Part Two: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers
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Every new podcast August watch out for years. Welcome back to behind the bastards. The only podcast passed on the Internet. That you are listening to right now. Presumably using mobile podcasts at once I'm concerned Yeah Yeah Yeah I would no way but it's not impossible no way retaining anything. You're missing a lot. Yes and this is a podcast about the worst people in in all of history. And we're doing a bit of an odd episode because we're focusing a lot On on some folks who I think are are pretty cool dudes But last episode was to build old up to the bastards who tried to destroy them so this episode about the FBI and law enforcement tried to take down the Black Panther other party My guest part two as with part one is prop propaganda a hip hop artist. In podcast. Or Yourself Yo Yo. I'm just glad to be here smiling so much to have you here. We've been really happy to have your perspective and excited to get into the rest of this so we talked about the Mulford Act in the last episode which which stopped the Black Panthers from carrying loaded weapons in the State California But did not stop the Black Panthers from loving themselves some firearms Weapons training stockpiling. It remained a big part of what they did and I found an archive of magazines published by the Black Panther community news service which was like their essentially they're media network And one issue from nineteen sixty nine included this cartoon Which Sophie can show you? Yeah and I guess I can describe it. You can describe if you'd like to describe it. Yes so this is from the the Black Panther. They take my laptop magazine that they ran. Yeah magazines so it's like it's aren't familiar with their style of animation mation but it's like thick animation style illustrations like thick like out black outlined characters like that are just kinda shaded in Grays And yellow orange letters in blue letters. It's like a black family we I think that's a child but the child looks like an adult animation style. And it's kind of like a cartoon or like a like a comic strip but the brothers brother's got a good fro. Both the brothers got a good fro. Assist is a got a nice little hair wrap on. Yeah I must say yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. What's what's going on in cartoon It says so. Dad's got his hand on the shoulders of Little Homey and he says son. What do you want for Christmas? I can't really make out what to read. What the son says he wants for Christmas? A machine gun a shotgun a box of hand grenades a box walks of dynamite and I think a box of handguns is the sixty nine hundred sixty nine. And then there's some stuff written around the edges of the cartoon including off the pig blow oink oink away and snipe the hawks do Yeah Yeah W. A. Right here. Yeah really intense. Yes on his way to like the after police Yeah Yeah and violence against the police. This was a constant refrain in in Black Panther periodicals and it was usually framed as necessary self defense against an oppressive and violent force in there. Is this kind of unavoidably. Would it be gleeful tone. And some of the discussions against violence against law enforcement. which I think is really uncomfortable for a lot of particularly kind of middle of the road? Centrist political people to due to to deal with To to like except but There's there's a reason for this. Yeah Yeah they're in. That's what this episode is about is like dry. There was so much paranoia and hatred of the police not justice sort of like the violence against against Blackpool by law enforcement but specifically because the panthers new the police were targeting them And as the sixties turned into seventies an increasing amount of their anti law unfortunate rhetoric focused on the Federal Bureau of Investigations. And I found a really interesting website. Black power in American history It appears to be a graduate student project from UNC. See a Chapel Hill and they analyzed piles of old Black Panther magazines and noted they would claim that if the Black Panthers did not join or follow a particular course of action. Disaster will result an example sample of this was seen in the article published on January Ninth Nineteen seventy-one when it read when a pig is caught dirty snooping and shows you his badge and begs for mercy mercy him to death with the butt of your gun towards the bottom it also reads kill the pigs before they kill you. The pigs here are referring to undercover FBI agents that were sent to infiltrate the Party and cause internal unrest and again. This is really uncomfortable. Rhetoric for a lot of folks to read but it wasn't it wasn't just spawned from bloodthirsty nece the FBI and the police were engaged in an active battle to destroy the Black Panthers into murder. Many of their leaders in this period of time and a lot of folks would have just called them. Conspiratorial would have said they were sort of making stuff up because they're paranoid All of these fears were proved valid by documentation. That later came out which we'll get to at the end of this episode. There's a a good tie into like modern time especially like you know the the the community that spawned the hip hop music that most most of US kind of consider golden age. I these were our dads are moms like so even just like you know eighty song from. NWEA the police like this is injust. It's hard it's hard if you're not here to understand that like you know ice t's cop killer it's like okay you. You think that this is a like a honorable like officer position. That job is a job of person that carries prestige and honor. It's like that is not our experience with the police your experiences this is another gang right. It's just the law protects them you know so you have this attitude towards him. There's another song by I feel like your your your taste in hip hop would know if I'd say J. Dila you know what I'm saying so like you like more of the obscure doom tree stuff. I'll be listening to listen. You know saying you know Takes J. J. diller who has also has a semiconductor police in the ideas like the backstory of that song was like there was false tip that he was engaged in some criminal activity and the police raided his mom's basement. You know destroyed with all these things. It's like destroyed hard drive stuff like this guy's like recording albums for you know Tribe called quest like he's recording albums for for BUSTA rhymes. Sounds like all these like main major like like you guys asked Hurrell Timberland produces. They're all like we got our swing from J.. Diller you know an unlike in Delhi so Dila wrote this guy like you just rated my so. He made that song that day like after the police raided his mom's basement and destroy Roy just volumes and volumes of music. That none of us will never get now. You know what I'm saying So the attitudes like you're you're bullies. You're not policing us you are bullies. You know so i. It's it's hard not to respond that way but so if you understand I was a long statement but if you understand like our relationship with law and I say this as somebody who's like my brother's a highway patrol officer you know what I'm saying like we have law enforcement in our family you you know but the institution since this day like course through our veins our grandparents our great grandparents father's others you know what I'm saying like this is our relationship with the police. Sorry that just as so triggering no I just and just as a way to kind of make that point just into the modern era because we're talking but decades ago and most of this episode I've had a two thousand fifteen article in the Washington Post About civil asset forfeitures. which is what happens when police take your stuff? Without recourse of course versus burglary doesn't fourteen Police civil asset forfeiture totaled more than five billion dollars worth of property. She took five billion dollars is worth property with no recourse really from people burglaries accounted for less than four billion dollars. Worth of theft. GATT does so like when you're making that comparison between police the burglars. There's some numbers you can throw out. That are very compelling Yeah that's that's probably enough for now. Yeah so in Nineteen fifty-six the FBI launched its co Intel pro operation Co Intel pro usually see it written in all caps is one word. It's an acronym initially aimed at targeting. Getting Communist organizers in the United States it was later expanded to strike at groups like the KKK but Thanks in large part to J. Edgar Hoover in the late nineteen sixties the F. B. I.. Cohen pro operations focused increasingly and primarily on the Black Panthers. This was a sophisticated and complex operation. Hoover himself wrote one of our primary. Mary aims and counterintelligence as it concerns the key is to keep the group isolated from the moderate black and white community which may support it. And I'm going to quote again from the Book Black Against Empire here. The federal agents sought to create factionalism among the party leaders in between the panthers and other black political organizations. FBI operatives forged documents. Paid provocateurs is to promote violent conflicts between Black Panther leaders as well as between the Party and other black nationalist organizations and congratulated themselves in these conflicts yielded the killing of panthers and Co Intel pro sought to lead the party into unsupportable actions creating opposition to the BP on the part of the majority of the residents of the ghetto areas for example agent provocateurs. Tour's on the government payroll supplied explosives to panther members and sought to incite them to blow up public buildings and they promoted kangaroo courts encouraging panther members to torture inspected informants. Yeah yes so. That's it so that's so you know illuminating because it's like you're in the room it's like you're in a room with like rational people even somebody else from the back you should just punch him in the pot you just like who said that right. And then everybody goes you there about their about punching in the but like like well who first of all who punches in the button number one. You know what I'm saying. But then but just then planting these people to push them in the places that make other people uncomfortable and then that becomes the narrative yeah is clearly so effective yeah. It was very effective in very insidious. Yeah and we'll get into the numbers a little bit later of how much they spent on this for a specific example of how this process worked and we need to turn to nineteen sixty eight when J. Edgar Hoover sent a memorandum to fourteen FBI field offices noting that a state of gang warfare existed between a group called the US organization a Black Nationalist Group and the panthers. There's now us is a complicated organization. they're founder among other things. Is that the guy who created Kwanza And we're not GONNA do them justice in this episode for today's as purposes. What's important to know? Is that US in. The Panthers had a lot of disagreements on how to achieve black liberation and they competed aggressively for new recruits Through a network of informants the the FBI learned this and hoover noted that they'd seen evidence that there had been threats of murder between some members he took notice of. This ordered what he called imaginative and hard hitting counterintelligence our intelligence measures aimed at crippling the be in order to fully capitalize in his words on the rivalry and exploit all avenues of creating further dissension the FBI ordered its informants in US To tell members when the BP planned to have events that US could also show up and both in organizations would wind up in conflict. They did whatever are they could to stoke hatred between both groups including having their paid informants spread rumors about either side to the other group rumors about like them. They're being hits planned murders Raising the temperature that was the goal And this all came to a boil At an event your father was at January seventeenth nineteen sixty nine When Apprentice Carter and John Huggins were gunned down by US members on the UCLA campus? Yeah it just just. It's like junior high all over again only with like murder. Yeah extent you know yeah. It's so sad man. Yeah POPs was at that anyway. Continue sorry the Black Panther seemed to instinctively know what was going on And their magazines declared the murders a political killing They pointed out that US received government funding and had a working relationship with the police. The also noted that seventeen panthers were arrested in the immediate wake of the murders while it took much longer for the law to get take action against the actual killers were members of us Now only some of the FBI HIS Co.. Until pro fucker has been declassified at this point so we'll never know oh the exact extent to which the bureau planned all this. There are allegations that what happened at UCLA was an ordered hit others were argue that the FBI definitely intended for there to be murdered but they weren't trying to stoke specific murders so they wanted to raise the temperature to wear murders were inevitable. But they weren't saying on this date. Kill these people. There's also allegations that they were in fact saying on this date eight kill. These people ops debate. It's my belief was like yeah. They had a list. This who supposed to die you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And we can verify that they absolutely specifically intended to stoke violence wrote. We want to make these people kill each other like that that that we know To to appoint of certainty whatever the truth about how specific they were about the violence. They wanted The violence like happened. It was very much stoked by the FBI on May twenty third and nine hundred sixty nine Black Panther John Savage was killed by us. Members Sylvester Bell was murdered in August. Now most of the information behind all this didn't come out until a series of court battles in the late nineteen seventies so particularly like white people. Reading about this at the time would have just said. Oh these these black liberation groups are also violent violent. Look at what they're doing to each other ignoring the fact that it was their F. B. I.. Stoking all this yeah. I found a really good at New York Times. Article From nineteen seventy eighty six. When this started to come out that goes into detail about everything here and it notes that the bureau working with the Chicago? Police Department also sought to create violent divisions between the panthers and the Blackstone Rangers which are now a much more complicated organization at that point. Were a street gang in Chicago. Yeah quote for example. A fake note was sent to the leader of the street gang. Jeff Jeff Four telling him the panthers hostility towards his group saying they're supposed to be a hit out for you in noting that that this meant there was probably a contract to kill someone the Chicago F. B. I.. Office office set in a memorandum to headquarters that the letter may intensify the degree of animosity between the two groups and occasion forced to take retaliatory action. which could disrupt the BP or lead to reprisals cels against their leadership so the sins this fake letter about a hit and specifically? We're hope we think this is going to make them angrier at each other and might stoke violence and that's go. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's just it's just like can we just like okay acknowledged that like week. You can't make this stuff up. No you can't make this stuff up you know it's one thing that's really frustrating about this is that it. It spreads so far even outside love among the entire left-wing activists community. I spent a lot of time in that community For my work and there are constant modern fears about Cohen. To- pro stuff. Union like like white activist group primarily white activist groups of FBI informants and stuff like you find this like this fear among like a lot of members of anti fascist street groups right. Now that there's agent provocateur you too and maybe there are like it's like that's thing they did it. There is precedence. Yes Yeah Yeah Yeah. There's really no limit to what you might be worried. The FBI will do Ludi your activist group because this shit happened. Yeah yeah now. I'm going to quote again from that New York Times article. The report portrays a campaign in which the bureau used a legion of Informers. Sometimes it's provocateurs close cooperation with local police. Anti radical squads to sow confusion fear and dissension among the panthers cartoons attacking them purportedly from rival groups expr- distributed to aggravate antagonisms. Stories were planted with newspaper and television outlets put the panthers and their supporters in a bad light. Bogus messages were sent to cause rifts between the party and its white leftist supporters so this was a comprehensive campaign. Imagine this in like the Internet age. Just be like yeah just trolls attacking your comments section for the the purpose of Yeah it'll be thirty years. Yeah Anyway Yeah We. It'll probably probably be a few years before the extent to which that stuff's going on out now and you know what to be entirely honest. It's possible that none of it now is the FBI that it's all for example. Government government like private corporations attracted by government agencies. Or whatever like who knows. Yeah the FBI's probe campaign seriously disrupted the Black Panthers but it did not stop them from expanding. Throughout the late sixties early nineteen seventies. The organization was under constant stress. Though in this was not helped by the fact that for some strange reason it's leaders kept getting imprisoned in assassinated why started committing crimes is just off the rails. Yeah I think we'll start on this subject subject by talking about what happened to Hugh EP Newton's yeah on October twenty seventh nineteen sixty seven. He walked down to his girlfriend's House on Telegraph Avenue in Oakland and it was a Friday night and they were going to party but she wound up feeling sick and instead linton per car to take out on the town he had a drink at the bar and then went to a church social where he danced until around two Liam then he drove to a party which left at around four. Am that early morning October. Twenty Eighth Officer John Fray of the Oakland police was sitting in his squad car he saw Huey drive drive past and recognized his plates. We don't know precisely if the bureau had local cops keeping tabs on Huey was FBI directed operation or if the Oakland cops on their own were just is wanting to fuck with huey either is entirely possible but without any apparent cause John Fray made one of the last mistakes of his life he pulled Huey p Newton over here's how SF Jeff Weekly describes. What happened next officer? Herbert C Haynes rolled up on the scene shortly after Frei had radioed for backup the officers told Newton to get out of the bug and marched him to the back of Hanes is is patrol car Newton and phrase started scuffling on the trunk of his car. A gun went off. Hanes was hitting the right forearm. Hanes fired back. Hitting Newton in the gut. More shots were fired. He's I was shot three times and survived. Newton took that bullet to the gut and fled the scene with mckinney. which is a friend he was with freight was shot? Five Times died he had been on the force for a little over a year and had a three year zero daughter. He was only twenty three but all of them involved in the melee. Were well under thirty. Now we don't know what actually happened. Newton claims to have blacked out after being shot which which totally reasonable and speculates that the COP shod each other and all of the recovered bullets came from police. Revolvers speculation on what went down raiders from Huey grabbing a COP's gun and shooting them both to him resisting when the cops started beating him and then them shooting each other in error To An attempted assassination if you buy the Oakland PD gone horribly wrong. I don't know what exactly went down but I do. Think additional context on officer. James Fray is useful here and I'M GONNA quote from Black Against Empire Fray had been implicated located in numerous incidents of racism h Bruce Bison. An English teacher who invited free to speak about. Police work to his class at Clayton Valley. High School reported that Frei had told the class that in words in the neighborhood he patrolled were a lot of bad types and the trial eventually held to adjudicate the events of that early morning. Elford dunning accountant for Prudential Life. Insurance testified that Frei had recently harassed him during a traffic accident and when dunning complained that fray was acting like a stop-go free loosened his holster put his hand on his gun and said I am the Gestapo Dapo into the police car not out best. Yeah that's the quiet Bart. Ah Yes earlier. On the evening that Huey Newton and gene mckinney drove to soul food on seventh street fray had intervened in a dispute between a black grocery clerk named Daniel King and a white man without pants on who claimed king had stolen his pants as quoting two kings Frei called him in word and held his arm so the white man could beat him. So this is the guy who winds winds up. I don't have trouble believing that it was self defense. It's entirely possible that both of them fucked up Or that both of them were trying to kill Huey and shot each other. Yeah who has any scenario works. Yeah but obviously Huey EP. Newton gets charged with murder as a result of of the shooting. Death of officer James Bright And in prison he became a living martyr to the Black Panthers. There was a rally rally on his twenty sixth birthday February Seventeenth nineteen sixty eight that brought more than six thousand people to the Oakland arena. H Rap Brown and black power activist told the crowd the the only thing that is going to free. Huey Newton is gun powder and this actually wound up being an accurate. He received his day in court which revealed among other things. Frei had a list of twenty Black Panther vehicles on the dashboard of his car. When he died he was initially convicted of voluntary manslaughter and sent to prison? But in May of nineteen eighteen seventy that conviction was reversed after the California Court of Appeals Down significant errors in the trial. He would be tried two more times. Both trials ending and jury deadlocks before he was eventually cleared cleared of all charges in nineteen. Seventy one so he has cleared by the courts but he loses two years of his life to the prison My mom used to 'cause yeah. My mom used to call me h rap brown just for. She's doing for jokes. You H rap brown whenever I was talking about black stuff anyway. Those funny now. Bobby Seale also caught serious legal trouble in nineteen sixty-nine as a result of his participation in the nineteen sixty eight Chicago riots over the Democratic Credit National Convention that years. DNC occurred in one of the most famous periods in American history and again. This is another thing that we probably should do. A whole episode about like not GonNa get into enough detail on the sixty eight riot. Yeah the short story. Is that Bobby Kennedy who was like the progressive icon. At the time had been gunned down the night. He won the California primary Hubert Humphrey. The former vice president hadn't actually participated in any of the primaries but was favored to become the candidate during the convention because he was beloved by establishment. Democrats progressives leftist hated. Him and I am sure this is a situation that has since familiar to and yes The nineteen sixty eight riots like sort of resulted out of all this and they were nightmarish. Arish caused in large part by the fact that the Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley turned the city into what Walter cronkite called a police state leading up to the event. The police turned on left-wing protesters with unspeakable violence in the city burned. The whole ugly event is among other things. A big part of what inspired Hunter Thompson to write fear and loathing in Las Vegas. He was there at the time and it it was just this big. Ugly nightmare largely instigated by state violence against protestors who were unhappy that the DNC had picked basically a conservative guy to run against fucking Nixon. Yeah Yeah Yeah and in nineteen and a for a little bit of context all of the people who know their history right now are fucking terrified fide the DNC and to me. It's going to be another sixty eight Chicago same. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I felt like watching the last eight hours like A. Ah Go again. We'll be bringing my helmet. Yeah in one thousand nine hundred. Sixty nine bobby. Seale was arrested for conspiracy to incite riots at the DNC and he was likely targeted for this because you know he was a co founder of the Black Panthers and the FBI wanted him dead or in prison. And ideally both The court refused to let seal choose. Choose his own lawyer when he spoke up and complained that his constitutional rights were being violated. The judge ordered him bound and gagged so he is bound and gagged during his own trial in terms of how. Yeah Yeah. That's another one of those like okay. Play some SPA music. Think about that second just really ruminate on ruminate on the fact that this man was not allowed to pick his own lawyer yeah and then when he complained about it. They gagged him. And you tell me so which one of us is like oppressive. Oh president violent which one of us is violent. You know now when he did. Get to speak Bobby repeatedly called the judge government attorneys racists fascists and lying pigs this. This was pretty true in my opinion. Not Eight in his defense bobby out loud just like let's play play a long game. He was sentenced to four years in prison and he served twenty one months before his conviction was reversed and he was freed in nineteen seventy-one so again he has almost almost two years. Stolen from you Now while all this was going on the panthers were taking huge sums of money The arrest of Huey p Newton in particular drew in enormous amounts of donations as thousands of men and women joined all across the country. The fundraisers grew more and more successful in as it tends to do all this money caused massive disagreements and fights between different chapters of the party. The New York chapter being the most successful fundraisers were particularly incensed that they had not been allowed to keep what they thought was their fair share of the money they'd raised for the group These were this sort of disagreement that any kind of political organization is going to have especially as they grow and start up and they could have been smoothed over but for the fact that a large chunk of the most respected Panther leadership. Your ship the men who might have been able to work these conflicts out. We're in prison. Or in the case of Fred Hampton dead. Can't we now. 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Only at a sleep number store or sleepnumber dot dot com slash iheart that sleepnumber dot com slash iheart sleep number's official sleep and wellness partner of the NFL. All right I couldn't wait to get to Fred Hampton. I feel like I've been sitting here wondering why you were getting antsy and they're different Because when you get the three it's like this is the trinity that like paints the best pitcher as to how they got destroyed. Because it's like it's like you ask ten different panthers is what the Black Panthers where you only get ten different answers you know pinning on which one of these figureheads you're appealing to you. Know what I'm saying So that's why I was like you got to have the third a person doesn't make don't make sense. Yeah Yeah Yeah and we you know I. It was one of those things I had to debate. Include Fred Hampton in part one or part two and I thought it was best to kind of lay the groundwork in one and then bring up because hacking life is so tied in with the police violence because his story I tied with like the Black Messiah stuff like it's you have to wait till they don't because he's the most like likeable if you will all of them so it's like build the narrative and then it's like Oh God now there's a guy that's likable. Yeah Yeah So. Let's let's talk. I mean I find Huey A.. And Bobby Pretty Likable too. Yeah Fred hand is the charismatic guy. Yes so fred. Hampton was born on August thirtieth nineteen forty eight and he grew up in the suburbs of Chicago He was gifted academically physically from a very young age At one point dreamed of playing for the Yankees but as he grew into young man and the injustice evident around him in America made anything that a revolutionary career impossible for Fred. And I'M GONNA quote now from twitter threat. I found on Fred Hampton by Michael. Oh Harriet who is a senior writer at the root and he knows a lot about Hampton and you know obviously. It's a twitter thread. I did do my work like double jeopardy claims and stuff. And he's very accurate here so I'm going in a quote from him like the others he's referring to the other. Black Panther leaders Hampton started out with mainstream black organizations. By the time he was a teenager he was organizing his own youth chapter of the in double ACP in his small Illinois suburb in a single year he had five hundred members of this. Sounds like hype. Consider this when Hampton attended his first Black Panther Party meeting in November nineteen eighteen sixty eight the FBI had already opened a file on him a year earlier. His phone had been tapped for nine months he'd been designated as a key leader on the FBI's agitator index checks for five months before he ever joined the party. He's just he's a g like that's did what it's like. You take all of the best attributes attributes of everybody so far and then you're like put it in a guy who has like the entertaining ability of like Michael Jackson uses like you can lose you know. So that's he gives me chills when I think about his ability electrify a room. Yeah yeah and he's a really recommend like pulling up videos some find them a Fred Hampton speaking and addressing crowds like. He's he was very good at it. and My uncle in that threat argues that the F. B. I. Recognized Hamptons exceptional nature and that they were terrified he would rise to become a national figure. And there's a lot of backing for this argument He in particular sites and memo from Herbert Hoover himself Discussing the goals of the program and it included as their number two goal. And I'm going to quote directly from the FBI. Here everybody you take a breath citation yes. Number to prevent the rise of Messiah who who could unify and electrify the militant. Black Nationalist Movement Malcolm. X. might have been such a messiah he is the martyr of the movement today. Martin Luther King Stokely Carmichael and Elijah Muhammad all aspired this position. Elisha Mohamed is less of a threat because of his age king could be a real contender for this position should he abandoned his supposed obedience to white liberal doctrines nonviolence an embrace black nationalism. Carmichael has the necessary talk about Joe. Boys is the yeah the white liberal thought dog. Yeah go yeah. Yeah if you've ever needed evidence of sort of the value of the armed revolutionary wing the civil rights movement. Yes it's the fact the FBI was like thank God. Martin Luther King's chill. Hey cool let let let king talk. Don't let that do doc. We had to shoot him a lot earlier. Yeah Right Oh man. So Hampton in his early. Well he didn't have a long career. Unfortunately but Hampton early in his career he worked to broker peace deals between various gangs and Chicago and came very close to getting the Blackstone Rangers a heavily armed organization with as many as eight thousand dozen members to join the Black Panthers now the FBI considered that possibility an enormous threat and they devoted significant resources to fomenting anger between both groups going as far as forging a death threat to the leader of the blacks donation. We talked about a little bit in part one a in early nineteen sixty nine. Fred Hampton set up the first panther free food distribution in Chicago. He got in trouble around this time due to a confusing series of events with an ice cream truck and again depending on who you listen to. He either stole a bunch of ice cream from an ice cream truck to give out the poor kids Hijack a truck and beat. It's driver or had nothing at all to do with the robbery of seventy one dollars worth of ice cream in any case an ice cream truck driver claimed. You've been beaten up by kids while Fred Stolle is from his truck And again you gotta be real fucking careful when you listen to charges against any of these guys because we know what was going on yeah yes And even even if it was true it's like yeah okay so take that same event and put it in like toad Suck Arkansas which is the city of performed in believe it or not and it's just funny. It's like you know what dude is hot out here. You know I gotTa dial you know distract the guy while we get some drumsticks. You know what I'm saying like it more like it's mischievous you know what I'm saying like I'm not trying to like why. Yes you know what I'm saying A. and minimize a crime. But it's like this. It's like it's mischievous is you. Can't get mischievous and Fred Hampton you. Yeah yeah now now. Hampton was arrested for this charged with robbery and assault while he waited for his trial. Fred organized a free breakfast for Children Program in Chicago in. Its first two weeks at Fed more than eleven eleven hundred grade school kids and earned a huge amount of community support for the panthers. Hampton was convicted of robbery and assault in April. But thanks to a good attorney he was released from jail on two thousand one dollars. Bail Fred immediately held a press conference where he declared that the Black Panther Party was acting in the interests of the people whom the government ignored oppressed quote. Our case should be taken can to the people and the people will not tolerate any oppressive system or force that attempts to jail the very people who feed their hungry children. Now Hampton Next organized realized mock trial with a group of white leftists known as the new left and he gave in that trial what would become one of his most famous speeches. SAYING WE'RE GONNA fight racism not not with racism but with solidarity not gonNA fight capitalism with black capitalism. But we're GONNA fight it with socialism. We're not GONNA fight reactionary pigs with any reaction in our part we're GONNA fight their reaction option when all of us get together and have an international proletarian revolution the most you weigh the FBI was not the most level headed sure response to be like look manage the you know in and in that sense. It's like it's show sort of. Even though there was differences in the solution there was a common thread through a lot of these thinkers of just being like look man like. I don't know if there's going straight this way is gonNA work. I don't know straight going this way. It's GonNa work but like you know you can't. You can't defeat racism racism manages. Doesn't you know although that's what that's what I want. That's what people what they wanted us to believe about the Black Black Panthers Y'all racist and he's like no you don't understand that's not gonNA that's not gonNA get us to. Our conclusion is more racism. I think that's important to notice that. But those were the words you know. And that's the guy that they're like. He's worst enemy Fred. succeeded in building a broad base of support in Chicago Including people of all races and backgrounds. This got the attention of Panther National Leadership. Bobby Seale flew down to Chicago to attend one of Fred's events he gave a speech their wherein. He said I'm so so thirsty. For Revolution I'm so crazy about the people we're going to stand together. We're going to have a black army a Mexican American army and Alliance in solidarity with progressive whites all of us. And we're GONNA in a march on this pig power structure and we're going to say. Stick them up motherfucker we come for what's ours. Love Him. Come up motherfucker. Yeah Man. Can I throw in a little history. We lesson here hell. Yeah okay. I really like 'cause I don't like it when someone steals your thunder on the show so I don't I don't want to do that could no. No no you're here too because you you know more about a lot of aspects of this than I do so yup. Yeah so like you know towards the end of like Dr King's like work especially the one that the event that ended at the I have a dream speech where he was on his way for more to talk about really was what you said. Was this idea of saying we need to build this coalition because the system itself is trying to keep us out of this then he does it. Does this whole this whole diatribe about like okay. You know talking about the Homestead Act Jaka Google but he was talking about the homestead act. Like okay okay. So to lift like poor white people out of serfdom was like the government was handing out land grants to people to come bill farms. If you know what she was doing government would train you. They pay to train you if you had no tools to work at government pay for you to had no tools. He's like these are social programs at the government has done. He's like these are the same people who look at us us and say you need to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. And he's like you need to stop asking for government handouts. He's like the government's been handing out money to yard his whole time. So when we go oh to. DC WE GONNA get our check because well because us just trying to to to to just tell you to stop being a racist or is trying to change your mind about who you are just trying to fight you just forget it. Let's do it ourselves back as no listen. This is what you said. The country is this is what you said it was and this is what we're coming to do so for for for the government to look at or for the FBI to say we'll Fred Hampton and saying this. I'm like able to boy. Your boy king was saying the same thing family like he was he was actually. He said the same it does it. Ross Perot and it's it's interesting that the guys who were saying that same thing didn't didn't get a lot of time to say it. No yeah and I don't know enough about the The the the murder of Martin Luther King or these assignation Martin Luther King to talk about the conspiracy theories you might say around it. Yeah but I will say there's definitely reason into be suspicious about what kind of government involvement there might have been absolutely Also totally possible a racist. Might you know or I like yeah. Hey back back yeah. It's not out of anyway. So By may twenty sixth nineteen sixty nine Fred. Hampton's free breakfast program was feeding more than three thousand children. On that day. He was sentenced to two to five years in prison for his little ice cream truck escapade he appealed though was led out on an appeal bond by the Supreme Court of Illinois in July of Nineteen. Sixty nine Fred. Hampton embarked on his most ambitious plan yet He held the conference for a united front against Fascism which he billed as an attempt to build build a rainbow coalition. He brought a lot of different people together but focused on bringing in poor people of all different races particularly gang members. Hampton told them that no matter who they were the root of their oppression was the same and they would need to work together to confront issues. Like police brutality and poor public housing and teen vogue actually has a really good right up on this. That I'm GONNA quote from now Hampton the other panthers like section leader. Bobby Lee made the case that as poor people trying to survive mayor. Richard J Daley's racially segregated city. They had had more in common with each other than not the banded together to protect members from the cops fight against police brutality run healthcare clinics feed the homeless and poor kids and connect people with legal help if they were dealing with abusive abusive landlords or police. We did security for the Panthers along with other panthers seventy year. Old High Thurman a member of the Y.. Peo told Teen Vogue from his home in Alabama. Here's a bunch of hillbillies doing you know security for black people and Black Panthers Thurman said that was shocking for a lot of people out of respect for the Panthers Young Patriots which grid of a street gang called the Peacemakers. I decided to stop wearing the confederate flag. Meanwhile the Young Lords for granted issues impacting immigrants from Latin America and citizens who moved from Puerto Rico birthplace of the CO founder. Jose Jose cha-cha Gimenez the introduced the slogan Tengo. Puerto Rico in me in the fight for Puerto Rican self determination. so He's getting together. Yeah Hillbilly White Gangs Puerto Rican Hispanic gangs black gangs and being like we all have the same problems and we can all fight together to deal with them. Yeah Birdie and it's not like not like the. I mean. This isn't good like you know what I'm saying like like wait. That's not good like wouldn't you desire. I mean like I just don't understand why this is a problem New York. Well I mean it's because they prefer it if these gangs are shooting shooting at each other because they realized they all have more in common they start looking at the actual person fucking over. That's it suddenly. We got a real threat. Hey you know you kill each other. We ain't got to do the work for you. Just you know so. Listen this. Take Heed young gangsters. Yes now all of this scared the hell out of of J. Edgar Hoover. He directed his men to quote. Destroy what they stand for and a radical. It served the people programs. I gotTa say if you're talking about a radical leading eating serve the people programs. You might be the bad guy. Thank you might be reading historial role. Maybe you wrong side of this one. You know it's a real are. Are we the batteries moment. Made a minute let me right Like Oh damn yeah yeah we are. We are leaving out a lot because the story of all of the Shit That the police and the FBI did to take down. Fred Hampton. We could do a two parter just on that This guy had almost as much thrown at him. As Bobby Seale and he'll EP Newton did combined. It's remarkable for our purposes today. We're going to focus on the actions of FBI. Informant William O'Neil now as soon as Fred Hampton Forms Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers. The bureau sent O.`Neil into infiltrate it and he was good at his job. O'Neill was renowned as a hard worker. Although he worried other panthers with his obsession for violence at one point he built an electric chair for the panthers to use to torture. Informers which was disassembled. Disassembled on Fred. Hampton's orders was obviously like an F. B. I.. An attempt for them to like get the panthers to torture People's arrest them for torture sheesh. Yeah and Hamptons like what. What the fuck are you doing building an electric fucking electric chair? I'M GONNA quote now from a write up in the nation for this next bit quote not simply an informant. O.`Neil tried to provoke others into kamikaze. Type Activities Former Panther member. Louis trulock had submitted an affidavit stating that during a visit to a neal's father's home the informer showed him putty blasting caps and plastic bottles of liquid enough material to produce several bombs. He proposed that they blow up an armory later suggested robbing McDonald's Donald's restaurant true luck on the other. Her Neal's provocative proposals rejected them as useless to the cause. Although he was infatuated with weapons and trade to involve other panthers in criminal activities. O'Neill was tolerated because he was an exceptionally hard worker around the office. Ronald Doc Satchell a Black Panther leader. Who was wounded in the raid recalls? The only person who didn't want O'Neill in the panthers authors was Fred Hampton now the electric chair and the bombs were part of a series of schemes O.`Neil hats to try and trap Hampton on behalf of the FBI. None of them worked though because Hampton was very smart and eventually the police were left with exactly one option for dealing with Fred Cold blooded murder in November of nineteen sixty nine and William O'Neil provided the FBI with detailed floor plan of the Black Panther headquarters which doubled as Fred Hampton's home. The map included a red X.. Over his bed at four forty thirty. Five am Sergeant Daniel Growth of the Chicago police department knocked on the door of the Black Panther headquarters. What exactly happened next is debated but we know that for the next seven minutes the the police pumped roughly a hundred rounds into the building? Only one bullet was fired in response by a Black Panther Mark Clark Age twenty two both Clark and Fred Hampton were shot dead. Fred died in his bed from two point blank. Gunshots to the head. The vast majority of bullet holes in the house were centered around the location of his bed. Where William O'Neill had drawn the red x one officer was heard saying he's good and dead now is they traipse through the bloodstained office? And there is a photograph of the officer's carrying Fred Hampton's body from the building. It's one of the more disgusting things I've ever seen. Two of the officers are visibly gritting and we. We've got a photograph yourself you can show you. We'll put it up on the I've seen it. It's important yeah. Yeah it's important according to see these men's faces. Yeah this and that the the map with the red x or something that like sits in our psyche you know because images just it just burns in you know what I'm saying when you see and you know like that's what is that man's bed. Yeah Yeah yeah the for the listeners that the you would think that they just like left there like local bar and just like each other like that's the way they look on a slot machine. Yeah Yeah Yeah so true. Speaking of doing well on a slot machine following the raid William O'Neill was given a three hundred dollar bonus by the FBI. And now today the assassination of Fred Hampton is basically universally agreed by scholars and legal experts as well as activists to have been a political assassination. The Nation organized and orchestrated by the FBI. There is really zero disagreement about this fact between credible people who studied however in mainstream coverage of the raid. You still still run into people who will equivocate on this fact a Chicago Tribune article. I read about the assassination stated in the two years before the raid police. Panthers had engaged in eight gunbattles nationally. In which three three police officers and five panthers died four of the shootouts including one in which police officers were killed occurred in Chicago to try and make the case that like there was reason for the police to be super antsy. See about this whole thing is like when people say hey. Will you know these street gangs or these three violent too. They're shooting they're schouten so we're shooting. I'm like yeah but you know they're gangsters. Yeah Yeah Yeah. They're shooting but aren't you the police like aren't you supposed to carry yourself the level of integrity. You telling me Yo. Barb integrity is a street gang. That's what you're telling me right now. You know so even if I'm just saying like even if that was is your reasoning I'm like yeah but you're the cops though. Yeah it one thing. That's interesting to me that maybe I can leave a little bit of homework for the listener. Go sit down and in and look up Google all the people who were killed in mass shootings in the history of the United States of like the shootings but like mashes where some nut with a gun decides to murder murderer a bunch of strangers. Add that number together and then figure out how many people were shot dead by the police in two thousand nineteen alone on no figure out which of those numbers is larger John. That a homework for now The article that I found the Chicago Tribune also counts the firearms the panthers there's hat on the property. Nineteen and the number of rounds over a thousand as if any of that justifies. What was done those wrong legally owned guns and I have more firearms and ammunition in my house? Sitting being five feet from me. The Black Panthers had in their house at that point. Yeah like that's not a lot. No nineteen sizable number of guns for one person but it was multiple people's weapons thous and rounds is not a lot and those gunfights with police had no connection to Fred Hampton other than that he was a panther too And despite the murders in the FBI Fuck Korea and a counterintelligence operations by nineteen seventy the black. Panthers had offices in sixty eight cities the representatives had traveled to meet with Communist leaders in North Vietnam. North Korea and China some panthers had set up shop Algeria. And we're not gonNA have enough time really to go into all of the international divisions of this. Yeah and speaking. The of International Sophie is signaling to me that it's time for an ad break from the international corporations that sponsor this podcast all right globalism Globalist Alex Jones Voices on point. They do. Here's the thing saving money with. 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Nine hundred seventy would would prove to be the black panthers highpoint and again there's a number of reasons for this police repression disruption of the leadership and stuff had a lot to do with it I should did not. And it's very fair to note that it was not just police in state violence that we're responsible for the decline of the Black Panthers. There were other sort of factors that played into it. And I'm going to quote from Black Against Empire Empire again because it gives you an idea of some of these other factors the resilience of the Black Panthers. Politics depended heavily on support from three broad constituencies blacks opponents of the Vietnam War and revolutionary governments internationally without the support of these allies. The Black Panther Party could not withstand repressive actions against the by the state but beginning in nineteen sixty nine steadily increasing through nineteen seventy political transformations undercut the self interest. That motivated these constituencies to support the panthers. Politics as mainstream Democratic leaders opposed the war and Nixon scaled back back. The military draft blacks one broader social access and political representation and revolutionary governments entered diplomatic relations with the United States the panthers had greater difficulty sustaining staining allied support first major concessions by the political establishment and the Nixon administration on the Vietnam War eroded the basis of where opponents support for the panthers politics once it appeared the war would be ended through institutionalized political means those principally committed to ending the draft in war no longer shared a personal stake in radically transforming political institutions. Many now increasingly saw the panthers call for revolution is unnecessary from nineteen sixty nine onward increasing electoral representation as well as affirmative action programs in growing access to government. Unemployment and elite education also weakened the base of support for the Panthers Revolutionary Politics among blacks from the end of reconstruction eighteen seventy seven until nineteen sixty nine. No more than six black people had held a seat in the US House of Representatives at once but just two years later black representation more than doubled with thirteen people holding seats in the House of Representatives by Nineteen seventy-one one so a lot of why the panthers decline is because these groups who supported them because they were in like for their own self entry. Miltie got got what they wanted and stopped caring about this kind of revolutionary struggle for equality. Yeah Yeah my my father would say they like you know the government will always get they man you know whatever they want if the if the system decides they want you go and you're gonna be go right and unlike any would also say what you what you ain't go never mess with. is they money. Have you messing with they. Money GonNa stop it you know so this idea of of like you had this coalition. It was cool when it was like okay. Y- y'All WanNa sit at the same table as sorry. That's all right fine. You know what I'm saying. Okay Ah you want to beat you in the streets are I. Guess what I'm saying. Once you start messing with our money though you know and And in especially like our our international is like I said when you said this on the last episode when you first invited me on here I wanted like refresh my memory with like uh with with my father's experience I caught him and talk to him about it for a while so this was like the time he was in and he was saying he was saying that he would talk about like the multi tiered approach of like The the the sowing seeds of doubt of like you know even just the the idea of saying like hey you know You got this coalition but like now like Wolf. The war's over wire y'all here right. So he even even mentioned he mentioned what exactly what you were saying. It was like now till it. He's gone like what do we do. Then you had like the the the the what we what we in the slaying. Now we'll call street sweepers but it was essentially like the injunctions of like you're not allowed to gather. He was talking about like if there was two or more on the sidewalk. That constitutes a Black Panther anther meeting. So you'd be stopped by the police in like broken up because you just standing on a street corner together. You know what I'm saying. So like this multi tiered approach to like whether it was sowing seeds of doubt dividing the coalition mess with their money. Just like all of those things together If if the government decides his government decided they on won't you won't you. Yeah Yeah. Yeah and it's yeah. I'm glad you brought up like the The the the the cracking down on so-called meetings that again. That's that's what of those things like this. There was so much sure it was on. I think it was on my dock at some point. I didn't get written up absolutely important. I'm sure there's other stuff like that that I've left out because there's just so much to go over here. Yeah glad you did bring that up. the Black Panther Party was eventually dissolved in nineteen eighty two and the FBI and you know local. Federal State law enforcement cannot be blamed for all of that. Yeah but their efforts succeeded in draining huge amounts of energy from the organization killing at least twenty of its members and most importantly destroying or distracting. Its most influential leaders. Huey P Newton spent most of the nineteen seventies fighting a seemingly endless series of legal battles. There were accusations of violence and embezzling and even murder that are very hard for me to Parse Out It is possible. He committed these crimes possibly embezzled given what we know about the FBI's ever to take him down. I have a lot of difficulty giving too much credit to any of these charges. He was murdered in nineteen eighty nine by tyrone Johnson a member of the black guerrilla family prison gang and it's very difficult to not draw connections between that murder and the FBI motivated debated US killings. Yeah I don't know yeah can't Har impossible not to think about it. Did you come across like aside. No but did you come across the the ten demands of the Black Panther Party where we're getting into that today. Okay Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's that's what I wanted to end. Did you yeah. Are you going to cover like their connection connection with the founding of the CRIBS and took Williams and stuff that we're not so if you have some yeah I would. I would love to so this this window that you talked about this. Nineteen eighty-three window. Oh of like the sort of seeing you know you got these. Three dudes like seeing the destruction of the party hardy and almost like the same sort of disillusionment like damn. That didn't work either. You know what I'm saying and then you went to introduce crack and then everything changes but like that that sort of transition from the panthers dissolving to these like you know just street gangs of just like what we know as the crypts. You know what I'm saying being like you. There's a documentary called the bastard children of the Black Panther Party and is about the founding of the crypts and Oakland that window between those two sort of like so like the dissolving of that and then the birth of this you know Being a new sort of like communal police force and then and then the crack attack and waited all goes to Shit but interesting. Yeah I I had no idea about any of that. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And the whole crack in the inner cities thing in the that that's a whole nother two or three part. I don't WanNa just spout off about that. Because even among the people who are on the right track. There's a lot of misconceptions Shinzo carried out. It's very detailed. Whatever the case may be it's understood in the inner city that like yeah crack destroyed us? It's it's what made our gang's violent. You know what I'm saying and just the the the moving of drugs is what made our gang's violent. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And that's really important in context and also important context is the to really get an idea of the sheer level of of a fuck ary perpetrated against against the Black Panther Party by the FBI during the period of quinto pro of the two hundred ninety five actions the bureau took to disrupt black groups Under co Intel pro. Two hundred thirty three were taken against the panthers. The FBI paid out more than seven point. Four million dollars in bribes to Black Panther informants which is more than tw- for for context context. That's more than twice the amount of money they spent on. Bribing informants who were organized crime and form. They spend you Weiss's much money on on the Black Panthers as they did on the fucking Bob and the mob in like the sixties and seventies when Bob is like really a big deal she will mob. Yes yeah like the hard core. fucking scorsese mob. Yeah we're Scorsese mob. Yeah Yeah that I I will speak. I think I can speak for all black people. I'm like I'M GONNA limitations. I am. We are absolutely fascinated like the Irishman Irishman. Being like all the greatest movie ever like you know honored as like this like now. I'm like young Martin murderer like okay my movies too but how could like yellow so fascinated with just these like these white like gangsters like why is it. Okay aided by white gangsters. y'All said wonder how many of the people who love those movies also think think that rap music unfairly glorified criminals point. That's my boy. I'm just like why. Why are okay with this like why is this? This type entertaining. Like why is this. Okay Yeah Yeah So Yeah we've spent this episode talking about this. The incredibly Lee sweeping campaign Disrupt destroy the Black Panthers by the FBI and by law enforcement and we might not know about any of this if it weren't for the actions of eight really fucking cool dudes Led by William C Davidson a professor of physics at Haverford College in Nineteen seventy-one they spent months casing and FBI field office in Philadelphia. Elvia during the night of a major frazier Ali fight when everyone was distracted they broke into the FBI's offices with a crowbar and made out with a Carload of FBI files. Those files included numerous memos from J. Edgar Hoover on the Black Panthers and the CO Intel pro operations now the FBI tried to stop the press from writing about any of this but the Washington Post was courageous enough to flip the bird and write about. The findings inspired a blizzard of foia requests from Panthers who suddenly had confirmation that they didn't surveilled for years years all the shit. They've been writing about on our backs. No you're paranoid no look no seriously yeah yeah. For an example of what was found one member guy named Rodney Barnette received a five hundred page file on himself quote documenting his whereabouts interviewing every employer he's ever had interviewing his schoolteacher his neighbors all of his siblings and observing him getting getting on airplanes so all of this led to an investigation in nineteen seventy six by the Senate committee on Intelligence Activities The final report they issued noted the actions carried out by the F. B. I.. Under CO INTEL PRO quote would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all the targets had been involved in violent activity but but Cohen tell pro went far beyond that the unexpressed major premise of the programs was that a law enforcement agency has the duty to do whatever is necessary to combat perceived threats is to the existing social order and political order but the report stated although the claimed purpose of the program was to prevent violence its tactics quote. Were clearly intended to foster violence and many could reasonably have been expected to cause violence. The Senate concluded that the F. B. I.. Quote itself engaged in lawless tactics and responded to deep deep seated social programs by fomenting violence and unrest and part of me wants to end on that note. But I don't think I want to give the government. The last word in this episode. Even if that last word is the government condemning the actions of Zone agents are bad so for the last word in this episode. I think we should go over the Black Panthers. Ten Point Program introduced in nineteen sixty eighty six by Huey p Newton and Bobby Seale and Bobby Seale by the way we talked about Newton he died. Obviously Hampton died. Seal is still alive today. Early recording this episode has continued to be an activist. Activist ran for office a couple of times And Yeah it's still around to this day so that's at least one bit a positive So here is the ten point program what we want now number one we want freedom. We want the power to determine the destiny of our black community number two. We want full employment for our people number three. We want an into the robbery by the white men of our black community later changed to we want an end to the robbery by. The capitalists are black and oppressed communities. I four we want these in housing fit for the shelter of human beings five. We Want Education for people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society we want education that teaches us are true history and our role in the present day society six. We went all black men to be exempt from military service seven. You want an immediate end to police brutality and murder of black people eight we want freedom for all black men held in federal State County and city prisons and jails nine nine. We went all black people when brought to trial to be tried in a court by a jury of their peer group or people from their black communities as defined by the Constitution of the United States' intent ten we want land bread housing education clothing justice and Peace Now that list of demands also included a list of beliefs. Starting with we believe that black black people will not be free until we are able to determine our own destiny and included a reiteration of the panther belief in the importance of community self defense. We believe we can end police brutality and are black community community by organizing black self-defense. Groups that are dedicated to defending our black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States gives us the right right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all black people should arm themselves for self defense. There were also demands for the release of all black people incarcerated in American prisons since none of them could possibly have received received a fair trial. The whole thing ended with this paragraph winning the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected did them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws and nature's God entitle them a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes compelled them to separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident and that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain alienable rights that among these are life liberty and the pursuit unhappiness that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends. It is the right of the people to alter and abolish it and to institute new government laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its power in such a form as to them shall see most likely to affect their safety the unhappiness prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes and accordingly. All experience has shown that mankind are more supposed to suffer while evils are suffering L- than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accused but when a long train of abuses and user patients pursuing invariably the same object of instances designed to reduce them under absolute despotism. It is their right and their duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards of their future security. You may recognize that as the beginning of the declaration of independence. Yes yeah man. What a frigging journey any in there so like again? US Ten different people with the Black Panthers. Are you get ten different answers. Even people that we're in the movement. Yeah but the end of the day man like you know wherever like point might be a problem is I mean. Is it so much to ask to be like. Yeah I just wanted housing. That's like suitable humans. How about that? Yeah Yeah Yeah and at the end of the day I think why they ended on that note. I'm just quoting the introduction to the region of independence is they're saying what we want is for this nation to make good on its promises. Just just keep your promises. Yeah Yeah like they're saying like this thing that you claim to revere this is a good document. It got some good should there. Why aren't you doing it? Yeah that's what we were about. Let's do it. Yeah Yeah so good. Yeah yeah cool cool prop. Is there anything you want to go into Before we roll out of this one man I think mentioning some of the like some of the women like to pop connections to core. You Know Nikki I mean Angela. The Davis you know what I mean her her prison reform stuff that she's doing now like some of these people You don't Nina Simone like just some of the like things that are having like a uh in Cuba right now. Why am I blanking? WHO's in Cuba right now? Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah Some other like in in Cuba and and Algieria they had like a number of them wound up living. Yeah they just they just went there so yes some of some of the women you know what I'm saying that were like so so pivotal you know saying and again like A phonics a core like to pox. Mom You know what I'm saying You know going to prison hair being pregnant with to park in prison. You know what I'm saying stuff like that like ties to like now I think would be cool to kind of cover. Yeah Yeah and. That's definitely the biggest shortcoming of this. Is that like. Yeah I mean I definitely didn't go into detail enough about like the different women activists The international stuff that went on. It's there's so much to talk about I the they're always going to be imperfect and I only I but when we show that gun you you like. Angela Davis teaches at Berkeley elite. Like you could go here her right now. You could go here her lecture. You know what I'm saying like those things to me like these like living you commandments. That like like if we could gather these stories and hear the more Mike a year and why they still alive. You know what I'm saying I think he's like super even if you don't like even if you know rock with like a lot of whatever. They stood for right now like she was she was on this campaign like just in prisons period is like neons are ineffective. They don't don't work. They just make more criminals. You know what I'm saying so you go here her right now. You know what I'm saying like talk about saying like why to park was who he was again. Momma was a panther. You know what I'm saying like and was in prison pregnant with him. You know things like that I think is like these lists. It's like it's not. It's not that long ago. You know what I'm saying like some of these people are still alive and still accessible but really the the the mist I to me even in a lot like the academic work with the with the panthers harped on this a lot but like what the women did you know what I'm saying. They were doing the cooking looking for those. who like breakfast programs? That was women doing that. You know what I'm saying when they locked up on man when it was killing a man guess who carried it. Who's the women you know what I'm saying so I just think that like that legacy I would love to see more on that legacy not even not from this? I'm just anxious period like less. Yeah can we talk about what the ladies did saying. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And that's you know that's probably a good. Maybe a good subject for when we do our next hero's episode the end of the year or something. Yeah Yeah Yeah. In part. I was focusing this on. I was focusing this largely on efforts to destroy the panthers and those sort of focus more on on killing and injuring. Yeah you imprisoning some of the. Yeah but you're right that's A. It's one of those things. As soon as I started reading black against empire it was like this anxiety attack of like I'm GonNa leave so much shit out uh-huh how like that's what I was saying already ready to show you mercy because it's just so much to cover your saying yeah yeah. This was a very very focused episode. And my main hope for it is that it convinces people particularly other white kids like me Go read more about these guys and women and and this this struggle go read more about this. I think black against empires a good place to start There's a lot of other really good books. That you can look into and I tell her by like I've taken your book advice before you know. Read a few things you didn't put out there in has sent those for like I read the death of democracy. It's a good one guy that was that that was a book. Boy She was. I got to say chills. I did when he was reading. Oh this isn't good yes to familiar. Yeah anyway well you know maybe consider some of the lessons in black against empire empire as part of the antidote to the death of democracy especially survival programs that sort of thing this idea of community organizing for self defense I'm the armed stuff in the stuff. That has nothing to do with guns all very important. So that's the note on this episode of Prop One A.. Plug your collectibles before we yes outta here into the weekend. My Plug ables are prop hip hop just like. It sounds Prophet pop. That's that's twitter. That's instagram that's the website. There's merge coffee paraphernalia. I'm quite a coffee nerd Couple podcast part of like really cool. Coffee Paraphernalia Oh yeah it's really really really got to look up the poor Gami. It's GonNa blow your mind. Dj Dan all our engineer. Bought one jerk. You're supposed supposed to give you one man. Yeah Dude so poor Gami Yes in pods. I'm apart of caught hood politics amongst excited about It's essentially she like a sort of the street level version of like politics and information just to like kind of fun kind of tell me it's tongue in cheek but you you can understand politics if you survived eighth grade. You can understand geopolitics. That's what that's what kind of what I'm working on. All right and I I am working on this podcast every week. You can find me here. You know in the sources for this episode on behind the BASTARDS DOT com. You can find our our twitter and instagram at bastard cod. You can find my twitter at I right okay And you can also find our podcast worst year ever We have a a two parter. That just dropped investigating a terrorist attack on the furry community at a convention into fourteen Nazi connections. So that's a fun one so Continue learning things. 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