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Rex Murphy's Interview with Jordan B. Peterson

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This is an interview podcast. It was organized by REX Murphy who's a straightforward Canadian commentator and author primarily focused on Canadian political and Social Matt. 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put on the spot and forced to defend their fundamental presumptions let's say it isn't clear that they were in university by engaging in continual philosophical reappraisal of the fundamental presuppositions of university yes and that said to me something beyond the converse something deeper is wrong here that universities are this diversity is is upside down how did you reason that how did they get there they could be so completely unaware and that was in very early days of the the controversy that came to you when the University of Toronto sent you some military letters by the world's most famous intellectual certainly most famous intellectual Canada in the last twenty years and he will be ready and prepared to do so partly because of lack of practice it isn't necessarily the case that you climb the administrative drone decision well I think a lot of it was was confusion and and the lack of experience with this sort of thing let's say customs that everyone has always accepted like marriage yeah it's very difficult to generate a hence for such institution off the top of your head let's say because part of the whole purpose of customs is that everyone except Peterson I'm going to start on on an incidental thing at least to me and has bothered me since you became known as it is now to all the world as an institution you know it's much more of job and so I'm going to say everything I can in favor of the University of Toronto before I say they send you a third and if you haven't ceased by then while then they go to the next step which would be something to do with whatever approximation determination they might do document you yes yes and they're documenting all the steps and I told the person who delivered the letter to me whose personnel actually got along with quite well some colleagues who have some access to administrative decisions and they believe that the University of Toronto in the aftermath of all this has actually thing I've found too that when I've been put on the spot by journalists and ask to defend they better do it right there there was going to be trouble and I didn't mean that I was going to cause trouble necessarily but that there was going to be trouble but they didn't it was probably illegal and so that also helped establish my bonafides let's say as a reasonable interpreter of of the law and the first letter and I know how HR departments work they send you one letter of warning so that it's documented and then they send you another so that it's documented it back so I read it on Youtube so and and then I did the same thing with the second letter and then I met the Dean and after that and we'd agreed we had a quite congenial discussion I would say and we agreed to have a discussion at least a debate would never was a debate it was I don't know what they call those of benefit of the doubt but it's important to understand that people can be caught unaware and the other thing too is that they actually did me a bit of a favor because one of the things like claimed in the Youtube video that I made was that what I was doing by making the video was probably illegal yes I remember and their lawyers basically said so it wasn't all bad although it was extraordinarily stressful that demonstrations that followed how is it that any university which is I saw that it was quite was but they did do it which which was something you know and I've also heard that behind the scenes because I had some friends who reconfirmed its internal commitment to free speech so and you know I don't know how much of that is true but I'm willing to give them a certain amount of simply be dismissed as nonsense with no peril whatsoever well you're all you're assuming that we have nerve I mean sorry I mean now they can't be debates they were forums or something something not a debate about free speech on campus that was the three sorry you don't think it reflects the they're unstated presuppositions and so when you put on the spot you don't know what to do when I first got the letter that it was full of errors and it was poorly renton and that they should take it back and properly followed and because if they were going to do this and one of them I would say try well succeed I would say it and I've met a number of journalists who've I've had was that the percentage of people who have nerve is very small and vanishingly small you know I've met People Douglas Murray has nerve yeah that's of all things obviously the exercise thought training in mind and therefore the power of expression that comes as a result goes to things that the say things my fair share of conflict with journalists that's for sure I would say talking to journalists is the most stressful thing I've done apart from so some people have nerve but one of the things I've learned over the last three years because really this all started North Tober of two thousand sixteen for sure inking the newspapers are in trouble television stations are vanishing and so there's increasing desperation I would say as well as we're on the banner of reason and exercised mind that's what it is so how come how comes at that on certain issues the transition or whenever we lost our nerve that when people come to you and they say two things that you know not from bias are nonsense that they can at eighty logs occupy but some of it's a consequence of these transformations in in in communication technology that are so vast that they're actually the journalism is very much corrupted it is not the media in the middle it is in many cases wittingly or unwittingly partisan of course also vastly expanded what constitutes journalism and so journalists are running scared it's very difficult for them to to find paying jobs it's their staffs geologist's are floating out Derby seconds with new rules on them to a word you never heard yesterday is somehow or other prejudice if you say today interesting yeah they don't attract as much attention or as much much controversy maybe because they're more silos in some sense but the journalists decreasing professionalism among those who still practice and so some of it's the personal failings of the ideologue who happen to be occupying positions might be part and parcel of the technological changes okay let me let me sweet back to that were nerve I know because I follow you how deep you know the journalists journalism as such is under unbelievable pressure from the new technologies you to podcasts in particular which is of people which is one walloping network yeah but podcast maybe ten times as popular so it and that's all underground the death spiral begins and I think we're seeing exactly that and then that's exaggerated by this proclivity to polarization that also are fighting a losing game and and I think as you fight a losing game I've seen this happen with corporations you lose your best people first and then wars and say we gave all our soldiers will preserve democracy and freedom of speech there is no there is no loss if you decide to challenge in terms sure Roger Scrutinize nurse. She has Lindsey Shepherd has nervous yes there's a handful of people that I've met who you can't move it is part of the game that it says it's covering journalism is one of the failing institution yes as much as universities well you know there's there's technological reasons for that charge and I asked the question if sixteen people are of this mind and one person's of this who is the which is the more likely of quasi-judicial Tribune's as well I mean they're certainly willing to do that I think the human rights tribunals should my opinion they should be talks at university campuses journalism that's just a sidetrack because very good issue journalists I've been playing at it from margins for a long time Oh contradictions especially in the background policies which I had read in quite a bit of detail they were formulated in Ontario although the Federal Government your respect and attention to Alexander Solzhenitsyn is if he's if you have a hero obviously is it now in the Soviet Union League to very much like the idea of dead naming the very one I was thinking that didn't exist two days ago and now if you dead of any contrast with the totalitarian systems where if you said something you really did pay a price we're seeing new over here lose job well you could be hauled in yeah and you almost almost innate we know that this is absurd and you say well I don't think I'm GonNa say it's absurd what are we afraid of we remove the link on their website to those policies after I pointed out the fact that link existed which I thought was unbelievably underhanded and still believes one of the women that he's persecuting because I think he and this terrible bureaucracy is persecuting was a immigrant woman I believe she was in British Columbia with this case's what's what's the person's name Jessica or Jonathan I prefer Jonathan Jonathan in front of the and and and and and dead ends and that's exactly what's happening and it it it every time and I thought this really for three years every under one of the politically correct once that suddenly I don't need his language being being bent it's been turned upside down in some cases it's also someone doesn't exist you're in violation of something or when have we let go to straps that kept us either just something light reason one of the things that I have watched quite frequently is the way that people respond to being mobbed AH travesty they're they're they're yes we're setting up these quasi-judicial in positions in all sorts of constituted because I read the biographies of some of the people who were should be gone styling he had steel over here when okay we have trans activist group that's the thing the off yet well it it seems it seems irrelevant I mean it's a consequence you know one of the things I pointed out with Bill C sixteen was that it contained multiple central states of being in the world and if you entertain a set of propositions that are internally contradictory then you're going to run yourself into all sorts of sharp objects twitter yeah almost stopped looking at twitter it's been about three months that I've taken a twitter hiatus lead singer still post I I don't even have my password so you think that there's no possible way that this can get more absurd than one more example comes up where it's more absurd and I would say the situation in BC's precisely that I mean I wanted to be judging their own calls in this context it's because people judging the causes precisely but I think what's happened uh-huh who had a on aesthetics business in her own home based as a consequence of of the negative publicity is going to be to examine your own conscience and see how you transgressed it's not really much different psychologically I mean it's lesser I suppose but it's not that much difference tolerate being mobbed because they can't because there's a reason for that you see you you said with regards to the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal you know if they're sixteen people on one side and one on the other you might be thinking that the sixteen people are right more or less right right but then you think of the situation where you've said something on twitter and six thousand people mob you publicly I mean your first response if your your first response really hurts them you know they're often they're often by all accounts you know damaged for lengthy periods of time by this and the first immigrant women he is insisting that they waxes penis testicles he's got here on the Lori and he's got sixteen of them under anymore I send what I WANNA post to third party and they post because it keeps me out of the Amanda suspect that's right exactly and that's exactly the right and then waking up one morning and coming to your door and finding a mob of your neighbors angrily at updated on your lawn you know it's terrible shock for people and it thinking about you know people civilized people in civilized socialized people can ars he was the regular host of CBC Radio One's Cross Country Checkup a nationwide Colin show for twenty one years before stepping down in September twenty fifty their first impulses to apologize which is which is truly the wrong thing to do stand well the right thing to do is to publicity and the pressure she shut down her Biz dot only knows what that means for her family began while in for her new asking about courage earlier you know wait wait two weeks people won't come to your defense what it takes the people who will come to your defense two weeks to get their act together is to is to understand that if you haven't done anything wrong you don't apologize now that's very difficult very difficult and then too breath Carl young once said that internal contradictions are played out in the world has fate you know is that the thing about propositions if they're accurate is that they it's the activists who are unbelievably organized fifteen seconds to view when there's two points to draw out of their first of all because you have now been almost conceivable and I think youtube both youtube and podcasts are are are great examples about podcasts even more than you too because you to serve billion Dan Camping in Korea we won't even go into in those countries if you want to say something even if it's not merely innocuous you really have to have courage rain's GonNa get together that would be too much to bear your interest but no he's got sixteen people good portion awesome selection of nights this fall or something gets tossed off until for nine years or more if a man looks to wrong way in China eeking sound our host into the world of celebrity multimedia vast attention I've dabbled in a lesser known for a long while so you adjust the kind of swirl okay but what I've never forgotten and I'm serious is that people who are not in it at all my father or Yoyo between those states what's helped is the first thing is is that you know I determined right from the beginning that I was going to say oh that's very serious but I don't take ever adjusted to it into the house one after the other doubts that really hasn't stopped stopped let's say in the last two months since off came in and he's hates this one and your name is flashed all over the world that was the first real magnitude of media attack on yeah so even for you this is partly because I'm a clinical psychologist and you know it's taken it from good to great and unbearable how was that period well it was dreadful I mean especially the first couple of months because well because the attention was well it hasn't been since then but the attention was unbelievably intense I mean I had there were days upon days where there were reporters lined up coming is really really really something it's unbearable pain yes and they bring it down with club force and the great the great megaphones of national networks agents I'm just backing up your point your name suddenly becomes the center of of some great putters snowstorm in pejorative terms and people are speaking of what there wasn't a better option yeah I believe that you know I still believe that and I think the success of what I've done is an indication analysis it wasn't certain that anything would protect me better than boiling too right well whether that would work or not was debatable. What's made it bearable I would say and some of it's been very good known and it's taken my life which was fairly broad a fairly broad range of experience carefully what I believe to be true because there wasn't a safer route than not it's interesting you know that that in the final since the end of March however long without it's because I've shut myself off because of my I have some family health the most vulgar response it is a terror it isn't three dismiss it but people who have not experienced it which is being atrocious upon occasion and academics as well the treatment I received from people in public is so positive that it's almost unbearable Harsh is it was how hard was it in the first couple of weeks for you to find balance in scaling maybe clinical psychologist and you are obviously mature oh I don't think I've ever the question now when you because I know you had been on Youtube you put you knew the media in that sense but you weren't media person in your baptisms et cetera expunge person's personality with this Guy Paletti yes well in its permanent right because the record never disappears I'm put a person every time I walk down the street someone stops me someone stopped me on the way here and as opposed to my treatment at the hands of a minority of journalists enjoyment actually but the one one particular friend of mine from home never finished school he's about fifty and the youtube videos they've to fill the need which also is something that's very difficult for me to to reconcile myself to you know on about the success of my book say which is also absolutely overwhelming I mean it's impossible to now see I'm kind of both understand and I would say in a strange way to tolerate because I've become opened up to the trouble that people have in a way that far exceeds even what I experienced as a clinical psychologist you know last year double let me tell you personally that relates to you I don't mix mild stuff with family members sisters non-political kind of person and my wife and I went to one hundred sixty cities it was well we figured we'd better make while the sun shines so uh as I say I don't mix those things she called me she's out of this world altogether she called me about a year ago have you seen Jordan what the cumulative effect on me off but I had no idea the degree to which could be psychologically helpful but it was also I think I don't know exactly five fifty six so we're not into the team cohorts and he calls me up I don't think he's read a book and six years and he says I've been watching this the ability yeah well but you know it it's it's fulfilled and the lectures and podcasts as well Persson fellow I re- reproduce what he was saying adjusted he found such comfort and he he found such support Unsettled at the moment for the reasons that I told you well because of all of everything that's happened over the last few years interest but to get a taste of the depth of despair that that can be mean rated with with the Dr Jordan Pigeons Dr Love this stuff and she is following the videos biblical lecturers she's a smart Nice woman not much more than you know some some words of encouragement some some statement that you know you as a human being aren't intrinsically it felt no soft rain for a long time yeah and he was in this camp of the ruling neglected educated you're not particularly sophisticated right and are used the opportunity to thank you know and and to communicate which of course is what you're psychologically in a manner that I believe Melanson and scale join clubs I don't believe it here in these great throbbing moment with all the a low paying job gets you yeah and then someone is out there of stature and credibility and this guy who would never be and my thought when I was hearing this someway to relate to you in all the ping pong back and forth going these voices are saying something and then that was one thing that I was unsolicited should not in the world of publicity shows involve fads but somehow your name got in there and she's watching these with great attention very doing something really fine for people that I could never project would be receiving the it's it's an it's very this is also something that's been very difficult to circle never you send an Echo Ping him and he was calling me and say my God this is something so allow yourself to feel good was it was it was exciting and worthwhile and the demand was there you know and fifths I enjoy lecturing I used the opportunity I delivered a different lecture every thing is the funny thing is is that it doesn't feel it doesn't feel good that might be reflection my general state of mind which is yeah no I'm just about sixty tenure white male there's all of those are bad man yeah well the whole part I think has to in there I'd like to talk about reality in life now when that began I I would think you everything was fairly fairly sufficient in that sense and you went out there were certain things you saw wrong or discordant eater into universities are general system and you said I'd like to spread some reason worthless and you have a spirit worth preserving and the things that you do in your life that you correctly are important it's like people are due very much as a classically you thought and you thought things through in a way that this generation of almost abandoned so you're prepared sure so many dying for a word of encouraging people want that's what my friend was about a I'm speaking back to you on the same thing I know what he was saying he they're stronger men than I be well you get caught up and you get caught up in wave of events and and the adrenaline self supplies while to tell you about what sort of hell they happened to be in six months earlier and what they did to pull themselves and how that's brought the family back to get against no no no no I can put another way I meant to ask this a little early but what did you earn at how did I'll call it a mission if I may how did the mission change over time when you came in contact a youtube channel where I put my lectures in rather primitive technological storm just using an ipad lapel mic record things stay here it's being hundreds of people can meet people after each of my I am started had maps of meaning I also know knowing you bet you had spent some considerable time doing actual stinking which is something people don't Woah you know all of that is I'm is it something that you at some point have at least two shield and all of these individuals what new came to you well I would say I it isn't obvious to me that the the mission itself changed lectures who've told me that they are still alive because they watch lectures because they read my booker and then they usually have a good story I think when I hit the million mark on Youtube I really thought about that because I thought well I don't know what to already telling me when you when this began I want so when you began this when this began as an experience and you set out to the world I remember I had a million views by April two thousand sixteen and that really made me think because I've worked with TV are literally dying from our code and I mean that I mean that not really wanted to sleep I don't know how many people have told me and these that was one of the things that drove me in my foolish curiosity to make those political videos that I made in October which was the first time I'd ever tried doing here and then it struck me that well this was a Gutenberg revolution that we were experiencing the spoken word was now as permanent and immediate more without figure I don't know how to conceptualize it in context because a million there's a lot of people it's twenty football stadiums full of people yeah I think it's an extension of what I've been doing since one thousand nine hundred eighty five maybe even before that it's just that the scale continued to girl main even with me media than the printed word and just as permanent and with a much larger audience because more people as far as I can tell can listen then can read and even with my books of course my lectures were popular with big ideas which showcased a number of public intellectuals I think I'd five lectures in the top twenty or something like that so I knew that it's it's it's an attempt to force a certain type of language usage night I could see what was behind that quite clearly I thought well you know this really is other or help them advance in their career or got out of bed or stop them from using heroin or being alcoholic entered jumping up it's humble beginning secondary place yes it was a very secondary place although that was starting to change I thought what the hell is this new to what what are we doing no one really trusts the mainstream press all the young people do not not so young either but pretty much everybody under thirty five I would say gives you know you you've got you've got a hold of something let's say it's you to and you think you know what it is and you know you don't you don't something like that and that was in some sense I wouldn't call it a whim but you know I woke up at three in the morning because I was so irritated about this bill it's is a an overwhelming force and it's becoming more and more powerful day by day I've seen that in countries Slovenia was a good example where the audience that you're now describing and what is it that you have learned you'll have an unlocked before and you know what you're at when you go out and encounter all of these there was and I was getting a certain amount of recognition in public for that not not a lot but enough and then from a very wide variety of people which was quite quite interesting any idea what it is and neither does anyone else and that's certainly still the case we have no idea what these multiple technologies are doing but I can tell you that you do of a dialogue great where edit and make their own commentaries and the total for that would be at least five hundred million yeah that's for sure occurred a tremendous percentage of my books have been sold in audio form So so I really started to think about you to that point and I suppose videos and this was this was back when Youtube was still a developing yours let's say to be sort of ignored in some sense because of because of it's it's a it's an overwhelmingly bestselling book it's it's it's far more people than you teach in your life and I thought well what wasn't cute cat ten million times is probably because people keep cutting them up and distribute which is something else that can be done on youtube right you can well educated a tremendous number of the people who are coming to my lectures are people in that camp they're working class yes men but not always bring me to death and often what I would do when something was annoying me the death was get up and write but I thought well I'll making youtube video and see what happens it's like well I certainly saw assessment yeah you did yeah yeah no kidding well back to even to the beginning direct up in certain ideas about things they wrapped up in a certain orientation towards change politics that there's only a certain Sir Gotcha no one will watch it do you do you put on ten second commercial end you let people skip it after five seconds that's the rule they break that rule yup well it it is certainly serve me has conversational aspect that television lacks it's very comical to watch an organization like CBC tried to adapt itself the no they don't take it seriously and it's like you should take youtube seriously they also they also have no intuition for these particular forms and they're also this they watch as you do and that's the case all over the world and so it's I think on my youtube channel my videos have been watched one hundred Deign to address see one of the things that interesting about the youtube stars Rogan and then say Dave Rubin is that they don't think their audience is stupid allow comments and so they'll put up something you might want to watch you know for ten minutes and you'll get like twenty thousand thirty thousand views because they don't take the convention regard it's it's a new it's well it's not new conversation it's a new idea of conversation that we know that it's the word for it world of people in the studio and you and you put stuff on that has no glitz profound can be complex and it goes on for sixty seventy watch the whole thing or listen to the whole thing let's go back to another area where you really have been on the mark I'm saying that personally and I think you're no one and it's because they're not stupid they're interested in the world it also defies the great axiom of you're in the television world private or public for thirty years the idea women as well but more men and their long haul truckers are construction workers and they're listening to three hour lectures and complex extra points certain corners they will walk down and there are other quarters which you are forbidden to awards or it is heresy to even admit today exist yes in relations absolutely correct and this is not sycophancy the some of the stuff that goes on into university some of the I read the course syllabus read somebody's regal period of use some of the subjects in there are are beneath tripe that's that's why the flourished research you know that's just especially in the physiological on the physiological ended things in the general literature that's just absolutely brilliant beyond blends which have multiplied since the nineteen sixties and no one who was serious paid any attention to them see that's what happened is that their stuff never lasts but the good scholars are some of them are great these discover amazing things I mean I've encountered amazing psychological eighty minutes and everyone is happy yeah I mean it's all they've been operating under wrong assumptions for three decades while in Rogan's Grogan interviews with three hours low yeah harmless but they were not harmless because they're extraordinarily well organized and the balance tipped nose tipped in the nineties a to because they'll put on a ten minute clip may break all the rules they put two thirty second commercials in front which you can't skip so hypes and and the serious scholars their their specific sort of person there rather obsessed the good the good the great ones that's right in the in the what they call grievance studies and everybody just sort of assumed that they were noisy but and that's a good beginning reading good things I noticed at my lectures this while you talked about the gentleman who said you the fifty five is there thing and they need to do that because well they're on the cutting edge and they WANNA stay there and they have their ambitions for some some sometimes it's political ambitions but that's right if you had a commentary can you make it sixty seconds the idea that people had an attention span inbound four minutes never intervened have you had an interview I did a provincial show for years and years if you add interview mega four minutes to go watch you for five minutes in the series people were busy doing their serious things and there was all this stuff yeah political activism identity politics gender stuff even the devoid of discoveries tremendous ecstasy yes we're well and it's a minority taste in some sense and then there's these pseudo cleanly upset and partly mad you while and then well maybe you need a bit of that I'd be completely obsessed I think you're a minority and scientists produce the kind of down to order the doctor over here it doesn't have to be class if you haven't had media and if you haven't adjusted to it and suddenly your name Orange and it's the same in humanities and social sciences and so those are people who are working seventy or eighty hours a week all they do is work and what they work on the serious I'm here what you thought about this a lot it's like what the hell happened and here's what happened is that the scientific took the steam out of the out of the what would you call it out of the objections but something happened for years ago something like that because there was a big big rising of political correctness around us in the American economy boomed like mad and kind of I think that just kind of from the Westwood One podcast network maps of meeting didn't understand because at the time being unfamiliar with that Lexicon let's say there was the terrible chronic from the time I woke up till the time I went to bed less I was engaged in some other activity that would shut down my mind I was trying to understand whether the is writing scientific papers and when I was socializing which I did a fair bit of thinking about that book I mean it was really obsessive thinking yourself and the second thing is some divisions of identity Bali that the story on NBC Identity Politics Gender Politics that's roared she noticed that flaw I wanted to analyze that system and and the Nazi system to a lesser degree but but also that the western systems the identity politics issue it's a reversion to tribalism and you know so it's the miracle actually the surprise isn't actually that it's backed up surprises that it ever it sounded incredibly attractive and which still do to some you know from each according to his ability to each according to his need no one likes to see people with needs unfulfilled well it doesn't take it doesn't take a very large determined by not to shut down a large and silent majority that's unfortunately the rule and were those rules were necessary and and I what they meant it is is part of your project went away we forgot the axioms right we we started to lose faith in them let's say and that's partly what I've been trying to fight against into right about why those were was what a foundation of stone underneath the presumption of Western civilization or it was really a postmodern went away and we took the fact that it went away for granted and and we forgot the reasons the problem is that needs multiply without end and ability is limited but you know you have to start thinking about the world harsh sophisticated way too war raging and you know it wasn't obvious that it wasn't merely a matter of opinion you can make that case that well here's your set of Marxist precept position see if there is something the bottom that was rocked like wasn't merely arbitrary and I believe that what I discovered let's say well that is that is the project I mean when I wrote my first book took me about fifteen years to write and I spent really I spent all my time except when into society they have people have to dinner tables North America are afraid to bring new subjects up more than half and we're being ruled by them yeah this it's off philosophy the idea of identity politics which carries two great axioms that I can only communicate with you if you're the same I thought through was that we got some things in the West fundamentally correct and and their their correct for biological reasons which is very important because we'd be alone round very long time biological reasons are very fundamental but also that that biology reflect some underlying metaphysics the various words I'm using here is part of your project condom restoration or a reminder that certain certain markers are fundamental and cannot be moved and why was so important for us to defend our tribal positions in that manner and what if anything could be done about it like it here's hell bent on mutual destruction right mutual assured destruction right the terrible acronym which was you know an insane satanic joke purpose all of that the fact that people have religious experiences and and they're they're easily do people and they seem to be consistent across the his I am and if your teaching me particular I can't be taught by you if you're not on my drive but education is actually to receive it from everybody else and take you here's the solution we have this terrible tribal warfare it's characteristic of our species and it's accelerated to a degree that's not sustainable what do we do about it and the answer that came to me as a consequence of what I studied was that we try to make ourselves better people it's sideways at least to some degree and and what I decided then 'cause we because I was trying to understand why the world divided itself up into armed camps that were why the identity politics makes individual a simple avatar of the collective right and everything that attached to him as always extra and not essential it's terrible it's it's it's so danger and I heard you on this why do we seek to perpetrate some sort of justice over generations then there's the the the undeniable attraction of having someone to blame for the miseries of your existence which which are likely manifold elective everything else falls apart and loaded again back to the universities if there's one place is a balance and there's an opportunity to see the world as it really is and you have to believe in the mind in order to keep those back to exactly what we were should Detroit is the elevation of the individual gop that right the individual is yes that begins the entire reaction yes then then the impetus isn't on you to act as forthrightly as as would otherwise be necessarily the case so there's that says well we don't understand because they understand anything about the fundamental nature of the world it'll be on us so why yes the whys and the wherefores for that matter the argument that's being put forward on the campuses to stop people from speaking is that there is no such thing as free speech all there is the exchange of I all I think some of it is is the desire to escape from individual responsibility no if you can dissolve yourself into collective and and and discussing is that you know one of the things I pointed out to my audience is is that there isn't the debate about who should speak on campuses it can reset balances it starts with mine it starts with the younger mind that will leave met with a more mature mind and taught the ways of the mine outta mind works the terrible the despicable French intellectuals who in my responsible for leading this revolution and it got picked up yeah all the ideas that we thought had been completely wiped out leader enlightenment or just simple logic itself they're back yeah why if I don't want you to talk I still might believe that people can talk yes it can exchange opinions and they can change each other's minds and even if they're different the worst things in in all of history that you would make dishonored daughter carried a simpler for parents and now it's your stinging reparations again are we so easing the yielding to this I mean the patterns of crackers in language and people kind and things of that order it's an absurd a group that you're in direct confrontation actually to to have its voice and so it's it's the collectivists the identity politics types it's so the comfort of saying I can start a small war with one another and we play games with each of these blocks Wanna be society what country but if you collective politics I mean the real politics into the subcategories gender sex ethnic religion and each of these is now claiming right only as there's a debate about whether free speech exists that's a whole different debate I noticed people don't understand the difference in the severity of those two debates like city works is for me it's an I think this is partly because sensitized so much to to the Task Fay's of existence in one hundred and sixty one goal I mean it sort of unfolded on Human Bonna lift yeah yeah well it unfold it's the most trendy institution in the world yeah well and it came through the it came through welcomes the Yale in English department yeah that's where that's where that the always the the most obnoxious and useless ideas useless in the sense of their of their of their intrinsic logic finding easiest walked onto campus across time because they were so popular the popularity didn't seem to be waning and but it was an opportunity to put forward the case for all the the ideas of avatars who are possessed by the group actually the logical consequence of that is to refuse to let them to speak speak because why should you allow the the collective and the personal sense is that when I go outside and everything works and there's all these people have different colors and creeds and religions walking down the street and so peaceful that's the world we're in you'll get much chance because obviously no longer tolerate you around it would last you get much chance to expand on the beauties of the culture poetry music and things of this nature the other side of the academic The things that somehow they sing to the humans do I mean here's right the Russian revolution the first World War the Spanish influenza just absolut bloody hellish catastrophe one after you're going to meet with an untimely and painful death at the hands of someone else's almost nil and that we live for such a long time all of this lights go on regularly and the power is always working and everything technological is one hundred percent reliable and there's no riots in the street and the probability wonderful things that we've done I mean and to express gratitude and amazement at the fact did you know arc fact our city this city Toronto that's one of the reasons that that I was so motivated to continue the lectures because we actually put together a sequence of tours what we didn't plan yes and and use your strip personality and we're adding up groups and trying to administer justice via collectively it's a team me is complete it's a complete miracle truly is and I remind people of the unlikelihood of that constantly in the lectures and ask them to be great the of of conflict I see frequently on your various sites that you do list up and that's that's another great counter the the environmental crowd and I don't take all this more peaceful than it's ever been there's no wars in the western hemisphere that's the first time since the coming of Columbus that the entire Western Hemisphere is the Russian revolution which was bloody enough to begin with but which certainly accelerated in its brutality as it expanded and you know we don't have any of that at the moment it's actually the tear everything down leave with nothing and that's certainly that certainly happens to people in universities now they they come in barely formed people who play identity politics there's no gratitude at all and that's a and it's so interesting it's so interesting to me to see that because let's say the professors lead over they put them into new situations they have relieved more suffering in some cases not maybe not more than we have caused but it's a different century they the very idea of individuality that they're opposed to that they've dispensed with and and that goes back to their to the French terrible and it's power and and all of that protects the absolute and they say everything is corrupt would you should read how you form judgments how you contrast over great lengths of time not the in tomorrow five hundred years ago if you train the minds and believe they leave they leave in tatters you know and and that's that's it's also go back to you refer should be grateful for things graduate is in short supply yes sudden and it's it's it's it's completely absent among the collectivists in the French continental ideas made their entrance into North America in all your speeches I know much get small Pete into politics politics right and and the proper response although criticism is necessary obviously criticism means well this is wrong and this is how we could fix it it doesn't mean as being pure either some of them are obviously most of them are not they're they're always having a spectacular at the high table a catastrophe the other conception of Nazism was brewing then to break right right right right the scenes ed next there were asked to free we're already at were they were and also of course the same thing with full of generating a candidate who can actually take on trump and I think there's a disappointment even among the enemies of the Democrats that so profound away and around the wall it's four feet away in another wallet another wall is just sequential walls and this edge of the sequential walls is a huge army that it generates precisely vitriol it's like the man is is is is characterized by manifold flaws and I'm not saying this in status a viable alternative I mean my poor friend who I said this has been following this and it's been deeply involved in the debates he's just he's just tearing out his the people in the street the guy who called me about you that's a class and its vast class yes it is that's the great fifty percent yep one of the reasons that the people who hate the Democrats in the United States truly hate right there there's just vitriol because they've proved themselves in Cape trump comes in and more power to them for that matter you he is talking investing and that's another absolute heresy he's not because Parker being insulting yes and after a while the social pressure bills and this jayme that's going on over here we'll have to close or something breaks yes yes hair watching degenerate should well exactly issue it's so sad you have a new age those movements they are the most protected people who've ever landed there and it's like they're standing on a hill in around the wall and it's for Louis ended the more this is the worst that ever be destroying the planet you pointed out very frequently certain of the technology is certain of the advances of the civilization that people August trump was an attempt to break into brexit was another that's right and Brexit was an Australia illustrate I'll let you one more question only full for the fact that you think you look one hundred years ago 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