Agatha Christie: Queen of the Murder Mystery
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Welcome to step, you should know a production of iheartradio have stuff works. Hey welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles. Debbie Chuck Brian over there Mrs, stuff you should know. I I don't know if we're. Going to be able to get used to jerry being ruined again. She fired. I don't think so. She may fired herself though. I have better things to do than hang out with you. Cats and kittens well, and it's kind of like what's the point? I'm just sitting there and I can't imagine the more boring than listening to us on headphones I wait a minute. That's our show, yes. There are people doing that very thing right now. Chuck and you just mocked their existence. Oh, I just meant for Jerry Sake you know. Jerry's not fain now. She's not or a listener. So. I have a question for you. Chuck, you ever read a book. No No, no, don't be ridiculous. Chuck. Have you ever met Agatha Christie? Yeah matter when I was three. Oh really you have much of a memory of of that encounter a little bit. She was she was nice enough. She signed my murder on the Orient Express copy for sedition. Wow. That's gotTa be worth some money, pretty neat. Yeah. Do you still have that continente. Did some spring cleaning here a couple of weeks ago? I didn't even RECYC- or put it in a little free libraries throughout the trash, did you? Didn't you say once that your brother has like a copy of number? One Superman or something nuts like that and. I thought. He has something some valuable comic book, now. Now we must be confusing you with. My other CO host Chuck. Now, we weren't big comic book. People don't have anything valuable like that. I gotcha well having met Agatha Christie. When you're a kid I feel like you probably have a lot to bring to this one. I I was I have never met her still to this day. Probably never will and. I have read a couple of things in seen a couple of movies based on her stuff, but I would never consider myself like A. a a rabid Agatha Christie Fan, but I do appreciate her work a lot. You Pick this one why we have this series of books children's books about. Awesome women in history from. Freda to Coco Chanel to Amelia earhart to Agatha Christie and so I was reading this one the other night and thought. Hey, let's do on an Agatha. Christie haven't read any of work seen. A couple of her movies loved the genre, though yeah, as as films I've never read mystery. Murder mysteries although I'm going to now I started reading the mysterious affair styles which I think was her first published work last night, and it's just great. She just sucks you right in like you. She does what's She creates an ally of books, not all of them, but she creates what's called a cozy mystery with an S. because it's British. And I'd never heard that term before until this article, but when I came across it, I was like yes, I love that kind of thing and that's exactly what I love about murder. She wrote like the murder. She wrote to where she goes to like. Broadway your Paris or something like that I can take her leave their fine, but it's the ones. Ones that are set in tiny little cabot cove that's just isolated from the rest of the world, and it's cozy and small, and it's like a village, and all that those are the murder. She wrote that I love the most and I think that's what I like about. Agatha, Christie mysteries too is a very typically cozy mysteries I've never seen that show. what what we what? This conversation before no, that would be seared into my brain forever now we have 'cause. You said that the first time. yeah, never seen it, but I'm a huge fan of murder. Mystery movies especially cozy. Mysteries like clue is one of my favorite films, and this year's or last year's knives out was one of my top like three or four films of the year. I've not seen it yet. It's still like seven dollars on Amazon. Prime, so I haven't rented waiting for the price point to drop. I. Can you a couple of bucks if you need? Three Ninety, nine, three, nine, hundred, ninety, nine. It's still a law for a rental. I mean that's a lot you think. Three Ninety nine is manageable for ninety nine up. That's a lot of. Law for a rental if you ask me how. Yes. This is I'm taking a stand on this all right. Well film professionals out there. Please do not take offense to all your hard work. So I have a question for you have one more question Have you seen the Agatha Christie film adaptation of crooked? It came out in two thousand seventeen now. I think you'll like it. It was big budget, but it also looks like British made for television. Big Budgets Great. Gillian Anderson Dana scully's in it. Okay Love, you know. The Brits are nuts for her. Are they? Did Oh man, she's like their favorite person in the world and has been for years and I. Don't know why nothing against Gillian Anderson but like. She's never hit as big over here. She did there terence stamp, isn't it? Love him going close. She's great. And I was like this is really good. So reading little synopses of all that stuff and it seemed like it's it's widely regarded as one of her best most ingenious and inventive works crooked house. Crooked House I believe that's Amazon prime for free. Well, yes, do you actually do the math of how much you pay for Amazon Prime To see how much you're paying for that movie. I don't want to do that. I just don't WanNa do that. We pennies. Why did you do that to me? All right so Charles Let's Let's get into this because I know that this could be a little long if we're not a deliberate and. Would take maybe considerate of our time all right well. It's an eight minute intro so far so good. Kit. She is perhaps. again. It's kind of hard to table. Books tell with book sales because can be dodgy, but she is often quoted as the earth is the bestselling novels of all time. And, I did little check to compare like I. Thought Well Stephen King Solta Booker to share they tag his book sales at about three, hundred and fifty, million her sixty six novels, fourteen collected works of short stories, supposedly have sold to the tune of billion. I saw four billion in one place and I think after you hit the billion mark, you can start tossing around whatever number you want I think so. That's like for example we've. We've had seventy billion downloads now I just decided oh great. Downloads. But think about it Stephen King. How many books is that Karen? How many as he sold all around the world and it amounts to three hundred and fifty million. He's one of the bestselling authors of all time. A lot of people say that Agatha Christie's numbers hit two billion. Like you said that's astounding. Yeah, that is, that is a ton of books. It's I. Don't think our stuff you should know. Book will approach those numbers. No, you never say never the. Lofty goal never say never I also saw that she's the most widely translated author of all time to. Forty five. As like seems a little low so than somewhere else. I saw hundred and three. Let's go with that. So. Let's talk about this cozy mystery or just mystery novels in general. They are very much formulaic. Which ed helped us put this together at points out. That's why people like them. Because the familiarity and it's sort of a comfort food thing like a good beach book. You know what you're going to get right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's surprises and everything woven in i. mean the whole thing is meant to be a surprise. It's a mystery and part of the mysteries of the allure of the mysteries that Agatha Christie not only wrote, but actually the whole genre she helped to develop is that you are ostensibly able to figure out who the? The culprit is in the murder. It's almost always murder and so there is like there is surprise involved. That's the point, but there's also a tremendous amount of familiar familiarity, and that's that formula you were talking about. That's what really it has sucked generations of people into this whole genre in her sixty six plus books. Yeah, so you've got that murder usually don't see this murder occur. She doesn't usually end in general in murder mysteries. You don't see the murder. That's not the point of how grislier gruesome the act is. It's sort of all about finding that body. And I won't had a bunch of knives out things to say about any of them now. Thank you but then you've got your detective. That arrives on the scene and I will say this is out very much. Follows this formula very smartly so okay? You've got this master detective who usually arrives on the scene but they may already be there, and they are generally very eccentric in sort of they all they always have these quirky sort of characteristics in Christie's case. We have the very. Formidable Hercule Poirot and then Miss Marple Jane Marple. In hurcules the case he's Belgian and has this big mustache and is just sort of eccentric in Belgian. Just, you know he's not French. There's something about being Belgian that makes it slightly different here and Miss Marple apparently It's just a very. And people underestimate her, and that's how she sort of wins the day. Yeah, because for Hercule. POIROT was a retired, Belgian police detective, so he has some measure of authority still to question people interrogate people as he wishes with me. She's just kind of a quiet old lady who sows in Nitsa Lot. and she just has a very key knife for detail in an interest in solving the murders that seem to happen around her like Abiola Lansbury, basically, yes, but rather than interrogate people directly Miss Marples thing, is she? Just kind of quietly is is there and people tend to confide in her and she kind of quietly helps them along and Them. She gives them the rope to hang themselves with. That's how she interrogates. People are figures out who who the murderer is right, so you've got your setting in cozy mystery setting like you said it's usually like an estate or a home, maybe a hotel Maybe it might be a small English village. Orient Express obviously on a train. Another sort of confined space by the way. Have you seen TRAE Bussan. I confused that with Snow Piercer I think I've seen both, but I can't remember which one's which they're kind of similar, but Bussan is zombies on a train Korean film. No then I think I'd just seen snow piercer. You should check out trying to Basan it. You've seen it all with Zombie genre than think again do that. Saying something because that's that Jonah's gotten a little tired day. Oh! Hey. Let me ask you this. Have you seen I? Know you've seen you had to have ozark. I'm just started it. Yeah, I'm a couple of episodes into the latest season. Okay, yeah, you mean. And I started at season one and I'm like all they WANNA do is sit around and watch, ozark. It's amazing. Yeah I love it. That's like Hartwell you know. Oh. No I didn't know that. SMART. I've tried to get Bateman and Laura Linney on movie crush. It's always. Thank you know. Oh Yeah Yeah Hey. You're getting responses. That's that's a big step forward. It's nice to be told now and just not a yard. Yeah, right all right, so you've got your setting with with a Christy. She did include her travels in some of her. Later novels when they became like super popular, but it was still not like. A globe-trotting like James Bond kind of thing. No. That's that's the point so like in a espionage thriller, something locales are all over the place, and you know the characters constantly moving in these cozy thrillers, like even if they're in an exotic locale they're still set in a small part of that exotic locale. That's right. You got your suspects. They are questioned by detective. They usually all have a motive. They usually all have the means because everyone you know in a great novel like this. Everyone's gotta be a suspect from the beginning. And then you can kinda quickly. Whittle or slowly whittled that list down. Right. And here's the thing what I was saying with the with the the kind of mystery that Christie wrote and really established. You are part of the mystery like you're either the investigator. The detective has an assistant that they explain things to very much like Sherlock Holmes and Watson sure. Or if the detective is working solo, say like Miss. Marple Miss. Marples might write. A list of suspects and their motives, and closed down as part of the narration, and your your lead in every step of the way, so you're hard of this working toward solving the mystery, and as it's very frequently, put it kind of puts you in a competition with author to see if you can figure out who who done it before the end of the book. Yeah, I mean that goes back to Encyclopedia Brown. The whole point is to try and figure that stuff out. Man I love those those are so great. Encyclopedia I remember. He busted one dumb kid who did something bad I? Can't remember the bugs, meany. Men. Good memory. It may have been bugs. Meany! was He kind of a big dumb? Oh, who'd like? BEAT UP ON CHIPMUNKS I? Think so okay. He busted bugs once because bugs had tears coming out of the. The outside corners of his eyes. FREAKAZOIDS rather than inside. Corners. That's good, but see the great thing about those books is at a twelve year old doesn't really. NECESSARILY, always pick up on those clues. Oh I did I was at that grade I'd be curious to see if they would stop me now. No I mean specifically with the outside of the I thing, but yeah, no I'm sure there are plenty. That I missed that she cried when you were boy. I knew staring in the mirror. And so then the end to wrap up the little genre sort of summary You've got this great ending usually where everyone's gathered together and the detective kind of walks everyone through the big reveal of exactly how the killer did it right and in her case she did not like when the killer is revealed. They didn't turn around and shoot them in the face like it's usually pretty non violent. They would be wrestled to the ground or arrested, or maybe they might run away and you hear later that they had killed themselves or something like that sure. There was rarely a grand finale where they would be pressed to death in front of a crowd. She needs it, so that I mean that's it like Bing Bang boom. That was when you started on page one of Agatha Christie novel. You knew exactly how everything was going to play out. And then one of the other things is because the sing was so formulaic. There was also room for this for the author to kind of play with you the reader In in using things like bluffs in red, herring out, sure think are basically the same thing, but the idea is that so the author? In this case? Agatha Christie would say something like you know early on in the book, a suspect would come running out of the house, looking shaken and Pale and you. The reader would be like well. That's just way too obvious. She's not going to name. She's not going to point out who the murderer is at the beginning of the book can disregard that person or this very obvious clue or something like that. Those kind of part of the interplay between author and reader, but then it could go even deeper to where she would say something like well. I know that you think that this is too obvious. I'm GONNA actually make this the actual murderer which she did in some cases, which was like a double bluff, apparently could just keep going on and on and on, but it was this kind of wrestling match, or maybe slap fight between Agatha Christie and you her reader, which made the whole thing all the more delight. That's right and she. Takes great pains to point out that she did not invent this genre There were people like Arthur CONAN doyle. and Poe before her that sort of establish some of these rules, but she was very popular. She's very good at what she did. she wrote about what she knew and we'll. We'll talk about her life. Coming up in a little bit, but. These manor houses in these estates in these English villages, and even the exotic locales. and these train trips and things were things that she actually experienced, and you know a lot of people are great at making stuff up. A lot of people are great about writing what they know and it seems like she was really great at writing what she knew. Yeah and I for some reason either. It was the time, or maybe because of her I'm not sure. It was kind of a chicken or the egg thing, but she happened to write about stuff that a lot of people wanted to read about these small you know English villages, and you know quaint mannerisms of the upper middle and upper class English Society set in this period of time that in for some reason to just captured everybody's attention, and apparently when she started expanding. I think after World War Two to some slightly more exotic locales like Egypt or Mesopotamia. You know for like a death on the Nile was very famous during this time or the owner express that really catapulted her into superstardom international superstardom to. Yeah I don't have a super firm. Read on the history of literature, but I get the idea that this is. Sort of aligned with the beginnings of poplar it. and like I call it the beach book I don't know if there had been a ton of stuff like this. That was just sort of pure comfort, food and entertainment up to this point. Yeah, I'm not sure. either. I know nothing that I'm familiar with I can say, but there were very entertaining books. They were humorous, a very dark sense of humor. Great Dialogue all these verbal joust between the detectives, and the suspects is really key to Genera. something nice out did really really well. That was one of my favorite scripts the year, maybe my favorite script well, but just really really good sharp writing, and it's no sort of no accident that she became so hugely popular. No and that's something like if you're not really familiar with Agatha, Christie and you just Kinda look up in passing. One of the things you'll be confronted with. Is that a lot of people? A lot of critics say she was a hack and when what they're talking about. Is that formula that she followed to almost like a? A soul, ously rational degree like that was the formula. That's what she followed but that really misses like the fact that she had a really great I for detail in the dialogue like you were saying she was a good writer and she could just crank workout at all. During the decade of the twenties, she wrote a book I. Year a might have even become more prolific later on in the thirties and forties to yet and she She was a business person. You know Mike There's nothing wrong with saying. Wow, people love this stuff and they sell a lot and Although it took a while for that to happen as we'll see, but there's there's nothing wrong with any of that, I. Think People that call our hack can fly. Yeah go fly with extreme prejudice. Should we take a break? I think so man will come back and talk about her life great. World is your. podcast the new podcast with a first perspective on pop culture. The NFL. 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I think it is very much like persona. Right the legendary Devonshire CACTUS. Right so. So which stocks the more, that's right. And she was one of three kids, and I think her older brother and sister were both at least a decade older than her, so she had like a very solitary childhood, which appears to have made her fairly happy, she didn't go to school. She was raised by governesses and educated by governesses, spent a lot of time reading and just hung out around her family's estate. Yeah I, mean they had some dough? They were They were not wealthy wealthy, but they were definitely upper-middle-class. An inheritance from her paternal grandfather, such that her dad didn't need to work Apparently, she is on record as saying that Mike Her dad wasn't around. Much didn't really impact me once much, so he can go fly a kite as well. There's a lot of kite flying. And she was she loved being out in the garden she wasn't. I get the impression. She wasn't like reclusive or anything, but she very much enjoyed time with her self alone, but also had friends and stuff when she eventually did go to school wants her father passed, and they couldn't afford that governess right, but she was a very very shy person. the novelist Joe Neka. Selah says they even as an adult. She was so shy that sometimes she wouldn't go into shops because she would have to interact with the shopkeeper so it is a novel list you know. How many Nautilus the life of the Party and super outgoing. You never met Philip Roth. I just Kinda picture like the Stephen King's just locked in an attic somewhere and not like well. Let me ride a little bit. Then I'm going to go. Go to a party, right? Go play. Pick up basketball, maybe volunteer at the local Food Bank I don't know it's sort of a solitary pastime so sure there are examples of of extroverted authors but I think she kind of fits the mold that generally think of especially for a lady mystery writer, yeah, and you think not only fits the mold. The more I learn about her. She made the mold drag. Basically everything we take for granted as far as writing and mystery. Writing goes like she basically made it up. It's pretty impressive stuff. Yes, so she. Um, we said she did some pretty to us. Dumb dumbs in America seem like exotic. Traveling trips, but if he lived in England at the time, it's no big deal to go to Egypt. and. Check out the pyramids that was if you had a little dough. That was pretty common vacation that you might take so she did stuff like that, and she was exposed to exotic locales and use those inner work in a very first novel, even snow upon the desert. She wrote when she was like twenty two or twenty three years old. I think in She had a hard time getting published at first because she was young woman. Yes, she was rejected out of hand and apparently also she'd started writing because her sister that she probably wouldn't able to write a mystery novel, which I'd love. So she did, she wrote the What was it snow on? What snow upon the desert snow upon the desert and she was very young, then an in between the time she wrote snow upon the desert and the mysterious affair styles, which would be your first published book I, believe she would Salah to life in their in the form of getting married to a guy named. Archibald Archie Christie and one of the things about Agatha. Christie's that she was she never. She wasn't a born writer, even though she did right as a younger person like you were saying like she wasn't like. She just didn't want to be a writer as a kid and she ended up writing really seriously after she and Archie Christie got married because Archie. Christie wasn't a particularly wealthy and couldn't necessarily care for himself, so she started writing to to make money. which some people suspect is the reason. She got into mystery writing in the first place because there was a very very popular genre. Even yeah, well, it makes sense. So. She had the skills to pay the bills. It turns out. That's right. they were married nineteen fourteen He was Kinda promptly sent to fight in the great in France, and she worked etta forest at a war hospital during that period, and this is where she learned a lot about potions and poisons and pharmaceuticals and things that she would. There's a lot of poisoning that goes on in her books. Yeah, and she later in her career. I think she actually would consult doctors and stuff like that because she wanted everything to be really medically accurate, but early on. She learned a lot about this stuff from her work in the pharmacy. Kinda cool and ghoulish. You know she's like. How exactly would a person die for bottle that I'm holding so yeah, and apparently most of the deaths in her books are poisonings, and like you were saying like you rarely see the person die. They just come upon the body and most of the Times poison body. Sometimes there there was violence visited upon them, but for the most part is a body that was found poisoned to death. Yes, that's a good vehicle for a mystery novel because. You know there's no murder weapon, per se I guess there's the poison bottle but it can often be very vague a poisoning death like it could have been a heart attack like he had to kind of Suss out at first whether or not, it was even a murder. It's not like an obvious thing where there's a a bullet hole in their chester. Something like that right right? Yeah, so poisoning is what she went with. Typically it's another example also chuck I think of like writing what she knew to or at least writing, what interested her and she wrote in I believe nineteen twenty. No during the during world, war one so while she was working at the dispensary. Archie was all flying in France I believe She wrote the mysterious affair styles. And it was. That's the one I started reading it. I don't understand how it was rejected at first, but it was It's a really interesting book just right out of the gate. in that it it pulls you right into this little country. English estate, no, the people on it and you realize just after a couple of pages that you're already invested in them, which is pretty amazing. This is like not her first book, but it was her first a serious work. That wasn't published immediately. It wasn't published until nineteen twenty. And I think even after it was published, it wasn't an immediate catapult to success for her, but it was a it was a remarkable first book to be published. Yeah, and this is the one that introduced the world to her chief detective for a lot of those novels. Mister Poirot like we mentioned. And later on astor why he was Belgian. In, she said why not basically right I don't think a whole lot of thought went into it It turned out to be a really good choice because he had this kind of interesting accent in everywhere, he went. They were never set in Belgium so everywhere he went. He was this sort of Sort of strange foreigner that would come into town. with this accent that no one quite understood, and he just had this sort of larger than life presence. I think because that's what turned out to be a really smart choice. Yeah, he was also a well-known Dandy who was very vain about his appearance and he apparently said in one of the later books that he plays up his foreignness and his danus to Disarm suspects when he's interrogating them to make them take him less seriously than they otherwise might man. I WanNa talk about knives out so much you cannot. I appreciate you not doing that, so she had a daughter. We should mention in nineteen nineteen named Roselend and that's the only child she ever had, and it was in nineteen twenty year later. they finally did publish the mysterious affair at styles after she agreed to change the ending. They said we don't like poor row. Revealing all this evidence in court, so she changed the ending, they said great That's when she went on to publish that novel every year for about ten years. Right very very big books, but they weren't They were popular, but she wasn't like a superstar internationally at this point yet. No not yet again. She really catapulted later on because she moved some of these more exotic locales, but one of the things that. Cemented her legend as a mystery writer, in addition to all of the workshop, did in addition to a prolific nece and her extreme talent at this formula that she had worked out was Would still today is considered an unsolved mystery. In fact, there was featured on a nineteen ninety-four episode of unsolved mysteries. which I just randomly happened to see recently and She disappeared. There's a whole sub. Plot tag the Christie's life that was really surprising, especially compared to how boring and normal and just kind of plotting. With these instead of tease her normal life was the fact that she has this grand mystery. Plunk down in the middle of it is is pretty impressive yet. Here's a here's the back story she and Archie. Were not meant to be together as it turns out, revealed that he was having an affair with a lady named Nancy Neal was a friend of the family. And obviously that was the end of their marriage so at the end of nineteen twenty six. they decided they were going to take a trip together a weekend or To be with his friends instead, and then she vanished into seemingly thin air They found her car near rock quarry with her coat and her driver's license, their and no Agatha Christie. No in her car wasn't just near the rock quarry, according to some reports like one of the wheels hanging over the edge of this cliff and still spinning. Right so, but she was gone she they couldn't find her. And so within a couple of days this massive search depending on who you ask in depending on when you ask them ten like ten thousand plus people were searching for probably more likely couple thousand, which is still really remarkable for this tiny little area in the southwest of England, at the time in one, thousand, nine, hundred eighty six so the that really kind of demonstrates. She was already a well known writer. She wasn't legendary yet, but this is disappearances the. Mechanism by which she becomes legendary, I think, and this goes on for a good week. I believe right. When did she disappear December? What I think December third is when they were going to take that trip, so she was going almost two weeks in a by gone. We mean just vanished. She left behind that car. She left behind the driver's license for like you. You said she was gone, her husband had come came to be known to have asked for divorce already, so people were like well. Did he bumper off and she's a mystery writer known for generating stuff like this, so even at the time some people were like. Is this a publicity stunt because it's a pretty good one? If it is sure it worked in. Those a band at this place called the Swan Hydropower Ethic Hotel in Yorkshire, which kind of just sounds like a bit of a Kellogg brothers type of joint. Have you seen a cure for wellness? Well, we. We talked about that in that podcast. Do We? I can't remember if you've seen it I'd never saw it. Have you yet. I still have not seen it. Hey Miss, that much, but it is pretty interesting. It's quits worth seeing at least once. I might check it out. But any rate. They had a band here. Because what Hydro Pathak, hotel does not. Have a house band and they came forward and said Hey. That's Agatha, Christie Lady. She's been staying here for a week. She's been in the electric light bath cabinet. And getting a yogurt animas, and having a grand old time, so they went to the cops, and the cops went to the lead detective. and Said No, no, no, she's been murdered and we're trying to find out the killer I'm sure of it eventually, this detective said well. Let me tell her husband. And husband Archie went out to check it out on the fourteenth of December there she was, she was in seclusion and That was sort of the end of this mystery. It wasn't so much a mystery you know she by. All accounts seemed like she went there because she had. Thought about or maybe tried to drive her car into that quarry and and kill herself because she was upset about her marriage ending. Yeah and then it didn't happen, and she just kind of goes on. A walkin ends up at this place. May or may not have invented an Nesia story or may have actually happened to some degree. She didn't talk about a lot, so we don't really know exactly what went down with the Amnesia. She said that so two years later she gave an interview with the Daily Mail apparently explained the Amnesia by saying she hit her head on the steering wheel, but in the same interview. She says that she'd let go of the steering wheel, so she basically said like I attempted suicide and it didn't. Didn't work out I hit my head on the steering wheel, and I wandered off and I had amnesia, but the the. They think that it's just a family cover story to save face the same Nesia story and that really she had attempted to take her life and hadn't succeeded in now regretted it and was embarrassed by all of this, because the idea that there were thousands of people looking for I think probably never crossed her mind when she wandered away from her car now. And that remember she was very shy person so this all this attention was very very hard honor, so the the family just came up with this cover story that she had Amnesia soon. Bother asking and Archie and she stayed together for another year or so, and then their divorce finally became finalized in nineteen. Twenty eight. Yes, so she didn't even mention this in her autobiography. which kind of says all? You need to know about how much she liked to talk about this right? We should say there was one other thing that did this to. It wasn't just Artie asking for a divorce. He asked for a divorce a few months after her mother died and Agatha. Christie's mother was beloved to her. She worshiped her mother. She thought she was wonderful. Her mother was the parent that was there for her while. While she was a kid and raised her It was just a very interesting person. It sounds like Sushi died. Archie asks for a divorce a few months later, and then this whole mysterious disappearance happened. That's right, and then one last thing I read the at the Swan Hydro. Hotel she was actually playing cards, and chatting with other guests about this mysterious disappearance that was in all of the newspapers and none of the other guests recognized her. It was those band members that you mentioned interesting. I thought so too man, so that's everything I learned from unsolved mysteries. Should we take a break? Finally all right, let's Let's take our final break and we'll talk a little bit more about her later life and further success. Hey guys, it's Amy Jay and I'm so excited to out that for the season finale of my podcast list we ruth J we have NBA star and Mental Health Advocate Kevin Love. Nothing robs us of more human potential than mental illness. It's so it's like the pandemic that nobody's talking about. We talk about Kevin's journey with his anxiety depression, and of course to the amazing NBA career. Listen to let's be real with Sammy J on the iheartradio. APP, apple, podcast or wherever you get your podcast. All right, so it's nineteen twenty eight. At this point She is freshly divorced. She kept that name because you know she. That's the name that made her famous, so it makes a lot of sense. And she kept writing novels She travelled on the Orient Express to Baghdad, she got into archaeology just sort of a hobbyist. And made friends with the couple were archaeologist went to visit them. In one, thousand, nine, thirty, in on that trip met a man named Max Mallon. who was an also an adventure in an archaeologist, thirteen years younger, and they fell in love and got married, which is a very very sweet story. Yeah, apparently, he was giving her a tour of some archaeological sites and he got the car. Car Stuck and she apparently, he said later she made no fuss about it didn't blame him or anything like that. And he said that's about the time when I started to begin to realize that you are wonderful. And so they got married and she said later on that the good thing about being married to an archaeologist. Is that the older you get, the more interested they become? Interesting. Those kind of cute, so this is when Miss Marple comes along as a as a detective in nineteen thirty with the murder at the vicarage. That was our first one that was the first Miss Marple book okay, and then she's traveling around. She's doing these archaeological digs and trips. She's going to Syria and Iraq She fell in love with Syria and the Syrian. People and she's really cranking out some big books at this point in the nineteen thirties That's like even even on archaeological digs chuck. Can you imagine how uncomfortable it would be to sit and right for hours at an archaeological site? I can't. It would be tough. I would thinking yet. She was still just as prolific as ever yet. Books like murder, Mesopotamia and death on the Nile in murder on the Orient Express were all written. During this period, and this is what really catapulted her into international superstardom an author. So She and Max stayed together for I think forty six years until her death actually yeah I think. Yeah, let him since pretty sweet but despite all of this kind of Adventure in archaeological digs in like visits to the the Middle East most of her life. From that point on was in Devonshire in this tiny little area in the English countryside in these the quaint little towns and she gardened and was very involved in local community theater. That was her life. She was also one of the. Biggest. Most well known most bestselling. Writers of of in the world while she was alive and yet that's what she did. She hung out with the Community Theater Group in garden though it was just her life. Yes, she got the dame commander of the order of the British Empire in Nineteen seventy-one and The rights to her novels were held by company that she created for a long time, and then she died, she sold part of that off, and that's been sort of and sold a bunch of the years, which is kind of how that usually happens right but she did retain enough of the of the company to have it be worth a ton of money which he passed down to her daughter, of course as her only child, she sort of took care of her mother's works for many many years, and then pass that on to her only child. Many Matthew Pritchard who still holds these rights and still sort of manages that today. That's right. So everything turned out well for Matthew Pritchard. Heck Yeah. I wish you wish my grandma was actually a dunk because I love my grandma, but sure would it to be an internationally famous author. No, it wouldn't chuck and I'm glad we're finally talking about is. In an elephant in the room for a very long time so she you know. A lot of these went on to be very famous films. TV series I think murder on the Orient Express has been a couple of big movies in fact one a couple of years ago that I have not seen. It's unwatchable. That was a really bad. I'm sorry. If you listen to this Kenneth Brown I couldn't make it through the first five minutes Oh wow, it was. I didn't like it, okay? Is that all. Ronnie. Yes, okay, so that's my report is on the first five minutes. She very famously has a play called the mouse trap, which is debuted at the west end in nineteen, fifty two minute is the longest running play in the history of the West End, which is remarkable. Yeah, and to make that even sweeter remember her sister who said that she probably couldn't write a mystery novel. While her sister was the first in the family to get a play produced on the West End, but it certainly wasn't the longest running play on the west end of all time, so she got her back doubly so and then she was hit by a train and Agatha Christie laughed and laughed empoisoned her corpse. So we need to talk a little bit here at the end We always like to give everyone's Give everyone the accolades eight serve, but also point out some of the things that weren't so great We don't WanNA whitewash anything and she is a lot of kind of A. Racially insensitive language. Some would call Anti Semitic times anti-catholic. through parts of her career such that the Anti Defamation League complained to her agent at one point, and because of that American publishers were given the ability to change that stuff out sort of at will. Without without any notice given to her, she just she didn't know. This is going on at all. Yeah! No I don't think the Americans are going to go for this. The Brits can barely stand. The Americans definitely aren't gonNA. Take this well. Yeah, I read a lot about this and there are different takes one take. Is that the old you know? She was a product of her time thing which people You know rightfully point out Another is the oftentimes. She's doing this To show characters are sort of developed as humans in sort of backward. So. There's that as well, but you also can't dance around the fact that she did use some pretty bad words. And you know we just got bad stuff out then they were bad even at the time. Yeah like it, wasn't it? Yes, you can say like yeah. A lot of people had different social attitudes toward race and racism and in in that sense. She wasn't that much different, but there were cases where she was standing well outside of the norm, including in book titles in characters and things like that One book in particular and then there were none was revised many many times, not just in the US, but in Great Britain as well and it's remarkable in that sense, but in another sense there is also remarkable in that it. It's considered pretty widely to have given birth to the slasher film genre. Did you know that I didn't until my bread ED? Say I I looked this up a little more and on its own, and then there were nine. The book ends sorry for the spoiler everybody, but it ends with. I think all of the suspects killing one another and everyone dies in the stage adaptation of the play that she helped write They're the final girl. A female characters left alive and has out done the murderer who's come together. which is you know for the formula for any slasher film whatsoever, but there's a bunch of other elements in there, too, and they're like you know even on like horror. Fan wikileaks they they point to. That is like the genuine birth, even more than psycho of the slasher film. Genre interesting yeah. It is pretty interesting. You who would've ever thought that Agatha Christie with nonviolence in poison. An. Occasional racism would have been the one to two birth. The slasher film occasional racism yet and a lot of the the racist stuff just to put a final pin on. That was A lot of it was character descriptions, which can niece some of the ugliest kinds of stuff like that 'cause. It wasn't just like. Talking about philosophies, it was just like literally physically describing a character Sometimes she would use some pretty pretty derogatory language. Yeah, so again. It's a bit like exploring Elizabeth Blackwell Ernie Store Co.. Character is always. Weird little bugs under the rocks. You Turnover, you know I'm glad we're doing our great work in and the time of woke notice. No one can ever go back. I mean we've made missteps here and there, but they can't go back and talk about when Josh Chuck. We're big racists at the beginning. You know it's true, but just wait for twenty years from now. There'll be like I can't believe we talk. Those guys were ages bastards. You know probably so. There's one other thing I want to say too. So when she lived through World War Two Agatha Christie was worried that she's going to die in the bombing blitz of great. Britain and she really wanted Hercule Poirot and Jay Marples to have a final case, so she wrote a book for each of them. one is called curtain. That's poor, rose from final book, and the other is sleeping murder that is marples, final case and in it just kind of explains what happened. My belief. Poor road dies. Marples just retires. But when she survived World War, two was like well I. Don't I'm not ready for these guys to be retired yet. So she kept those books and had them posthumously published, and they were in the seventies, and when her Hercule Poirot rose, last book came out, and he died. The New York Times ran a front page obituary for him the only fictional character to have that honor bestowed on them as crazy. Isn't it yeah, and also very cool good idea to write those books early on just in case because you never know. Yeah, besides the bombing thing I mean she could. She could walk off a ledge or get hit by a bus or die of natural causes early like you never know, and then you've got this legacy cemented. Great Pretty Smart. Have you ever seen one last thing? Have you ever seen murder by death I? Know I've asked you before. I have that DVD sitting on my desk well. That's amazing that you have that on your desk and you wait. Is it on your desk at work? Place, I was GONNA. Say Watch tonight, but don't watch it tonight. wait until everything clears. No, it's a spoof. Actually detective books of like Charlie, chained in Agatha Christie and Sam Spade and all that that she helped you know Kinda create, but it's actually like a complaint from fans of mystery mysteries. It's wonderful book trimming movie. Truman capote's in it David. Peter. Peter Falk. a lot of people James Cromwell as a younger man. James Coco is Hercule Poirot. It's his great. You're GONNA love him. So I guess, we should say that. She did I eventually five years or three years after I met her. In Nineteen, seventy, six at the age of eighty, five at her home, in Oxfordshire or richer, and it was natural causes, not poison. Know her last words were good to meet you chuck. Anything else. I do not have anything else well friends that is Agatha Christie. If you I know more about the Christie Start Reading Agatha Christie books. Agatha, Christie like three or four times. 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