Female Firsts: Wangari Muta Maathai


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Being here thank you for having me again. We just had a rousing discussion About aliens and how they should look resolutions running and disliking running and the little bit of Are are kind of disastrous mornings. At a bit of mishaps. We made it through them. which is important part we did we did? You're here to tell the tell. That actually is probably a very important part to a lot of these female. I we talk about. Yeah you're right because they do get pretty intense in some parts like they went through lie. They struggled old ally and they fought a lot but you know they did a lot of good things to yes and the one the person who brought for us today she did so so much and Very important to the discussions. We're having now around the environment and in sustainability things that are on a lot of people's minds as it should be. Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking like. I feel like it's really good to be able to talk about today. We're going to be talking about when Gary Muthu Matai And she did a lot of stuff that had to do with environmental activism and that is is clearly something that we're talking about right now today and then choose say. Oh let me find somebody. Who's doing something that has to do with the environment? It just Kinda came like. Oh she's as someone who is you know first of all from the African continent which I feel like maybe we've discussed somebody from African continent and so far. I can't remember but yeah like that was really important to me. And also the actual work that she's doing is so relevant in to what we're talking about bound and is also very recent and also had a very global impact and she knows what she's talking about. She knows what she's doing and she's he's also left a great legacy behind her. That just kind of touched people of all different cultures and people of all different nationalities which I think is a really cool thing. Yeah Yeah when I was reading her story. I always stress the importance of context in these stories. That we That you bring to us is in. Its is recent and it's kind of shocking. How much she did? And how much things have changed. Just through the sixties and seventies kind of just this tumultuous cauldron of all these things happening and is also just a very indicative of the actual issues that people were going through in Kenya and on the African continent at the time because obviously environmental issues are global issues. But they're also very specific to the locales and a climates which all the activists separately reside They're all different but also related in some way and I think think her perspective and how she kind of got into her activism and her work is indicative of that but I feel like I'm getting ahead of myself right now. Yeah let's go so it's like oh my gosh. She's amazing and who she really is so yeah. Ty was the first African African woman to win the Nobel Prize and she was the first woman to become an assistant professor at the University of Nairobi. She was the first woman ahead of University Department in Kenya And the first woman in eastern Central Africa to earn a PhD. So that's what we're here for right. That's right I like it so. She was born on April first. Nineteen forty in Kenya and she was the daughter of kickapoo subsistence farmers. The Kikuyu Ethnic Nick Group and Kenya she had five siblings and she was raised in an area of Kenya that was known as the white highlands which was so called because there is policy policy that certain agricultural lands and Kenya should be reserved for Europeans. So her older brother convinced their parents that she go to school. Rather than focus on household this whole responsibilities which you could imagine plentiful because she has so many siblings Rather big family to take care of. She went to the teeth a primary school the Saint. Thanks Cecilia School. And then the Laredo Limuru girl school so after completing school there she got a scholarship. And that's because the Kennedy Kennedy Administration in the US at the time was funding initiatives for people in Eastern Africa in Kenya specifically to study in the US. And so that's how she got a scholarship to study at university in the US so where she ended up going was Mount Saint Scholastica College in Kansas and she stayed in us to study at university for a bitch who graduated with her bachelors and biology in nineteen sixty four and she stayed in the US. You got her master's from the University of Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania and then so by this time when she returned to Kenya after she graduated the whole eastern colonialism process was ending. Kenya had gained his independence and when she went back there is she had a research assistant position that had been promised to her so oh. She was recruited to be a research assistant in zoology and that was at the University of Nairobi and she found out when she got to the campus that she she had been denied the position and she thought that that was because of gender discrimination so after that she got another research assistant position and this time it was in an apartment veterinary anatomy so she started. She continued working. twos not discouraged by that so she started pursuing her doctoral Turell studies in Germany. PhD From University of Nairobi. Says he was the first woman to get a doctorate degree in eastern Central Africa. Wow how pretty. I can't even imagine writing the first person or woman. Yeah I cannot live on the treatment at that level of achievement. Yeah Yeah I are not not on that same plane. That's cool though didn't lead a pathway for other women not not that I know of not that I know of I wonder the reporting on it. The like wow. This woman has become the first do this. Yes and all the nicotine possibly probably but as we know from I feel like previous people in just in general how these things work. A lot of those first aren't recognized in a contemporary manner. It's just like the person's doing thing and then we go back and look at them sometimes posthumously. You know way back in the day But we start to realize okay. You know this yeah this happened. And this is part of a long story in a long lineage of people and things that they did so we kind of situate- The the first within the history after a lot of the time right. That's true that's a good point. As far as her personal life she married a Nairobi a businessman who kind of had aspirations in politics and she married him in nineteen sixty nine. She met him years before and eventually they had three kids together and he ran for parliament in early nineteen seventies. His first campaign was unsuccessful even though she helped him with that and then later in their story in the early nineteen eighties they went through this whole divorce suit and he accused her of adultery and is also said said that he thought that she was educated in too strong willed and minded and too hard to control in. That was part of the reason that they got a divorce. But it was a pretty pretty contentious situation She ended up going to court lost the case they ended up getting divorced. She was even jailed for a short time about three days after it because she accused the judge of being incompetent war and this is also when his last name was spelled with one a. m. a. t. h. a. i.. And she changed her name to have to as because of the whole situation. They requested that. Yeah so it was. That was later in life. After years of them. Having been together they separated before they divorced. But yeah that was part of love their story. Yeah so in. Nineteen seventy three and this is where we get to all of the things. Obviously we're not GONNA have room room to like talk about every single thing that she did because she did so many different things But in one thousand nine hundred eighty three she became the director of Nairobi's branch of the National Red Cross Oss. So we see her already in the late sixties early seventies getting into all of her activism all of her environmental work in realizing through her research and just her personal life observation. The the thing I really love about her stories like how often we think of of how we think of academics in terms of the work that they do like they did all this study at these universities and this is their education is what influence them in what what made them be able to address issues in a certain way but observation is also a very important thing in our lives that can drive us to do better things because I and I think stories just a great example of that like she talks about how much in during her childhood and during her life how she was just noticing what was happening around her our house she was listening to village women. Tell her what they needed. And that observation is a big part of what drove her to do her environmental work realizing that she could connect. Act The things that are happening around her and the work that she's interested in doing and skills that she does have in the education that she is getting and combining the two will does several things together to really create a huge impact. So I really like that about her story. Yes so she started moving up in her roles. At at the university she became a senior lecturer in the nineteen seventies and she became the chair of her department and then she became an assistant professor in nineteen seventy seven and so her a post. Doctoral research made her aware of all the things that was happening in her country especially in rural areas and all all the issues that people were facing whether that had to do with the environment or personal issues. And we'll we'll get into some of the things that specifically that drove her research. That was happening in Kenya the time the later her husband campaigning for a seat in parliament again in one and this is before they divorced one thing that he advocated for was finding for an employed in so with that spirit that entity that was happening Matai connected that need to her environmental mental efforts and then she started this business called Enviro care where she was getting people to plant trees. That business wasn't that successful but those efforts did it lead her to you. Know more successful efforts and the connections that she already had with all these people do the work that she was doing. Let her getting the National Council of Women of Kenya to help her launch a tree planting project called save the land her on Bay and Harambee is Swahili word. That means all pulled together and that eventually eventually turned into the Green Belt Movement which is one of her. Most well known initiatives. Even time right. Yeah yes but that's huge. Yeah yeah she was active in the National Council of Women of Kenya for a really long time. For 'em around ninety. He's seventy six to eighty seven while she was serving with them. She started introducing this idea of community based tree planting that she had already introduced her other work. Much of the population in Africa depended on wood for fuel but at the time there was a lot of deforestation happening so But trees were depleted because they were being raised in they weren't being replaced at the same rate So obviously that leads to a lot of different issues including nutritional deficiencies poverty. Because there would be they had to walk talk along way to get water to be able to get the fuel There is desert. Were there once was trees. The forestation also caused soil runoff off and water pollution which is obviously important to a person being able to sustain themselves in terms of the food that they eat and speaking of sustain themselves a lot of the children are also had to start being fit with processed foods because of this and livestock to have vegetation to eat and on top of all that under the colonial period like British governors they were planting nonnative trees instead of indigenous trees. So it just had all these affects on the way that people lived in their ability to live hole in fruitful lives so she started it getting into all that and realizing how that affected people and specifically women and she opened an agency that paid impoverished people to plant trees insurance and so she decided to campaign for a seat in parliament that will become open area. Nineteen eighty two and to do this. She had to resign from the University of Nairobi. That was when condition that she she couldn't be there to be able to run and so the electoral authorities awardees said that she couldn't run. She was disqualified for money because she hadn't registered to vote so because of that registration in the last presidential election action because that registration technicality. They kind of pulled her out of that situation. She obviously took issue with that decision but she ended up being disqualified disqualified anyway and wanted to go back to the university because obviously she needs a job and they refused to rehire her her or restore her benefits and they visited her from university housing so she was no longer there anymore. Bright Oh man MHM that's through time. That's yeah time. So that's definitely when the raid in her story. which is there were? She had a lot of opposition so she did have a lot of supporters and also supported a lot of people through employment and just like you know personal support but she had a lot of people who oppose the work that she was doing because she was so pro democracy the things that she was talking about the things that she was standing up against and was viewed as kind of anti-government and in that respect a lot of the press that she you got in that the Green Belt Movement guy in the media was negative right and because of that a lot of people were discouraged from wanting to be associated with the movement because of its you know yeah reputation uh-huh but it was still a successful movement so we'll get into so she poured her energy into that Green Belt Movement And and its main focus was poverty reduction and environmental conservation and focusing on this singular. This goal of planting trees MHM and is goal was to plant trees all across Kim unifier ocean and to create firewood for the fuel for people there and Dan to create jobs for women because women were really instrumental and being the people who planted trees and so over the years. They planted tens of millions of trees in Africa. Yes they did this by establishing tons of nurseries that offered free feelings to people And then the communities would plant And the very small amount small payment was given for every tree that was planted but they had to make sure that they took care of the tree for three months. That was part of the deal And even though it's a small amount of that can make a big difference. Someone's life for many of those women who are subsistence. Farmers did a half extra food to give for our to sail not give that money was some of their income. Well man tens the millions and was able to help that many in different ways amazing. Yeah it is yeah. I think that'd be really cool. I know we'll probably get this later. Yeah but there's an interview That one guy did with On being and she described the power of seeing a tree that you've planted right careers and years later knowing that you did that and it's out of here. Yeah Yeah Yeah. The this tree content became the tree itself itself through all the work that she did it kind of became this movement of democracy of like the legacy of of so many things through the work that she did. Yeah so yeah. That's a really good. The point and all the work through the Green Belt Movement also helped conserve the soil and the ecology of the end and obviously gave thousands of people opportunities for employment and she worked over time. This became more than just about trees. obviously it was that from the beginning but they also started to provide other services besides tree planting so she worked with the National Council of Women of Kenya to give services like family and we planning like nutrition food security HIV awareness and leadership skills so it became this environmental and civic educational program Graham for people and that ended up spreading. Its tendrils through a bunch of countries in Africa and throughout the world as well and eventually it formerly separated from the National Council of Women Have Kim and see even though Matai was already so involved in politics became more involved in politics over time and protests and activism and in nineteen eighty nine. She protested the construction of A huge tower. Who Park in Nairobi? So she started sending out a bunch of letters to all of these people. Different government officials cels different organizations in Kenya to protest. Like just putting the pressure on people to protest this office tower being Built a whole complex thing and she claimed that the building was expensive and that money should instead be spent on other things because this is going to be tens of millions of dollar project like Poverty Hunger Education and obviously this project had a bunch of foreign investors and through all of the processing that happened even though she was getting a lot. Of flack impressed. Once again for her protested for not being quiet quaint yeah complacent in all those things that a woman was supposed to be. She still managed to like that that whole oh protests managed to be successful and investors ended up pulling out of the whole situation not long after her protesting began and the skyscraper was bill. That was one thing of the many things data protested against and she also opposed the one party state that there was in Kenya. Can you at the time. So Matab was also involved in the Forum for the restoration of Democracy which was a group that opposed among other things. This group group cut branch dot had groups in different countries but in Kenya was opposed to the leadership of president. Daniel arap Moi and her opposition. Aren't her the ire of the president. Senate not just through her work with the forum but also all the other things that she was doing so going back to that project with the office tower he was really against her speaking about that too and had a lot of nasty things to say about her for her vocalisations on that issue and she faced Kamini arrests beatings and dealings because of the work that she was doing. She advocated for the release of political prisoners and in Nineteen ninety-two. She went on a hunger strike with the Group of mothers of Political Prisoners and that ended up being successful well even though she and a lot of other people who are involved in the strike were beaten by police during the protest but at the end of that strike the government did it released the majority of the political prisoners. We have a lot more of our discussion with ease but first we have a quick break break for word from our sponsor okay so a recent recent study found that a great hair day makes you happier more confident but that same study also revealed that ninety five percent of women don't feel great about their hair. I can definitely gently relate to the confidence part because my hair is doing something a little weird or something. I don't want to do then I can't stop thinking about it. The rest of the day Alma Guy. We've all been there. But now I'm using panting new rosewater collection it contains moisture rich ingredients that are known for hydrating eating skin. 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She was also arrested for more protests and later charged with spreading rumors that the president was planning to star in government power over to the military terry and so while she was in jail waiting on her charge. She was refused medical treatment. So it's just like it's there was a lot of like fighting happening there like there was a lot of conflict and a lot of this kind of fabrication of like issues. When it came to the worked she was doing because she was so vocal because she was so active an her environmental causes so nineteen ninety-seven and she said that she was running for parliament and for the President See as part of the Liberal Party of Kenya and as part of her campaign and she was continuing to say the same things be about the about what she always been about? Basically denouncing the corruption in the government and imagining a society sidy where people really embraced their cultural is spiritual background as they participated in government but her candidacy candidacy was withdrawn by the party without notifying her until days before the election. That says she did. It announce her campaign until not long before the election itself but she ended up getting that parliament seat. Wow Wow they didn't tell her just like people are afraid of strong women. This is true of power and obviously the opposition. They had to do everything everything they could to try to undermine her mortgage seems yeah. She was determined. Yes another thing that she did it. As part of all her work was working on the jubilee. Two thousand campaign which was this global campaign But in her her case when she became the CO chair of the campaign in Kenya which she did in Nineteen Ninety Eight specifically focusing on the countries in Africa but the campaign was aiming to cancel foreign debt for poor countries by the year. Two thousand which is where that number two thousand comes from the name of the campaign. So she wasn't. There were a lot of people who are against there including you know Moy and all a bunch of other government officials and just people in general Who didn't like how she was challenging government man and how she was speaking up for all these pro-democracy positions and all these activities that she had going on in relation to that it just as some examples? She was hospitalized in nineteen ninety nine for a head wound and a concussion that she suffered during Government arranged attack so she was working on this project where she and some supporters planting trees in a career forest which is is in Nairobi and she was protesting against a clearing of the forest for private development That's one thing that happened to her. At another point. They forced the Green Belt Movement to move from. Its office in a government owned building to her home She when she formed the tribal clashes resettlement volunteer service in one thousand nine hundred thirty to help victims of state sanctioned political violence in the risk valley the government accused of inciting violence and tried to shut down. Her organizations. Meetings by sending in police is to disrupt things so those are just some of the things that she was up against The list could go on but we won't do that. Yeah it sounds like quite a lot and she definitely put her. She was somebody who put her body on the line say she was a powerhouse and everything are obviously in her work ethic and and just in her believes she was unmovable. Plant a tree. Yes Oh look at that. They don't work together a civil war we go. We got Jet America. I'm actually surprised. There haven't been more tree puns. But I'm I'm glad ad it's not appropriate. You're saving for the all in my keeping them to myself for once you you're writing it though for later Eh One of her biggest opponents Moi left office in two thousand and two and that same year she ran for parliament and was elected with a large majority of the vote The President ended up appointing her the Minister for Environment and natural resources sources and wildlife. And she's serving the government and parliament until two thousand five and this is We're getting into the later years of her life at this point and she was recognized for a lot of her work she got a lot of honorary degrees and awards like too many to mention here but a ton of them but one of the big ones was the Nobel peace prize which she got in two thousand four and she was the first African woman to get the Nobel Peace Prize and she got it for her contribution to sustainable development democracy and peace. So that's that's one of the awards that she got and in her acceptance speech which is really interesting. She noted how she was influenced by the things that you know we were talking about earlier. She observed when she was a child and Kenya She's soft Boris being cleared and replaced by commercial plantations and she saw local diversity being destroyed and she also said that when she started the Green Belt Movement she was is really responding to the needs that roar women were saying that they had which were specifically the lack of firewood clean drinking water ballots diets shelter income and she also called out to the facts was just how integral women were in the development of the work that she wanted to do with the Green Belt Movement and the work this ended up doing with the movement and that'd be saying that because they were primary caretakers throughout Africa there irresponsible for taking care of the land and for taking care of the family that they were often the first one to become aware of of any environmental damage that was happening even if they didn't recognize how thing was necessarily affecting the other in their personal experience right yeah And she got some of the other awards as she got. Were the Goldman Environmental Prize. The French Legion of Honour. Japan's Grand Cordon of the order of the rising sun and Like I said more honorary degrees. He also authored several books. One of them was a memoir that was called bowed and another book called the challenge for Africa Other writings she was named a UN messenger of peace in two thousand nine and the next year in partnership with at the University of Nairobi. She founded the Guy Matai Institute for Peace and Environmental Studies and yes oh she just continued. L. Not only doing her homework in her organization when it came to environmental causes also participating in like teaching other. There are people about those things and making sure that other people learn about environmental issues when it came to academics but just general you know Environmental Education Education for people so you know spreading all of that knowledge around the world and two thousand eleven. She was diagnosed with ovarian cancer is. She ended up dying that year from complications of the cancer but her legacy. That was what you know only so long long ago but you know her. Legacy is clearly still apparent in the world in apparent in Kenya and she's well remembered and fortunately absolutely was able to be recognized during her lifetime. Yeah and I think one of my favorite things about her. You're on the things that she did is there. Is this awareness of taking care of the future of looking out for future generations that she we started all of these things and spread her knowledge to make sure that things would continue once she was no longer around. And I actually think that's one of the biggest problems with humanity and when it comes to sustainability is really bad about doing that. We're really bad about thinking about future future generations because right now this is easy thing to do to continue as we are right but she made sure that she's left behind these things so that hopefully we could continue the work that she was doing right. Yeah it seems her whole idea has were an idea of the big picture. She didn't see as one little thing. We're planting trees that we're planting trees but with these things in mind whether it's to provide the economic stability for a group of women whole group of people who need that assistance right now but we'll do it through this Lavenu. She had this very thoughtful consciousness of how to get things done in a multifaceted way which is phenomenal. Especially when you think of how little that happens today. This there's no real conversation conversation of what can we do in. Put it together as a blanket not necessarily a blanket but at least overhaul of a whole system and that's what she did which all on her own which is phenomenal especially with all of the pushback. Insane okay you go. You aren't seeing the bigger picture. You're just angry because I'm making a difference. It could be taken away from you whether it's money or your fame or your credibility but this is what it has to be done. That's phenomenal whole different. Level of thoughtfulness and a whole different level of understanding the need for sustainability the need for growth and the need continue beyond and I think that to the interesting point about what she she said of her being having this kind of multifaceted way in which she worked is that her vision was also very singular and focused and a hand like she was like. I have a goal I know how I can get the thing done. And we're GonNa get it done and we're going to get it done together. And just the the way in which she empowered Howard so many people not in not from a position of like I have the things and I have the knowledge and have the education. I was fortunate enough to go to you know. US to study the you know under this scholarship that was funded by the government or anything like that. It was just kind of like. I'm not giving these people these things these opportunities -tunities because I'm able to do that because she hasn't. She is using her position of power. Obviously but it was in such a way that was community led you know it was in such a way that was about the way that people work together and just it being so inspiring the fact that he realized how important it was to incorporate all these other things when it came to the leadership development and stuff like that where. This wasn't just about a person here. They're getting this many Kenyan. Since to grow a tree right it was about growing trees and creating a better environment and creating a better world and within Kim Matt creating better communities that were able to thrive and not just survive. And that were connected in that. Were you know Future Focus but also present focus in a way they were like. This is my community that I have now and I'm working together with them to really in Zimbabwe where my hands are on the soil and I'm really contributing to the future of my community but also I'm thinking about our children that are here right now. What kind of food eating them? What do our traditional diets look like but also their future like what will the land looks like to them able to respect their land? Children are learning to respect the land at the same time. It's I just think everything that she was doing was so important but I'm just so struck by how many different things but still how tight like right her vision and that's yeah very cohesive. Yeah that's an amazing balancing act to pull off of. Yeah we need to think about the future generations but we also have to think the president like to be able to do both. I mean. That's amazing yeah I also really find find so many of these women. He brings his ease. I find it so impressive that we know as women I at least I can speak for my own. I always have doubts. I have all these doubts and a lot of times it keeps me from even putting myself Ford things. And that's we know that's why a lot of women don't run for office office and it's not to say that the women you brought to as don't have doubts but they just like somebody needs to do this. I can do it right. I'm going to step. Uh well I mean you and I have talked about the time that we get criticisms in that kind of sometimes just me down. I can't imagine the level of lies and criticisms that were thrown at her purposely by the most powerful man in in that nation at that point I mean I could not I don't know I don't know how would fathom even fill under pressure but to continue tenue fourth and still keep fighting still keep fighting still being told you know you are whatever damaging by those who have the loudest voices but knowing that she could make a difference in and what she's doing this for like right is amazing. It's to look back on it now. You're like oh wow that's encouraging but to be in the middle of that I don't know in like Oh the fear of of failing already they're being told you're ruining something or you're being disasters to something what a way to to have to fight against that. How do you do that and I wash able to do that? And she did though finally got what she deserved all the accolades as she did earned but man that road to get there right. It's got to be a long long very loud. Yeah it's impressive and inspiring in a good way to start the year. Yeah I is there anything else you you've I don't think so. I would a highly recommend the interview on on being. It's very beautiful. Yeah and anything where she speaking uh-huh highly recommend if you're looking for some some inspiration like a new found appreciation of tree. Oh my gosh right We are also in a city of trees so we are a big if speaking of things being topical That is a topic of conversation in Atlanta where we are right right now. which is that? We've historically been called the city of like the city and the forest and we are known for having a ton of trees which we're not the biggest metropolis like in the United States. Definitely not in the world but for being a city of our size and stature. 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