Hanging with Nicole Dezelon from The Andy Warhol Museum
I hang to yourself Brad outside your. Hey what's up? A welcome to craft hang out. I'M ELISA CAPITAIN. I'm Jesse Cats Greenberg and I'm Leela Thatcher and let's hang out get crafty Lou. All right guys so we know you are super creative. Can you think back to some essential artists who you found super inspirational and helped shape? Your own sensibility. Well one of mine is Andy Warhol. In my own opinion I think he was a leader in changing the way the world perceives. Art If you've ever been to our homepage of craft hangout dot com. You've seen the photo of Jesse Leland. I in striped shirts. Hanging with microphones and art supplies. But if you look closely past the three of us in the background you'll see part of a painting on the wall. It's artwork. I may twenty one years ago and the imagery is of my parents and just looking at it. Just that little tiny snippet you can obviously tell how deeply Andy Warhol has influenced me now. Li Liu and Jessie are also certified were hall super fans so as a treat for the three of us and hopefully a friel. We have a very special gas. We are so excited so please everyone. Let's give a warm craft hanging out. Welcome to Nicole desimone from the Andy Warhol Museum. Thank you guys so much for. Having me a so exciting. It's so nice to kind of be amongst your enthusiasm. It's really on a Friday night. Thanks for having me. I'm the associate director of learning at the museum Since we are nonprofit many different hats from developing implementing evaluating all of our educational programs and interpretive materials for audiences of all ages to offering professional development for teachers and developing managing over two thousand pages of our online curriculum. And I don't know most of you may know that. The Andy Warhol Museum is located in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. It is the largest single artists museum. In the United States we opened May Thirteenth. Nineteen ninety-four last year. We had our twenty fifth anniversary so that was an exciting year for us. We are sometimes confused with the Andy Warhol Foundation in New York City. We are not them however they did play a pivotal role in our opening in one thousand. Nine hundred nine the foundation kind of joined forces with the DEA foundation and they created the museum along with the Carnegie Institute in Pittsburgh Sooner one of the for Carnegie Museum so it's a little bit of background of who I am and where we are amazing so night. You didn't know why we are. Pittsburgh do you know why do I do again? Hoyts tell me. Why is the were museum located old ten points? Would you keep this going? Let's see how many points we can rack up. Notching always drawn to like where people come from. That's just a factory research -Ly Albanese like Robert Mapplethorpe not to divert too far from the artist at hand. But he has one of my favorite quotes. He's from Queens. Which is suburban for New York City and quotas? It was a great place to come from in not it was a fantastic lease to leave like the the tide that bonded. Warhol to him. Because we're off out the same way about Pittsburgh. Once he left after College Sean he returned. Maybe once or twice but really. He washed his hands and he took it and branch. New York right Well I think about a year or so after you know he kinda got out stab wished his mom that up in New York and lived with him. You know pretty much until her death about a year before she had died she had moved back to Pittsburgh. Wow Wow amazing all right so Cole. Can you tell us about the factory? Education Studio and the Conservation. Labs at the museum sure Our Education Studio is called the factory. Because we'RE HALLS NEW YORK FACTORY. Kinda served as both his studio and social space our factories located on the underground level of the museum. And we offer hands on art making activities there and usually all of the activities coincide in help us to conceptualize Some of the temporary exhibitions. We have going on and it allows visitors to try their hand. At warhol's quintessential art making techniques like silkscreen printing rubber-stamping. Lauded LINE so not to oversell us. But we always hear that That's one of the most memorable experiences that people have because it is free and open to the public with museum admission. So I'm I'm coming. I like Silkscreen so we need to feel your for sure. Eight hour eight hour road trip. We can do it. I actually started planning with my mom. 'cause Nicole I told my mom's. Rt was well. She's retired now but she was an art teacher and so I was telling her about how we're going to talk to you tonight. She was so excited. And she didn't know about the Andy Warhol Museum. And we're like when social distancing lifted like let's Kaoh and we were like trying to plan it out so Maybe you could do like a live from the warhol segment. Yeah sure that'd be awesome. Elisa LOVES TAKING THE TRAVEL NYC. She'll shove it writing your face. I will have a moment in the silver clouds. I have it all planned out differently. We're coming good. Were many questions coming in conservation lab was established in Twenty fifteen. Minute provides kind of a workspace that's devoted to maintaining and restoring the art and Oliver Archival materials. They were pretty closely with our collections and registration department. But they're really responsible for maintaining the collection and mitigating any risk or property damage. One time we had a group of students that one of them put on the painting so they're responsible for kind of removing that in a way that doesn't damage the work and then read storing any. That might have come off with it. You know every day were doing kind of condition reports if anyone has touched the artwork so we definitely care for the collection on a daily basis. Wow Dang teenagers all right. We need your such vandals. Although Andy might have liked it right in a weird way be interesting rule. Earning waves so there are six hundred ten time capsules warhol filled and sealed for storage. And I know the Andy kept everything. We're there any treasures special celebrity autographs rare collectibles. The Andy had. And what is the strangest thing that you have found in the capsules? Ou such good questions. While I love the time capsules because education has really done a lot of work around time capsules so his time capsules birth kind of he was a pack rat Yep and collected everything that really came through his life and it was really great because he collected all of this Ephemera from his daily life from mundane things like postcards. Art Invitations even artwork itself. So really they were just standard packing boxes that he would shove stuff in and then once it was filled he would pack it up to date on it and then send it to storage in kind of you know forgot about it in a way Until later on you know. They kind of became his time capsules in some craziest things that I've heard that were found in them was a half eaten piece of birthday cake. A mummified foot. Not that he was creepy may be creepy but it was something that he had bought at auction. Every day tells a different story. Right denture molds all kinds of bizarre. Thanks I pulled a book for you guys. It's one of our newest releases. Ooh And it goes through all of Warhol's archives from Ada Z. Oh My Dad. The name of that again. What is the name of the book? It is a for Archive. Warhol's world from agency and the way it's arranged is kind of Alphabetically as for archive of is for boxy Aquinas major diaspora duchamp So it's a really great pithy way to explore his collection in explore some of the items in his time capsules and I'm also excited to tell you about an education project that we finally finished input online. It's called Time Capsule Twenty one where you can actually go online and take a look at some of the contents in more halls time capsule twenty one and why that time capsule is super. Exciting is because a lot of source material for his later. Works were found in there. So that selling our website were hauled dot. Org backslash time capsules and that really kind of set us off in a new direction education wise We had an exhibition that traveled through south. East Asia. Called Andy Warhol. Fifteen minutes of fame and we activated this time capsule project four youth so we had youth from Pennsylvania and youth from Southeast Asia Singapore Hong Kong Japan making time capsules of kind of their youth objects. They kind of represent them and they would pack up a time capsule and they would exchange it and then we had a video conference where they can ask one another about the objects and it was so fascinated. Cool justice either exchange. Yeah and then one of our later. Most recent ones is called community. Time capsules that we've been kind of working on for ten plus years but it's finally online it is fully realized and what we've done is we've interviewed undocumented. Various immigrant groups in western Pennsylvania carpet the Rousson African Americans Russian Americans and we asked them to kind of show us ten to fifteen of objects they brought with them or their parents brought with them when they emigrated and we kinda showed them on the same page as warehouse. Time capsules so thinking about the age that we're in right now. This idea of time capsules. Like what are students doing? What are they putting a time? Capsule Right now in the age of Covid nineteen because I mean this is going to be a moment to really preserve and examine definitely so I have a question Andy. Warhol pioneered blurring the lines of both commercial and fine art so moore example. He did fashion illustrations of shoes for magazines in his early career and then he embraced popular culture in is fine art work so my question is how do you think this blurred line has affected? Today's perception of art s a great question Warhol graduated from Carnegie Tech which is now Carnegie Mellon and Pittsburgh Pennsylvania in nineteen forty nine. He graduated with a degree in Pictorial Design. And pretty much immediately. After graduating he moved to New York with his friend and artists. Philip Perlstein and from there he really took off running and became well established in the commercial design world and you know had a successful career during the early fifties and sixties. So I think you know. When the pop art movement started to gain traction late fifties and sixties were was really well positioned to create these mass produced images that used tools that was known to him as a commercial artist. When we think of repetition we think of Boll design we think of like simple design all of these tricks of the trade. He kind of had up his sleeve. I think that really allowed him to kind of step out as the Prince of pop as people call him. But you know on more of like a deeper level. I think that his extreme furlough boxes. I have a little replica. Cute they're so teeny weeny. Hello you're going to have to demand you're GONNA have to please take pictures of Joel AIDS so we can post them and our social media so everybody else can see 'cause we're lucky we're seeing it will need to post. I'm all of a visual learner. So I get it but What I love about the Brillo boxes not that I think it's like an amazing aesthetic piece of artwork but it really did kind is great example of what changed the art world and the philosopher. Arthur dantonio really wrote a lot about Warhol's below box You know the Berlow box you could find it any supermarket so what you know really changed from. Warhol's Brillo box to one that you can find in the every day. And what makes something a work of art and I think it was kind of introducing those aesthetic questions into the art world. At the time you know what elevates something to the status of high art what's higher what's low art can umbrella box that looks identical to one in the supermarket. Be An art artwork and what makes it an artwork because it's enough museum. Is it because a famous artists. Nearly were homemade. It is it because it was so screen printed and not commercially produced. Is it because the boxes were built so it really brought up a whole new line of questioning in the art world? I think that's a really great way to kind of look at that. That Campbell soup cans meal. It was a way of democratising the art world and not making it so twenty or high art because the regular everyday person has probably had brillo experience. Because you don't have a cleaning Lady Doing Your sinks right you know had a Coca Cola. You've had Campbell's before probably so I think it was kind of you. Know this democratization as well as this universality of these products you know they're known locally nationally internationally mostly everyone has had some sort of experience with it and they were very pop and that was you know the movement at the time. I also fine just because I've been a fan of Andy. Warhol's work since I was young that everywhere I go in this world I now look at like packaging design a lot differently. I actually will notice for instance. I keep my pens in this crush. Tomato can but it's really like the beautiful details in colors that somebody did this. It wasn't like you're going to have to take a picture of that. We have a lot of visual AIDS being guy name. Oh at the factory. Who just did it could have been somebody that was hired in purposely made that waste and either way. I'm I'm I don't think if it weren't for my learning about Andy and his of I. I don't think I would have ever been trained to do and I love it. You definitely captured. Were Hall. Sensibility of Pop. He did this cross country road trip. And you know. He's looking at all the fifties sixties motel signs and diner signs and he said. I'm GONNA paraphrase knocking. Remember it totally. Once you got pop you could never see assign the same way again. Once you got pop you could never see America the same way again and I think that's just what you said. You see things in a different way. The common every day all of a sudden can become art can become pop can become cool. You know there's a coolness of the fifties and sixties SINU- in graphic design. And I think that you know he really plugged into that so speaking of this common every day being cool and being art when I saw the entire Campbell's soup cans series at the Moma last year. I honestly had like an emotional reaction. So why do you think a collection of artwork with the most mundane subject ever a can of soup could resonate so deeply with viewers throughout the years? I think you know in the same vein as Berlow in the same vein as coca-cola again another warhol quote which is of paraphrase. You know about Coca Cola. He say you know everybody can have a coke. The bum on the street can have a coke. Princess Diana can have a coke cope. No matter how much money you have in. It's the same experience and I think it's you know again. Ability for the high low to be able to experience a work of art in a similar manner we definitely bring our own context our own filter to the artwork to the experience. But it wasn't exclusive anymore. What I love about the museum is new in Nineteen Sixty. Two were hall famously. Showed his campbell soup. Paintings thirty two paintings of campbells but before that And what we see throughout the museum because we have a large collection of his work now. We're organized chronologically. When you start at the seventh floor you see what came before those nineteen sixty two small painted soup cans and they're really large explorations of the Campbell's soup can and they were done money. He blew them up there. You know larger than life and they're meticulously hand and then he started the nineteen sixty two series. You know and he arranged those at the original exhibition of them. In a way that was almost mimic the supermarket experience. He kind of had them sitting on shelves but by the end of nineteen sixty two he kind of started his romance with photographic silkscreen printing and then he began printing a lot of these cans. And that's what I love teaching people when they come to the museum that every because everybody knows about the silkscreen printed camp but they don't know that his first exhibition of them they were hand painted and they don't know that before those came all of these experiments large small law you know why short and we also have one where he meticulously masked out and painted over. Can you do with tape? He kind masks and so every year like a little more tape falls off a little more tapes. This work of art that is constantly changing. And they're not in finished. Yeah exactly and then one of them also has ripped torn label and kind of drips on the side which is so great to talk about because you know the dominant. Art Movement of the time was abstract expressionism. And you Kinda see that bridge rate. There were holes allowing the drips like Jackson pollock. But he's also doing pop object you know and because he wasn't really accepted. I think into the abstract expressionist Robert Rauschenberg like manly man artists when he got grounding in the pop art movement you know he really just wrote it and you know it became his in a way. So that's what I love about the Campbell Soup Cannon. I liked that you ask that because when I interviewed for my job at the museum you know I was like. Oh my God. How long am I going to be able to work here? This Campbell's soup can thing is gonna get old really quick and I am almost twenty years later and you know every week a teacher or patron yo asked me something where I have to do a deeper dive and I'm like Oh my God. Where did this or Oh my God. This relates wore like this. So I'm always making these really amazing connections and you know when I thought early on. I'm like all the Soup Kangai guy say there's been few moments where I've been in the store and Campbell's will put out like they're warhol soup cans. Brillo did the same thing like it. Didn't say Warhol but there were like are retro packaging. Why don't you just keep it? He unit marketing favor. Quit tomato soup cans on my show at my home so people could see it now. They don't have it anymore. They have these like really stupid. Ones that say like low-sodium monitors yet thank gray photograph. I want I'm like looking at Nicole's tomato soup canned behind her. And I know what I want. Perfect can and you know. That's what warhol responded to because you look at the candidates black. It's white it's red it's got the you know the seal in the middle. That is so recognizable and like the floor. Liaisson his original ones. I also like the Campbell's because you know He silkscreen printed them. He hand painted them. And then this little Florida lease at the bottom. He actually hand stamped so it brings together like so many of his processes which is such a great as an educator. It's such a great teaching tool. Yeah Oh wow. I bet she could do a whole assignment for young artists on. Like find your own piece of graphic design out there that inspires you know with like Andy Dead. See if you can make it your your muse in a way you do have a elementary school project around The Campbell's soup can and it's called Ode to food. So they picked out you know their favorite food they have to design the label or the packaging and then write an ode about it. So you know mind would be a pizza. I love. I might be too all right. So Nicole my personal fantasy is to have gone to a factory party. Pretend I hopped in a time machine and I was lucky enough to attend one. What do you think my experience would be like at a factory party? Who would I me and most importantly do you think I should wear with? That was to be my first question. What are you wearing? Imagine myself and I'm totally going for a long black sweater. Black tights some cute black kitten heels. I think you'd be allowed in my hair and bleach bleached though right what I love about. Warhol's factory is there was kind of like this hive or ant colony always buzzing with activity You know and you can have the velvet underground performing in the background while there are socialites. Poets Artists Curator's street kids mingling and kind of having fun but while Warhol was shy did value this social interaction as a means to generate new art works and ideas. It was really open to anyone and you could see shiny sequin socialites. Kind of hanging out. You could see the beat Knicks. You could see People in Leather Pants and looking all velvet under underground or David Bowie wrote really was kind of welcoming. Warhol wasn't really known to be a socializers there to be seen and take note but he was definitely more of an observer and many times in the factory you would find him in the back studio making artwork he was just always producing a cranking workout. And then you know the factories interesting his factory because there's been a couple of different iterations of the factory and kind of what it meant to him You know anything for being his art factory Social Hi to you. Know becoming his business where he conducted a lot of his business like interview. Magazine his filmmaking. Time so it did. It really did transform overtime Nicole. You mentioned already. That museum is located in Pittsburgh and espy said. It's Andy Warhol's hometown as well as his final resting place. Now we even noticed that there is a live cam on his own rave side on your website so most of us think about Andy as a New Yorker but like we were talking about. He's really a Pittsbur- so our question is how do you think those Pittsburgh roots influenced Andy? Warhol's work definitely. My first to is work ethics. It's Berg is definitely known for its blue collar working class hard working nature and I think that you know warhol embodied that same work ethic throughout his career throughout college around his career We see it in his mass production. We see it in the ways that he changed up his different art practices from painting to Silkscreen Printing. To writing to you know he really was like in and constantly churning out work so. I think it was. You know that work ethic He was also you know. His parents came over as immigrants from Eastern Europe and he was very poor so I definitely think that he understood business. Art You know. He wasn't just going to be an artist. He was going to also make money being an artist and he set out to achieve that you know he wasn't might have been starving artists for a little while but he don't died quite wealthy and I think it was that business acumen as well as that work ethic that really. Kinda set him apart in situated him to be able to be so successful very interesting. I thought you're going to say maybe that he knew his subject matters. Like so down to Earth. And you know that kind of parallel. I love that. It's the work ethic the kind of shaped and influenced his artwork very interesting. Well you know he did say about Campbell soup by used to drink it. Every day. I had the same lunch every day for twenty years. I guess know I had the same thing over and over again. There is kind of that romantic image of him coming home from school. His mother cooking a can of Campbell's tomato soup him having a grilled cheese sandwich. You know so. There are kind of these romantic notions that I think you can definitely attached to many of his artworks. Now I want a girl cheese and all right it's perfect quarantining. Food have really is not so much cheese of a quick just real quick cheese story here. Scott went to the grocery store the other day and I texted him like. Oh my God. I forgot to put American cheese on the list like for sandwiches. And he's like I've bought all the cheese like we're having all of the cheese limit out all of the cheese. What is it about cheese? I've been while I've always been kind of cheese oriented but now who have stepped up my game. Yeah it's just hanging out hanging out. We also when we record together. There's always a breeze and then an emergency brie and there's three of us as you can see. There's only area bus. We need an emerging emerges. Emergency degree always comes out. We need the wheel. We don't walk home you remember. Oh God now I'm going off track but there or in the East village called East village. Cheese BLESS THEIR HEARTS. They would sell a wheel for like three dollars. They have like a connect somewhere they would so so cheap and then of course my husband and I get together and I turn onto the cheese shop. They also have things like Rosado and whatnot but he was like yeah we got to go and then all the sudden they moved. 'cause they lost lease and then they just closed. And Things Day sacred in this city cheese Hookup Jesse. I feel like I have to pull a Jesse I am. Yeah Yeah I'm getting a contract okay. So besides being a Co host here on Craft Hang Out. I'm also the DIY content directorate. Jump ROPE A free mobile after creating how to videos tutorials and we noticed that Warhol Dot Org has some incredible video tutorials to teach Andy Warhol's signature techniques. So can you tell us? More about these videos. Yes so we probably created our first process video maybe like ten years ago and it was on Silkscreen printing because of course everyone that pass through really asked about the Silk Screen Printing Process. You know especially photographic soak screening. It has many you know step said a way to kind demystify it for people so we started off with the Silk Screen Printing and then we made our bloodline video and blooded line was really one of were halls. Quintessential techniques in his early commercial design in the fifties and sixties and really wants. You deconstruct it. It's a simple printmaking technique and it was a way for him to make multiples so what he would do. You know he would go and he would have these interviews. He work for places like I Miller shoes. That give him an assignment. He'd go home you know he would have to draw this shoe and colorized this shoe and return the next day with the product. And what we're hoping would do is he would take penny. In kind of hinge watercolor paper and tracing paper and his original first drawing and then with a clicker pen and Sepia ink. He would go. Maybe like inch by inch and then blot. The image inch by inch bought the image until he had an exact replica. The drawing and so he could do that over and over again and it was really quite beautiful because the line is broken. It's not like a hard graphic line that you think of when you think of design. So he was able to kind of implement this hand-drawn line to this graphic sensibility. And then show up the next day with two or three should designs in different colors with different imagery on them so he definitely changed things up the game in the early commercial design world when we think about his printmaking that was one of his first forays into print making as well as rubber-stamping so the blotted line is definitely one of the most popular features in our series. But I'm glad you asked about our videos because once we had to shut down mid March due to Cova. God what are we GonNa do? How can we reach our audiences and it was almost a panic but it was also an opportunity to pivot so we sat back and we said what would were halted and we thought and we thought you know and we're like well. Everybody loves videos. We can somewhat quickly in a DIY WAY. Turn these around. What are some processes? And then we realized you know all of our kids. All of our teachers Oliver Parents Stuck at home. We began thinking. Well how can they do mobilizing at home? Which is home materials so the first one? We put out was mobilizing with shaving cream and food coloring. Because pretty much everyone would have been home and it was such hit. I had parents sending me photos teachers sending me photos and then like wow okay. There's something to this. This has a resonance. Let's keep going and then Easter was coming up. So we're like. Oh my gosh where hall he was you know. He painted the Ukrainian eggs with his mom. You know that was part of her heritage. Let's do a quick and I think that was a Wednesday. We're like we can't do this by Sunday. That was kind of the Nice thing was like we could and we did. Our early process videos were so highly produced we head storyboards and clean backgrounds and everything took forever and it was so thought out and these are kind of on the fly and that was concerning when a museum puts things out we have to really think about the quality of it but I think that resonance that almost anyone can do this. Diy Few weeks later when teachers all of a sudden had to rally to teach online the following week a lot of them used our videos and then some of the local teachers that taught with sent me videos. They're like oh. I was so inspired by the videos you did. This is the first one I did. And so I think that if we had highly produced those like the others. I don't think that that connectivity would have happened. I don't think the teachers felt enabled and empowered to be able to teach that quickly and ramp up to reach their students so really think there is something to diy. Lo Fi to get your point across and to let people feel empowered that they can do this that egg video. I still talk about it of Eastern past because we'd released it. I think on a Friday or Saturday morning end by Monday morning. We had had fifty thousand views of it. Almost like eggs really just really made us rethink our audience right now. In a different way and it's parents stuck at home with kids and teachers figuring out how they can reach their audience and so I think. Diy Right now is really valuable definitely and it's inspiring seen how like you said like teachers and parents are getting creative with what they have around. The House is really cool right now. 'cause I've seen also art teachers using Like we take for granted that we all have like paint in our house like not allow of these students have paint. So if they want a watercolor project I saw teacher that was like. If you've got watercolors great if not and she's literally just mixing like Turmeric with water. She was not showing how to like and paint with Ketchup. Like she's like. Here's what you do with the stuff in your pantry and I was like yeah like reach. Everybody is really cool. And I think it's really empowering right. You don't have to have extensive materials. You don't have to have all of these things and it kind of pushes you. In a way that we're hall would push an innovate and experiment. And I think you know again with war. There was a real value with his experimentation So there's a real value with our at home experimentation. I think it's just as valid definitely and I'm like listening to what you're saying about teachers and all that stuff and I've heard rumors I don't have kids so I don't know if this is really a hundred percent true but just hearing how are has been our programs have been cut in Publix oils and things like that and it's really kind of one of the positives coming out of this. Whole quarantine is hearing. People are engaging more and arts and crafts with kids Art Therapy and it allows children to do what they were probably meant to do is just let it go. Do what you need to go where you need to go. You know so. It's really great hearing how you are connecting with people and probably almost proving that art is more important than people up high like to give credit to eight that I hated hearing that I hated hearing that people are cutting budgets on art. Why why are we? I physical no kids. You know. It's not reading and writing and arithmetic. It's it's our it's music and it's physical activity anyway and people really don't understand all of the critical and creative problem solving that goes into making a work of art or figuring out how to be creative or find a new idea and this is what we pay big bucks for. This is what makes Apple Apple. Tesla Tesla you're paying big money for these innovative ideas will. How are you going to get the people later on to have these innovative ideas if you're not letting them experiment innovate? It seems like a no brainer for US. Right Right Right. Bring it back. To warhol Warhol could be anywhere it could anywhere it shouldn't be for an exclusive group of people it should be art. Should be for everyone. 'cause you never know who's GonNa come out there like the next Andy Warhol? Unlike blow everybody sock on rate absolutely and everybody thought. Warhol was a Weirdo irs clue. Professor was Weirdo. A weird out here. Yes exactly meanwhile. Everybody quotes every five seconds. Now right that we're out fifty eight and I'm like since we've been talking about Andy. What do you think Andy's writer die? Art Supply would be. I mean I'm going out on a limb and this is a whole just from my one point perspective here but I love the he used Doc. Martin inks have you know. House is definitely to illustrate this point. I'll get out of sets. One set is still from college and the other set was I bought it because I couldn't find it and I thought I didn't have it anymore so I have two sets. Oh I have a third set tour. The same of the bright kind and then the third set is It's a little more opaque. It's not the traditional ones that were from the the including videos but the brilliance of those act. Martin inks. Who isn't an you know? I think that was part of the game changer. Between him doing lauded line illustrations of shoes and then coloring them in with those crazy. Like Doc Martin inks like bright pinks. Break Turquoise acid lemon yellow in You know fees and early sixties. You know shoes were looking like Ben and but also why love it is because we still use it in the studio. And it's there's something about connecting a modern day experience to the exact same material that Andy Warhol US. Such a great connection and the bottles are really great. Because there are these little apothecary. Kind of eyedropper. Easy squeeze bottles and so. I just think that like material nature the feel the look into immediate connection to warhol especially kids. Those ugly right rose little like pads of watercolors that by the end of the day. They're all brown. Newman what you do. These are looking Chanel of color. Schnell watercolor so great. You just made my day Nicole. Because that's like one of my like I will bust that out every now and then and every time I do like the Beach. Little Dot sick. A little dot of watercolor so pigmented. There's so much brightness and I forgot that was kind of like one of my secret sauces to this weekend. Shelf my closet. You will be graded on this assignment issue game on call still cruising through the Warhol Dot. Org Website and I noticed that there was photographer. Credited named Abby were Hullah so i WanNa know you gotTa tell me. How is this chick related to Andy Walker but you did know that the family name was were? Hola right before were all the and became more American So any were hall actually Warhol's grand-niece. She is the daughter of Power Hola. Who was Andy? Warhol's brother and his youngest daughter Madeline is her mother. Oh wait I think I read an article about her She was photographed. I don't know maybe this is have more than one grand knees. He has a bunch. Yeah maybe somebody different but I. This was a definitely an artist. I don't know what medium she was Doing but there's one of his grand nieces like somebody took photographs of her for press and she was wearing like those striped shirt and the black leather jacket and she had blonde hair. And you Kinda let me. She's no guys. We need to make a new best friend. Abby right make it happen idol. It's exciting to kind of. Have you know the family lineage? Still in Pittsburgh we actually in our department have donald were Hola. Who IS ANDY? Warhol's other brothers John Son and he gives tours gives workshop. Kinda from the Nephew point of view. You know he went. Warhol was Kinda beginning interview magazine. Donald went up to kind of install a computer system way back when to kind of modernize his workflow and just has such great photos of him. You know in the factory with his uncle when he has such lovely stories of memories of being a kid and traveling from Pittsburgh up to a city New York Gaito as a kid and visiting his uncle and seeing all the crazy things in his house and studio so we are really lucky to still have some of that family connection to really tell the behind the scenes the human side Warhol. That's so cool to mazing. Could you imagine if you were just like showing up to get a tour? And then it happened to be his nephew. Giving the tour law as we're back in action he gives to tours a week and we can set you up with one that we're planning we'll make it part of the day that you guys you know. Go ON THE ROAD. Amazing all right. So the Andy Warhol Museum. Obviously he's had to close due to cope in nineteen temporarily so in. What ways have you been able to connect engage with your audience during this social distancing period so while it was really rough in the beginning because we had to furlough seventy five percent of our staff like many museums you know in the country in the world the next hurdle was really figuring out how we can still reach people how we can still be an important place in schmunity looking back on it you know it was definitely frantic and crazy in my God? What are we GONNA do? The Sky is falling but reflecting on it you know it really allowed us to kind of pivot to a new audience. We do have traveling exhibitions of Warhol's work nationally and internationally. But we've have over two thousand pages of online resources but we never really thought about who we were connecting with. It was kind of in a vacuum but now everyone is you know in the same boat pretty much. Well you know same storm different boats. I suppose but so it. It kind of brought this idea of universality what can we do? We've got this great content. How can we put it out there and while still serving our local communities so we do a lot of artists in school partnerships have been working with teachers to create packets to get students to deliver some of our program that we were in the middle of before? All of this happened so we are doing. Still some in person distance drop-offs things like that. But definitely you know. We talked about the videos that we've been creating that's been really great. Really well received allowed us to kind of add to are making it. We call it. You know our treasure trove of Warhol's techniques videos. Those are all now available on Youtube on our the Andy Warhol Channel. But now we're fast and furiously thinking how we can deliver online programming through some sort of learning management system. Everybody is using something different from school g to right space to muddle too so there's so many platforms. We're really just trying to kind of be able to position ourselves to be flexible nimble and really be there for what people need so we're hoping to put out a series of online courses. Not only for kids but for adults may be college students for the general public as well as collectors curators so different tiered online resources. Kinda what we're looking at now. We are lucky and we are unique because we have the big collection of Warhol works so hopefully we can position ourselves to pull from some of that work as well as you know enrich the viewers and people that were working with so we've been doing some online things with schools testing things out. But you know it's always an issue of equity within the schools. Not every kid has access to a computer or smartphone. So we're definitely trying to bridge that gap to be equitable. It's awesome. That sounds great. What advice do you think Andy? Warhol WOULD HAVE FOR. Today's artists who want to keep their artistic vision but still. WanNa make some money doing what they love you know. I thought long and hard about that question and I thought you know right now. I'm taking before Kovin after cope against her. That question before this. And how can I not covid like be the Lens that I'm constantly looking through? But it was so poignant in the sense that what would again. What would warhol do during the situation and I think why Warhol has maintained relevancy so many years later is you know because he was really able to kind of pinpoint Zeitgeist of his time? Like what was the defining spirit? The mood the history and really just locked that in. I'm like God. What would he do now? Like how would he would? He make a covid nineteen time capsules. Like would he be taking from the headlines? He did his whole death and disaster series and kind of ripped from the headlines series like what he be using the headlines. What would he be doing? He would whatever it is though he would somehow be memorializing. This moment he would be making are out of this time and locking it in and maybe not even understanding what it means now but it would be really important reflection later on and I don't know it's I think it's rough for artists right now because the GIG economy and things are drying up but also you know in the spirit of were holidays. Time to pivot it is time to invaded as a time to. Kinda rethink what you're doing and how you can reach different audiences knew. I know a lot of my artist. Friends have never really gone online but now they have an at sea site and now they're making videos and now they're doing all of these things that they weren't doing before and I think if anything good comes out of it you know it's going to be held a weather. The storm as an artist financially and creatively and we all know that we as artists and creative people are used to digging deep in times of need in times of stress and in order to survive. Really both financially and creatively so hopefully not equate to warhol spirit. I mean that's some good advice regardless if that's what Andy would say we. We all do that right. Now we all by creatively and financially And not let it. Overwhelm you yeah. That's the struggle is real. And lastly but most importantly where can people find you wealth? Come to Pittsburgh you can find me at the Andy. Warhol Museum almost always located the north shore. And they keep me in the basement or the underground as we've rebranded it. You can find me on. Www DOT warhol dot org. You can find us on facebook at the Andy Warhol Museum. I don't worry I'm going to put in the show so you could just click and you don't have to try to figure it out and then what's the address of the museum. Pittsburgh won seventeen Sandusky Street for one five two one two if you're a sports fan we're near the stadiums Nicole. Thank you so much. You're phenomenal guest to hang with. We appreciate how much time you've carved into your schedule to hang with us. So thank you amazing. Yes and I guess. Stay crafty you guys are still coming to Pittsburgh right off okay. holy smokes. That was good. Thank you Nicole for off your incredible Andy Warhol Knowledge. We're GONNA get into takeaways in the sack. But I have a few brief craft hang out announcements. First of all deer craft jury knows. Did you hear the news? 'cause we've got news we actually climbed the US podcast charts and hit number one in the craft category. I now we're all doing happy. Dances in New York City apartment. So thank you for listening and helping this. Little Indie podcast. Make it to the top but we do have a favor and it's not hard. I swear if you're loving this podcast it would mean the world to us. You could just smash those five stars in the Apple. Podcast ratings. An even leave us a review. It's really easy. It won't cost you anything and it actually helps us get seen and grow so please if you are enjoying this podcast that would be amazing if you are not enjoying this podcast while this episode is almost over and we can't believe you listen to basically the whole thing let's dive into takeaways. They really good so inspiring so here. We go one find beauty in the every day to experiment. Everyone knows the final famous soup Cam Pieces. But so much went into the before the scenes there was a full on experimentation going on before the final artwork. Three if your subject is down to it becomes relatable to all now think about the subjects of Warhol's part how anyone could relate to a coke or a can of Campbell's soup. I feel like that feeling is the same as when everyone from all walks of life is like streaming the same TV shows and movies. Maybe it's even the reason why. Fanar is really having a moment right now when the subject is David or hail you cats and Kittens we can all relate you know for work ethic plus business acumen set Andy Warhol part and situated him to be so successful. Just like Warhol you decide that you can not only be an artist but a business artist who makes money with your art five Hibbitt during cove nineteen. The museum wanted to find ways to connect with their audience. What would warhol do they decided to? Diy their videos quickly and it resonated hard core. Although well thought out does work that could take some serious time and if your purpose needs to move quickly because of relevancy you can try to work on the fly. Diy is relatable and it is very approachable and it has the potential to really engage with others and inspire them. Remember Lo fi can get your point across and it gets people empowered to act six. You don't have to have expensive materials. You can just work with what you have. It pushes you to innovate and experiment seven. Don't be afraid to give your work a personal touch. That's apart from the Sea of work. That's already out there. When Andy Warhol did his shoe illustrations Hughes doctor Martins radiant concentrated water color x. The brilliant colors footwear illustration gave his work a competitive batch. Eight you can make art out of this time. You don't need to know what it means now because it could be an import reflection later pivot innovate and learn to weather. The storm by and creatively. You know how to dig deep in times of need. Thanks Again Nicole. And thank you for tuning in. We'll see next time and stay. Crafty for more INFO about hit craft hang out DOT com. Our theme song is by Scott. Making sense craft hang out is a project by levels LLC.