Deadly Discussions Episode 9
Welcome to deadly discussion the podcast on social entrepreneurship. I'm your host is at Carson a lactic knowledge on the usual land on is in who record today they were under people of the Kulin nation. Now, I'm very excited because I have Tim when he in the flesh in the studio, I think this is the ninth episode, and I finally convinced someone to come at to kill soft to record this. How you going tonight to me? Yeah. Great. Thanks is. Thank you very much for heavy. It's nice to come at see the criminal. You have a Veon. That's a guy in you'll probably see on the footage that I'm wearing an evident jersey because we thrashed Manchester. United four nil on the weekends. So I'll be wearing this old to torment my stuff when I get back to the office. Please excuse me. You think I just look like a walked out of a pub from England let's start with obviously you'll story you've got heap. So you're Larry human from the northern territory people call it the wild north while I call it. The wall. Now, you claim it's very light back. But I hardly imagine. It'd be more light back than Queensland. You want to elaborate on that? Yeah. Now, look the northern territory. It's it's just a way of living. You know, like it's a Sunday afternoon sitting having a nice Kobe beer out at least into some live music and having a chat with friends or going out to the springs, and the waterfalls and that sort of thing. So it's. People just tend to take law if it a little bit of a slow pice, whereas in Melwood, it seems to be gogo guy. And you know, you're doing emails while you on trends and places whereas dollar if you if you say you've got a a meeting at one o'clock it actually means one ish anywhere between if you get there anywhere between one thirty one forty five you still on times is your presence. Yeah. The fact that you actually make it there. So if you got northern territory back to back meetings. Mind all European Dari going. So you're Larrakia, man. Do you wanna elaborate elaborate on what that tribe encompasses land wise, culture wise, it might be different from what you've seen down here in in, Victoria. Yeah. Look for me being Alaric. A man was something that I found out a little bit lighter in life. I didn't actually grow up knowing the fact that was aboriginal are found out that my father who raised me wasn't AIn fact my birth father. So having to find out that realize Asian, and then also being told that I was an aboriginal, man. Yeah. Was a was what is sort of a big heats at the time. However, I didn't really know what that meant. Yeah. I had aboriginal nights and friends growing out with how what that meant. When I started to CEOs aboriginal with something that would find out later on in law. And yet the truth is I actually didn't know about racism that until I found out. I was virginal. And then I started telling people. Yeah. Yeah. And what I found was the original community that I was growing up in those actually at school Glen ROY at the time down in ole-ery and my original nights were like seriously. And if it'd of a jockey's a German aboriginal father's is me. Jim. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. So it's it was really quite an interesting time. And then I actually had to because audion meet my birth father until I was maybe think it was eighteen years of I so then I had to learn about my culture as well. And what it meant to be an average person. You know, what it meant to be co myself Alaric Ahah, man. Yeah. And first few years, I was a little bit hesitant in doing that. Because they didn't know enough about my own culture to be able to speak to be Pula bad a win if they asked what does it mean to you to be alert came in? Yeah. So an awkward position to be in. It is. And it was a big journey. You know, it's taken me, you know, the better part of fourteen years to really sort of understand becomes able and, you know, one of the things that I know and in speaking with a lot of my average community members that have sort of God at me along the path is that it's just a feeling of who you are an a sense of belonging and familiar. Me being Eliakim wherever I'm endowing. And that's that's outrageous, down towards Adelaide river sort of way up north feel at home. And if I ever need to break or just need to form water, you know, where see people if there's moving water if I need to get away from the stresses Elvan, you'll often just see me sitting at a beach and just listening. Yeah. And and looking for that gardens, and that sort of would from the ancestors through through my culture wise. So it's it's very powerful. Once you sort of embrace it, and you wanna stand it. But it wasn't an easy journey to get to where I am supposed. Yeah. Definitely. I think it's, you know, we're very oral people and got the cave paintings. So yes, only gin dasta for Balkin Stott, reintroducing yourself to indigenous culture. However, the cubby cubby we've got dictionaries that we've had worked with apologists all able to find, you know, the suburbs and. Sunshine Cho's like Budeina, which means son beim got merchantable, which is black swan also Kabul Shah, which you don't be caught at Gotcha late at night. He's classic carpets nyc who know, you know, it's a place that means place to carpets nyc. And it's has lots of Cup snakes. So. Yeah. For us this some that's in tax or able to go back and really touch up on that. Also, we share about you know, my English English Saad as well coming from Yorkshire England. The my great grandfather, he left everything you had jumped on a boat. I'm probably read a pamphlet about astrology. And it looked really nice and had call full beaches and open land and Freeland by by the way, lots of gold and opportunity probably thought. Wow. This is exciting. He pulls up in the mayor bar poet. It's -squitoes. It's the swampy Meriva. It's mangroves this average, no people they're on it to impress that you're on their property, and he probably thought hang on. I got sold on something different back in England. So YoM learning the balanced by for those and not be to the extreme to one because you know, other countrymen and us blackfellas one in died without a why brothers and sisters in what will one in two. So it's about that reconciliation for the long run working together. So how does a German, man? In and uprising you'll self in the territory that to me is. Yeah. Well, why father moved either from Germany well back in the early might be light seventies early eighties. And at the time. Why mother obviously had a relationship father yet? She was a single parent, and they met up, and apparently the story that I was told is for my mother is at United, and my grandmother loves to tell stories well is how good of a man my father was in. He was just pure and genuine, and he fell in love with Maeve as much as he did more mother. And you know, I it's I'll we forever grateful that he came into my life and he's been an inspiration. Because you know, even though it wasn't. He's first born he's never treated me. Like, I wasn't. And he's embraced my average heritage. He's always encourage me. We've had conversations together about it sign with my mother, you know, the I've had a a wonderfully supportive family on my journey. And when you think about what you have to go through in learning that you know, that you is not your father you now, you're not German. Yeah. For years. I thought it was German here. And today in have that if you didn't have a supportive family, you know, see how I could've spoiled pretty hard. So of course, there's been a lot of tough times. But through it'll, you know, my father my mother being the been the bedrock. Yeah. Well to push me forwards and you wear that surname with great pride. Absolutely. You know, you know, I it's a sparks a lot of interesting coma. Sations came over. What's your last name? What like genera at work win, Ma Dutch German as well. So. Yeah. One of the most famous indigence what he plays, and he sends a wooden. Absolutely. So you're not for me. It's great. It's actually a really good talking point. Because you know, one of the things is it allows me the opportunity to tell my story open up to people about it. And I think that's really important that is. Yeah. You now culture it's about story sharing, you know, and talking to people, and I think we were a little disengaged these days, we don't get people stories and in this spice. You know? I want to hear about your story. I want to hear about your culture, your heritage and educate your mind. Yeah. The stories Assam important, and then told by real people, I think advantages, and we'll time to where you're working at the moment. But I think a lot of big corporates now really struggle connecting with consumers all everyday people because the I don't have a face of the company anymore. There's not this solid is no Ilan Moscow the company he's he's pretty crazy now. But you know, there's no you had, you know, us really. Anchor. For example, you know, the movie he was the brand he's the face you buy the stuff because of willy. Go factory is the brand you know, it sort of tied in. But now companies are just giving it back to shareholders who are faceless in hiding behind the scenes, and they got nowhere on the front foot to actually engage with people and have a conversation because it's all been corporate is and taken away. So let's go into a little bit authentic. It would touch on it now, but we'll touch on a little bit. So for while that you're a single dad, you're a single down the territory, so you've had a rollercoaster of a loft. So you found that? Yeah. You growing up man. There's not really a father is top like this support you on a staying aboriginality moving on. Let's go fast forward a bit. And I know you told me that you a single dad for wall as well. Yeah. Does a bit of a crazy situation, you know, in my youth on many, young woman and Spock seem to seem to fly and everything seems to be going. Well, and you know, she got pregnant so we decided that you know, we we wanted to do the best child, and I was excited United to have a family of my own. But at the time, I was living the Dow, and I thought well, I wanna be around support network and said my family have always been the bedrock. So we moved down to all reap. What has and everything seems to be going? Okay. And she gave birth and. Yeah, a couple of weeks sort of after giving birth. She really didn't want to be a mother. So she wanted to go back onto the territory to be around a family, and you know, it was really difficult situation being follow with a with a daughter. I follow with the door. Yeah. Well, yeah. It was it was, you know, it's tough law changed, everything my priorities. That's the thing. But you know, having that amazing support my family. Yeah. I'm telling me in that time was fantastic. And then sort of phosphor to the ends, my ex came down in she played on the fact that I wasn't so allowing much all know her family and learn about their culture issues from east team. Oh, yeah. So I didn't want to do that. 'cause I knew how it affected me knowing that. Yeah. So I'll let let her have it back in the the short story is that instead of getting a backup paternity tests in the miles. Ain't was never my daughter to begin with well, which you know, crushed may as a person and my family because we thought we had out my mom and dad thought I had the first grandchild yet. You know? So it was it was it was a really difficult time and try to like share that with friends and explains to friends what I was going through was very difficult because they go to sort of reaction was well you dodged a bullet you back to single you're going to be good. But yeah, but when strong indigenous culture, and a strong family whole, that's everything. Well, and you know, like, it'd be rising my family and being an all I'd been rising these charts four zero to two. This person was family now blotto naught. This is a family. We still have photos of my daughter in my parents home, and you know. I would I'd be lying. If I said there is in a die where she pops up in my mind, a father holding his hand with daughter or something like that, it's a massive trigger. And but that experience our guest for me told me, you know, a lot about resilience, and you know, trying to look at the positive so on either if I'm lucky enough to have a family, those light, not feedings changing divers spending time with kids, and I guess all appreciated one hundred percent mole. Yeah. Because of what I winter. Yeah. Of course. So it was obviously something that on aid to experience on my Jimmy and very strong willed person to very high for two. Yeah. Well, you know, where resilient mov savage. You know, I think it's it's just something that I needed to experience in you know, whilst it more of in looking back. It was very painful time. It was the best couple years of my lawf-. And I wouldn't change it for the world. So yeah, I had was sending agree. Sometimes you have to learn those ways, I know when we found out we'll pregnant with the second. And now, I Bohm's on the eleven months old. I think twelve months old, and we will living at the mother-in-laws while we will say saving for a house, and what a slide this is not the right timing. And but what sort of sort of smack me on the other side of the head? And maybe realize it was that we had a lot of family and friends who are in their mid to late twenties. Now you've been trying for years to conceive and people knew spending hundreds of thousands of dollars one hundreds but ten twenty thirty forty thousand dollars over time to try to full pregnant and just not happening. So we just learned to appreciate, and you know, what there's a lot of people. Out there who would do anything for this opportunity to conceive, and we're going to, you know, just be appreciative that it does change your frame of mind, not saying when I get up at two in the morning to change an act of you. Baby girl that I'm like, it is the greatest you know, what I'm seeing chains. I'm so Hof falling asleep on the couch. Sometimes I never make it back into the room and wake up and in my. Yeah. So exciting. So let's take it to the next stage of your loft. Which is what you're doing for your work. You'll you'll business everyone has business. Whether they run a business in a business. It's called business for reasons. So they say the saying, it's none of your business. Anyway, let's go on suit Kohl's working at Cole's. And you'll position is I'm the indigenous talent acquisition specialists that calls so basically calls for years of Ed an amazing entry level program. We employ fifteen hundred new average toys right on the team members every year. Yeah. Well, and the natural evolution of that was to look it's retention and creating leadership opportunities and getting that. Percentage up into what we call leadership position. So it it's it's the first time that they've really sort of stepped into this end. I put the time. It's my position was created last year. And I came on board with calls in December. And the us oppose the Mizen thing in with causes that finding out that they a major culprit. We don't just have one person we actually have a tame. So there's five of this working and all Al key areas to achieve our goals. And through few moments. I it's really an amazing atmosphere to thrive, and I believe that the way that we've got it set up and structured his the way built for us to succeed into well. Our team members to really see what it'd be locked to develop a career with calls because the the funny thing about calls is you can take you career. Anyway, a lot of people think about the supermarkets and things that both one of our original team members who works in the Melwood head office with oneself is a food scientist. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say that there would be we see supermarkets, but we don't see is the huge team at two wreck road that just every Dow perations on I think calls have their own energy purchasing team. They buy from wholesalers everyday. That's how much power they use such cheap. But employ a team of five ten people to purchase energy and try that during the day that that's a major blows my mind. I think we think. Yeah. The calls is just it stops out a storm, and John and then things get delivered. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the that's look I believe when I first looked at. 'cause that's what I always thought is my local supermarket guy down there and do my shopping set up, your laptop, and then I go into Iraq in the hub there, and there's four and a half thousand people that work out of that every day, you know, they have teams, you know, from digital which is a massive teammates. We actually have in Allen Holmes who yes. Talent technology is actually working at the moment. So it's always good to catch out with with the brother and brother on giving. Yeah. So it's just amazing the array of positions that I have that. I mean, we had a dedicated shifts. You have your dedicated back. My Brian stay when I was on the tools that have a KMart. On in that building just for the stop. Is that true? There's no came out in the hot. Motte? But they they do actually like we have doctors dentists days, you know, if you've if you've got kids they actually have daycare facilities. Wow. Especially I take fly bys at the calls daycare center. We'll have that. Absolutely fly boys levels, just a coupla level. But it's amazing. You know, we have kids running around. We'll have kids days where into the heart and saw there's all food and everything different foods sort of outlet. So you've got your coffee shop you sandwich. Shop always a roaster the day going, and then there's another area they do different food last week. I think it's been sushi and that sort of stuff so still looking for indigenous people, of course, we we're always looking for digitize notice. Well, you had me, you know, brother you. We'll have a conversation. We'll be quickly. But you know, that's that's another amazing thing, you know, about what causes it when you come to. 'cause you know, going to be just the only black vice there, you know, we have just under four thousand two hundred team members across the contrary. Well, and we're the largest corporate employer of aboriginal choice right on his in the country. So and and we're not looking to slow that down. You know? It's if anything we're ramping it up, and we're trying to do it in the best possible way. We can. And I know you love your job and just hearing the energy in your voice, you can tell you love your job. What's go into because I think there's a whole block in this in the future and the ten year timeframe that'd love to go into biggest employer of indigenous people. Now, we know a little indigenous people love to get back on country whether temporary to recharge and comeback. All permanently is part of the goal on it. That's part of my goal in the ten year plan is to go back to copy country. All settle in. In the top half, maybe nam nana's area, which is very which is the Buddha can river and then develop my local community with assets on country with food with or different stuff cultural training tourism opportunities. They're crazy love to touch and people talk about food scarcity, and you probably heard it around calls. But can you foresee a lot in these indigenous people coming through going back aiding indigenous farmers or corporations have you seen any of that stuff? You know, future proofing when all indigenous people get into, you know, netted Tato clients getting the recognize aboriginal potties treaty conversations where land is given. But we'll be out actually to use the land, which is going to be amazing. Can you see that that's energy happening? Look, I think that's a really important point. Now that average land is actually giving back to the clans that, you know, the original owners of the lands, and they'll be able to yield is that. Full businesses is gonna say a huge dynamic. She used calls we currently work with some aboriginal farmers YoM, and we're working with growing them develop them to be able to supply more products, especially with fresh produce a grinding night, and and allow people to work and stay on communities with their family and Styron that coaches, so I guess for us, the the major thing is allowing them to go and expand the why they want to you know, when all looking to ask Esso's into different areas, and that's the thing. Yeah. We want to work with you to get the best results. You can't. And what's best for you in your community? So it's very important to us that we do it in the Rottweiler. And we're having those conversations at the my winning looking at ground at and with the way that it's all going, and, you know, the talks about food scarcity, and that's the thing. It's it's bottle that we're doing these things mail and and for the future. And for myself. I spend a lot of time on your country, adding Alabama homelands, and I have some great areas where they used to years ago grow crops, but it sort of fell away and on but there's always the opportunity to use our soil's again. Because this I rich in talented. So I would love to say more of that happened you and if don't read, you know, doc Eimi by Bruce Pasco, the the yams the wild Ross. And if you want to grow Ross, but I'm Asian Ross which absorbed in draining land, ready drought ridden country, and we look at. Yeah. The games wild Ross. And what else are the wheat the which is well, the blends of weight having with some of the from the night of trees along the Murray and actual week belt said original people hat, I would culture and for. I was like whenever that book goes like the same pretty out, then it's pretty much no book as you realize we had a lot of things down patent it was removed. But then a hearing for modern Las week about Putney Guinea stool harvesting up in the mountains, the old the old ways. And I was like that's what it what it would have been like without people still harvesting the old way since about reigniting that an employee digging that into a calls or an algae all the other fellas whatever that cold talking about. Did your phaser that favor there so connecting it into a commercial application where people going and buying night of Yan's appeal impatiently white better for you and made for this country. You know, I look for those is on you're going to be massive pot of it. So you more on employment or the procurement Saad within Shelby will I guess for us. It's a where it's very much about a team. If it, you know, we've all been teams we'll be joining for various expertise in myself having a bit of experiencing procurement working with supply nation who. So I know a lot about but we have a dedicated race souls. Who's now looking into those business to business relationships and making sure that we're driving forward in the rot wise. We're very happy at the moment that were advises we've spend roughly six and a half million dollars a year with average businesses. We use about forty six different organizations at the moment jot, there's always room to grow our. So that's really important for us. Right now is looking at that. And developing that, it'd be further also in ten years from now, Tim where you that's a really tough question to be honest. Oh, I know Russell probably listen to this. I have said to me at the interview that my goal was to get. He's jove. Oh, well, that's the team. But I guess one of my goals in. I'm not sure if it'll be in ten years, but I've always wanted to go back to the Nolan territory and to become the CEO of the lark Development Corporation and really use my skills and expertise to grow opportunities. Father Larry capable we have some amazing talent in the band. And I would love to say more opportunities in them to grow and expand to share their knowledge with the rest of his Stryer. So to be able to give back. Yeah. It's a mock community is is real big thing for me. And brought now I'm just drawing the experience. So that when I can go back can go into that top role and really Mike that gives me goosebumps because, you know, the traditional love strife loss twenty thirty years, and I'll finish this off is lot of femme peel farming. Go to Uni in the big city Melvin Sydney Brisbane, and they stay the and they come back to. Taught but now with Lotte I- digits people it's on oncoming in doing the hard work. And getting the the skill sets that I need and the education and go back to develop my communities, not us give song cards when I when a hey you sharing that because. Yeah. Just gives me goosebumps. We'll it's way my passion laws, you know. And you know, I've always been a person about following your passion. And I met a what you do in this life. Ye seemed to be happy when you're actually doing something that you love and then. Yeah, joy. And for me, you know, everyday I get to work in these spice. I get to learn a little bit more about myself my show. And other stories foam, you know, other clans around the country. So I'm very grateful that I've had the opportunities that have had and I'm grateful that people have supported me I've had mazing mentos. And you know, I've got to work with some, you know, just inspiring people in every day. You know, I get to meet more and more amazing aboriginal people across the doing things that just blowing my mind, and you know, I'm still working towards Madria him. But the fact that this is the spice that I mean, like, it's a mate these amazing people just pushes me to dry food. So that when I go back tomorrow country. I'm actually I will to give everything. Yeah. As much as I can say Olsen. Well, thanks, Tim. Well, thanks for coming on. Thanks giving up with you end of the year. Absolutely. Sounds right. Awesome. Thanks. Thanks.