Week In The News: Dorian, Walmart, Brexit, Hong Kong And More
This message comes from on point sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified defied candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash n._p._r. Podcast from n._p._r. And w._v._u. Are boston. I'm david folkenflik and this is on point. Hurricane doreen is now bearing down on the carolinas but before it reached the mainland u._s. Destroyed loyd parts of the bahamas and left at least thirty dead. Here's andrew evans an evacuee from ayako. We just run from hark and we have serious harkin avocado one of the worst to have hit the bahamas. Everything is totally destroyed. Look like we were bombed. A shooter in odessa midland texas killed seven people and wounded a couple dozen more barry arco's husband rudy was among those killed she told c._n._n. She wants to see action is unfair the congress somebody need to do something fast before another victim on all all their family and other kids you know a dad does call for police do something and the democratic candidates for twenty twenty participated in the c._n._n. Climate crisis townhall wednesday which lasted for seven hours. Here's democratic senator kamala harris. I strongly believe this is a fight against the powerful interests and leaders need to leave so lead follow or get out the way and get out the way starting with donald trump join us. We'll be talking about those stories as well as military dollars going going to board walls and boris bungling brexit over in the u._k. Can join us anytime at on point radio dot org or on twitter and facebook on point radio with us from n._p._r. West in culver city california sima mehta. She's political writer for the los angeles times and she's covering the twenty twenty twenty presidential campaign sima great to have with us. Thank you for having and joining us from washington d._c. Shannon pepys she's senior white house reporter for n._b._c. news digital digital shannon welcome to you thank you hello also let me say sitting with me in studio today and what an honor it is our own news analyst here at on point jack beatty jack welcome awesome. Thank you david hello to sima and shannon so let's just take a moment to acknowledge a dorian. It obviously has hit hard <hes> earlier this week. <hes> c._n._n.'s anderson cooper spoke to sharon role. She's a bahamas resident <hes> and she told anderson cooper about the destruction in her her neighborhood that iran does it's a lot of chaos struck. <unk> literally snow the death in the air as this is up and the sun comes out picks. It's stolen meal. Tampa stated goal is to molest. It's since yesterday. At least twenty tornadoes have been reported twenty in both north and south carolina. More than two hundred thousand people are without power our here's carol hodge in emerald isle north carolina. She told the washington post that she first discovered her house was destroyed after seeing a video of her couch among debris on local news what i can personally do it from the standpoint right now so pick up a few mementos and get bill gas can for the generator at home and it'll probably be later tonight when i have a chance to sit and think about everything shannon petty hetty piece <hes> briefly <hes> you know president trump. The administration was criticized for how it handled things in puerto rico <hes> what's the administration's response to dorien well. I think we're still we're about to see in the next coming days. <hes> with the impact that the storms had really only recently north carolina <hes> so we'll have to see how they quickly. They're able to respond quickly. They're able to get aid funding to people in these states. I mean this recovery is a long haul and a lot of times we we just focus on the initial aftermath the first two days the following week and then everyone moves on but <hes> for those affected by nine forgetting the name of the hurricane but the one that hit the panhandle handle <hes> it took months and months to get funding and it was delayed because the president and democrats fighting over money for <hes> the for aid for puerto rico oh that was supposed to be wrapped in so it's a long process and i mean time will really tell them these places for a lotta these people shouldn't you just wrote a piece about the president and dorian and about the the state of alabama. I don't want to spend a ton of time on that today and yet you know i i have in my hand a thick of five point. I should say sharpie pen. I love apparently the president does to tell us a little bit about weather maps in sharpies. Yes sales of sharpies might go through the roof this week. If sharpie was a public company oh you should have bought stock on monday. <hes> the president on sunday put out a tweet saying that alabama was one of the states that could be hit by the storm. <hes> whether authorities quickly corrected him <hes> say no alabama wasn't in the line of danger and <hes> it was pointed out by critics as something that appeared to be a gaffe <hes> the president wasn't willing to accept that this was a gaffe then continued to double down so president trump was doubling down on false claims that hurricane dorian was headed for for alabama here he was at a press conference wednesday and you'll hear a reporter asked the president to explain a map he was brandishing with projection added in sharpie pen. Dan the original path that most people thought it was going to be taken as you know right through florida where on the right would have been georgia alabama and cetera yeah i don't i don't know how bizarre is all this so the map since we're on radio and people canc- sort of looks like when you dr your report card to turn a d into a b or something it's literally a black line. That's drawn to extend the cone of certainty which goes up through central florida but not to alabama so the president <hes> or one of his staffers we still haven't gotten to at the very bottom of sharpy gate <hes> drew a line extending the hurricanes cone of uncertainty to include just a little tiny bit of alabama to sort the as if that would have backed up the president's claim and then sense on the president's repeatedly tweeted about a different maps and different projections that show alabama <hes> at one point the potential to be hit or have tropical storm force winds <hes> but still the problem is that all of those projections were before sunday when he made the comment about alabama that many people. I think we're ready to let go and move on because there is a hurricane here but the president continued for five days to try. Dan convince everyone that alabama was in the storm's path tweeting repeatedly about it yesterday which is in some ways the obsession being the most interesting part of it. <hes> you know it's after turn briefly to the sharp element of it. I will say as you say. We don't know precisely and yet you know graydon carter. The former editor of vanity fair did once memorably told me in an interview about how trump used to send him these written critiques of his <hes> of his mocking of trump and they were always written in sharpie form nonetheless sema. That's not the only reason ed the president came into criticism this week. The vice president pence going to travel out of the british isles this week and it emerged that the the president himself <hes> according to the to the vice president's spokesman had encouraged the vice president to stay not near where he was going to meet the prime minister of ireland sima. Tell me what played out. Why does it matter that that the vice president would stay at a trump resort <hes> in the country arlen during his visit there well. It was sort of an interesting developing story where it i <hes> advisors to the vice. President said that you know the president recommended hey why don't you stay at my place and <hes> and they decide to take him up on it but then once that became news and caused awesome controversy because arguably the president sort of directing money taxpayer money to be spent at a hotel that his family owns <hes> then it then he put they put out a new statement that that said oh no you know we just decide to say there because it was near the ancestral home of the vice president at a and it was sort of large enough to you know to have enough rooms for the vice president's despite despite a advisors it's the security staff <hes> and you know so that it was it was then billed as sort of a matter of convenience but it was quite far from dublin and quite far from where the vice president we doing his business so it really raised a lot of resin goes to this sort of ongoing trend about you know questions being raised about you know the president the vice president the administration <hes> you know making making decisions to stay at places that you know the president owns or his family owns <hes> you know whether it's mar-a-lago going down there with you know large numbers of people frequently or suggesting that g seven beheld it on durell in the question of you know how this personally financially benefits the president i mean you know the the political scientist brendan niane a. and always points out in moments like these always points out moments like these you know. Jimmy carter put his peanut farm in a blind trust right. Here's the president on the word of the vice president's spokesman saying you should stay there turns out sweatless like an hour and a half or more to get to and from the meetings with the prime minister <hes> and that this was not a uniform uniquely wonderfully equipped place for all the secret service all the security guys to be there. Why isn't this essentially. I hate to say this but a form of corruption play out in front of our very eyes sima. I think critics would argue that it is <hes> i think in the last hour you had i'm david byrne hold from the washington post discussing this and this is part of a trend but this is also <hes> you there's been sort of this honor code as he put it you know in terms of what you do and what you don't do as president and this administration has sort of up ended all norms and in so many ways <hes> but critics certainly argue that you know that this is very questionable to have the american government or american taxpayers in spending their dollars being spent in a way that directly benefits the president check beatty talk talk to me a little bit about this. It feels like episodes like this. They pop up you know if you had pins on a map the they would have this incredible cluster things. What are we to draw from these things a nice elation and taken together well. I think that historians will look back on this administration and and see it's initiatives tax cuts <hes> tax on on immigrants moments of racial demagoguery <hes> perhaps the foreign policy achievement or two that remains to be seen what they will not put in is the bizarre day to day texture you mentioned alabama you mentioned the the the irish <hes> you know <hes> <hes> subdivision of trump inc <hes> in addition this week the president reacting to the massacre in odessa among other. Things said that it could have been worse leave out the issue with presidential leadership just at the human level saying something like that it could it. It is a <hes>. It's not it. Let's put it this way. As someone said it's astonishing not surprising coming from the president <hes> and then also look at history this week brought the eightieth anniversary of the beginning of world war two the nazi invasion of poland which cost a fifth of the polish population kill three million more jews among them and what was what does the president do. He said i congratulate the poll. I congratulate poland. It was a moment to talk about. Its collective security. The dangers of appeasement hatred antisemitism and he says i congratulate the polish and that even as we're broadcasting day c._b._s. News is reporting the two house committees have launched launched investigations into whether president trump has improperly used the office of the presidency to enrich himself by having administration foreign officials. Stay at trump owned properties. The house of course led did these days <hes> by the democrats <hes>. It's a it's a moment to be sure you and i were talking a little bit about the president you know no jake tapper reporting that he hauled in fox news is john roberts <hes> to castigate roberts for his colleagues shep smith and others trying to point out the president erred when it came to talking about alabama in a sense trying to not only force fox more in line with party <hes> word but also subvert its line into a different form of reality. We're talking about the week's biggest stories from hurricane doria into funds for the border wall join. Our conversation will be right back. I'm david folkenflik in this is on point it. I'm david folkenflik licken. This is on point. We're talking about the shooting in texas that left seven dead and whether congress will take up gun control legislation when it returns next week as ever a crackerjack jack panel of guests. This hour seem is political reporter for the los angeles times. She's covering the twenty two thousand presidential campaign. We also have shannon petty piece. She's senior white house reporter for n._b._c. News digital will and our own on point news analyst jack beatty sitting across from me here in studios in boston. <hes> let's start a little bit. I think <hes> <hes> with these. He's terrible shootings on sunday. A president trump addressed the shooting in texas where seven people were killed and more than twenty were injured. He said the incident hasn't changed much in the way of if he thinks about gun control legislation. This really hasn't changed anything. We're doing a package and we'll see what all how it comes about. It's coming up right now. A lot of people are talking about it and that's irrespective of what happened yesterday. Texas shannon the president often often does a little bit of a dozy doe when it comes to gun control policy after shootings like this where does the president currently stand what he's willing to entertain when it comes to addressing a gun violence particularly masculine violence so for about the past month <hes> white house officials in hill staffers have been in a series of back back and forth trying to figure out a either new piece of legislation package of legislation <hes> a certain specific bill. That's already introduced that they could get get a bipartisan group together on actually get passed in the senate. <hes> it's been about a month. They still have no agreement on substance or process <hes> but they do have a narrowed menu. I guess of items that are on and off the table and that's pretty much stayed consistent. <hes> over the period of this talks on background background checks this you know they are still looking at <hes> a failed background check bill from two thousand thirteen that does not go as far as democrats want but would <hes> include background background checks for sales of guns at gun shows and on the internet <hes> they're still looking at <hes> some serve death penalty statute change that would expedite the <hes> the execution of people involved in a mass shooting that is something that's a sticking point with democrats but it is a big priority for the white house particularly particularly the vice president and they're looking at things like red flag laws what they could do to <hes> help possibly states implement red flag laws where the police can come and take take your guns if you've been designated threat or pieces of legislation on things <hes> if you're like you know trying to buy a gun for someone who can't pass a background check and then of course. There's this mental health piece that the president keeps talking about <hes>. They're still no specifics on what exactly congress could do to address whatever the mental health issue. They i believe is <hes> so that remains out there. <hes> i mean as of early this week and i think in later into this week the talks were continuing. <hes> senator joe manchin was in the white house yesterday having meetings and i think they're only going to pick up as congress gets back. The white house does genuinely want to do something on gun. Control is what i'm told but the question in is what can they do and get behind would actually pass the house and the senate and that's what they're trying to figure out you know. There's a piece of that. I want briefly drill done on a shannon democrats. It's activists obviously pressuring senate majority leader and that's the republican senator mitch mcconnell of kentucky to bring gun safety measures to the floor of the senate for a vote mcconnell appeared it on hugh hewitt's radio show tuesday. He said incense. It's really up to president trump well. We're we're in a discussion about what <hes> to to do. On the gun issue shoe in the wake of these horrendous <hes> shootings i said several weeks ago <hes> if the president took a position on <hes> <hes> a bill that so that we knew we would actually be making a law and not just having a serial votes. I'd be happy to put it on on the floor and the administration is in the process of studying what they're prepared to support if anything and expect to get an answer that next week jack beatty that seems like a fairly deferential approach by senate leader known for protecting the senate's prerogatives what does it say to you about <hes> <hes> mcconnell's eagerness or willingness to entertain gun legislation it. It sounds like he's passing the buck. Let the president take the heat from the n._r._a. Which of course is a big supporter of both both men and mcconnell up for reelection does not want a alienate that support and then just in terms of the experience he's he's had i forget but the issues but there have been issues with the senate has come forward but ready to act in the president has undercut them again and again and so <hes> what's the point <hes> he so mercurial <hes> they could come forward with the position he could change and then they'd be left having taken controversial reversal positions especially with the n._r._a. Looming out there <hes> and and taking the controversial position but getting no benefit on the other side by <music> getting getting the president to sign a bill seaman made. I've been reading polls a lot this year. <hes> preparing for these weekly shows sadly preparing for a lot of these weekly shows does with fresh reports of mass shootings right mass killings <hes> by gun <hes> an american public actually seems to support by pretty significant majority certain kinds of gun control. Ah additional gun control gun checks a other regulations. Even <hes> i believe republicans even evangelical christians tend to be among the most conservative republicans. What are you hearing from democrats on the trail. And what are you hearing. Voters and voters are clearly animated by this you hear at every town hall especially young people you know democrats are obviously counting on young people to turn <music> out and you really hear young people really bringing this up on the trail really pressing pressing candidates about what they will do. You know to stop these shootings that are having constantly you hear it from others also talking the mother children you know having to do drills about you know shooter coming into their elementary school. I'm so i feel like we're hearing it more this cycle than we haven't pascal's. We've certainly been hearing it for quite some time unfortunately because because there have been so many shootings particularly since newtown and particularly since parkland but this cycle it really feels like it's like a top line issue and the top line concern for voters want want to turn now to the question of <hes> national security the president defends his administration's move to shift three point six billion dollars in funds away from the defense department department under the new defense secretary mark asper and he's doing that to help pay for construction of a partial wall at the u._s. Mexico border here's what the president had to say. Secretary metairie of defense spoke with members of congress and explain it to him and i think he felt very good about it. He feels it's a national security already problem i do too it is when you have thousands of people trying to russia country. I think that's national security when you have drugs pouring into our country i view data's national security seem amid a two questions for you. I guess first off do voters see this national security and secondly. How are they responding to this. I mean i think we should look at this in the context of the campaign because i don't see how you can talk about it. In any other context promises supporters he promised his base that he would get the small built <hes> and this is clear lillian effort to do that however the other part of that promises that he would make mexico pay for it and he has not making mexico pay for it. <hes> do believe that you know let's looking at the timing it just it just seems like part of the campaign <hes> but i do think <hes> you know it'll be interesting the projects that are being taken away for a project directly affect the military directly affect military families. I'm i'm sorry i think it'll be interesting to see the voices that come out on that side. You know to argue into to raise concerns about how this is going to impact <unk> check beady. If this wall all were being constructed under an obama administration with somewhat different <hes> positions pout <hes> handling asylum requests in handling families that the border or or some indifferences about the notion of departments would this be as much of a flash point for <hes> partisan voters on both sides as we think ahead to the presidential race. You're positing thing is a serious border. Security measure from the obama administration <hes> coupled with a more humane asylum policy something like that sure <hes> <hes> well in effect. That's what <hes> the compromise. <hes> immigration reform bill passed the which passed the the senate by eight votes to spare <hes> what two years ago or two thousand thirteen wasn't whatever that was in the obama armor administration. That's what i call for because it called for a thirty billion dollar spending on border security that would have been in effect a twenty-first-century walls. I remember we heard about drones. We heard about those sensors where you heard about infrared this and something else that and in effect that's what obama would have been been doing. That's what we would have been doing. These last five odd years building a very secure border as part of a broad immigration reform tom package that would also put the ten or so million <hes> persons who undocumented workers on the on the pass to citizenship. Where are you seeing this shannon petty piece on capitol hill. Is there any <hes> is there any appetite by democrats to hold the administration accountable for diverting federal funds. There's their concern over the kinds of projects that are having their money stripped away even though they were directed by federal allocation <hes> you know that that that might have had an effect or might have been going something i think i saw list that included a schools on air force bases and other kinds of facilities that would no longer have funding as a result of this will unusually taking away money from a congressional district to one of these projects was the red line that you did not cross. You did not take takeaway. Someone's fund senators funding in their state <hes> but i will say a democrats. Don't really have much power here. <hes> for republicans <hes> immigration was the number one issue for republican voters in two thousand eighteen. It was a major motivator in two thousand sixteen not just republicans but for those sort of <hes> the people who came out of the woodwork and maybe hadn't voted in twenty years and all of a sudden came out to vote for trump there is a very big population a in this country that feels very strongly about immigration and are concerned about it and they don't care who pays for the wall or how it's paid for or if mexico pays for the u._s. pays for it they want off the wall or the barrier or something because of the deep concerns they have about immigration <hes> so that's very real for republicans and and and their core constituency quincy of voter so that's why. I don't think you're gonna see necessarily. <hes> republicans rise up against us. Even if they're it means their military base is going to lose funding here you know they're different players as we think about political issues as we think about political players as we think about the question of of the border you talk about the wall <hes> <hes> excuse me about guns a few minutes ago if to return to guns for a moment you've seen in recent days <hes> statements from corporate leaders you've seen <hes> walgreens boots alliance which is the owner of walgreens <hes> basically in response to two deadly shootings one of them a mass shooting in the last couple of weeks saying we no longer want customers to openly carry firearms firearms in stores it is traumatic for our employees is traumatic for some of our clients and consumers. You've seen the drugstore chains <hes> chain c._v._s. health corps and the grocer wegmans basically saying the same thing. We don't want to do that anymore. <hes> and of course <hes> excuse me of course walmart itself was the one i meant to say was the one that had experienced the shootings but jack beatty. How important is it that corporations are weighing in here that they are sort of filling a bit of a vacuum and saying let's do something that's a bit more concrete than what we've been able to see from washington at some ways it reminds me of the the anti-cigarette movement that you you're a social pariah. You're not allowed to smoke oh can here. You're not allowed to carry your gun in here. It is a good example of private pressure but against what a sea of guns i mean there are more a gun that people <hes> and this week also brought. I thought the rather <hes> bold proposal from beto o'rourke who has <hes> <hes> someone from el paso knows intimately <hes> the horror of of mass gun violence he proposed a buyback doc program for the cy. I think six or whatever it is million assault weapons that are still out there and a ban on them and a buyback program and and which would have eventually kind of coercive aspect to it. I guess you know you sell it back to the government or the government begins to even take it. We're now on the slippery slope hope for the n._r._a. That is the slippery slope and i'm glad that better roic said that because in in point of fact we have to get those guns back <hes> they they can't just keep circulating even if you ban them they're still out there the ones but on the other hand the n._r._a. Now and trump certainly will be able to say the slippery slope. Nope they begin with the background checks they end with confiscation. I'm david folkenflik and this is on point. I want to now turn for elimination of international events to pittsburgh <hes> where <hes> brian moran became the first player in major league history to make his debut while facing his his brother on the mound according to a report from the associated press a he struck out his younger sibling colin in the marlins ten seven victory over the pittsburgh pirates on thursday night. Why does this matter imagine. The miran household thanksgiving's going to be a little tendentious but not more so than in britain where the johnson family on boxing day may have a very interesting <hes> interesting exchange where the younger brother of prime minister boris johnson <hes> resigned from parliament this week resigned as a minister in the cabinet of his older brother other boris and why was that the case it was over the path that boris johnson was leading the country on brexit was in the words of one <hes> bbc d._c. Journalists the only time he'd heard of were politician had resigned to spend less time with his family <hes>. I wanted to ask you shannon petty piece. What are we seeing play <music> out in britain right now with the conservative party of being led by brooks johnson <hes> but seemingly to being led from thin majority to a much more modest artist to a plurality in parliament. It's just this extended uncertainty about. What's going to happen to the u._k. Which i believe is the fifth largest is to konami in the world <hes> it has big implications <hes> in world markets global markets when you sort of look at the totality of the sort of uncertainties. He's out there the trade war what's going to happen to the u._k. With brexit <hes> trump trump's tariff some not mentioned other big macro factors happening out there and and you know of course as we look at things back in the u._s. <hes> so many people felt brexit was the canary in the coal mine or the the first sign of this shifting fifteen wave of of nationalism going on a you know across the world and now is the question of is are we now seeing the very early <hes> ramifications of that in this sort of <hes> chaotic disorderly une unified <hes> situation that comes from that and so what that will mean <hes> for the u._s. and certainly from my perspective given the white house someone was explaining to me that <hes> it has implications for u._s. Trade because this will strengthen the dollar which will make us exports more expensive so it's hurting trump's economy as much as trump is a fan of boris johnson and brexit. He made inadvertently see u._s. Companies and businesses and trade hurt by an it'll drive at the trade deficit visit johnson's sometimes described as britain's answer to donald trump. He delivered a speech at a police training centre yesterday. After being tripoli defeated in the house of commons earlier this week he said he'd rather be dead in a ditch than request another delay to the <hes> brexit which he's set for a halloween. The end of october johnson then went on to say this brexit. Are they want to go on about this anymore and i don't. I don't want an election at all. I wanted election tool but frankly i cannot see any other way shannon just to be clear he now <hes> he's lost something like forty some members of his own party. He's drummed out <hes>. Is it clear he can hang onto the leadership of his own party. <hes> i don't know i think that's where sort of the chaos and the uncertainty is coming in <hes> it seemed like there for a moment when <hes> you know theresa may step down and boss jones at dover that there was going to be a path forward some path of something and now i think that's all in the air this week prime minister mister who declarative but a path that is not decisive. I'd like all of you folks to hold here with me on the show today and i'd like you are listening to hang on as well. We're discussing the week's top stories from the climate. Change town halls to the twenty twenty presidential race. We'd love for you to join our conversation. I'm david folkenflik and this is on point <music>. This is on point. I'm david folkenflik in other news this week. Robert mugabe zimbabwe's wiz ex-president died at the age of ninety five. He was an icon of independence for that country who turned into an autocrat and he's forced out under international pressure in two thousand seventeen eighteen. We're talking about the week's top headlines. You can join our conversation one eight hundred four two three eight two four two three talk. That's one eight hundred four two three eight. Two five five you can also follow us on twitter and facebook ad on point radio my guest this hour sima made up as political reporter for the los angeles times. She's covering the twenty twenty presidential campaign shannon shannon petty piece is senior white house reporter for n._b._c. news digital and of course with me here in studio today a treat on points on news analyst jack beatty <hes>. Let's turn now to something. That certainly occupied a lot of time on c._n._n. And you know i think really occupy us all as question <hes> c._n._n. Held old seven our town hall on climate change wednesday night <hes>. I'd like to play a clip i of democratic senator as well as presidential candidate elizabeth warren born of massachusetts. She was responding to a question on whether the government should have the power to ban certain types of consumer lightbulbs. This is exactly what the fossil fuel industry hopes swirl talking about. This is your problem. They wanna be able to stir up a lot of controversy percy around your light bulbs around your straws and around your cheeseburgers when seventy percent of the pollution of the carbon that we're throwing going into the air comes from three industries sima mehta elizabeth warren says the fossil fuel industry is is drinking all of our milkshakes <hes>. What did you see in this town hall from the democrats. What was the substance. What was the import of them addressing it. I mean i thought the town on hold remarkable. I can't remember seven hours being devoted to any one single issue in a prior campaign on spoke directly to the idea that the d._n._c. refused to have climate change just debate despite a lot of calls from it from both candidates and activists democratic voters <hes> so i think <hes> i mean it was nice to see the can. It's in a form where they weren't just delivering a one minute answering cancern thirty-second rebuttal. You're able to have some substantive discussion that said seven hours is a long time. I mean i covered this for a living and the idea of watching this makes me wanna call myself so it's i mean it's a challenging housing issue. I mean if you're a regular person. If you're working. You're raising your family. Seven hours is a huge commitment <hes> but i think it really raise. Some interesting points like the members of the audience had <hes> some really great questions. <hes> you know joe biden have to answer some uncomfortable questions about uh some of his fundraising hosts <hes> we saw with warren really pushing back at the fossil fuel industry we this is mary people talk about this sort of moral terms <hes> and i think it speaks to you know how this issue has really been at the forefront this election cycle particularly for this young komo lineal voters that we were talking about earlier a number of the twenty twenty democratic candidates have been wary of nuclear power or of talking about nuclear powers. They devise plans to combat that climate change. We spend an hour on this issue earlier this year talking about you know how you can achieve carbon neutrality without it whether you can do so. It's a robust debate debate. Taking place among experts here new jersey. Senator corey booker defended its use in in his <hes> talking on that c._n._n. Townhall on wednesday my plan says is that we need to be our zero carbon electr electricity by twenty thirty. That's that's ten years from the time that i will win. The presidency of the united states of america and right now nuclear is more than fifty percent of our non-carbon causing energy energy so people who think that we can get there without nuclear being part of the blend just aren't looking at the facts booker's climate plan would allocate <hes> twenty billion to developing next generation advanced nuclear energy sima. What other distinctions did you see among candidates substantively. You know if people were to you have an work. Were appreciative that you're still with us. <hes> both on a moral level and just to give us a bit of a report. Not all of us watch those seven hours right. So what would you come away substantively from realizing well. Here's here's points of distinctions between candidates on other issues may not be all that far apart. I mean i think the nuclear issue is probably number. One i mean they they largely agree. I mean they all agree that this is a huge crisis that needs to be dealt with and that the government needs to intervene <hes> but i think the the issue of nuclear is so interesting and he wasn't the only person brought up and kendra gang boarded up as well <hes> this is something something that you know for a long time even saying the word 'nuclear was like an adamant democratic politics and now that you have to people who are presidential candidates for that mean. They're not leading the field but but they are presidential candidates. You're openly discussing having nuclear power as an option i mean i think this is sort of a turning point but i think it's a very controversial position that will i mean i think it will you know cause a lot of controversy among a lot of democratic voters and andrew yang <hes> you know obviously a candidate who has openly talked about certain kinds of geo experimentation tation where you there are certain kinds of substances you could put out in the in the atmosphere that could deflect the sun's rays in certain ways. I mean just real you know. A force of experimentation in terms of thinking about policy spoke earlier this week with my colleague magnet tucker bardy on this jack beatty. What do you make of the phenomenon of the democrats addressing all all this well. I thought one of the big takeaways was several of the candidates. I think four maybe five <hes> came out for carbon pricing came out for a carbon tax. It's all economists agree. If you're serious about <hes> stopping <hes> climate change you this is where you've got to go because this changes incentives and and and essentially changes the way people behave what they buy he gives signals to industry and so on <hes> but it it's emblematic emblematic of the problem with this issue that the new york times story today buried somewhere in there the fact that i several of the candidates may a pete notably quickly said a carbon tax regrettable that is you pay more for your electricity. You pay more for your gasoline gasolene but mostly electricity and the government will rebate you that you it's like you know it's like a carbon dividend. I think there was a form of that in australia that they did down down there on this model on the alaska situation where they rebate people part of the oil wealth that flows out but the times buried the rebate part and that is the trouble <hes> we're going to hear about this carbon tax again and again and again and not about the carbon rebate <hes> <hes> <hes> and moreover there was another problem with the the i thought with with the with the you know marathon proceedings and that was there. It was a feeling that that of virtue signaling the democrats one after the other were saying. I'm gonna do everything about this but they we're speaking for half the country and the other half <hes> mayor pete put it well. He said you know we're like a two groups of doctors and there's a cancer patient. Group is saying what should we do about that patient radiation surgery. What should we do and the other group is saying. There is no cancer cancer doesn't exist. That's the republican position on climate change and until that changes the forty one senators who can stop action in the senate from rural places prices who represent one fifth of the country they can hold the whole climate agenda of a future democratic president hostage and until the democrats democrats have got to talk out of their <hes> you know virtue signalling to people who are out in the rural america who who feel threatened by for whom climate change has become part of the culture war. It's what liberals want is what those righteous people want and they're wagging. They're fingers at us. They want to take away our hamburgers. Even as we've seen in effect in rural areas agricultural areas than like <hes> <hes> shin petty piece <hes> just briefly putting on my media critics hat for the moment after all that is my other my other job. It struck me that this was an incredible devotion of resources by c._n._n. And time by c._n._n. But also a way of kind of sequestering westering <hes> this conversation rather than leasing it throughout coverage or saying you know we'll do a day a week or you know a couple of hours. <hes> you know every other day or something for a month or whatever in a way that would be more sustaining louis <hes> presenting attention to this issue when you do it this way does attention of voters get focused and and intensified or does it get <hes> brought up in just dissipate well. I mean the big criticism of these debates has been that people all are given sixty seconds to outline a very complex health care plan or climate change planet. He's really meaty. Topics are are trying into dissect what the candidates positions are in them and in sixty seconds and it's not coming off well so if you are a voter who really cares about this issue here you go. Maybe seema's not one of them because seven hours doesn't sound like her thing but if you're someone who really cares about this issue here's your moment here's your opportunity to really listen to the candidates dig into them and i so i think they are very helpful all for niche voters <hes> but i also think in it it helps with the democratic party's brand that you have this many candidates who all have a plan damn that they can talk about on climate change versus the trump administration that has has not they're not <hes> i mean the president tweeted out about this <music> c._n._n. Townhall saying here's eight things eight facts or something to that effect that you won't hear in this town hall meeting and it was essentially that <hes> the u._s. isn't the problem problem china's the problem <hes> he's for clean air and water and that he is not gonna do anything to address climate change if it costs it's the jobs of the fossil fuel industry regardless of yo set aside whether it would you know alternative energy creates jobs. He's not going to do anything that's going to hurt people in the fossil fuel industry tree <hes> so you have that as the republican brand and then you have the democrat having seven hours of discussions about climate change so and if you to the point of there's certain population of voters that doesn't want to hear about <hes> climate change that thinks this is as you were saying that attack on <hes> their lifestyle <hes> but if you are younger voters suburban women voters the voters that we keep hearing <hes> strategists talk about the republicans need to pullover then this was a moment where you have a really good contrast between who the republican party is who the democratic party is and you can choose which which side you wanna fall on a related thing. I think it's a very close to a closely related an assistant secretary at the department of interior who oversaw the bureau of land management left his job last week on wednesday joe bay lash announced his new position as senior vice president for external affairs with oil search search. That's a papua new guinea based company that first expanded in alaska in two thousand seventeen wants to do as i understand it <hes> more drilling in the arctic. He was an official who had pushed to expand the opportunities for drilling in the arctic very briefly shannon. Is this an example of revolving door. That's common in washington or is this a ah further evidence the trump administration more like an escher painting where everybody is sort of eternally going up up the stairs and down the stairs at the same time i mean i think that's always washington but <hes> for an administration that was drain the swamp drain the swamp <hes> when you look at the president's cabinet or you know many of the senior leaders in his administration at these various departments <hes> it's lobbyists. It's people who come from industry. <hes> it's people who will go into industry. It is washington <hes> the the whole draining the swamp <hes> idea and the baby you can say there was no way the president was going to do it anyway. Because how do you find someone to work at h._h._s. Who doesn't have background in the healthcare industry or aspirations to go work in the healthcare industry <hes> the former f._d._a. Commissioner is now on the board of pfizer. <hes> i know number of administration officials who've left and gone to work <hes> <hes> for the defense industry but i think that is just part of washington and i mean maybe someone could break down the numbers but i don't have the data to say. It's particularly better or worse under this administration. I'm david folkenflik in this is on point. I now want to turn back more. <hes> more focused way to the <hes> twenty twenty democratic race <hes> sima made it this is you know right down the heart of the plate for you. Let's talk a little bit about joe biden. He's received a lot of coverage lately <hes> on <hes> whether whether or not he's fully focused whether or not he's a fully. Let's be fair capable. <hes> in his mid seventies. Joe biden a man who represented <hes>. I started representing delaware in the u._s. Senate in early nineteen seventies <hes>. How are these questions that are being raised. How early are they being presented in reports and voters. He's on the trail. Do ask questions about you is is he too old. I mean that's told me we're not supposed to talk about but this does come up. This is a concern that voters have in their minds. That's the president's is in a seventy. S bernie sanders is in the seventies. Elizabeth warren is in her seventies so this is not unique to joe biden. Get it comes with him often because i think because he has a propensity for making gaffes <hes> in a way that perhaps sanders more than the president obviously he he's his own individual character that with joe biden i mean we saw this with the the story that he told in in new hampshire last week or two ago where he basic inflated three stories about honoring us into one is the washington post reported <hes> you know we've we've seen famous sort of over and over again <hes> and it's he's he's always been known for making gaffes and when he ran present two thousand eight that this issue came up side. I don't eighty eighty eight. This issue came up. Yes yeah doesn't have enough for decades <hes> so i mean i don't know that it's age related but now that he is in the seventies you hear voters asked this question and i think that you know i mean heap. Obviously he's still the front runner. He's you know he's got high name. I d his deport amongst certain pockets of voters <hes> bush voters affectionately because of its decades gates of service because of his time as vice president president obama <hes>. There's a lot of goodwill built in there <hes> but i think as the campaign moves forward as has we spend as voters start paying more attention if these gaps keep happening there is a question of you. Is that front runner status. How fragile is it jack beatty. All of this is true. I think it's all it's all valid <hes> t to look at the same time. You have a president who tell stories that her that are you know i think a betting person would have to say more likely than not unlikely to be accurate or even in the neighborhood or time zone of accurate. You know the the there's this entire category of stories called sir where people come up to instead sir. I just wanted to thank you for this or sir. This just happened and you know reporters diligently urgently trying to track down. Such people are almost invariably unable to discern the origins of this. Is there <hes> you know. Is it right for the press to i as i i think it is to hold you know. The president's opponents very accountable at the same time. Are we losing something when we focus in that way on his opponents about the fact that this is just a constant with with the guy who holds the most powerful office in his upper reelection himself well. That's how how immured we've become too trump. I mean we're we're that we're the frogs in the boiling rolling kettle and we we haven't felt the water. We may not feel it until it's too late but it's been boiling. According to the washington post fact checker where up to twelve thousand false statements that's an assault on truth on rationality on evidence on argument such that we have never had from president president of the united nothing remotely resembling that so that's a that's a category all by itself at the same time. Joe biden is not on his top game came at the at the climate <hes> conflict a woman said my my daughter was killed by a falling tree. Joe did not say. I'm terribly sorry he just wanted. His song song missed it. Yes you've been hearing this. This hour from our all star panel seem amita political writer for the l._a. Times covering twenty two thousand presidential campaign great to have you thank you we've also been joined by sharon shannon petty piece senior white house reporter for n._b._c. news digital pleasure to have you as well. Thank you very much and jack beatty our own end point news. News analysts have a great weekend jack good to see you. Continue the conversation. Get the on point podcast or website on point radio. Dot org are executive producers. Karen shipman me. I'm david folkenflik. Conflict in this is on point.