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Steelers Burning Question: Will Pittsburgh be without both Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell next year?

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Uh-huh. Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What's going on? This is Jeff Harbin editor of behind steel curtain dot com. Here with another episode of the Steelers burning question is is a solo show. I do every single week where we talk about something that is being discussed among Steeler fans everywhere around the globe and this week. I think this question out of all the episodes of done so far. Most people would say Jeff is is really a burning question. Some I goes too far as some my goes far to say, Jeff is even a question at all here. It is plain and simple or the Steelers going to be without those lady on bell and Antonio Brown in two thousand nineteen. So when you hear that question immediately, people think well, duh, lady on bell wants out. He sat out all s season seems obvious. Right. Maybe then you have Antonio Brown into new Brown is wanting out walked out on the team week seventeen has openly stated he wants a trade has been flirting with other teams, especially the San Francisco forty Niners since he walked out on the team in week seventeen. Though, what's the question literally? What is the question? Well, to me, they're still is a lot of gray matter with both of these players in some of its being discussed amongst the mainstream media. And some of is just factual information that could impact what happens to these players. So let's start with lady on bell. The news lady on bell. And let's be honest. There hasn't been much news lady on though, I think we've you might be sending Antonio Brown. A thank you card because I don't think he's the most hated man in Pittsburgh right now like he used to be and that was a burning question. I had a few weeks ago. But. The news around lady on bell. This comes from people like Adam Schefter, Jason lockenfora. Here's what they wrote via Twitter. This is from Adam Schefter VSBN. The Pittsburgh Steelers are still considered tag option on lady on bell. Which would give them the right to imagine e offers sheet, the free agent to be signs with any other team. A league source told ESPN Pittsburgh's decision depends on how much and other team would value bell. And whether the Steelers will be going to match the offer sheet now Jason lockenfora from ES CBS. His source says the Steelers were advised by the NFL management council. They can utilize another tag on the running back into dozen nineteen sources said and the transition tag remains a qu- a likely scenario that would be the precursor tune eventual trade with the jets any. Eagles as potential landing spots. Okay. So the news is that a lot of these experts or insiders with sources, I'm using air quotes, if you're not watching YouTube claim to the Steelers have some options here. Okay now yesterday when you're listening to this. This could be it. Let's be on Wednesday phenomenal writer for behind the curtain dot com. Simon Chester article about why using the transition tag on lady on bell would be foolish. I'll read you what he wrote under the terms of the transition tag. Pittsburgh would have the right of first refusal against any contract offered to bell. But it would offer them zero compensation should he sign? Elsewhere similar to the franchise tag would come with a designated one year contract initially a figure that would appear to be a nine point five million based on the terms of the CBA the collective bargaining agreement. But. But one the dells agent may possibly v able to argue should be worth fourteen point five million. Which is what he was do last year, but didn't show up for guardless of what the transition tag number ends up being the entire amount would be counted against the Steelers salary cap in two thousand nine nineteen from the moment is applied remaining there until bell signed a long term contract with Pittsburgh or another team. Should that team? Not the Steelers not only would they not get any compensation in two thousand nineteen would also be ineligible. Risi receive a compensatory draft pick in twenty twenty. I'll stop right there. So the news surrounding lady on bell is simple. They want. I should say they are suggesting that the Steelers us this initiative enough. What I read to us kind of sounded legs among though jumbo. Let me make it real simple. Excuse me, the transition tag, essentially states that if the Steelers put this transition, tag or maybe on bell. He is not guaranteed any money by the team. He becomes a free agent. And if a team wants to sign maybe on bell, they would put out an offer. It would be up to the Steelers to look at that offer in decide do we want to match the offer or do we wanna let them walk? There's two sides to this one of them is that some are suggesting that the Steelers believe that lady on bells stock or worth amongst the free agent on the free market is not going to be as high as he thinks it will be in in this case. Maybe the Steelers let's say the best deal. He gets is a low ball offer about nine million. The Steelers might say, you know, what we can afford that we want you to stay. And then they they matched the offer sheet. Will that happen? No one really knows. Do I think that'll happen? Now, I don't think that will happen. I do think some team is going to pay him a lot of money more than Pittsburgh can offer, and he will be gone now lockenfora points to the sign and trade method. I just don't think that's going to have any credibility really to be honest with you because you have to think about the fact that any contract that bell signs, even if it's just one with the Steelers is gonna have signing bonuses, which are gonna count as dead money on the cab, and has all written in Simon's article that was published if you haven't checked that out check it out. I guess when I look at lady on bell, some people in it's strange to think this believe that he has a chance of coming back. I never thought he had a chance to coming back. And I'm not sure how he could ever come back. I mean, people say the team. Bates overreact. Sometimes is that the other. But you know, what when it comes down to it the way that his teammates responded to him not showing up. My gosh was that telling I mean, you see stuff like this happen across the league. And you never see players say the things that they said do the things that they did it just doesn't happen. But it did. John Bell could ever walk back into that Steelers locker room and everything because Pacific would they eventually be okay with him? And if he makes it helps them win. Yeah. I'm sure because if it helps them win then. Yeah. But ultimately, in my opinion, the tits for Steelers are moving on from lady young bell. They've already kind of had that the this put into place coming into this passes. And I think that they had faith James Connor or maybe I should say hope they had hope and James Connor the he was going to be a legitimate back. The back that they saw pit before his knee injury. And he was and he was and then they signed Jalen Samuels who's kinda like that Swiss army knife who turned out to be a better runner than they ever thought. But now in his second year, he should be able to do some of the things that Leon belted as a receiver. So they kind of had had this. This planned in my opinion, that they were going to be without love you on bell. I don't think anyone thought that was going to start in two dozen eighteen but it did in alternate Atlantic. The Steelers are better off for it. So when we get back to the burning question of Willis dealers without lady on bell in two thousand nineteen I think that is a resounding, and I mean resounding. Yes. You can talk. Transition tags all you want. I don't think it's worth it. Let him walk get a compensatory draft pick the one thing to keep in mind about the compensatory draft picks. Is you only get Comtex if you don't go out and get free agents yourself. So if the Steelers players in free agency this year in even if they lose Leon del they'll probably still get a pick based on his worth contract stuff of that nature the equation that they have, but it's not going to be nearly as much as people expect. That's not a bad thing. I I've you later on bell as a head. Headache and might be because I covered the team and raft right about him too much. But I say, good riddance. Very talented player. I just don't think the Steelers need him anymore. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine driving a bike up mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart. Okay. So now, let's turn our attention to Antonio Brown. This is a different beast altogether. Because unlike lady on bell who set to hit free agency Antonio Brown's under contract plane is simple. He's under contract. And we all know the story of what went down after week seven teen, but it's gotten a little bit more complex than that since week seventeen. So he walks out on the team doesn't show up doesn't talk to anyone. We're hearing about head the flirtation with other teens mainly the San Francisco forty Niners for talking about. Now, the police reports of possessed potential domestic dispute with one of Brown's the the mother of his one of his children. The one thing I'm not going to do here is to downplay domestic violence or a domestic dispute of any kind for whatever reason. That's just now what I'm going to do. However, I'm I take that stuff extremely serious. But. However, I do want to mention that his off the field situation is certainly going to impact is on the field situation. So I think maybe on Dell's made it very clear that he wants to be traded. He wants out of Pittsburgh one way or another. And so the Steelers in art Rooney the second and Mike Tomlin at his end of the year press conference. They all said he is not above the law. He could potentially be traded period. And the one thing that sticks in my mind at first, it seemed fine you're gonna get a decent return for him. What have you? I John traffic. I don't know. Maybe it's a second round pick or third round pick and current player on a team. I don't think they're going to get as big of a return as many expected, and I think that's that's been reported. And the Steelers would never admit it. But I'm sure they're getting phone calls. And they're probably just not getting turned that they ultimately thought they would so right now, they're in his state and all of a sudden this police report gets leaked now. What what does that do in terms of his value? He's already has he already has baggage. His baggage is that he walked out on his team. His baggage is the Facebook live stuff. His baggage is the temper tantrums on the sideline this might not be unique to internal Brown. But it all comes in the package that is in Tokyo Brown, if you're someone that wants to buy the trade. Now you throw in the police report the potential domestics you which by the way, the NFL did say they are going to investigate. So he's a potential player who could be suspended for this. If it proves to be true that he put his hands on a woman in some way shape before. And so now, you're the Steelers maybe thinking my gosh. What are we going to do? Now. He doesn't want to be here. We don't necessarily want him here. What are we gonna get for him? I don't know. That's tough question to really tough question. And so. If his trade value is continuing to decline. Well, many people myself included thought that he would just be gone this this off season. Maybe the Steelers by the boy and keep him because they realize the return would never be good enough. There would be a lot of fences that need mended before that happened. But maybe that's what they're doing. Maybe that's what they think that hey, he's a good player. We'll see how things pan out in terms of this investigation. But ultimately, maybe we just keep him. We're not gonna get a first-round pick form we're not gonna get a high profile player forum. So therefore, let's keep our own high profile player hope that he can get his stuff together in hope that he can help us win a championship because Antonio Brown is that kind of player you might hate his guts right now. But you can't deny the impact that he has on the field. Whether it's in production. Or whether it's in getting defenses attention and opening up things for someone like juju Smith Schuster on the other side of the football field. So will Antonio Brown? Be a part of the Steelers in two thousand nineteen if you ask me this two days ago. I would say there's no chance he's a member of the Steelers in two thousand and nineteen. But while some people are saying, they should just cut ties dantonio Brown. You can't just cut ties with a guy like this. I understand the domestic violence stuff. I don't take that lightly. The domestic dispute whatever you wanna call. It should not and will not I doubt. I highly doubt after all the incidents that the NFL's had be taken lightly. However, this is not a Kareem hunt situation in Kansas City, where he's a third round draft pick, and they just cut ties with now, he's very talented. But at the. Same time. He is not gonna count twenty million dollars on your salary cap. If you choose the cut him, I don't think the Steelers can afford that if they're going to trade him, and they have that dead money on their on their books, at least they would be getting something in return that may sound insensitive that may sound callous. But that's just the God's honest truth when it comes to how this is run as a business is that's what it is folks. It's a business. To if you asked me two days ago. Will Antonio Brown? Beyond the Steelers into dozen nineteen. I would've said there's no chance now. If that number was ten percents days ago. I'd say it's above fifty percent. Now, I've goes high sixty five percent there's a chance that sixty five percent chance that he is back wearing black and gold next year. Why? But depending on how this case pans out in the investigation of the NFL on the Pittsburgh Steelers. And what they do there might not be love teens at one them. And if they do want him to probably not giving up with the Steelers one four him take that for what it's worth. So to put a Bill on all of this. Lady on bell. I think's gone into new Brown could be gone in. Ultimately, I think he could be back. I don't think underlies any chance of being back. If I were put a percentage on that. I put a zero. But it just had me thinking the other day about how you think about two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen the killer bees, you know, Ben Rothlisberger. Antonio Brown lady on bell for tavis Bryant, Chris Boswell. Manny fast for to two thousand nineteen where are they now kind of like one of those segments. Where are they? Now, Ben Roth is burgers entering the final year of his contract hoping for an extension in new Brown walks out on his team once traded off field issues. No one knows what his future holds. Radio on bell sat out the entire two thousand eighteen season instead of playing under the set of the franchise tag. He's expected to hit free agency or tavis. Bryant was traded to the raiders in out of the league's suspended indefinitely after having another drug issue or failed drug test. Chris Boswell coming off one of the worst kicking seasons in franchise history. This after he gets a big contract by the by the team before the season. Man, how the mighty have fallen. But I'll say this. I was texting Lance Williams. My co-host for the standard is a standard in big props to him for his show. Yes. Said it if you haven't heard any of those go back and check them out. They're not long podcast and fifteen minutes in one hundred percent worth it. But back to the the point here was texting him. And he was saying how he feels the Steelers need to go all in. He said bring back bell bring back Brown try to sign whoever you can't in free agency. And I kept on saying to myself. Well, the funny thing is is that when they had all this talent the killer bees were intact in they were buzzing around the hive. Then ever won anything. They never won anything in. He replied will. They made it to AFC championship game whip d do just like doing Lind. Pittsburgh does not label themselves as a success for reaching a conference championship game. They're labeled their success with Super Bowl trophies. And they never produced one. You can talk defense you can talk. Whatever you want. They killer bees one nothing period. Go back and think about those two two dozen five two thousand nine they have even close to the offense of weapons that they have now now. Did they win? Yep. Yes. They did. Absolutely. You could even go back to nineteen ninety five when they went to Super Bowl thirty in loss to Dallas. Did they had the offense of weapons then? Bam Morris not really running back in the anti fake pen. Not not not not really they didn't Neil Donal come on. But they still got to the Super Bowl zero forty five. They didn't have the same talent when they lost to Green Bay, plain and simple. This team might be without those v superstars in two thousand nineteen but it doesn't mean the sky's falling. And it doesn't mean this team can still be very prolific offense without them to answer the burning question will Jewish without Antonio Brown lady on balance. He doesn't nineteen. Odds are possibly maybe even probably. 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