic presidential nomination raising their hand about providing welfare in healthcare to undocumented immigrants. This is a direct contrast with that. They also discussed mandatory deportation for non-citizen gang members. And ending sanctuary cities as well as requiring new immigrants to support themselves financially, and there's definitely a lot of we're not GONNA be able to go through finally I just wanted to ask about China because the president has made China another central focus of his tenure as well fighting with them over trade this big TIKTOK battle going on right now as well. What do they want to do with regards to China? So China, it's. All about bringing jobs back to America and them specifically manufacturing jobs away from China and back to the US. So the administration promises to create tax credits for companies that shift their operations back to the United States. From China they also said, they will create new federal contracts for companies outsource to China as well as they would allow expensing deductions for essential industries like pharmaceuticals in robotics that bring their manufacturing back to the US so. Jobs. When relates to China here Elena train White House reporter at axios. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you for having me. Talk. It Day, join us on social media at died Harland but glitter and it's spread. Leave us a comment give us a rating and tell us the spurs at your interest. Follows an Iheartradio for subscribe wherever you get your pocket. This. Episode of the daily produced by six right engineered by Tony Soaring Tina. Ramirez and this. Daily died. 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